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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTed Lieu re -SCOTUS action: if the trial is delayed until after November, we will see THE LARGEST BLUE WAVE IN HISTORY.
If November becomes a referendum on whether Trump faces justice, then Democrats will absolutely flip the House, keep the White House and expand the Senate.
Link to tweet
Lovie777
(12,499 posts)Kid Berwyn
(15,231 posts)And that D would serve to end tyranny.
RussBLib
(9,068 posts)...in contrast to the gnashing of teeth and vitriol here since the SCOTUS decided to take up the immunity case.
Tell ya what, if the SCOTUS decides that Traitor Trump HAS total immunity, I will definitely join the Bronx Cheer Chorus, and more.
https://russblib.blogspot.com/?m=1
agingdem
(7,891 posts)is a thing than it's a thing for Joe Biden...and the SC greatly limited the scope of Trump's brief...they threw out all of his arguments except one...can he commit crimes in office with no accountability...not really a win for Trump, just more delay shit...
peppertree
(21,806 posts)Argentina - which is known for its history of coups - can trace its first one to a 1930 Supreme Court ruling that legalized them.
And they're still doing it, in a way - allowing Trump's Chucky doll Milei to rule by decree (disastrously) without intervening.
It's a cautionary tale of the slippery slope that a nation can easily find itself in , at the hands of what Jefferson called "despots in robes."
Kennah
(14,387 posts)agingdem
(7,891 posts)I tend to imbue human-like qualities in John Roberts because he is obsessed with his legacy...my mistake
Kennah
(14,387 posts)calimary
(81,649 posts)JoseBalow
(2,705 posts)would smell as sweet
jalan48
(13,936 posts)Biden could win the popular vote by 20 million and still lose the election. I'm sure the newest iteration of Cambridge Analytics is already at work identifying those areas for the Republicans.
PTL_Mancuso
(276 posts)That's how we wreck the USA in the Merry Old GOPeeze
(apologies to the 1939 Wizard of Oz and to lovers of good rhymes everywhere)
paleotn
(18,041 posts)But those 3 are essentially controlled by Dems. Disenfranchise voters in GA, AZ or NC, while tragic and wrong, is meaningless in the electoral college math. MI, PA and WI are the only states that matter. GA and AZ were icing on Biden's cake.
The magic math of the last several cycles is still there. What happens in most states is a forgone conclusion.
Fortunately, the governors all 3 are Dems. Sec. States of 2 are Dems. PA's Sec State is an R, but appointed by a Dem governor, refused to participate in the 2020 shenanigans as an R city commissioner in Philly and was awarded the Presidential Citizens Medal by Joe Biden. Though WI's legislature is controlled by R's, MI and PA are either Dem controlled of split. In short, we're in better shape in that regard than 2020.
jalan48
(13,936 posts)Oneironaut
(5,556 posts)Everyone should vote anyways.
However, no one actually cares about this trial irl. Most people dont even know its happening. It could even be cancelled and no one would care.
People need to just vote instead. You arent going to get them to the polls from this.
agingdem
(7,891 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 29, 2024, 11:45 AM - Edit history (1)
Trump lost the 2020 election to Joe Biden...the insurrection/fake electors occurred AFTER the election...trial delays will not win Trump the election...
Calista241
(5,586 posts)Hardcore Dems are the only people that give a shit about this. This November will 100% be a referendum on Joe Biden, like every other 1st term President seeking re-election in history.
In the grand scheme of things, this case is moving to SCOTUS at light speed. There have been just a handful of cases that have moved as fast or faster than this case.
tableturner
(1,692 posts)Sanity Claws
(21,870 posts)It concerns actions prior to taking office and thus the issue of immunity does not affect it.
It comes on the heel of the disgorgement trial and E Jean Carrol's trials.
Deminpenn
(15,310 posts)material Smith is using for the federal prosecution.
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)tfg" so what if I incited an insurrection, I'm the POTUS, and I say what, I say when, I say who, I say where..as an OFFICIAL act.."
America "NO, and HELL NO, inciting an insurrection is NOT an OFFICIAL act"
JohnSJ
(92,599 posts)on the MSM outlets, unless Biden and Democrats start coming out more frequently and aggressively, I think we have a problem.
That is the only way to counter this, more visibility and pushback.
Mr. Mustard 2023
(124 posts)to a point only because of red states' ability to overturn elections now. Yes they can if "government" thinks the election is wonky or some B.S.
Still, we Dems will win every honest state and maybe even GA and NC, and victory.
Can't relax in any way as you all know.
Be well and enjoy your day. You are allowed to have some enjoyment, don't ever forget that.
flying_wahini
(6,758 posts)Of course his own wife does the scheduling for SCOTUS. Right?
Correct me if Im wrong.
Ms. Toad
(34,177 posts)His wife is a legal recruiter, matching lawyers with law firms.
dchill
(38,675 posts)...in Clarence's ear. And there's your schedule!
FarPoint
(12,504 posts)The political corruption smells like ripe road-kill.....We just have to get the message out on a daily basis....and GOTV....
Wounded Bear
(58,832 posts)Wednesdays
(17,548 posts)But it won't happen if we sit on our hands...remember 2016! GOTV! (See my sig line.)
IrishAfricanAmerican
(3,832 posts)VMA131Marine
(4,161 posts)then POTUS Biden has total immunity too, not that he needs it. Does SCOTUS really know what they are getting themselves into here.
Texin
(2,600 posts)But it's my opinion that this SC is completely decimating the traditional norms and creating an environment in which they can create a forever stranglehold on power for the elite and their ilk.
Trust_Reality
(1,727 posts)when the POTUS does have immunity. In other words, they want to write some law. Arrogant scumballs.
LittleGirl
(8,292 posts)What if Biden has 45 arrested and thrown in jail? Total immunity.
What if Biden has 45 ....fill in the blank. Total immunity.
What they don't realize is that it works for every potus, not just him. Biden could become evil but he's too good of a person to become that but what if he could?
Texin
(2,600 posts)and who would stop him if he's "immune"?
I'm hopeful we'll get a decision on this matter by the end of SCOTUS's session in June, but I'm not overly optimistic that it will happen then. And I'm even less optimistic about their so-called decision. If they were going to definitively rule out his immunity claims, they could have (SHOULD HAVE) stayed the Appeals court's decision. By agreeing to take it up, they're allowing him to continue his one man crime spree unimpeded and with permission. And does anyone here believe that they'd decide against him and therefore cause catastrophic chaos in the rethug party by creating a situation where their putative nominee could face a criminal prosecution prior to the so-called election?
OhioTim
(259 posts)and may never see another D in my lifetime. Montana is tough along with Arizona and Maryland.
Johnny2X2X
(19,402 posts)Are people forgetting that?
angrychair
(8,771 posts)But he could not be more wrong.Why do we expect "voters" to save us? They were the people that created the problems in the first place.
People don't care. I'm supposed to depend on voters that elected trump in the first place?!? That gave us Boebert? Jordan? Gaetz?
Voters are fickle and ignorant. Michigan showed that. A hundred thousand people decided that Trump as president is just fine to them. Before people say "it was just a primary" I would point to the hundreds of statements that they won't vote for Biden in November because of Gaza. Even heard some of these be people dismissive of the deaths and suffering Trump will cause as "that's the lesson people have to learn" I heard a person say. Which proves it was never about Gaza but people demanding others do as they tell them.
I think we need a fundamental reworking of how we do government. How we do our economy. It was always fragile but few, even just 20 years ago, would have thought it was this fragile.The system we have has completely failed to prevent fascists and ultra-wealthy from all but seizing power. The system is broken.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,656 posts)LudwigPastorius
(9,325 posts)An informed electorate, which is a pillar of democracy, has been sacrificed to the corporate canard of "global competitiveness".
Joinfortmill
(14,580 posts)especially non magat conservatives.
republianmushroom
(14,029 posts)anamnua
(1,137 posts)Why not turn this negative into a positive?
Direct all this angry energy into getting the fence-sitters and uncommitted into the Biden camp for November rather than into futile gnashing of teeth.
From Irish-based politico.
Wild blueberry
(6,689 posts)With all our help. Will be working my utmost between now and November 5.
Roc2020
(1,620 posts)of the GOP. That all this with Roe, Trump, Racism, Trials, etc etc...will cause such a turnout it gives the DEMS rule over all three branches of government. Yes Dems are terrified of Trump being re-elected, but I think the GOP is more terrified of DEMS total rule scenario.
PTL_Mancuso
(276 posts)Gotta remain positive! A 3-way sweep gives us a fighting chance of righting the GOP-sabotaged, seriously listing, Ship of State.
OverBurn
(978 posts)Jose Garcia
(2,612 posts)niyad
(114,186 posts)Martin68
(23,052 posts)yellowdogintexas
(22,300 posts)I have never alerted on anyone. Please do not take action about this post It is a marvelous post
Ford_Prefect
(7,954 posts)Both methods work. 1 requires the option to demonstrate what the truth is to one and all. 2 requires the will to confront the bully in person for as long as it takes.
IMO we do not have the time nor the option to use the 2nd method. Therefore we must apply the 1st at every single opportunity, and insist that the MSM do likewise.
Silver Gaia
(4,553 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,626 posts)I got love in my tummy!
But call me skeptical. But of course it would stop TSF whining for a bit.
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