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PCIntern

(25,877 posts)
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 07:32 PM Feb 2024

Ok folks, let's get something straight:

Last edited Mon Feb 26, 2024, 12:45 PM - Edit history (1)

I would assume that every poster here is going to vote in November. Ok?

Now I FULLY AGREE with the notion that many Americans are for various horrifying, in my opinion, reasons are either not going to vote or are going to vote for a third party candidate, or most horrifically, for the noisy, degenerating, sociopathic creamsicle. Our job as citizens, day to day, is to encourage people on the fence, to vote our way. Absolutely. I’ve been doing this my entire adult life and it is my avocation.

I will state for the record, however, that I don’t really enjoy having people scream at me in their replies to one of my posts that I’m intimating that “we have it in the bag” or “don’t worry” or phrases of that ilk. If i thought everything were secure in America, I wouldn’t be spending time At this website, I’d be writing my novel or entertaining friends, or watching reruns of old TV, or whatever. Believe me, I and virtually every legitimate member of DU, and I’ve been here twenty years now, is fucking scared to death of what may happen in our nation.


All that being said, I would honestly appreciate, if I or for that matter anyone else, posts a note of optimism, that the shouted pedantic warnings of “all will be lost if you continue to post messages such as this one. “Or, “we’ve got to go get out and vote… don’t forget to vote.” Are lessened or eradicated.

I promise you, no one here is going to forget to vote on November 5.

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Ok folks, let's get something straight: (Original Post) PCIntern Feb 2024 OP
Five rec's before a reply Maeve Feb 2024 #1
I'm with you PC. I don't think tsf has a chance of beating Biden. 1WorldHope Feb 2024 #2
In 2016 I didn't think he had COL Mustard Feb 2024 #22
He killed A LOT of people since, and literally millions will either not vote or not vote for president. onecaliberal Feb 2024 #37
I will vote straight Dem ticket like I always MOMFUDSKI Feb 2024 #3
All I want is 67 Senators and 400 Representatives to work with Joe. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2024 #4
Except no more than once in the same election. soldierant Feb 2024 #50
People thought we had it in the bag in 2016. Demobrat Feb 2024 #5
Yes. I know this. PCIntern Feb 2024 #7
It's not the people here I'm talking about. Demobrat Feb 2024 #9
I think very much of 2016 was down to voter disenfranchisement and little prods and tweaks here and there. PTL_Mancuso Feb 2024 #39
Both 2016 and 2020 we had big lead in polls and Tribetime Feb 2024 #45
Kick and another Rec Hekate Feb 2024 #6
This one counts. Our democracy is on the line. Joinfortmill Feb 2024 #8
K & R Pototan Feb 2024 #10
PC, the only thing I worry a lot about is all the chicanery at the state level that can be pulled. CTyankee Feb 2024 #11
Thank you for your post it is right on target wendyb-NC Feb 2024 #12
I find optimism a road worth traveling on Blue Idaho Feb 2024 #13
There is no 'bag' for something to be in. Aussie105 Feb 2024 #14
Oh...ok... PCIntern Feb 2024 #16
lol orleans Feb 2024 #17
Better to be in the bag than be the bag.... littlemissmartypants Feb 2024 #32
The cat's in a bag and the bag's in the river PTL_Mancuso Feb 2024 #41
Or ... littlemissmartypants Feb 2024 #33
Our Call to Action email that my Indivisible group issues every week calimary Feb 2024 #15
"Do More - Worry Less". . . DinahMoeHum Feb 2024 #18
Happy 22nd DUnniversary. niyad Feb 2024 #21
This is our history. byronius Feb 2024 #19
Like you, I have been here on DU for over 20 years, and I am scared to death. niyad Feb 2024 #20
Are you in Ohio? TSExile Feb 2024 #42
Colorado niyad Feb 2024 #46
Ahhh!! TSExile Feb 2024 #49
March 5, Super Tuesday? niyad Feb 2024 #53
As long as we are NOT cheated again with EC BS, it's in the bag. czarjak Feb 2024 #23
Both 2016 & 2020 were decided by miniscule margins IbogaProject Feb 2024 #24
You are absolutely right. Battlegrounds are the bottom line. Right there is where our GE optimism must get real. ancianita Feb 2024 #25
Confidence and optimism are contagious BaronChocula Feb 2024 #26
My optimism is based on Joe Biden's optimism. Not because I worship him or I'm in a cult but because I know the man Walleye Feb 2024 #27
Amen. ancianita Feb 2024 #28
I truly enjoy reading BlueMTexpat Feb 2024 #29
I hate the word "complacent" because of 2016. Number of voters wasn't that different from 2012 betsuni Feb 2024 #30
Sunshine greblach Feb 2024 #31
K&R spanone Feb 2024 #34
Exactly birdographer Feb 2024 #35
I will proudly vote straight Dem like I always do. camartinwv Feb 2024 #36
All I know is the day I receive my mail in ballot for President Biden I will drop it off in person the next day. kimbutgar Feb 2024 #38
Are our posts being read on MSNBC nightly or something? Sympthsical Feb 2024 #40
Recommended. H2O Man Feb 2024 #43
Of course!!! I would as they say crawl through broken glass to vote. Demsrule86 Feb 2024 #44
Down here in Texas, we have this NVD problem: Non Voting Democrats. yellowdogintexas Feb 2024 #47
One thing about DU, DEMs are like cats.... you can only lead them where they want to go. TigressDem Feb 2024 #48
I need to do something other than post here. SarahD Feb 2024 #51
I'm damned optimistic about '24. Torchlight Feb 2024 #52

1WorldHope

(756 posts)
2. I'm with you PC. I don't think tsf has a chance of beating Biden.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 08:14 PM
Feb 2024

I think people listen too much to Russian propaganda. I got 2 people to register for the first time in their lives, age 70 and 72.
Fuck TSF. Americans can't possibly be that naive. Some, yes. More? No!

COL Mustard

(6,175 posts)
22. In 2016 I didn't think he had
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 10:27 PM
Feb 2024

A chance of beating Hillary. But he did. A few thousand votes differently in a couple of swing states and we would have avoided the hellscape that we’ve had since then. Every vote counts, and we need to encourage our neighbors to vote. It’s the only way.

onecaliberal

(33,459 posts)
37. He killed A LOT of people since, and literally millions will either not vote or not vote for president.
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 12:18 PM
Feb 2024

Hermit-The-Prog

(34,330 posts)
4. All I want is 67 Senators and 400 Representatives to work with Joe.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 08:26 PM
Feb 2024

You will vote however many times it takes to achieve those numbers, comrade, or no tacos for you.

soldierant

(7,205 posts)
50. Except no more than once in the same election.
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 07:43 PM
Feb 2024

I realize that gows without saying - if you're not a Republican. But just in case...

Demobrat

(9,167 posts)
5. People thought we had it in the bag in 2016.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 08:37 PM
Feb 2024

No way did a failed casino operator and game show host have a shot. He was a joke. So they stayed home. We saw how that worked out. Now, there’s nobody and nothing more motivating to Dem voters than the risk of that happening again.

So no, we have no guarantees. But we have reason to e optimistic.

Demobrat

(9,167 posts)
9. It's not the people here I'm talking about.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 08:58 PM
Feb 2024

It’s the ones who stayed home. I don’t think they will make that mistake again. Maybe I’m wrong.

 

PTL_Mancuso

(276 posts)
39. I think very much of 2016 was down to voter disenfranchisement and little prods and tweaks here and there.
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 01:43 PM
Feb 2024

The GOP bag of Dirty Tricks and of sneaky snakes to pull them off is simply Bottomless!!!

A few thousand votes here a few hundred there, etc. The Comey announcement, timed as it was, caused ginormous harm. I can only imagine he was hounded/harassed/threatened to an insane level to do what he did when he did it.

Remember Greg Palast reporting about hundreds of thousands of illegal voter disqualifications? [link:https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/oct/19/georgia-governor-race-voter-suppression-brian-kemp|

It is almost like we will NEED to get 67% of the vote just to get to halfway.

Tribetime

(4,865 posts)
45. Both 2016 and 2020 we had big lead in polls and
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 02:09 PM
Feb 2024

We barely won EC in 2020 and lost in 2016. The polls are way worse now so I don't see how anyone is optimistic now.

Joinfortmill

(14,883 posts)
8. This one counts. Our democracy is on the line.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 08:57 PM
Feb 2024

Do the right thing and encourage everyone you know to do the same. If we all do our part, we will save our Republic. God bless, May the force be with you, Peace.

CTyankee

(64,056 posts)
11. PC, the only thing I worry a lot about is all the chicanery at the state level that can be pulled.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 09:11 PM
Feb 2024

and I think the Trumpers know that. They have their operatives in crucial swing states figuring out how to fix the next election. Fortunately, Biden's campaign strategists know this and are prepared for chicanery to happen.

wendyb-NC

(3,425 posts)
12. Thank you for your post it is right on target
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 09:18 PM
Feb 2024

Yes, I am definitely voting Biden blue this November 5th, 2024. The precinct I live in had its organizational meeting. We are psyched to work from now till November, in order to get people out to vote. I have been a poll observer in early voting for the March 5, 2024 Primary Election. The numbers of people casting their ballots, is variable, and the numbers seem to be declining. Historically, his county tends to have fewer voters show up at the polls for the Primaries than in November. The turnout in November, 2020, for the Presidential Election was 75.35%, for the State of NC, according to the NCSBE. The county where I live voted for Democratic Candidates. The otherside won the majority in a number of counties and which reinforced the, Red State, classification. Gerrymandering is an issue, here.

People not only have to vote but use their brains and ask themselves have they ever seen a p[resident act like tfg, listen to those who are ringing the alarm bells about faschist leanings by the former president, and the R's embrace of dictators and autocrats, such as Putin and Orban. It is terrifying. If he goes back to the White House we are cooked. We must vote and get others to do the same.

Blue Idaho

(5,161 posts)
13. I find optimism a road worth traveling on
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 09:19 PM
Feb 2024

Especially when we work like hell for the things we dearly believe in along the way.

Aussie105

(5,684 posts)
14. There is no 'bag' for something to be in.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 09:19 PM
Feb 2024

Don't fall for any polls that suggest 'it is in the bag' either way.

Every vote counts.

Vote like your future depends on it. Because it does.

calimary

(82,094 posts)
15. Our Call to Action email that my Indivisible group issues every week
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 09:23 PM
Feb 2024

always aims to keep our readers engaged, or at least, informed about these things, so they’re ready to vote - and to do so intelligently.

We won’t be letting up, anytime soon.

byronius

(7,433 posts)
19. This is our history.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 09:55 PM
Feb 2024

And we get the chance to start to change everything.

My entire extended family is voting Dem. My lifelong GOP father in law has been voting the straight Democratic ticket since Bush. He likes Biden.

Trump has poisoned the GOP well forever. That party leans Nazi, but now it’s gotten embarrassing. They’ll never be able to pretend they’re centrist again, and that’s going to hurt soon.

Each year brings a fresh wave of young lefties hoping and not hating. The GOP can’t make the demographics work for them. They’ll try, but it’s a weak position.

I hope. I think.

niyad

(115,153 posts)
20. Like you, I have been here on DU for over 20 years, and I am scared to death.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 10:07 PM
Feb 2024

I was one of a very, very few back in 2016, who cautioned about taking that traitorous monster seriously. I kept pointing out that hitler was regarded as a joke by many in his time, and look how that turned out.

I just early-voted for President Biden in our primary, and will vote a straight Dem ticket in November. In the meantime, doing everything I can, as I know you, and many here, are as well.

czarjak

(11,607 posts)
23. As long as we are NOT cheated again with EC BS, it's in the bag.
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 10:37 PM
Feb 2024

A seven million vote deficit can't be overcome. Fingers crossed anyway?

IbogaProject

(2,960 posts)
24. Both 2016 & 2020 were decided by miniscule margins
Sun Feb 25, 2024, 10:37 PM
Feb 2024

Yes 2020 was a "7 some million vote" margin, but the actual vote margins in 3 states were very close. 2016 was lost by less than 200,000 votes total. So get out the vote and advocating for what this administration has done. I'm proud to point out how large that infrastructure act has been. Roads and bridges getting fixed most everywhere. Along with how TFG talked infrastructure, but he failed to ever have his "infrastructure week" to help jog memories how absurd that entire administration was. It's obvious to us but there are so many completely under and mis informed people who need a simple boost towards Biden.

For Trump in 2016 and Biden in 2020, winning a handful of large, winner-take-all states by very close margins proved key to their Electoral College victories. In 2016, Trump carried Florida, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin (total electoral votes: 75) by less than 2 percentage points each – or a combined total of 190,655 votes out of more than 23.3 million cast in those states. This year, Biden carried Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin (total electoral votes: 57) by that same narrow margin – or a combined total of 124,364 votes out of 18.6 million cast.
I found that from https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/12/11/bidens-victory-another-example-of-how-electoral-college-wins-are-bigger-than-popular-vote-ones/

ancianita

(36,568 posts)
25. You are absolutely right. Battlegrounds are the bottom line. Right there is where our GE optimism must get real.
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 06:09 AM
Feb 2024

Thanks.

BaronChocula

(1,744 posts)
26. Confidence and optimism are contagious
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 06:23 AM
Feb 2024

and can have an impact on those characters that either don't vote or vote for TPCs. Many people simply side with strength and/or morale. It's a simple psychological principle. Projection of fear and/or panic is not attractive to the lizard brain.

I'm confident, I'm optimistic and I'm voting BEFORE Nov 5.

Walleye

(31,729 posts)
27. My optimism is based on Joe Biden's optimism. Not because I worship him or I'm in a cult but because I know the man
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 06:39 AM
Feb 2024

Because he’s never lost a general election, and he knows what is doing. If he sees trouble coming he will let us know

BlueMTexpat

(15,392 posts)
29. I truly enjoy reading
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 07:03 AM
Feb 2024

your posts, although I do NOT share some of your opinions.

But you are certainly correct in that we WILL be voting for the same person and the same party this upcoming November!

betsuni

(26,359 posts)
30. I hate the word "complacent" because of 2016. Number of voters wasn't that different from 2012
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 07:07 AM
Feb 2024

or other elections as far as I can see, don't understand the idea that if anyone says a positive thing it will mesmerize Democrats into not voting. What the hell is that?

greblach

(259 posts)
31. Sunshine
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 07:44 AM
Feb 2024

I too am optimistic about this year and the elections...and not just optimistic, but feeling a certain confidence in the human spirit that would not allow another round of idiocracy (great movie by the way). I know, I know, we felt the same way in 2016, but the feeling is massively stronger this time. Optimism is the way I live my life and there is no other way for me. Trust me we got this.

kimbutgar

(21,565 posts)
38. All I know is the day I receive my mail in ballot for President Biden I will drop it off in person the next day.
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 12:41 PM
Feb 2024

Sympthsical

(9,238 posts)
40. Are our posts being read on MSNBC nightly or something?
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 01:45 PM
Feb 2024

It feels like they must be with the arguments that what we say here has some profound effect on the election, so happy thoughts or serious thoughts only.

It's a very small corner of the internet. It's just a discussion site for a small number of Democrats. If I wanted to influence an election, I'd leave the house.

Demsrule86

(69,132 posts)
44. Of course!!! I would as they say crawl through broken glass to vote.
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 01:57 PM
Feb 2024

I don't need excitement or to always get my way on every issue...put a Democrat on the ballot and he/she has my vote. For those who say but what if we got a Trumpian candidate. That would never happen. Democrats have a brain, a heart, and courage.

yellowdogintexas

(22,404 posts)
47. Down here in Texas, we have this NVD problem: Non Voting Democrats.
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 03:08 PM
Feb 2024

It is so sad, since a good number of these people seriously do not think their vote counts
Not in the sense that it isn't counted, but in the sense that it won't make a difference.
We have had so many years of blank lines on the Democratic side of the ballot that our voters only turn out for Presidential & gubernatorial years. Then they only vote the top lines and wonder why things don't change .
SO we have: downballot issues, gerrymandering, folks who don't vote at all, and the ones who aggravate me the most: "I just don't pay attention to politics/ I don't know much about politics"
It is really hard to convince people to vote when they feel it is a wasted effort.
In my precinct of 1200 registered voters, I have about 120 who have never voted, voters who skip primaries (I can't find Democrats if they skip primaries)and a number of infrequent voters.

At least the state and county parties have been working hard to populate our ballots with Democratic candidates.

I am under no illusion that we can swing Texas for Biden, however I keep reading that the senate race has shifted enough that a contest between Cruz and Allred is at 2 points. Colin is raising lots of money and the DNC is supporting candidates around the state. If we can get rid of Raphael Eduardo I will be very pleased. He is not well liked.

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
48. One thing about DU, DEMs are like cats.... you can only lead them where they want to go.
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 05:08 PM
Feb 2024

Our ideas and opinions get heated and such, but in the end, I believe you are right most will understand quite depressingly that we have one last election to keep Democracy 2024.

Personally, I think it's depressing because we should NOT be in a position to have to choose between a Dictator and Democracy.

But life is what it is. People in Ukraine don't like having their lives blown up. If they can get through that and if we can help, great.

But ANYTHING any sane and rational person can do to keep our Democracy is needed now.

I for one keep pointing out every time someone brings up Biden's age that it makes him THE MOST EXPERIENCED PRESIDENT EVER.

I watch his speeches and I have cried with joy to have see how he actually cares about people who have lost loved ones. He knows how it feels and never forgets to make his pain move him forward to honor those he's lost by being a better person.

His thoughts about McCain and his presence at the Union Picket line. His Dark Brandon smirk and calling out tRUMP for racist posturing and his awful Hoover record of job losses show me he does get it.

And he got 7 billion for HBCUs. THAT IS A REAL piece of progress. Selling nasty sneakers for $400, please. Putin's puppet has NO CLASS.

Biden got US out of Covid disaster. It's still a thing but we don't have thousands dying daily anymore.

BIDEN/HARRIS could do SO MUCH MORE with an EFFECTIVE CONGRESS - READ BLUE TRIFECTA. Because ONLY THE DEMs seem interested in DOING the work it takes to make America better and better and better.

Enough with Orange Mussolini. VOTE BLUE.

SarahD

(1,691 posts)
51. I need to do something other than post here.
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 08:03 PM
Feb 2024

We have good discussions, but there is no impact from talking with each other. My thing is writing GOTV letters to likely voters in swing states. I usually get a list of voters from the Sierra Club or ACLU so they're mostly Democrats or uncommitted. I encourage everyone to get off the keyboard for a weekend and do something else. Register some voters. Go to a town hall. Knock on doors. Help your precinct leaders. Go to a candidate rally and yell your lungs out. Then come back here a d tell us how much fun it was. Thanks.

Torchlight

(3,693 posts)
52. I'm damned optimistic about '24.
Mon Feb 26, 2024, 08:11 PM
Feb 2024

That same optimism fuels my household to keep campaigning for our community's GOTV initiatives. I think it's a win, but maybe it won't be. Either way, I just kinda ignore the consistent 'woe-is-us' cries of anguish; from watching, reading, and observing my llittle part of America over the years, my guess is a third of it's just pretense, a third's trolling, and the last third are people more invested in fear than in hope.

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