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maxrandb

(15,450 posts)
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 05:30 PM Feb 27

The Georgia shit show in a nutshell

"This is Georgia, before we get to the trial of the rich white people that tried to overthrow Democracy and defraud the good people of Georgia, we've got to rake a few black folks over the coals"

It's the Georgia way.
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The Georgia shit show in a nutshell (Original Post) maxrandb Feb 27 OP
MAGA hates black people. SoFlaBro Feb 27 #1
And TSF said that's okay central scrutinizer Feb 27 #10
I gotta tell you, DENVERPOPS Feb 27 #35
People of color have much on the line this coming November. SoFlaBro Feb 28 #53
If Trump gets elected, I'm leaving anyway. God help us. flying_wahini Feb 28 #60
If we didn't have great kids and grandkids DENVERPOPS Feb 28 #61
Seems like the white folk want to be entertained by the DURHAM D Feb 27 #2
Absolutely cilla4progress Feb 27 #37
.. Cha Feb 27 #3
That dude needs to make up his mind MustLoveBeagles Feb 27 #6
Perhaps he's holding out for incentive$ peppertree Feb 27 #23
My take dweller Feb 27 #4
It really is disgusting! Judge will be reviewing Quakerfriend Feb 27 #5
Lied about what? MustLoveBeagles Feb 27 #7
It was reported yesterday that Wade had visited Quakerfriend Feb 27 #17
All the phone records show is that his cell phone ms liberty Feb 27 #20
Good to know. Thank u! n/t Quakerfriend Feb 27 #31
Need to be more accurate kwijybo Feb 28 #55
She wasn't even at home for several of those "times" and can prove that she was out of state and at a conference. onecaliberal Feb 27 #39
I'm pretty sure the court's law clerks are reviewing them now .................................... Lovie777 Feb 27 #8
Lied about what? Zero proodf of a lie obamanut2012 Feb 27 #12
As I understand it, maybe, the phone records do not Ninga Feb 27 #13
Not so fast. oldmanlynn Feb 28 #51
Weisman just said the judge is inexperienced MOMFUDSKI Feb 27 #9
I've never had a good feeling about this judge. triron Feb 27 #15
Sounds like Weissman is changing his tune? cilla4progress Feb 27 #38
He should have ruled last week that, worst case scenario, they took a couple vacations together Hassin Bin Sober Feb 27 #43
Fani isn't going anywhere gab13by13 Feb 27 #11
Unfortunately, it's highly unlikely the case will occur before election. It was unlikely even before this distraction. Silent Type Feb 27 #14
THIS malaise Feb 27 #16
I disagree 100% with racial aspect. This is strictly a matter of a maniac and his high paid lawyers using any tactic Wonder Why Feb 27 #18
"Trash"? What kind of trash are you talking about? Biophilic Feb 27 #25
Right? LuvLoogie Feb 27 #30
When someone says "trash" I immediately want more information. It's all sleazy and slimmy. Biophilic Feb 27 #34
Trump has attacked Smith, the white judges, everyone. Paxton is not a Trump target, not because Wonder Why Feb 27 #45
You think this is admissible? dpibel Feb 27 #50
As I have said elsewhere moniss Feb 28 #52
When Trump's lawyers try to use it to get him off, the judge, unfortunatelt, has to cross every "t" Wonder Why Feb 28 #58
Believe me the black people living in those moniss Feb 28 #59
Lighten up, Francis. LuvLoogie Feb 27 #26
No. ShazzieB Feb 27 #32
My way of thinking, The judge has to be shown 100% proof of wrongdoing. bluestarone Feb 27 #19
my take also et tu Feb 27 #21
Yeah... i think we'll get the results we want out of this Chakaconcarne Feb 27 #28
It is a preponderance of evidence in a hearing like this MichMan Feb 27 #29
If indeed Fani and Wade lied under oath, it's escalating into a criminal matter. Tickle Feb 27 #33
Sorry. Kingofalldems Feb 27 #47
Gee--is speculating considered evidence? Kingofalldems Feb 27 #48
I'm attempting to explain that 100% proof is not the legal standing in a hearing like this. MichMan Feb 28 #56
The Georgia nut show in a shitshell. calimary Feb 27 #22
Just more of Donny managing to duck and dodge birdographer Feb 27 #24
JFC, this is STILL going on? ShazzieB Feb 27 #27
Thats what I heard cilla4progress Feb 27 #36
Unfortunately, most of the people I know that vote for trump use racism and/or bigotry as their first reason SouthernDem4ever Feb 27 #40
K&R orangecrush Feb 27 #41
God Damn! GAJMac Feb 27 #42
Federal troops need to march through the MAGAt half of Georgia, AGAIN.... DemocraticPatriot Feb 27 #44
ANYTHING to delay by diaper donnie. pansypoo53219 Feb 27 #46
who said that? Amaryllis Feb 27 #49
Not about Race shwanrob Feb 28 #54
Sounds serious. Torchlight Feb 28 #57

DENVERPOPS

(8,994 posts)
35. I gotta tell you,
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 07:53 PM
Feb 27

If Trump wins the election, I wouldn't want to be ANY person of color, or ANY immigrant living in America.......Seriously..........

DENVERPOPS

(8,994 posts)
61. If we didn't have great kids and grandkids
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 08:52 PM
Feb 28

I would have left when they corruptly "Installed" W in the Whitehouse, and let Cheney/Rumsfeld/etc run things, including clear acts of Treason and their lying to get us into the Iraq War..........

DURHAM D

(32,620 posts)
2. Seems like the white folk want to be entertained by the
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 05:32 PM
Feb 27

sex lives of black folk.
Hasn't that always been true?

peppertree

(21,836 posts)
23. Perhaps he's holding out for incentive$
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 07:27 PM
Feb 27

Payola is a way of life in the Deep South.

Reminds me of Mi'ssippi, where the public works director of an important public institution went from having a modest house - to a big, ole MacMansion in the outskirts (with acreage).

His very, shall we say, rustic wife used to parade about town, with her poofy hairdos, like the Queen of Rumania.

It was well known that he was "keeping the change" from a lot of contracts - but he was a good ole boy, and thus untouchable.

dweller

(23,739 posts)
4. My take
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 05:35 PM
Feb 27

Do you often lie to your friends , sir ?
And are you lying now ?

This kind of stuck out to me


✌🏻

Quakerfriend

(5,462 posts)
5. It really is disgusting! Judge will be reviewing
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 05:37 PM
Feb 27

phone records Friday- looks as though Fanni and Wade may have lied about a few things 😩

But, their relationship is so unimportant-
We need for this Ass of a judge to do the right thing here and keep Fanni on the case!

Quakerfriend

(5,462 posts)
17. It was reported yesterday that Wade had visited
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 06:41 PM
Feb 27

her home dozens of times and spent the night there- They are claiming that they have proof in the phone records. We shall see….

ms liberty

(8,651 posts)
20. All the phone records show is that his cell phone
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 07:02 PM
Feb 27

Pinged on two towers that are within range of her home. Unfortunately for the trumpers, her home was also within the same area as numerous bars, restaurants, retail stores, and many homes, apartments and condos. In other words, he was hanging out and spending time in a popular area of Atlanta. That's what they've got.

kwijybo

(244 posts)
55. Need to be more accurate
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 08:59 AM
Feb 28

To show how FU'd this is. (Shades of 2000 mules!).

He geotagged the pings around tower A (2000') and around tower B (3000'). That's where her house was. Well, somewhere in there. In an Urban area, with lots of houses, bars, restaurants...

The 2000' radius, IIRC, was to avoid I75, so they didn't catch him going to work.

onecaliberal

(33,073 posts)
39. She wasn't even at home for several of those "times" and can prove that she was out of state and at a conference.
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 08:02 PM
Feb 27

This doesn't fucking matter. She is prosecuting a god damned criminal who has ALREADY been found to have raped a woman. He killed a million people with COVID. I'm over the kid gloves.

Who fanni has a relationship and when is her own business!!!

Lovie777

(12,504 posts)
8. I'm pretty sure the court's law clerks are reviewing them now ....................................
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 05:44 PM
Feb 27

or already have.

Ninga

(8,284 posts)
13. As I understand it, maybe, the phone records do not
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 06:04 PM
Feb 27

Show phone number to phone number, but that Wade’s number was pinged to a cell tower in the general area where Fani Wills was.
In the general area are clubs, restaurants, bars, movie theaters etc. He could have been anywhere.

oldmanlynn

(118 posts)
51. Not so fast.
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 12:28 AM
Feb 28

There has been no lie told. You have willis snd wade saying they started dating after he was hired. One disgruntled employee yeartie thinks it was earlier but she has motivation to tell a story and Bradley just said he didn’t actually see anything and was speculating.

I don’t see a lie and I don’t see any abuse of office or conflicts

MOMFUDSKI

(5,906 posts)
9. Weisman just said the judge is inexperienced
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 05:46 PM
Feb 27

and should have never even allowed this Shitshow to happen. Maybe a chastise behind the scenes for Fani at most. If judge wears a red hat on weekends we are screwed.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,386 posts)
43. He should have ruled last week that, worst case scenario, they took a couple vacations together
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 08:38 PM
Feb 27

Vacations that were not out of the ordinary for a couple of successful highly educated professionals.

Regardless of who paid, the vacations don’t even come close to some sort of financial incentive to bring the cases.

That’s the standard - there has to be a financial incentive for a financial conflict to exist. Are we supposed to believe Willis brought the multi-year multi-million dollar case so she could go to Belize? Nonsense.

Other than that there is no conflict as spelled out in the law or the case law. There is no forensic misconduct - which is the third reason listed for disqualification.

Based on the defense’s best case, there is no there there. The rest is all salacious nonsense.

Silent Type

(3,143 posts)
14. Unfortunately, it's highly unlikely the case will occur before election. It was unlikely even before this distraction.
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 06:05 PM
Feb 27

trump is still likely guilty. But considering this is a big case, the distraction shouldn't have happened.

Now that it has and the judge didn't handle it in chambers weeks ago, there is a real question whether trump will ever go to trial in Georgia. This should have been a slamdunk because we have trump on tape. But now it's a mess.

Wonder Why

(3,432 posts)
18. I disagree 100% with racial aspect. This is strictly a matter of a maniac and his high paid lawyers using any tactic
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 06:53 PM
Feb 27

to get his case dismissed because he is otherwise going to lose. No evidence it had anything to do with race as far as I can see even if others have used the racial aspects to promote more hate.

But in any case, the real blame belongs on the couple. How two highly intelligent people could not anticipate that this kind of trash would come out and that no matter how unrelated it is to their work or Trump's guilt is beyond me. It is more an example like so many in power that somehow nobody will see and if they do, nobody will care. "The media will never find out or report it if they do" went out in the '60s with Kennedy's peccadilloes.

I can only hope the judge will rightly decide that the trial should go forward but she has given Trump a great opportunity to delay the trial, create appeals and to sow doubt about the testimony (because of doubt about her) when he had absolutely no out left at all.

I'm sorry. She did it to herself. No ifs, ands or buts. I support her but that doesn't count. Trump and his sleazy lawyers have no morals but that is no excuse for making it easy for them to get away.

LuvLoogie

(7,100 posts)
30. Right?
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 07:44 PM
Feb 27

I mean, I just can't when a Ken Paxton still holds office while under indictment for the last eight years--

some folks' concerns about Ms. Willis notwithstanding.

Wonder Why

(3,432 posts)
45. Trump has attacked Smith, the white judges, everyone. Paxton is not a Trump target, not because
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 09:50 PM
Feb 27

he's white but because he is the target of honest people wanting justice, not a criminal demanding retribution. You can't compare the two.

Willis and Wade should have known that Trump and his lawyers would probably find out and blow it up. Had they mentioned up front of their relationship, it would have been a no brainer. But by letting Trump expose it, they look bad. I never said what they did was bad but looking like you are hiding something means that the other side can have a field day putting the worst light on the topic at the worst possible time. Obfuscation is an oft used Trump tool. All he wants or needs to do is to cast doubt and get one doubtful juror to look at the prosecutor instead of the evidence.

When Clarence the Clown was being vetted, his accuser, Anita Hill brought up his sexual harassment. What hurt her testimony, IMHO, was the fact that after she worked for him and he harassed her, he had changed jobs and then she followed him. Had her reasoning been explained up front, it might have made a big difference but coming out later made her testimony somewhat suspect and some people reserved judgement. The same with Willis and Wade. You know you have a private relationship with another person on the team and it will likely come out. Clear the air up front or your opposition will crucify you if they find out. That's something so many political figures just don't get.

Had they even brought it to the attention of the judge up front that this might be an impediment, he would have judged it to be unimportant or might have told them to break it off until the trial was over to avoid a potential conflict of interest or an impediment. In any case, it would no longer have been an issue Trump could use.

dpibel

(2,914 posts)
50. You think this is admissible?
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 11:31 PM
Feb 27

When you say, " All he wants or needs to do is to cast doubt and get one doubtful juror to look at the prosecutor instead of the evidence."

You believe there's going to be evidence of all this bullshit during the trial?

Or do you believe Willis' office can't do effective voir dire?

Also, you seem to be confused about what is being claimed here. Pretty sure no one in that courtroom is talking about "conflict of interest." Because there isn't one.

The claim at issue is, fantastically, misappropriation of funds, at its essence.

moniss

(4,274 posts)
52. As I have said elsewhere
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 01:24 AM
Feb 28

if anybody thinks that some of the various many defense lawyers, their clerks, their associates and their investigators aren't having relationships with each other or some of the defendants relatives etc. I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. It goes on all the time every day across the country and usually is no problem. My problem here is the judge, the trier of fact in this matter, holding a private meeting with a potential witness without the lawyers for the two sides being able to hear what is being proffered to the trier of fact. Then the supposed "important to hear from" witness, that was the judge's words, comes to the witness stand and has zilch other than "I don't know".

So somebody wants to apply a yardstick to conduct by parties for the prosecution but we are forbidden from being able to demand that the defense or the judge stand against that same yardstick. Unless everybody stands to that scrutiny then nobody stands to that scrutiny. That is called fair and equitable treatment and expectations and is what is supposed to be the rule in a court.

Wonder Why

(3,432 posts)
58. When Trump's lawyers try to use it to get him off, the judge, unfortunatelt, has to cross every "t"
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 10:27 AM
Feb 28

and dot every "I" to avoid any chance of a conviction but on hold or overturned by Trump's friends on SCOTUS.

We both hope this is disposed of quickly.

Yes, I agree that parties all the time are in relationships they prefer not to make public but then again, how many of them are prosecutors with a critical case against Trump? Smith? Letitia James? All the judges (except Cannon who is on his side) in his cases? Anyone else?

You don't believe that Sleazy's sleazy lawyers haven't tried to find "dirt" on them? Sorry. I just don't see the evidence that this is a racial issue.

moniss

(4,274 posts)
59. Believe me the black people living in those
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 10:55 AM
Feb 28

states have seen this all before over and over. It may not appear like it because it is not overt enough but black people know how this all goes and what is really behind it. They are familiar with a system that comes after them and how it's done. They can see this a mile away in the dead of night with their eyes closed.

LuvLoogie

(7,100 posts)
26. Lighten up, Francis.
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 07:34 PM
Feb 27


I can't get worked up over the GOP faux outrage of the moment. Go tell it to Politico.

ShazzieB

(16,739 posts)
32. No.
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 07:47 PM
Feb 27

Just NO. They did absolutely nothing wrong. That's why they weren't worried about this coming out, and it's why they thought no one would care if it did.

They did nothing wrong, and the fact that TSF's shysters are using this big, fat nothingburger to delay the the trial is what is scandalous. This foofaraw shouldn't even be happening, because THEY DID NOTHING WRONG.

bluestarone

(17,205 posts)
19. My way of thinking, The judge has to be shown 100% proof of wrongdoing.
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 06:53 PM
Feb 27

He was NOT showed any proof. Just circumstantial evidence. The only way for him to take this case away from Fani Willis. Shame on him if he does.

Tickle

(2,644 posts)
33. If indeed Fani and Wade lied under oath, it's escalating into a criminal matter.
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 07:49 PM
Feb 27

This is a significant issue that warrants serious attention.

MichMan

(12,029 posts)
56. I'm attempting to explain that 100% proof is not the legal standing in a hearing like this.
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 09:34 AM
Feb 28

My reply was to a poster that said the judge had to have 100% proof. That isn't true. My post had zero to do with the believability of any one witness, nor this specific case. The judge is going to consider all the testimony given and make a judgement based on that.

Sorry

birdographer

(1,394 posts)
24. Just more of Donny managing to duck and dodge
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 07:30 PM
Feb 27

If this were a trial for you or me having committed treason, I seriously doubt anybody would care about the personal lives of the legal professionals involved, no matter what color. But it's TSF.

ShazzieB

(16,739 posts)
27. JFC, this is STILL going on?
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 07:35 PM
Feb 27

I had no idea. How much longer are they going to drag this out?

As my grandma (who was born in Georgia) used to say, "Lord have mercy!"

SouthernDem4ever

(6,618 posts)
40. Unfortunately, most of the people I know that vote for trump use racism and/or bigotry as their first reason
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 08:07 PM
Feb 27

The rest of it is states rights, hate the libs, etc etc and all the bs they hear on fux nooze.

DemocraticPatriot

(4,568 posts)
44. Federal troops need to march through the MAGAt half of Georgia, AGAIN....
Tue Feb 27, 2024, 08:50 PM
Feb 27

1. Bring the good old bugle, boys
We’ll sing another song
Sing it with a spirit that will
Start the world along
Sing it as we used to sing it
Fifty thousand strong[N 1]
While we were marching through Georgia

Chorus:
“Hurrah! Hurrah! we bring the jubilee![N 2]
Hurrah! Hurrah! the flag that makes you free!”
So we sang the chorus from Atlanta to the sea
While we were marching through Georgia




I am proud to state that two of my ancestors were with General Sherman,
when he took Atlanta, and then marched through the state to Savannah...



 

shwanrob

(3 posts)
54. Not about Race
Wed Feb 28, 2024, 04:01 AM
Feb 28

Not every thing is about race. As it seems to be on this site. As a Black person The Georgia Shyt show as you call it has nothing to do with race.It has more to do with stupidity.If you know you will be prosecuting the Fake Christiian and Repubs God.Why hire someone to be lead prosecutor that you are sleeping with.To bad most politicians can't be like President Obama.Live a scandal free life. The biggest scandal of eight years of President Obama was wearing a tan suit .Why give the Republican noise machine.Something to whine about.

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