judge engoron officialy enters the judgement against TFG

[moonshinegnomie]

$454,156,783.05

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[chowder66]

1. Gofundme must be excited!

[TheRickles]

7. Latest GoFundMe update: $1.1M down, so only $454M to go. Woot, woot!

[chowder66]

8. That's $31.9k for Gofundme!

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[spooky3]

44. they charge 30%?

[chowder66]

47. lol. My mistake. $31.9k

[spooky3]

49. it's still a lot!

[chowder66]

51. It is especially when you think of what it could be which is

probably why GoFundMe is like... yeah go ahead. Keep donating.

[Maraya1969]

70. Yea, I have been able to take that button and move it back to the left. They are taking in a windfall

[usaf-vet]

27. GoFundMe is shooting themselves in the pocket book. It (was) a great program to help those in need. That does.....

..... not include a con man who will try and run off with what he gets WITHOUT even paying his fine.

My wife and I have donated to lots of GoFundMe (GFM) campaigns. But if they let this campaign continue so they get their 2.9% cut, that will be the last GFM campaign I will ever support.

I will search the internet to find the person who needs the money and send my contribution via cashier check directly to them, including GFM's 2.9%.

They (GFM) are assisting an evil grifter to thumb his nose at a legal system that tried him in front of 12 peers, found him guilty, and ordered him to pay the damage.

[Wednesdays]

35. The kicker is, Smellvis won't even get a dime of that Gofundme money.

Those accounts are set up by grifters, and none of them are named Donald Trump.

[COL Mustard]

36. A grifter getting grifted

Ironic, innit?

[erodriguez]

64. GoFundMe is ghoulish

It profits on the suffering of others.

[spooky3]

71. Yes, but some deserving people are helped. In a neighborhood a few

Miles away, a nutcase destroyed half a duplex. Neighbors quickly raised enough $ on GoFundMe to help the family with what they had lost.

[Canoe52]

38. It took a week to raise the first Million

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At that rate only 454 weeks to go!
hold on, doing the hard math…
That’s 8 years, 8 months + 3 weeks to go!

[ProudMNDemocrat]

55. Most likely the donations will drop by the week after that.

Though I could be wrong.

But let's pray that I am correct!

[4lbs]

74. Gotta remember, there's compounding interest too.

So, that $454 will balloon to around $600 million by that time.

The theme song from "The NeverEnding Story" comes to mind.

[Oopsie Daisy]

42. Fools!

[MyOwnPeace]

72. Yeah - SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!

Already knowing what we do know, HOW STUPID ARE THESE PEOPLE that keep giving money to a guy who wouldn't even give them the time of day without asking for a donation........

[Playingmantis]

52. I am going to start a GO FUND me campaign on behalf of Trump then..

steal all the suckers money!
(well not really but I would like to..)

[dweller]

2. I bet he doesn't

have the nickel


✌🏻

[The Magistrate]

3. Love That Nickel, Sir....

[Irish_Dem]

17. I know, that cracked me up....

Trump better pay that nickel too.

[bluesbassman]

39. A nickel, a dime, pretty soon we're talking real money here!

I can't wait until they start seizing property.

[The Magistrate]

41. Money, Man? You Talkin' Wine

I got a nickel, you got a dime, let's get together and get a little wine...

[Hekate]

53. Made me laugh

[orleans]

68. that's a catchy tune -- never heard this one before (and i've heard a lot of songs; used to buy

way too many that were famous and others that were obscure. )

[riversedge]

4. millions plus a nickel. what a hoot!

[Ohio Joe]

5. So The 30 day clock starts

March 25th will be interesting

[Beachnutt]

10. On March 25th if he has not paid in full by then

with interest which is compounded daily (I think) how much will he owe ?
UPDATE* $87000.00 Per day in interest.
And on the 26th of March will he be locked out of his properties if it is not paid in full or bond paid ?

[Ohio Joe]

14. I'm not certain

I’ve seen several different interest numbers but they all are around 100k a day. If the money is not put up, there is no appeal and AG James can begin the process of seizure… And I have no idea what that is but I bet it’s a bit more complicated than just saying this or that property is being sold.

[mopinko]

15. it's a whole other court case.

[Irish_Dem]

18. Yes Meidas Touch podcast said it is compounded interest.

The MT attorneys said if the amount is not paid, Letitia James has to go to court and get a document
(sorry I don't remember the names of the paperwork) but it is a court order.

She hands that to the sheriff who seizes various Trump properties, changes the locks.

And then the sheriff sells them at sheriff auction.

[moniss]

21. I posted below how it was done in Wisconsin

years ago. Basically after an official judgement is entered a new part of the legal process begins where you serve the defendant official legal demand for payment. We called it "perfecting judgement" but NY might call it something else. So you get the document and demand payment. They have that 30 day window. If they have not either paid or put up the money for an appeal when the 30 days runs out you then go back to the court and the court will demand financials and an appearance. If they don't comply then the typical move is to issue an order to show cause for civil contempt and schedule a hearing on that order. If they still do not comply then the judge can issue an arrest warrant and could also order immediate seizure of known assets. After seizure there would of course be all kinds of hearing with parties holding mortgages etc. But long story short is you take the form from the court and serve it on the defendant demanding judgement. If they fail to comply within the allowed time then you go back to the court to start the seizure process.

NY may be different and big cases may be different than small ones.

[Irish_Dem]

29. Oh yes I forgot that part.

Trump has to hand over all his financial information.
All of it.

Yes New York State is a bit different, but along the same lines as you discuss with different names.

The take away is that Letitia James can hand over a document to the sheriff who changes the locks and holds
an auction to sell the properties.

So Trump will pay one way or the other.

[moniss]

30. Yes and the important thing

to remember also is that once he goes over the 30 days and defaults they will still have a legal process of notice and response and then court order for seizure. That can be sped up by the judge but it does add days to the original 30. The court appointed monitor is going to have to make sure that properties are not "stripped" of expensive art work, furnishings etc. during this whole time.

[Irish_Dem]

31. They are going to have to watch the Trumps like a hawk.

The Trumps would gut and strip the buildings.

[bluesbassman]

40. Hope somebody gets video of Heckle and Jeckle in coveralls ripping the golden toilets out of the floor.

Be the first hard labor any of them ever did.

[SergeStorms]

61. They'd stoop...

to tearing all of the copper pipe (or hire someone to do it, then not pay them) from behind the walls. Of that I'm quite certain.

[Irish_Dem]

62. I think so too.

They are petty, revengeful, very hostile, immature.

They will pull all kinds of stunts, they think it makes them look clever and strong.
When in fact it makes them look stupid and weak.

Narcissists are not able to understand how others see them.
They think they are special, brilliant and can do no wrong.

[SergeStorms]

66. They're dumb too.

Ignorance seems to run very strong in the narcissist's DNA.

[Irish_Dem]

67. They are a mixed bag in terms of intelligence.

The Trump family is cunning and street smart. They've been successful white-collar criminals. And they've been able to con quite a few people into thinking they're actually brilliant and wealthy.

Trump was able to parlay all of this into occupying the most powerful position in the world.
So he is not a stupid man.

However he is not an educated man. It seems quite unlikely that he actually took many of his college classes and obviously had other people sitting in for his exams. He has no knowledge of how the world operates outside of his small con artist bubble.

And he does not have much intelligence outside of his narrow con artist skill set.

Additionally even a clever narcissist has fatal flaws in terms of their intellectual functioning. They actually believe that they are special brilliant beautiful etc. and they just cannot stand it when other people disagree with them. So they get into petty ridiculous feuds that sometimes can turn out to be quite dangerous.

[True Blue American]

54. The interest

Is $87,,000 a day! Chicken feed to the so called billionaire. We know he just started the Go Fund for kicks. And selling his golden sneakers fot $4 hundred dollars.

[Think. Again.]

6. tick, tick, tick, tick.....

[Aristus]

9. Man, that's a huge chunk of change.

Off-topic, but money-adjacent: I was never able to understand the allure of the hyper-macho, dudebro, competitive more, more, more world of stockbrokering and finance.

If I had $400,000,000, I would put it in solid investments, live off the interest, and travel the world, care-free. I'd never go to an office, never look to see how "the numbers" are doing, never listen to stock sales pitches from boiler-room sleazebags, none of it.

But as long as there are lamebrains in the world for whom no amount of money is enough, this shit is going to keep going on.

[Irish_Dem]

19. For the money addicted, no amount is ever enough.

They always need more money, more than they can spend in a lifetime.

There is no amount of money that will fill the holes in their soul.

And they will do anything to get more money.

It is a true addiction.

[TheRickles]

48. Only too much is ever enough.

[Irish_Dem]

56. But there is never too much money in their minds.

I read about an interesting research study some years back, the subjects were wealthy people. The researcher interviewed people who were quite wealthy, well over tens of millions of dollars. She was trying to get an understanding of the psychology of wealthy people, how they felt about their money and also was ranking their happiness levels.

She was really surprised what she heard from the. These are people with multiple homes, servants, yachts airplanes, designer clothes, jewels, etc.

All of them indicated that if only they had more money, they would finally be happy. And even when she interviewed wealthier and wealthier people, they all said the same thing. If only they had more money, they could finally relax and be happy.

These are people who have more money than they'll ever spend in a lifetime and live in the lap of luxury. And even when she interviewed the absolutely richest guy in the study he said the same thing.

So we can see what drives them. And why they will rob, cheat and lie to get what they want. They are chasing an elusive dream.

[liberalmuse]

11. That 3 cent check he cashed decades ago...

Could’ve almost wiped out that nickel.

[riversedge]

12. ‼️Trumps deadline to pay New York $454million plus interest is 24th March On 25th March his 1st criminal trial starts l

‼️Trumps deadline to pay New York $454million plus interest is 24th March
On 25th March his 1st criminal trial starts lol 50 odd felonies for falsifying pre election documents in relation to Stormy Daniels …he’s gonna have a bad week 😂😂😂😂

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[Sneederbunk]

13. It's official: Trump is an adjudicated fraudster. Something for his resume.

[llmart]

16. I'm loving this.

He's going to have to start checking the couch cushions for nickels and dimes!

How long before he files for bankruptcy like his buddy in crime, Ghouliani?

[moniss]

20. Maybe a legal beagle here could expand on the basics

of collecting on a judgement in NY. I tried to collect on a tardy judgement years ago in my state and what you had to do was a process called "perfecting a judgement". You being the person trying to collect had to file a form with the clerk's office referencing the case and requesting a court date to determine assets. Then as I remember the court would order the defendant to provide financial statements disclosing assets, net values after liabilities, liens etc. Then if the defendant provides the info for the hearing the judge will make a decision for how to proceed and what to authorize for seizure etc.

If the defendant tries to play deadbeat, as we know this one does, and not comply with court orders to provide info and/or appear then the judge can issue an order to show cause for finding the defendant in contempt. If the defendant still doesn't show up to the hearing then the judge can find them in contempt by default and issue an arrest warrant.

Now the case I was chasing was rather small. I don't know if the rules are different for really big cases. I would imagine that if he tried to just not comply with a matter this large and with assets with lots of entanglements I can imagine that a judge, given the size of the judgement and past conduct, would just cut to the heart of the matter and issue seizure/forfeiture orders for everything known and give them immediate effect. Sorting it all out could come later down the road but the immediate seizure would at least be the protective once non-compliance was apparent.

[leftieNanner]

22. Interesting

Keep in mind that the court placed a financial monitor in the Trump company. She already knows where the money is. And Donnie can't hide it.

[moniss]

24. Yes indeed and

that might speed the process. She would also be within her fiduciary responsibility to tighten up any activity of those companies even further knowing that there is now a legal judgement entered for huge bucks. I would not be surprised if the scenario for seizure has already had a few "rehearsal" sessions so that if they need to they can move as swiftly as possible.

[druidity33]

46. You are an individual...

trying to collect your judgement. Trump is facing The State of New York. They'll take whatever they want. And they won't wait for an appeal.

[moniss]

50. I think you miss the point of the discussion.

There is always a legal process that follows on from a judgement and a default if not paid/appealed in the time frame allowed. It is the steps in that process that I'm talking about. Not the ultimate outcome. Individual or State government their are steps in the legal process after initial judgement and before seizure. That's what I'm talking about and seeing if a legal beagle here might know the exact steps. Why might someone want to know? So that when a particular legal step is taken down the road one wouldn't have to go "Gee I didn't know they had to take that step." So maybe asking and knowing ahead of time might be a better step than thinking that something just happens in a manner it doesn't. Furthermore if he does file an appeal they are not allowed to move against his assets until that whole process is decided and even then there are still more legal papers to file in order to seize assets.

[druidity33]

63. What i'm saying, which I think you miss the point of...

is that the process is different for recovery from an individual by an individual than it is recovery by the State from an individual. Especially when the laws broken were against the State. My understanding is that Engoron filed the judgement yesterday for $400+ million dollars... to be fined $100k+ a day if unpaid. Trump can appeal, but he still has to pay up now or continue to accrue fines. DA James is already talking seizure of property.

[moniss]

65. I'm not missing it at all

and I did reference in my original comment that the process may be different in some ways. But to give the idea that just because the state obtains a judgement it means that the AG can just hop in the squad car and go put a chain on the door with a for sale sign hanging on it is not how it goes either. Once again I will repeat it for clarification. I am talking about after the time period has gone into default what the specific legal forms, legal filings, times for response to those filings etc. are. I don't care who thinks it makes no difference. It is simply information that I was seeking.

If you think not having the correct information doesn't matter then you need look no further than the judgement for E Jean Carroll. Talking heads and others were all over the place claiming he had to pay or bond within 15 days. Well we are now well past the 15 days but none of the "experts" are talking about the next steps. Was it really 15 days or was that just misinformation? A good question to ask in light of the fact that the "experts" have also been all over the map and giving conflicting info about the financial amount to be put up if filing an appeal.

I wanted specific info so that I could more quickly use that in reference and research. As I said I don't care what someone else is satisfied with. I wanted specifics not generalities like "they can take what they want". Summations like that are useless to someone doing research on details.

[Grins]

23. ....and five-cents!

Down to the penny.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

25. NY wants every nickel of these particular ill-gotten gains from traitortrump.

[jmowreader]

26. I see a small problem here

It's nothing the court system can't solve, but it's an issue.

Donald Trump doesn't have enough real estate in the State of New York to pay off the whole judgment when it's auctioned. How difficult is it to execute a seizure of property outside the state?

[dchill]

28. Seems like a lot of money...

...when you write it out like that!

[rurallib]

32. Stinky Don needs some help here. How much is that in rubles?

down to the last nickel?

Someone with initials VVP needs to know

[rubbersole]

33. Vlad is going to let the answering machine pick up from now on.

[calimary]

34. STILL not enough.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

37. Judgment in Trump civil fraud case officially entered at $464 million

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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/judgment-trump-civil-fraud-case-officially-entered-464-million-rcna140256

A clerk in New York has officially entered a more than $464 million fraud judgment against former President Donald Trump and top executives at his company — an amount that will grow by over $111,000 a day until it's paid.

The action starts the clock on the amount of time Trump has to file an appeal and to post a bond for the award. If he does not do so, the New York attorney general's office will be able to begin collection proceedings against Trump and his co-defendants in the civil fraud case.

The vast majority of the $464,576,230.62 judgment — $454,156,783.05 of it, to be exact — is against Trump and his companies. The rest of the judgment is against his sons Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump, who've been running the Trump Organization since 2017, and former top executives Allen Weisselberg and Jeff McConney......

The bond will likely be very costly. While courts have discretion in setting exactly how much is required for a bond, New York courts typically require up to 120% of the judgment, including all pre-judgment interest. That means he could have to post a bond for well over $500 million.

[Kennah]

43. Building Repo: NYC Edition, coming to MTV

[SouthernDem4ever]

45. Probably what his trial cost

[Kablooie]

57. I'll bet he finds some super rich patsy to put up a bond for him.

And whoever it is will have to sue Trump in the future to try and get his money back.

[intheflow]

58. I think there are fewer Mike Lindells out there

now that supporting Trump has bankrupted Mike Lindell. The Kochs hate him. Maybe Eloon Muskrat, but he’s also having some financial problems at present. That leaves… Putin? Who is also experiencing some financial shit. I think most powerful people with deep pockets viewed Trump as a useful idiot, but when he becomes no longer useful, or worse, a liability, he’s on his own.

[marble falls]

59. I'll be glad to cover the nickle. Least I could short of nothing.

[EYESORE 9001]

60. Hey, Cheeses Christ

Is your mind on your money or your money on your mind?

[Kid Berwyn]

69. Appreciating the Catchphrase of Barry the Baptist.

[calimary]

73. Oooooooooh BABY!!!

Is that the final drop-dead sum? Or does it keep growing as interest adds in, every day he doesn’t pay?

[moonshinegnomie]

75. increases by almost 100k a day

[LetMyPeopleVote]

76. Tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock. 🤣

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