What's Really Got Me Worried About The Nov 2024 Election Is.....

[global1]

with all the crazy stuff that the Repugs are doing - backing off on the immigration compromise, not funding Ukraine/Israel, not funding our government, this IVF issue, Roe v Wade abortion issue, rallying around the J6 traitors, supporting Putin and the Russians, circling the wagons around Tr**p, etc, etc, etc

I got to think that they feel that they have all the dominoes in place to cheat and steal this election and topple this democracy in Nov. They seem to have the confidence that - it's in the bag for them.

Why else would they be so open about destroying this country? Are they that sinister, vindictive, crazy, - or just plain oblivious of the consequences?

Every day they do something more outlandish than the last. Every day one of their fellow Repugs go off the deep end to create a new lie a new conspiracy.

It's scaring the hell out of me!!!

Again - that fact that they are doing all this so openly.

Can anyone explain this to me? Can anyone allay my fears that we will lose our country and Tr**p can actually win this election?

[2naSalit]

1. They...

THINK they've got all the bases covered. I get the feeling they are drunk on their successes of late and truly fooling themselves to defeat.

I think things are going to turn out in our favor in big ways this year. I'm kind of glad they are waving their weenies like they already won so far ahead of the election. More opportunity for everyone to recognize why they have to go.

[Mad_Machine76]

21. What successes?

I mean other than obstructing a few important things.

[2naSalit]

25. In their thinking...

If you can call it that, they think they are winning and all the obstructing is where they think thy have been successful for some reason. Only they know why, probably doesn't make sense if it isn't a diabolical plot for some stupid move or another.

I was just sayin'.

[Meadowoak]

2. Too stupid to know they're stupid.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

3. Just remember this about the famous Aesop fable.

It was the Tortoise that won the race.

The Democrats are the Tortoise in this scenario. The Hare(Republicans) got too cocksure for his own good and allowed things to get out of hand and slip by.

It will be a tight race that Joe and the Democrats will prevail.

[magicarpet]

7. The ReThugs always always over play the hand they have been dealt.

Hubris Personified.

[lastlib]

4. The "consequences" are a feature, not a bug......

The reich-wingers WANT the chaos and pain that will follow from their plans. They WANT dictatorial government/corporate rule. They WANT women to be subservient baby-makers, or to die trying; they WANT blacks and other minorities muzzled and fearful. They WANT children to be uneducated, unquestioning cannon-fodder.
Ad infinitum.....

It's why WE MUST WIN in November--vote EVERY repuglikan in, OUT! ("VERIO" )

[Traildogbob]

5. They have zero intention

Of allowing Dems to win. The great and powerful Elise was asked if they would accept a Dem win and she refused to say that would be allowed.
Exhibit one: the ass at CPAC, “welcome to the end of democracy, next time J6 will finish the takeover”.
Trump and his cult will not allow his ass to feel justice. He will be cornered and demand blood this time.
Joe best be prepared to call out ALL the dogs, not just his man eater pets.
And the report about “Moses” plan of denying any Dem electors and giving the house full power to appoint Trump is a Flag Redder than those Trump idiotic hats with font size required for bill board print.
There will be no peaceful victory for democracy.
We need to prepare for it.
Meet the powder dry.
Seem Doomy…..read the room.

[bucolic_frolic]

6. The confusion they create is our biggest obstacle.

It's hard to formulate platform with such energy and noise on the other side. We have a plan to point out our accomplishments. I'm not sure we'll be so good at cancelling their confusion. We're almost worse off if we give them oxygen with a response.

[multigraincracker]

8. I don't think it will last, usually these things have a tendency to

to swing back in and opposite direction. The worse it get the further it will swing in the other directions. I hope when that happens, new rules will prevent it form coming back for another 100 years.

[TwilightZone]

9. We just need to make sure it's not close enough to steal.

The GOP is openly over-the-top because fear is a powerful motivator, and the crazy shit works on a lot of the voting public. The fact that they're so overt about it doesn't indicate that they think it's in the bag. It indicates that they know for certain that it's not, they know that they have a damaged candidate, and they're desperate. They're trying *anything* to get support, regardless of how ridiculous it is.

As for November, Trump is unlikely to have gained support since 2020, so if we get out the vote on at least the same scale as 2020, everything should take care of itself. Turnout is always the key.

[Think. Again.]

29. A couple of hacked districts and the win is theirs.

[FarPoint]

10. tRump will be on the Ballot.....

Joe Biden wins a second term as President....It is not complex....I sense Joe Biden will win by 15 million votes...

No power is in awfulizing and being afraid....manifest the positive outcomes...

[Funtatlaguy]

59. I think Biden wins the popular vote by 10 million and

Will win all the states he won in 2020 plus NC.

[drmeow]

11. Alternatively

they know they are screwed no matter what so they are trying to implement the most extreme measures they can manage with the recognition that overturning a law is sometimes even harder than passing it and they've got the SCOTUS in their pocket.

[jimfields33]

12. Since 2018, they've done horrible in elections.

They will continue to do horrible until they change their ways.

[limbicnuminousity]

13. Of equal concern

is what happens when he loses?

[TwilightZone]

17. Disagree.

I think the consequences are significantly higher if he wins. The consequences if he loses have been overblown significantly, in my opinion. I use January 6th as a basis for this assertion.

January 6th happened because a couple thousand idiots thought that Donald Trump would protect them from consequences. As soon as that proved not to be the case, they scurried off and went into hiding, worried that some 16-year-old using free wi-fi at a Starbucks is going to figure out who they are. They were just a bunch of cowards once that veil was lifted. Attendance at Trump rallies dropped. Attempts by others in Trump's orbit to organize more rallies went nowhere. Even CPAC, that MAGA Disneyland, seems to be struggling to get people to attend.

There is very little evidence, outside of clickbait-y, hyperbolic headlines, that MAGA is capable of staging some large-scale revolution. There may be isolated pockets of violence, but that's already the case now and has been for years.

[limbicnuminousity]

19. You're right of course.

The empty seats at CPAC and Trump's gatherings are a good sign. I worry more about "pockets of chaos" than "large-scale revolution," loosely coordinated militias as opposed to organized conflict (with big question marks next to TX, AL, and GA).

Even the nonsense at CPAC looks like they anticipate a Biden victory and they're preparing people by saying it's time to destroy democracy. The wealthy and the political elite have no interest in spawning a civil war but I suspect they'd be okay with a bit of civil strife to keep people distracted. And some of the MAGA loons seem willing to oblige.

[yellowdogintexas]

66. Down here we are working toward some flips in the Texas Lege

the US House and getting rid of Ted Cruz. He is apparently balancing on the edge due to general dislike by voters.

I have not heard Gutierrez yet, but he is from the border area
Colin Alred is pushing the Dobbs decison heavily.
If Dobbs can outpace the guns and border we may have a shot

Getting rid of MAGA incumbents is a high priority

[BlueKota]

22. I've been trying to calm myself down

and starting to think, if they really intend and believe they have the power to overthrow the constitutional government, why would they wait, and go through an election that they could loose? Why wouldn't they just try to pull something before hand? Maybe they doubt their ability to pull it off, and are just putting on false bravado to scare people out of challenging 🤔 them?

[Kaleva]

14. Catastrophic climate change will take your mind off your troubles.

[TwilightZone]

15. By November? No, it won't.

And most people can be concerned about more than one thing at a time.

[Kaleva]

16. Catastrophic climate change is happening regardless of what happens in Noveber

10s, if not 100s of millions of people will die, nations will fall, there will be mass migrations, those that survive will face severe hardships.

Keep things in perspective.

[TwilightZone]

18. It's not going to distract people from the election coming in November.

If you're ignoring the election because you're distracted by climate change, you're doing it wrong.

[Arthur_Frain]

20. Lemme talk you down.....

Consider Roe vs. Wade. They truly thought that Dobbs would be good for them, ultimately. They still think we are going to come around and support it eventually, although we know how wrong they were/are. This gives us insight into the absolute inflexibility of their psyche. It’s why compromise sticks in their craw so hard, they view anything other than 100% victory as a loss, and (at the root of all of this) they never were taught how to lose gracefully. Or win for that matter, if you consider that it was tfg’s election in 2016 that finally made me understand what the word “butthurt” meant.

But my point is they’ve over reached badly with Dobbs, and the core group in the Conservative Party that was validated with tfg’s election still feel like they matter most of all. They’re too dim to read the room. Every election since Dobbs came down has been a bloodbath for them, and 2024 is going to be no exception. And truthfully, there is a very real path to victory for whoever gets the nomination, but it’s a very narrow way, and I don’t think any of the people in the running have what it takes to pull it off.

The only thing we really have to fear right now is division and backstabbing amongst ourselves.

[Carlitos Brigante]

23. It doesn't have to be that complicated. They are simply trying to fuck the country in as many

ways as possible. So they can swing the election in their favor by going "Oh look at how terrible things are. You gotta vote for us....". And a big chunk of the electorate are just stupid enough to go along. Will it be enough? Sure as fuck hope not. They may not fit the legal or constitutional definition of traitors. But the have betrayed the people they claim to represent and their country.

As to your question about "are they this or that...?". I say they are amoral, power hungry sociopaths. Who have that ol' "If I can't have her no one will..." mentality. They will make your life as unbearable as possible in the hopes Democrats get the blame and the electorate is desperate enough to go with the other one of our binary choices. Misery and oppression are all they have to offer. It's not a great campaign slogan. But if you're able to put enough fear into people. You can get them to do almost anything.

[Tickle]

24. They think open borders

and daily confusion with the migrants will scare people in to voting for them

[Scrivener7]

26. Agree completely.

cheat and steal this election and topple this democracy in Nov. They seem to have the confidence that - it's in the bag for them.

Exactly.

[All Mixed Up]

27. Your concern should be the third party candidates.

It doesn't matter if they don't have a prayer in hell of winning. There's clearly an appetite for third party candidates this go around and that's what sunk Hillary in 2016.

The Republicans aren't going to steal the election but third party candidates can absolutely throw the election to Trump. There are a lot of 2020 Biden voters who aren't convinced of voting for him again. That's not to say they'll vote Trump, or can't be convinced, but many are leaning third party right now.

[Think. Again.]

30. "The Republicans aren't going to steal the election"????

Do you think these are honest people or something???

[All Mixed Up]

31. How are they going to steal the election?

[Think. Again.]

33. by doing something that seats trump despite whatever the actual vote is, silly.

[All Mixed Up]

34. How?

[Scrivener7]

36. How, indeed. Last time they stormed the capitol, recruited a few dozen fake electors and

a bunch of election officials and a chunk of the military. And terrifyingly, the fate of the Democracy was in the hands of Mike Pence.

No one ever saw any of that coming. We better be prepared for anything next time.

[All Mixed Up]

37. And they still came nowhere near stealing the election.

Dooming over the idea that they're stealing the election ignores the real threat and that's voters just staying home or voting third party.

There won't be an election to "steal" if Biden loses Michigan, Arizona and Georgia - three states where he's down in the polls and were pretty narrow in 2020.

All he has to do is lose three-points off his total in Michigan to third-party candidates and Trump wins the state narrowly without ever expanding his voting base from 2020. In Georgia, it's much more narrow. If Biden just loses one-point of his support to third party candidates, Trump could win the state without, again, expanding his voting base from 2020.

Those voters should be the focus - not getting worked up over the Republican stealing the election at certification.

[Scrivener7]

38. If Mike Pence had gone along with it, they would not have relinquished power.

That's way too close. And they're going to try some shit this time.

Yes. We need to get out the vote, and we need to work swing states. But that is not what we are talking about in this thread.

[All Mixed Up]

39. Well Mike Pence won't be overseeing the certification. Harris will be.

And even if Mike Pence went along with it, it's still not certain the election would have gone to Trump. It likely would have resulted in a court ruling and only delayed the certification.

But that's irrelevant since Harris will be overseeing the certification and certainly won't accept fake electors (hence my asking how they'll still it).

And I know that's not what you're talking about in this thread. That's my point. It's stupid to be worrying about the election being stolen when the real threat is, as I've outlined, third party candidates.

The OP, and you guys fixating on election theft is refusing to see the forest through the trees.

[Scrivener7]

41. What you are saying is that you don't want to discuss what this thread is about.

So don't.

Move along.

[Think. Again.]

42. They have proven themselves to be willing to steal an election...

...we would be very dumb to ignore that and just pretend they won't try again.

[All Mixed Up]

46. What's dumb is ignoring the actual red flags.

There won't be an election for them to attempt to steal if Biden actually loses in November. But go off.

[Scrivener7]

48. You'll find the subjects of DU threads are varied. Sometimes people will talk about things

that don't interest you. That doesn't mean they're ignoring other things. And your lack of interest doesn't mean others shouldn't talk about a given subject.

[All Mixed Up]

49. Doesn't make it any less dumb.

[Scrivener7]

51. Your opinion about the value of given subjects is not the determining factor in whether those

subjects are discussed here.

Again, if you aren't interested, move along.

[All Mixed Up]

53. If my opinion means so little for you, why don't you heed your own advice and move along?

No one is forcing you to read my posts. But then, how else can you continue to work to demotivate Democrats by focusing on the election being stolen if you're not chiming in to remind us the Republicans are going to do it?

[Scrivener7]

56. If you find the subject of this thread so odious, move along.

[Think. Again.]

50. In this thread, I have said nothing about the actual vote...

...please don't pretend I have.

[All Mixed Up]

54. Yeah that's the problem.

Your focus has been on Republicans stealing the election. Way to demotivate voters. That's sure to get people to the polls! Even if you vote - Republicans are still going to steal it!

What a campaign message.

[Think. Again.]

58. Yes, the focus of this one thought I have been expressing is that republicans WILL try to steal it

...to bring a different thought into the discussion, I feel that the stronger the turn out for Biden, the better chance we may have at overcoming whatever they try.

[All Mixed Up]

61. But it's in a post where the OP is flat-out saying they think Republicans will steal it.

Not just try:

I got to think that they feel that they have all the dominoes in place to cheat and steal this election and topple this democracy in Nov. They seem to have the confidence that - it's in the bag for them.

THAT is not a good message to be sending to voters.

It's not, "we need to be vigilant because Republicans will try some underhanded things..."

It's basically saying, "I think they're gonna steal it and I'm terrified."

I know if I was a fairly apathetic voter and I started convincing myself they'd steal it, I might not feel motivated to go out and vote. If it's inevitable and they have it in the bag through dirty tricks, what's the point?

I don't think the risk here is that the Republicans will steal the election. I don't think they will. That doesn't mean they won't try but they won't be successful. We need to understand the risk is the demotivation of voters. Biden does have an enthusiasm issue and it's why he polls worse when third party candidates are included in polls. I don't think discussing how the Republicans are going to steal the election is going to be a motivator.

That's all.

[Think. Again.]

64. I think we can handle both...

...building enthusiasm and preparing to counter whatever attack they make.

Being open about the fact that they will try something will make it that much easier to fight it off when they do.

What we don't need is people to believe whatever B.S. they do pull, just like how so many still believe trump won last time.

[Think. Again.]

40. Are you asking to devise a plan?...

...I'm a lefty, I don't think in a way that could devise a successful plan undemocratically take over a democracy.

[Scrivener7]

43. Right?

[All Mixed Up]

44. So you've got nothing. Okay.

Good chat. But they're for sure going to steal the election. Don't ask me how, tho. I can't tell you but it's for sure going to happen.

Sounds a lot like Trump the last four years.

[Think. Again.]

47. Correct, I have no idea how to steal an election...

...I would never have thought of hanging the Vice President to change the electors.

[All Mixed Up]

52. If you're trying to convince people that this election has a good chance of being stolen...

...you owe an explanation of how you think it'll be stolen. If you don't, all you're doing is dooming and trying to demotivate people from voting.

Who wants to vote in November if the election is likely to be stolen as the OP hints at? Do you not see how dangerous that mentality can be to the fickle voters who Democrats need to win in November?

Like I said before: there won't be an election to steal if Biden loses. And November is going to be all about turnout. What a winning message! Even if Biden wins, they're gonna steal it anyway!

[Think. Again.]

57. I understand what you're saying...

...and my position is that the stronger the turnout for Biden, the better chance we have of overcoming whatever it is they will try.

But I think it's very dangerous to ignore that fact that they will try.

[All Mixed Up]

60. I don't disagree that they won't try...

But 2024 is much different than 2020.

For starters, fake electors in Michigan are likely to see jail time, which certainly will act as a deterrent (hopefully) in future elections.

Secondly, the Republicans won't be overseeing the certification like in 2020. It'll be Vice President Harris. Even if the Republicans object to the electors, which they will do (and Democrats have done previously, including 2016), the only way that an elector can be tossed is if both the House and Senate vote to do so - and that's on top of having a senator sign the affidavit or whatever questioning the electors. Republicans won't have the votes, especially in the Senate (especially if the Democrats keep the majority) to do so.

My whole point is that there's way more to worry about at this point than Republicans dirty tricks. Their dirty tricks are more tied to supporting third party candidates and boosting them. That scares me way more than Republicans plotting to steal the election in January.

[Think. Again.]

62. I'm scared for both reasons.

[All Mixed Up]

63. I'll be real: I think there's a far better chance Biden doesn't even get to that point where the GOP can steal it...

...than Biden winning and the GOP figuring out a way to steal it.

I think right now, it's a 50/50 chance Biden wins in November. Maybe 55-45 chance Biden wins. But it's not a slam dunk - or near the slam dunk it should be with a guy like Trump.

[Think. Again.]

65. it's a scary time for sure.

[TexasDem69]

28. The republicans accused Biden

Of stealing the election in 2020. And after 3 years there’s zero evidence to support that claim. Why are we accusing republicans of stealing an election that hasn’t even happened?

[Think. Again.]

45. Because they actually did try to...

...in front of everyone's face on Jan 6th?

[Think. Again.]

32. It could be one of two things...

...they really don't have anything to lose by hoping false bravado will win over votes.

Or..

They already have some kind of cheating mechanism or plan in place (or plan to insurrect again) and they are feeling confident.

[Bobstandard]

55. I completely agree with OP and I'm scared

Here’s just one example of why:

Trump says he would encourage Russia to ‘do whatever the hell they want’ to any NATO country that doesn’t pay enough.

That statement is outrageous, ridiculous, and dangerous on its own. But what’s really scary is that there has been no condemnation from Republicans. It’s pretty easy to conclude three things. 1) They don’t think anything they say or do will come back to haunt them. In fact, they think the contrary. They’re probably getting fitted for SS style uniforms already. 2) It appears that at this point they’re positioning for powerful positions in the new American Reich. 3) Can you imagine how things will go to hell here in America if Putin invades a NATO country, we don’t fulfill our obligations, and Europe is thrown into chaos? Do these numbskull think we’re disconnected from Europe? That some kind of isolationism will work?

Another example: multiple Republicans are saying we should ‘bomb Mexico’, ‘go into Mexico to go after the cartels’. Can you imagine how fucked up life would become here if we went to war with Mexico? Yeah, a war on our border. That’s just what we need.

[Runningdawg]

67. For me its a case of winning the battle and losing the war. We might retain the office but by the time the dust settles

you aren't going to recognize your own country. Like many of his cult, he's broke and dying. They have nothing to lose and plan to go out in blaze of godly vengeance.