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According to psychologist Dr. John Gartner, formerly of Johns Hopkins University Medical School, Donald Trump's slurring and inability to sometimes formulate complete sentences appears to be a sign of growing dementia and possibly early stages of Alzheimers.
In an interview with Salon's Chauncey DeVega, Gartner bluntly stated the former president is "showing gross signs of dementia" and fellow experts are not pointing out the warning signs nearly enough.
According to Gartner, "Some examples of Trumps non-words: Beneficiaries becomes 'benefishes.' Renovations become 'renoversh.' Pivotal became 'pivobal.' Obama became 'obamna.' Missiles became 'mishiz.' Christmas became 'Crissus.' Bipartisan became 'bipars.' This is a fundamental breakdown in the ability to use language. If you were talking to your father on the phone and he did this you would think he is having a stroke. There is no healthy older person who speaks that way."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/trump-appears-to-be-showing-gross-signs-of-dementia-expert-points-to-new-evidence/ar-BB1iOWQW
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MiHale
(10,253 posts)Hugin
(33,735 posts)Weekend at Bernies option is the current favorite among the GrOPper elites.
lastlib
(23,816 posts)Please, Dog, if he's not going to go to prison, let dementia take him soon!
malaise
(272,391 posts)Rec😀
Shipwack
(2,264 posts)Dementia doesn't bother the person who has it; they think they are doing fine.
It's those around the victim that suffer.
thomski64
(517 posts)..probably just the tertiary syphilis he reportedly has..
central scrutinizer
(11,793 posts)Prop up the dead hero with a wooden frame, tie him on his horse and send him out to lead the troops into battle
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Hugin
(33,735 posts)El Cid was backed by many courageous fighters and those who would prop up Trump as king are barricaded behind hubristic rhetoric and the 101st Chairborne.
paleotn
(18,488 posts)PatSeg
(49,305 posts)Because they really don't care. They want him on the throne regardless of his physical and mental condition. He has become a symbol to them.
paleotn
(18,488 posts)That's why Trump's most unchristian life, before and now, is irrelevant. They couldn't care less what he does as long as they come out on top in the end. In short, he's a vehicle. Nothing more.
CrispyQ
(37,109 posts)It would be a nice twist if their stupid rapture would happen & suck them all off planet Earth, & their stinky, orange god, too.
I just commented something to that effect. Yeah, little do they know that many non-believers want them sucked off the planet as well. We'll help them pack!
OMGWTF
(4,197 posts)ShazzieB
(17,277 posts)As it happens, I do not believe in literal interpretations of biblical prophecy, including that one. But TSF sure would fill the bill.
PatSeg
(49,305 posts)could look at him as the Anti-Christ. They REALLY want the Rapture to come and aren't patient enough to let it unfold according to their god's will.
DENVERPOPS
(9,312 posts)Segments of the Religious Right are just waiting to be swept up to Heaven, with the rest left to hell on earth and being burnt as heathens
PatSeg
(49,305 posts)will be happy to see them leave!
DENVERPOPS
(9,312 posts)"I look at most organized religions as mental disease"
May he RIP......along with Molly Ivins.....
PatSeg
(49,305 posts)DENVERPOPS
(9,312 posts)Religion is the opium for the masses.....
LymphocyteLover
(6,000 posts)BlueMTexpat
(15,425 posts)film!
The idea of tsf - not so much!
Chili Pepper
(108 posts)![](/emoticons/facepalm.gif)
DBoon
(22,647 posts)and generally got away with it.
pazzyanne
(6,566 posts)Lovie777
(13,496 posts)he is and it's getting worse. Ya think the GQP would care about his health and well being, but noes, all they care about is winning and obtaining complete power along with all the money.
brewens
(14,211 posts)he ran for president. He was always full of shit but sharper for him. No comparison.
He's high risk for liver failure with that diet.
3Hotdogs
(12,848 posts)And, in a couple'a months, nobody will be able to ignore it. ----- still waiting.
And on the Republican side, Joe will soon need a nursemaid on the campaign trail to spoon-feed him his cream of wheat so's he doesn't collapse on the campaign stage from hunger.
paleotn
(18,488 posts)In this case, I think he is. This is not contrived. Just listen to the orange moron. He's a babbling mess and getting worse.
Hope22
(2,257 posts)Evolve Dammit
(17,508 posts)![](/emoticons/grr.gif)
Wednesdays
(18,353 posts)Dubya was born July 6, 1946, so he was 62 when he left office. Smellvis is now 77 years old and counting. Much higher risk of dementia.
All Mixed Up
(597 posts)Alzheimer's can progress slowly but Trump has been in the presidential spotlight now for eight years and he looks just as deranged and confused as he did in 2016.
Just last week someone was posting a video of Trump confusing 9/11 with 7-Eleven. It was hilarious and total proof he's lost his shit.
Except the video was from 2016.
Even in the days of his presidency, he was confused. Like when he referred to Tim Cook as Tim Apple.
Or when, in 2017, he gave a speech and started walking out of the room when he was told he needed to sign some legislation - the whole point of being there.
Then there was his claiming in 2017 that Andrew Jackson was really angery about the Civil War - except the Civil War didn't start until years after Jackson's death.
Trump has always been a moron. I don't think he suffers from dementia. He just suffers from being an idiot.
Much like Bush.
I actually don't think it's productive to get into a dementia-off. I don't believe that helps win voters over and it just keeps the claims about Biden's mental acuity in the limelight.
Call Trump dumb. Attack how ill-equipped mentally he is to handle the presidency. But I see no reason to tie it to dementia or his age because, again, that just raises the issue with Biden too.
gab13by13
(22,971 posts)I cited an expert's opinion. Read the link, the expert states that Biden has normal issues from growing old, Trump's symptoms are different.
All Mixed Up
(597 posts)Especially one who is biased against Trump.
Dr. Gartner also petitioned Schumer back in 2017 to remove Trump from office because he was mentally unfit.
In 2018, he wrote a letter to Trump's doctor, Ronny Jackson, asking him to perform a cognitive exam because there were signs he might be suffering from dementia.
Then in 2019, he wrote an article for USA Today claiming Trump might suffer from dementia.
My point? He's been at this for nearly eight years now.
As awful as Trump is - and he is - if he had dementia all the way back in 2017, the signs likely would be very apparent in 2024. The average lifespan of someone with dementia is eight-to-ten years. Trump is right at that supposed eight-year mark according to this same doctor. He would theoretically be entering the severe stage of the disease and as unhinged as Trump is, he's nowhere near the end-stage of dementia.
So, either Trump is one of the lucky ones and has a really slow-forming version of dementia (which is pretty rare) or he's just crazy and has been crazy since 2016.
But I don't think it's appropriate for any doctor to be making that diagnosis off speeches and what they see on TV.
How can I accept it when Ronny Jackson, also a doctor (literally Obama's White House doctor) is out there doing the exact same thing with Biden? Should we trust him because he's a doctor too? No.
Trump is dumb. He's always been dumb. He's also dangerous. But not because he's suffering from dementia.
Focusing on dementia, whether it's posting an article or outright making the claim yourself, isn't a winning argument because it just brings Biden's age into it.
We need to focus on how crazy Trump is and what he plans on doing if elected again - not that he flubs a line or slurs his words due to his fake teeth or whatever.
Torchlight
(3,803 posts)Or something.
paleotn
(18,488 posts)That would be the only solid he ever did for anyone.
niyad
(116,410 posts)Diamond_Dog
(32,949 posts)niyad
(116,410 posts)VGNonly
(7,590 posts)had a stroke, or a series of TIAs. I remember his difficulty holding a glass with his right hand. If someone has had a stroke, the right hand is weak. Strokes emanate from the left lobe. He had to use both hands to take a sip of water.
yardwork
(62,578 posts)I always wondered if that was a stroke.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,876 posts)I like this for many reasons, not least that there's no one to blame except "the almighty." But anything that removes his evil presence from this world will be fine with me.
Joinfortmill
(15,311 posts)bucolic_frolic
(44,771 posts)and it's also typical of vascular dementia
TNNurse
(7,009 posts)jmbar2
(5,765 posts)I am terrified of them and the Project 2025.
Paladin
(28,510 posts)KS Toronado
(18,332 posts)Wonder if FQX is dubbing his slurs out?
LenaBaby61
(6,991 posts)Of videos showing the RAPIST thug slurring, confusing people's names, joking about how he's slurring, sweating profusely, confusing people's names and forgetting things on purpose, because trigger the fascist, radical, left-winged, communist libs Then the RAPIST goes on to mumble, slur, forget what he said 5 minutes earlier about how he hated flies, and his mentally deranged fans applaud him hating flies 👀
It's indescribable, but maybe not, how complicit this so-called liberal--but is mostly corporate and greedy for ad dollars & seeing the train-wreck RAPIST descend into madness but brings them clicks, views--media's hiding how the RAPIST is visibly DECLINING right before our eyes real time
aeromanKC
(3,385 posts)I want him to be fully cognizant when both RICO hits and the prison doors clang shut behind his smelly fat ass.
dmr
(28,458 posts)I'd rather suffer (albeit, painfully) through TFG's campaign so President Biden can win his second term. And he will!
Please, please, please let him babble and hold incoherent rallies until November. The rw will need Noah's ark to survive the blue tsunami.
Wednesdays
(18,353 posts)sop
(11,078 posts)If you (have the stomach to) watch youtube interviews of the racist mouthbreathers who show up at his rallies, or those "talking to the average red state voter at the Main Street diner" reports the media does every four years, it becomes apparent Trump voters are pretty low-functioning themselves.
Liberal In Texas
(13,942 posts)Just what we need in the WH, another repub with dementia. Who would run the country this time? Steven Miller? Frightening thoughts.
Pinback
(12,376 posts)This shambling pestilence and his henchpersons would gladly burn the country to the ground if they could profit personally from it.
Yet another most important election of our lifetime and democracy is on the line, both of which are glaringly true. I hope to live long enough to see elections where the biggest drama is how much better things could get with the next administration.
ificandream
(9,789 posts)CrispyQ
(37,109 posts)It was published early in his term. I thought it was the most prescient cartoon of all.
wolfie001
(2,713 posts)It was right on point!
Farmer-Rick
(10,702 posts)Is that they usually have really good medical care and can survive and hide mental issues better and longer than an average person.
If Cheney had been poor he would have died of heart failure long ago.
If Reagan had been anyone else, he would have been put in a home or wandered off to starve.
If W had average wealth, his liver would have given out 25 years ago.
If Trump had been born to a poor family, he would be living on skid row talking to light posts or have died of COVID.
Really good medical care can noticable improve your life. This crap about anti-vaxxer, essential oils or drinking bleach to cure illness is just for us middle class and poor. It's modern day voodoo. It's cheap and ineffective. Designed for people who can't afford $30,000 medical bills. And if you can afford it, it won't be top of the line, expert treatment.
Do you think Trump would have survived COVID if he had been you or I?
No, Trump's going to go on being the stinking Nazi babbling nonsense while his cult takes it as God's word for a good 13 to 20 years still. Modern medicine really is almost miraculous if you can afford it.
I'm sorry to break the news to you Melania.
CrispyQ
(37,109 posts)Well sure, if you can be air lifted to a hospital where you have your own team of medical experts & the latest antivirals & cutting-edge technology at your fingertips.
Wednesdays
(18,353 posts)Really?
I give him ten more years, tops. Even with all that wealth and "miraculous medicine." His diet, family medical history, and his lifestyle will do him in long before his 90's.
Kid Berwyn
(16,263 posts)Strategy: Uh. I was crazy. Uh. Not responsible.
sheshe2
(85,184 posts)I have no problems with that as long they commit him for life.
Auggie
(31,432 posts)If Stinky refuses, he's a coward. If he agrees, he's exposed.
RobertDevereaux
(1,885 posts). . . in the terminal stages of swift and precipitous decline.
Desert Dog
(81 posts)Trump continues to slide. Haley stays in the race as back up, but his lick spittle cult will never abandon their idea of revenge. His court losses and crimes almost don't matter to independents because his decline on the cognitives is so obvious. RNC wishes to hide him, but there is no telling Trump what to do. He continues to babble and slur. Most voters are repelled.
Trump picks someone completely unlikable like Tim Scott or Vivaswarmy. Even if he croaks or quits before election day, they VP candidate is so bad as to not be an option. Trump has dug such a big hole that pandering to blacks and women with Scott or Haley pick will not move numbers.
After he loses by twenty million votes, he wigs out during a public speech and collapses. I mean REALLY loses it. Hamberder style tantrum.
Magas still do not go away. They have no shame and will stew on their idiocy for generations. There will never be another Trump because no other politician spent the last 20 years on TV cosplaying the rich boss. GOP back bench is horrific.
Trump, while doing incredible damage to the US and earth in general.. ends out being a great thing for the Democratic Party and US. The party gets new access to rural and middle America at just the right time. The absurdness of Trump demise and GOP spiral will help with Independents for years. Biden will continue to do a good job but will resign shortly after 2026 mid terms. Harris will become first woman president and America will love her energy and spirit. Because of mid term appointment, she will be eligible for 2 more elections. Biden will cement hero status as he gives up his presidency for good of the country. Biden give Harris a head start to win over the country and show she will be a great president. Would Harris win in a general without the head start? Maybe, but certainly easier with incumbency.
After Biden wins and we take over congress, we end the filibuster for good and get some big stuff done. Court term limits? Womens healthcare?
After midterm, Biden expands the extreme court and fixes that mess. THEN, hands off to Kamala. Biden takes the heat on the way out..
This.. is if it times out perfect. If Trump collapses early, then Haley vs Biden might expose age gap.
Dems in Senate should start debating a Women's Healthcare Protection act RIGHT NOW (or maybe August?). Keep it simple. Hospitals must treat. Abortion exception for rape and incest. Abortion drug availability. IVF guidelines. No state laws against out of state travel for healthcare. Paint the GOP in the corner on their extremism.
Tree Lady
(11,790 posts)exceptions too. How they can turn a woman away who has this is beyond me. My daughter almost died from it.
EmmaLee E
(180 posts)And your analysis is spot-on!
Diraven
(755 posts)Media has already decided the 2024 election narrative is Biden's too old while Trump is manly and virile.
cayugafalls
(5,735 posts)Media has not 'decided' anything yet.
iluvtennis
(20,232 posts)Karma would be if one of his sons mocked him.
NH Ethylene
(30,899 posts)Native
(6,038 posts)Link to tweet
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FakeNoose
(34,020 posts)This story points to the original article in Salon, dated Feb. 23, 2024...
(link) https://www.salon.com/2024/02/23/dr-john-gartner-on-a-tale-of-two-brains-bidens-brain-is-aging-brain-is-dementing/
Dr. John Gartner on a tale of two brains: "Biden's brain is aging. Trump's brain is dementing"
Whatever one may think about the specifics of his policies, President Joe Biden, on the other hand, is a responsible leader and an institutionalist who believes in America and the democratic experiment. By comparison, Donald Trump hates democracy, attempted a coup on Jan. 6, and is a megalomaniac who believes that he is some type of god or messiah. Whatever a fence sitter, undecided, or disgruntled Democrat or other member of Bidens 2020 electoral coalition who is angry at him over a specific policy may think and feel, there is no issue where Donald Trump will be a real improvement. Moreover, Trump and his MAGA movement will punish those people who they view as being members of the Democratic Party's base of support. Ultimately, a principled vote against President Biden (or deciding to abstain in protest) is a vote for Trump and American neofascism.
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wryter2000
(46,822 posts)![](/emoticons/hi.gif)
cayugafalls
(5,735 posts)More word salad shit...
Turdump has shit for brains.
LetMyPeopleVote
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Qutzupalotl
(14,684 posts)c-rational
(2,731 posts)gab13by13
(22,971 posts)wife and I are both 76.
I posted it because it would truly be karma if all of the Magat rantings about President Biden's mental deficiencies came back to haunt them. What Biden is experiencing is just natural old age setting in, Trump's problem is much more serious.
Bayard
(23,001 posts)I think it would be damn effective.
Hey--if they can mock Biden's age.....
Wednesdays
(18,353 posts)It's not comprehensive, but it's a start.
Pluvious
(4,509 posts)elleng
(133,454 posts)JoseBalow
(3,607 posts)![](https://media.tenor.com/images/4f16066ce49530795862dfac3080260f/tenor.gif)
LeftInTX
(27,749 posts)They've been saying he has Alzheimers for 7 years now.
live love laugh
(13,795 posts)Wonder Why
(3,813 posts)he'd never seen Alzheimers that complete. Better than Lincoln, Washington or that guy Obama I beat. Everyone praises my Alzheimers. Even Karl Marx, one of the Three Stooges texted me and added his congratulations. God told me what a good job I did on it. That's why those idiot prospectors and judges are wrong. Buy my sneakers and my Alzheimers record will never be beaten."
Jilly_in_VA
(10,445 posts)Or somewhere. There is/was a guy on Twitter (when it was that and not Xitter) when I was still there who made it his business to track him, and he swore the guy had frontotemporal dementia. He could and did cite evidence of every single miscue that led him to believe this, and he had hundreds of followers who agreed with him, me included.
bdamomma
(64,743 posts)Dr Gartner should enilghten our media on this. His father had Alzheimer's. Rotten apples do not fall far from wicked branches.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,450 posts)washing down a hefty dose of ivermectin with a Clorox cocktail, along with sticking a UV light up his keister, has been said by many fine people to prevent Alzheimers.
ShazzieB
(17,277 posts)BIDEN'S BRAIN IS AGING.
TRUMP'S BRAIN IS DEMENTING.
Funtatlaguy
(11,191 posts)With anything you want on them.
Just google it.
Nasruddin
(766 posts)I know this kind of thing is comforting, but it isn't really helpful.
Various people have been saying this since at least the middle of his term as president. There was at least 1 person
who claimed he'd be in a wheelchair or confined by early 2021.
I agreed with this, but it did not happen. And it shows no sign of happening. He's wacky alright but showing no
signs of inability to carry out his discreditable life. He just keeps on going.
Drug addict, maybe. Exhausted old guy, probably. Massively disordered personality for sure.
This is what we have to deal with. He's not going to the skilled nursing facility any time soon.
gab13by13
(22,971 posts)I just posted what an expert believes. Magats are going to bash President Biden no matter what we say about Trump. I haven't seen any reputable experts claiming that Biden is senile.
sakabatou
(42,509 posts)Evolve Dammit
(17,508 posts)All Mixed Up
(597 posts)He lived a few more years and died in 1999 at the age of 93.
Evolve Dammit
(17,508 posts)samplegirl
(11,732 posts)God I hate to see late stages. I had him ready for
Nursing home after he told us to drink bleach.
Aussie105
(5,794 posts)Advanced senility . . .
Life long stupidity and dislocation from reality . . .
One or more, most likely all of those.
I don't see it matters much. GOP worshippers will worship.
Quixote1818
(29,697 posts)Aussie105
(5,794 posts)The mouth motors on, uttering whatever words float up from the swap within.
I can't wait for the mouth to stop moving.
oldsoftie
(13,152 posts)This is what trump has made me sink to
BlueKota
(2,538 posts)misanthrope
(7,706 posts)Last edited Mon Feb 26, 2024, 02:34 PM - Edit history (1)
what you are saying could be defined as compassion. My father has it. Considering how it has changed him, the misery it causes him and how he spreads that misery to those around him, he would have been better off had he keeled over suddenly a few years ago. Instead, it is just a protracted torture that does nothing but wring out the family both emotionally and financially.
oldsoftie
(13,152 posts)My brother & I both kinda thought what you said; she didnt want to be in a failed state. She did live to 94
lpbk2713
(42,946 posts)So he can go fuck himself.
evolves
(5,423 posts)I would say "terminal."
raising2moredems
(658 posts)However the turd, like raygun, is exhibiting the signs before the election. And honest to pete, bad enough the taxpayers had to pay for raygun to get premium home care. Then again, the golden pussy might hire the cheapest help she can find.
SoFlaBro
(2,497 posts)C Moon
(12,355 posts)W T F
(1,154 posts)Emile
(26,123 posts)Trump's father died with Alzheimer disease.