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malaise

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Fri Feb 23, 2024, 07:01 PM Feb 23

Breaking - NRA loses the NY case - LaPierre and NRA guilty of corruption

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Jury finds NRA liable for mismanagement, says Wayne LaPierre violated duties

LaPierre, staring forward with his hands clasped in his lap, sat in the first row of the gallery while the jury read the verdict.

The New York Attorney General's Office sued the NRA and its senior management in 2020, claiming they misappropriated millions of dollars to fund personal benefits -- including private jets, family vacations and luxury goods. The accusations came at the end of a three-year investigation into the NRA, which is registered in New York as a nonprofit charitable corporation.

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Breaking - NRA loses the NY case - LaPierre and NRA guilty of corruption (Original Post) malaise Feb 23 OP
Woo-Hoo! Aristus Feb 23 #1
The NRA used to be for sportsmen, hunters and gun safety. keithbvadu2 Feb 23 #2
And an unregistered storefront for the FSB . . . hatrack Feb 23 #5
In about 1961 or 1962, I took a course provided by the NRA so I could have a hunting license. Ptah Feb 23 #13
And this was pre-high velocity .223 rounds . . . hatrack Feb 23 #16
I remember one particular photo of a 12 ga wound. Ptah Feb 23 #17
Try 1950, .222 Rem. yagotme Feb 24 #53
Same here, but in the late 60s at a Boy Scout summer camp. n/t thenelm1 Feb 23 #27
And they even... GiqueCee Feb 24 #44
member of NRA until keithbvadu2 Feb 24 #50
Cool... 2naSalit Feb 23 #3
Letitia James brings down Trump AND the NRA. Irish_Dem Feb 23 #4
Tish James don't come to play. Botany Feb 24 #61
She has just moved to celebrity status in legal circles. Irish_Dem Feb 24 #62
I read about a year ago she already had either the liens or the network to get the liens on all of TFG's property Botany Feb 24 #63
Yes I am sure she has it all lined up. Irish_Dem Feb 24 #64
I hope E. Jean Carroll gets her bite at the apple before A.G. James gets it all. Botany Feb 24 #65
It is going to be a debt mess some say. Irish_Dem Feb 24 #66
What will the penalties be for a man who cost the NRA 5.4 million? Civil fines? He's already resigned from his position Ford_Prefect Feb 23 #6
Seems ridiculous that it took three years. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 23 #7
News just gets better and better! COL Mustard Feb 23 #8
Yes. The NRA used to be all about hunting... surfered Feb 23 #9
When I got my hunting license in 1970 orangecrush Feb 23 #22
That's good. But their "work" here is done. Their sociopathic mentality has spread through Carlitos Brigante Feb 23 #10
Valid point but consequences do matter malaise Feb 23 #12
Indeed. And I'll be the first one in line, after a ridiculous, movie theater sized water Carlitos Brigante Feb 23 #35
I heard the penalty is 6 million dollars. Wednesdays Feb 23 #11
Vlad has probably already cut the check. LiberalArkie Feb 23 #33
And it gets paid to the NRA whopis01 Feb 24 #46
K&R UTUSN Feb 23 #14
pay up you fucking weasel CatWoman Feb 23 #15
Or skunk, if you will peppertree Feb 23 #18
Aww, don't insult Pepe like that! ShazzieB Feb 23 #34
Aww...... bdamomma Feb 24 #56
Maybe LaPierre will go into the shoe business. 70sEraVet Feb 23 #19
Watch for him . . . AverageOldGuy Feb 23 #32
Why Don't These Crooks Ever Go To Jail OhioTim Feb 23 #20
different punishment bdamomma Feb 24 #57
Entered in the "Least Shocking Verdict Rrendered" contest. twodogsbarking Feb 23 #21
Enough to put them out of business??? TeamProg Feb 23 #23
I've long wondered how long it would it take for this kind of justice. BadGimp Feb 23 #24
Aw gee! Turbineguy Feb 23 #25
The millions they appropriated DENVERPOPS Feb 23 #26
Surprised, NO. republianmushroom Feb 23 #28
Ethics and conservative clearly dont mix Johonny Feb 23 #29
Has the NRA moved to Florida yet? SouthernDem4ever Feb 23 #30
Thank you Attorney General Letitia James for your wonderful service Jarqui Feb 23 #31
I think the Fine is returned to the NRA Elmer1007 Feb 23 #36
Reminded me of this: NRA Funded LaPierre's Search for $6 Million Mansion, Document Shows UpInArms Feb 23 #37
I just get tired of this Old Crank Feb 24 #38
So a major conservative organization turns out to be a gigantic grift? mwb970 Feb 24 #39
he basically admitted it BlueWaveNeverEnd Feb 24 #40
A few salient points ... Straw Man Feb 24 #41
NRA Loses the NY case YD Democrat Feb 24 #42
Welcome to DU malaise Feb 24 #43
They lost - but now they get paid whopis01 Feb 24 #45
That is sad! But True Blue American Feb 24 #48
Welcome to DU LetMyPeopleVote Feb 24 #54
Did they take his gun True Blue American Feb 24 #47
Most excellent! Martin68 Feb 24 #49
So if they went thru the books of the NRA then maybe some other sources of cash from Putin showed up? flying_wahini Feb 24 #51
Dont fuck with NY ❤️ live love laugh Feb 24 #52
THIS malaise Feb 24 #58
Good bdamomma Feb 24 #55
Recommended. H2O Man Feb 24 #59
Hope you burn in hell, evolves Feb 24 #60

keithbvadu2

(36,721 posts)
2. The NRA used to be for sportsmen, hunters and gun safety.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 07:05 PM
Feb 23

The NRA used to be for sportsmen, hunters and gun safety.

Now it has become an industry owned shill for the sale of more guns and the enrichment of its leaders.

Ptah

(33,023 posts)
13. In about 1961 or 1962, I took a course provided by the NRA so I could have a hunting license.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 07:48 PM
Feb 23
What I remember from that course (a couple of hours, I think) are the color slides a local doctor showed of gunshot wounds.
Safety first.

hatrack

(59,583 posts)
16. And this was pre-high velocity .223 rounds . . .
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 07:59 PM
Feb 23

Just imagine what a comparable presentation today would look like.

yagotme

(2,919 posts)
53. Try 1950, .222 Rem.
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 01:02 PM
Feb 24
The .222 Remington was a popular target cartridge from its introduction until the mid-1970s and still enjoys a reputation for accuracy. It remains a popular vermin or "varmint" cartridge at short and medium ranges with preferred bullet weights of 40–55 grains and muzzle velocities from 3,000 to 3,500 ft/
s

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.222_Remington

Light bullets in the .30-06 can reach 3,000 fps, so the 5.56 isn't really that much of a newcomer to the high velocity stage.

GiqueCee

(619 posts)
44. And they even...
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 09:25 AM
Feb 24

... advocated for responsible firearms regulation, and conducted classes in gun safety. I was a member, until Wayne LaPierre happened.
Turds like him bob to the top of the punch bowl with tedious frequency, but people still act surprised when they see their true colors, even though they were clearly visible from the git go.
Such willful ignorance will be our undoing.

keithbvadu2

(36,721 posts)
50. member of NRA until
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 11:06 AM
Feb 24

NRA dues and solicitations
comment from a blog (DU I think)

I had a coworker who was a big time gun owner who kept a gun in every room in the house just in case someone broke in (lots of problems with that idea, may be worth a blog article someday, but that’s what he did). He even went so far as to start buying more guns for each room after a school shooting, like home invasion and mass shooting are correlated somehow. He had let his NRA membership lapse and refused to renew it because he got tired of nonstop requests for donations. To him all the membership did was give the NRA to badger him for more money with phone calls, and direct mailings. If the
organization is as strapped for cash as it appears, those solicitations may have gone way over the top and people are simply tired of being badgered for money and are choosing to let their membership to lapse.

Botany

(70,476 posts)
63. I read about a year ago she already had either the liens or the network to get the liens on all of TFG's property
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 08:05 PM
Feb 24

…. in N.Y. State when she had to do so. Tish James has all the receipts and I wouldn’t be
surprised if she has got some big names including Ivanka to flip on the Trump organization.

Her thing was to shut down any business in N.Y. State that is part of the Trump scam network.

Irish_Dem

(46,767 posts)
64. Yes I am sure she has it all lined up.
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 08:14 PM
Feb 24

And she knows to the penny what the properties are really worth and which ones
she is going to go after.

Oh I am sure she has done her work, and has some stellar witnesses.

Ms. James is a force of nature.

Botany

(70,476 posts)
65. I hope E. Jean Carroll gets her bite at the apple before A.G. James gets it all.
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 08:39 PM
Feb 24

Trump’s act as being a super rich guy is just that an act but I do think he and his clan grifted
big time when he was occupying the White House. Although I remember when wife #1
Ivana divorced him Trump couldn’t come up with 3 or 4 million dollars to pay her and that
was a long time ago and I knew then he was a fraud.

Irish_Dem

(46,767 posts)
66. It is going to be a debt mess some say.
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 08:57 PM
Feb 24

Trump's building are said to be mortgaged. The lenders will want their money back I would think.

Yes I hope E. Jean Carroll is at the head of the line.

I agree, from the moment Trump walked into the WH, he was grifting big time.
He as so busy doing that he couldn't be bothered with presidential duties or briefings.

The problem is that Trump has always robbed Peter to pay Paul in his business, and he runs through
money like water. So no matter how much he got, he would end up cash poor I think.

That said, the Saudi's gave Jared $2B, so I wonder how much Trump got from the Saudis and Chinese.
Not to mention from Putin. Trump could have some big cash hidden somewhere after 4 years in the WH.

Ford_Prefect

(7,875 posts)
6. What will the penalties be for a man who cost the NRA 5.4 million? Civil fines? He's already resigned from his position
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 07:25 PM
Feb 23

surfered

(485 posts)
9. Yes. The NRA used to be all about hunting...
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 07:32 PM
Feb 23

….but the market for shot guns and deer rifles was limited, so the manufacturers switched to hand guns and assault rifles which could be sold to everyone for personal safety, which could be better marketed by a campaign of fear.

Carlitos Brigante

(26,500 posts)
10. That's good. But their "work" here is done. Their sociopathic mentality has spread through
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 07:34 PM
Feb 23

Last edited Fri Feb 23, 2024, 09:51 PM - Edit history (1)

the country like a virus all the way to the supreme court.Still, I'll take a W where I can find one. Fuck every single one of them and those who kept their memberships beyond 1978.

Carlitos Brigante

(26,500 posts)
35. Indeed. And I'll be the first one in line, after a ridiculous, movie theater sized water
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 09:53 PM
Feb 23

thingy, to piss on their grave if they ever cease to exist as an organization. 🤘🏽😈

whopis01

(3,498 posts)
46. And it gets paid to the NRA
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 09:48 AM
Feb 24

Wayne Lapierre may have to pay back the money - but he has to pay it back to the NRA.

AverageOldGuy

(1,521 posts)
32. Watch for him . . .
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 09:11 PM
Feb 23

. . . to have his own Fox show.

Or maybe Trump's Secretary of Homeland Security.

He will not require food stamps.

OhioTim

(257 posts)
20. Why Don't These Crooks Ever Go To Jail
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:22 PM
Feb 23

it's always a fine. But steal some food, and you're in the slammer.

bdamomma

(63,810 posts)
57. different punishment
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 02:15 PM
Feb 24

laws for us and them. That needs to end. Now should be their time to pay the consequences.

White Collar Criminals need to pay in more ways than one.

BadGimp

(4,012 posts)
24. I've long wondered how long it would it take for this kind of justice.
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:47 PM
Feb 23

Wayne and a few others got high off the gas from their elevated political status and went too far too often.

The far-right took over the NRA long ago and infected it and many in its membership base.

They have recently completed the same kind and scope of takeover of the American Christian evangelical movement. We shall soon see how that plays out. No doubt, very much like the effect Trump has had on the GOP.

DENVERPOPS

(8,802 posts)
26. The millions they appropriated
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 08:53 PM
Feb 23

For LaPierre and other high ranking Execs at the NRA, was probably peanuts compared to the money they got from Russian Oligarchs and Putin, and then corruptly laundered, then directed to Trump, and many Republican Senators and Republican Governors..... to get them elected..........

Jarqui

(10,122 posts)
31. Thank you Attorney General Letitia James for your wonderful service
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 09:03 PM
Feb 23

I suspect it has been a more difficult and dangerous period of her life than we will ever know.

I have reviewed a lot of the Trump fraud case.
If it isn't obvious, she did a such a good job, Trump's team couldn't muster enough of a response to justify a trial.

And now this: after decades of the NRA carrying on unscathed, finally, someone has held them to some account.

It's not the gun laws we'd like but not a bad black eye for the ring leader.

Elmer1007

(40 posts)
36. I think the Fine is returned to the NRA
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 09:58 PM
Feb 23

I think that the fine imposed against Wayne LaPierre is paid to the NRA

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
37. Reminded me of this: NRA Funded LaPierre's Search for $6 Million Mansion, Document Shows
Fri Feb 23, 2024, 11:49 PM
Feb 23

Aug 8, 2019

In news reports this week, the National Rifle Association’s outside counsel, William A. Brewer III, has insisted that “not a cent” of the nonprofit’s money was “ultimately spent” on a plan to buy a multimillion-dollar Dallas mansion for top executive Wayne LaPierre.

But a document obtained by ProPublica shows that NRA money was used to help facilitate the purchase of a 10,000-square-foot Texas mansion for LaPierre, setting off alarms within the nonprofit. In response to questions about the transaction, the NRA on Thursday did not provide a comment or say whether the funds were eventually returned.

NRA accountants flagged a $70,000 payment to WBB Investments LLC in a document titled “List of Top Concerns for the Audit Committee.” They asked the audit committee to examine the payment, which they said was not properly documented.

… snip …

This month, ProPublica reported on another document authored by a former senior employee in the NRA’s treasurer’s office. The former employee, who resigned in November, alleged that Brewer tried to impede the accountants’ work. She said that he “intimidated NRA staff and threatened our professional livelihoods,” using coercive tactics such as the compilation of “burn books,” which were filled with sensitive personal information that could be used as leverage against staffers.

More at:

https://www.thetrace.org/2019/08/nra-wayne-lapierre-house/

Old Crank

(3,560 posts)
38. I just get tired of this
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 01:06 AM
Feb 24

Rich white business men get fined and can appeal while minority theft gets decades of jail time. Wayne and his conspirators should be in jail for life. The NRA pad locked for life.
Just another reason that a corporation is not a person.

Straw Man

(6,622 posts)
41. A few salient points ...
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 02:41 AM
Feb 24

1) Jail was never on the table for anyone. This was a civil suit.
2) The fines levied against LaPierre will be paid to the NRA, which he was deemed to have defrauded.

YD Democrat

(11 posts)
42. NRA Loses the NY case
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 04:58 AM
Feb 24

I'm not sure about others, but I am silly happy the verdict is in.
Enforce it. Now. Bwah ha ha ha

flying_wahini

(6,583 posts)
51. So if they went thru the books of the NRA then maybe some other sources of cash from Putin showed up?
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 12:25 PM
Feb 24

Hopefully they did. Watch the RNC folks scatter like cockroaches.

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