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Pototan

(3,208 posts)
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 03:34 AM Feb 2024

Please don't use "lesser of two evils'...

...when advocating for a Joe Biden vote. It amounts to a false equivariance. By stating that, you are conceding that both Trump and Biden are evil, just Biden a little less so. I saw that over and over again with Hilary in 2016. That type of bullshit statement pushes people to third parties or gives cover for others to vote for Trump.

"The lesser of two evils" is very rarely applicable. In most case, there are two good people, and one is better than another. I'm thinking Stevenson and Eisenhower or Obama and McCain. The only time in history that I can recall that the phrase "lesser of two evils" was appropriate was Stalin and Hitler during World War II. I think we can all agree that those two men were both evil, but Hitler more so. Churchill and FDR had to make that decision.

I think we can all agree that Trump is evil. We can argue about degrees, but that's a very bad man. By the same token, one or more of us can disagree with Biden on an issue or two, but he's a good man.

Please don't use that phrase when advocating for Biden. It does all of us a disservice.

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Pototan

(3,208 posts)
4. How about "Biden is a good man" and Trump has...
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 03:40 AM
Feb 2024

...committed rape, fraud, insurrection, espionage, obstruction and other high crimes and misdemeanors.

Pototan

(3,208 posts)
5. I have seen it lately...
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 03:43 AM
Feb 2024

Last edited Tue Feb 27, 2024, 05:35 AM - Edit history (1)

...especially in posts about Gaza. But I'm not just talking about this board. In conversations I hear others say they are voting for Biden because "he's the lesser of two evils". I correct that person and use the OP as my talking point.

I just thought I'd throw this out there so others could do the same.

Cha

(320,552 posts)
10. Well they better
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 04:21 AM
Feb 2024

Get a GD Clue that PJB is Not “Evil “.

Mahalo 🕯️🕊️💙🇺🇸🌊

 

Silent3

(15,909 posts)
7. I do use that phrase at times, but only to echo the types of bad arguments from people who say...
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 03:48 AM
Feb 2024

...they won't vote, or will vote third party. It's not at all part of my own enthusiastic support for Biden.

betsuni

(29,290 posts)
8. I really HATE that. People swore up and down and sideways in 2016 that no no no,
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 03:53 AM
Feb 2024

they weren't calling Hillary evil, don't be silly.

That's what the (excuse me) fucking idiom means: two evil things.

Another anti-Democratic propaganda redefinition of language.

betsuni

(29,290 posts)
12. This (I'm not allowed to say the name):
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 06:41 AM
Feb 2024

Last edited Tue Feb 27, 2024, 10:02 AM - Edit history (1)

"We need a campaign -- an election -- coming up which does not have two candidates who are really very, very strongly disliked. I don't want to see the American people voting for the lesser of two evils. I want the American people to be voting for a version of economic justice, of racial justice. That is the campaign we are running, and that's why we are getting the support we are."

George Stephanopolous: "Is that how you would describe Hillary Clinton against Donald Trump -- as the lesser of two evils?

"Well if you look -- No, I wouldn't describe it, but that's what the American people are saying."

What was THAT? That's "progressive"?


BaronChocula

(4,739 posts)
9. I heard more than enough of that in 2020
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 04:21 AM
Feb 2024

Mostly from really uninformed people whom I suspect was getting all their info from other people/media sources.

Maddening.

Cha

(320,552 posts)
16. Extremely Dangerously So.. We're
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 09:00 PM
Feb 2024

Getting Attacked on All Sides.

And, by "We're" I mean Saving Our Democracy.

hlthe2b

(114,672 posts)
13. Likewise, don't (as MSM does constantly) say the RW has their own "facts." No, they have their own ASSERTIONS
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 07:06 AM
Feb 2024

Such a damned big difference.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
17. How about: use the phrase that will actually convince a voter?
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 09:00 PM
Feb 2024

To a lot of undecided voters, neither Biden nor Trump is an attractive choice. Unless you have an alternative way to address that voter angst, a relative benefit argument may make the most sense.

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