At 18, tyler boebert is a legal adult. yet so many are saying "kid". The

[niyad]

framing is deliberate. The murdering menendez brothers were called "boys". Trayvon Martin, age 17, legally a minor child, was called a scary black man. Minor victims of sexual assault are called "underage women", an insane oxymoron.

The words we use are important. The words being used to us are important.

[Aviation Pro]

1. Well, Motherfucker still calls his whelps "children" when the need arises

I'm talking about Duh Jr., the Spare Moron and Princess Sparkle Pony. Tiff is pretty much an afterthought to the adjudicated rapist.

[BigmanPigman]

9. They also call them "boys"

Since when are middle aged men "boys"? Both the right and left wing leaning media reporting is guilty of this.

[jimfields33]

12. We've restructured the entire basis of adulthood.

No drinking, smoking until 21. Can be on parents healthcare to 27. Can’t rent a car until 25. Yes using child is not far fetched. We as a society did it to ourselves.

[B.See]

57. And the crimes they commit, pranks...

.. it's called PRIVILEGE.

[BigmanPigman]

64. Or else they use silly words like "shenanigans"

which are easily brushed off as not serious crimes. It makes my blood boil.

[niyad]

74. Yes.

[niyad]

73. Yes.

[niyad]

22. A perfect example.

[Hekate]

2. Well spotted

[niyad]

21. Thank you. It makes me crazy, knowing what the intent is.

[bucolic_frolic]

3. Is this OP trying to tell me

that Boeberts reach adulthood? Ignoring all evidence to the contrary?

[drmeow]

6. No, this OP is trying to tell you

that the media manipulates you into considering girls and black boys to be more mature, more responsible for their actions, and more deserving of an adult fate than white boys of the same age.

[niyad]

20. Thank you!

[LoisB]

54. Always.

[uponit7771]

84. This

[niyad]

19. I said that tyler is a LEGAL adult.

[Eliot Rosewater]

29. In fairness to the poster I think they were making a joke about

Such a person being an adult, when they are anything but.

Reminds me of how I would love to ask Donald Trump five basic business questions in front of a maga crowd, not that it would matter, he would not know the answer to any of them and any person at any level of business including an assistant manager at a 7 Eleven convenience store would know the answers to these questions.

[niyad]

30. Yes, I think you are quite correct, both about the poster's intent, and about

TRAITOR**'s, lack of knowledge.

[Eliot Rosewater]

32. My stepdaughter recently entered into her first lesbian relationship and in her 40s

And her girlfriend is a highly educated executive in the medical field and an accomplished musician. Stepdaughter has been known to be easily influenced by right wingers because of her love of country music and lack of education though recently she has gotten some medical education in that she is a nurse's assistant, but her girlfriend I was worried was she one of those that supported Trump and I found out at a dinner last night, thank to God, that she despises trump as much as I do and that made my day.

These Women are not safe, because they are Women and they are Gay. Their actual lives are in danger, as are all Women and all Gay/Trans. This is a fact.

Some of us have been sounding the alarm for a long time, some of us called trmp a traitor 6 yrs ago only to be talked down to because Didn't we know the meaning of the word treason Etcetera. Or suggesting that of course Epstein was murdered and he did not kill himself was met with ridicule, surely we had to believe the story trump wasn't capable of that or his maga crowd weren't, sigh.

And then recently the immediate kick back when we criticize Garland, who may be one of the main reasons this democracy fails.

I even remember once suggesting that Maga would be OK with thousands of us being killed or dying and I was yelled at and called absolutely irresponsible. Of course I was proven right when maga hoped that more Black people in blue states would die from COVID Etcetera. And if maga could put all of us in prison or deport us, who here will tell me that is ridiculous?

[getagrip_already]

82. I keep trying to remind people that magas intend to deport citizens...

Right after they legally strip them of their citizenship for reasons (LGBT, dem, non Christian, whatever).

Mass deportations are not just for undocumented aliens. They will bag, tag, and ship anyone they don't like.

That's if they don't kill them outright.

[Johonny]

4. FOX news still treats the Trump kids like minors

[niyad]

17. yes

[Eliot Rosewater]

86. And all MSM treats any con with tremendous kit gloves vs practically outright contempt for any non con.

[ripcord]

5. We should listen to Fetterman on this

Unless we are prepared talk about and accept hoping for the worst to happen to all 18 year olds who break the law.

[niyad]

18. What did he say?

[Hekate]

24. Basically asked us to stop the "recreational cruelty"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218729893

[MsLeopard]

25. He said

the piling on of Bobert was “recreational cruelty.” Here’s a link https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218729893

[ForgoTheConsequence]

35. No we shouldn't

She has spent her career giving parenting advice from her bully pulpit. The MAN robbed a woman with a brain tumor, stealing her last 75 dollars. She needs to get her house in order and shut the fuck up and he needs to go to prison.

[Skittles]

53. THANK YOU

these fucking hypocrites routinely judge the morals of others - FUCK them

[ripcord]

60. So this is how we should treat all 18 year olds going forward?

How progressive of you.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

69. No he should get a slap on the wrist.

And the woman with brain cancer who was robbed of her last few dollars should bear the burden of the crime by an entitled white adult male.

How progressive of you!

[ripcord]

71. He will get a slap on the wrist

Due to protections put in place by liberals to keep young offenders lives from being ruined. He deserves the same opportunities as any other defendant regardless of how you feel about his mother.

[Keepthesoulalive]

81. Somehow that is not how this works

If he was Black or Hispanic he would be called a thug and shown no mercy , he would be tried as an adult. Because he’s white he gets the benefit of the doubt and sympathy.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

85. When is the last time you have been to prison?

I've been to both jail and prison and it's full of young men. Justice isn't color blind.

[sheshe2]

7. You are 100% correct, niyad.

[niyad]

16. Thank you. It makes me ill every time I see the different, intentional,

framing.

[Irish_Dem]

8. The GOP showed Hunter Biden porn on the floor of Congress.

But we are supposed to give GOP adult children a complete pass when they commit real crimes.

Nope.

[niyad]

15. EXACTLY!

[Cha]

10. Boebert's Adult son..

Link to tweet

[niyad]

14. Thank you.

[keithbvadu2]

11. Fully adult Monica was called a child by republicans... Gaetz' 17 year old suddenly became a young woman.

[niyad]

13. EXACTLY.

[spike jones]

31. Years ago, the fourteen-year-old girl that was raped and killed in Iraq by American soldiers was described as

a “young woman” by the army. Before that, during the Clinton-Lewinsky investigation, one news person described Lewinsky as a “woman/child.”

[niyad]

42. I remember both of those instances.

[TheKentuckian]

23. I get what you are saying but while not children

young adults are conversationally "kids" to the long in the tooth.

Having been 16, 17, 18 there isn't that much difference. One 15 year old may be more mature than the 19 year old next to them despite the difference in legal status.

If your parents are still able to carry you on their major medical, you might at least sorta be a kid.

[Cha]

26. Fred Guttenberg: Let me Understand this...

Link to tweet

[niyad]

34. You got it correct, Fred.

[onecaliberal]

27. He's an actual thug. Lock him up.

Isn’t that what they do to people there. Tough on crime. Sounds like a violent crime.

[niyad]

33. He didn't even get a tap on the wrist for the traffic incident, prior to

this spree.

[onecaliberal]

37. It's not like he was walking home with skittles and tea. THAT would have been bad.

[niyad]

43. Exactly!

[marble falls]

28. The use of "kid" with this very active criminal sticks in my craw. This isn't even his first go around ...

... the criminal law process.

[phxjurist]

36. Kid?

Will this "kid" still be able to own a gun?

[niyad]

39. Have you seen the gun his mother gave him? Remember that christmas card?

I am guessing that he will still be armed.

[JoseBalow]

63. Not if he is convicted of a felony

[former9thward]

38. I don't know anything about Tyler Boebert.

But if you are living with your parents (not caring for them, spare me the lectures) you are a kid no matter your age. If you are on your parents health or car insurance you are a kid.

[niyad]

40. tyler is legally an adult. And you completely ignored the point of the OP.

[former9thward]

41. Are we a court here?

I did not know that. Sorry....

[ripcord]

61. I think the point of this circle jerk is to try and say Tyler should be treated worse because of who his mother is

I see a lot of very small, revenge minded people in this thread.

[Polybius]

65. I've always acted years younger than my age

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Now it's fine, but trust me, when I was 18, 19, and 20, I was 100% a kid.

[niyad]

66. The point was about framing the narrative, not about how some people act.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

58. I read he was out stealing for his mother. She's the credit card/ID theft ring leader. A modern day Fagin.

[Martin68]

44. An 18-year-old" is still a kid. The legal definition of adult is just a threshold for certain rights,

such as driving. Trayvon Martin was a kid, and most people entirely understand that. Yes, people use words to manipulate the truth, but Taylor Boebert is a kid.

[niyad]

45. tyler. and way to miss the point.

[Martin68]

46. Looks like you never got the point in spite of suggesting that Trayvon Martin was a kid. Lotsa points on

hypocrisy, dude.

[niyad]

47. I was not "suggesting" that Trayvon was a kid. As I clearly stated, legally,

at 17, he was a minor child. But continue ignoring the points.

And, as most posters here know, I am not a "dude".

[Martin68]

75. A "dude" is just a good person in my parlance. What does it mean in yours? I'm sorry, but I really don't get your

"point." Could you clarify please?

[niyad]

77. In standard dictionaries, "dude" refers to males. I do not speak

contemporary slang, or, apparently, your parlance. Therefore, there is no communication possible.

[Martin68]

80. How easily you dismiss and forego the possibility of communication. One might almost assume that was never your

intention considering how hard you work to avoid it. You sound smug, self-assured, and very insecure. Good luck with that, my friend. Oh, I apologize, that is probably not in your vocabulary either.

[Skittles]

52. I was in the military when I was 18

EIGHTEEN IS AN ADULT

[jimfields33]

79. Maybe. But why restrictions on alcohol and tobacco?

Why can you be on your parents health care to 27. Can’t rent a car until 25. I think adulthood is now almost 30. Yes some go into the military but it’s a small percentage.

[Retrograde]

48. Republicans and their progeny

don't reach maturity until they're in their 40s, at least Before that, it's all "youthful indiscretions".

Caution: if you're not related to a prominent Republican, this extra 20+ years of youthful passes doesn't apply to you.

[niyad]

49. Sadly, you are quite correct.

[Skittles]

50. I was in the military at that age

HE IS AN ADULT

[niyad]

51. Yes!

[NNadir]

55. Thank you for that important point.

[niyad]

56. You are most welcome.

[dlk]

59. Calling adult males "boys" discounts and minimizes their actions

The idea that “boys will be boys,” too often gives bad behavior a pass. Tyler Boebert is a man and should be treated as such.

[niyad]

62. Thank you.

[Silent Type]

67. At least "kid" seems to put a bit more blame/resentment on mombert.

Just as soon leave kids and grown up offspring out of most political discussion.

[niyad]

68. Sexual predator father blamed it on covid shutdown.

[malaise]

70. Not me

Lock him up

[niyad]

72. Yes!!!

[kimbutgar]

76. Can you imagine the outrage if it was a Democratic congressman's child?

[niyad]

78. We would still be hearing the screaming. Look how quickly tyler disappeared.

And how suddenly silent the Rifle mouth is.

[Think. Again.]

83. It isn't, and it is, a clear-cut issue...

Isn't clear cut;

Laws against drinking and smoking at certain ages are based on the medical effects of substances on developing physiology, car rental ages are based on the number of accidents of inexperienced drivers who have only been driving a few years, health insurance ages are based on the rcent lack of solid employment compensation offered to everyone these days. There are specific reasons for various "adult" thresholds that have nothing to do with personal maturity.

Is clear-cut;

We can not adapt the justice system, or any other 'legal' classifications to each individual defendant or person and so a median age of responsibility has to be established. The concept of "trying as an adult" or not is one way the justice system does try to compensate for the very different maturity levels reached by different offenders at that age, but the overall classification must exist at some given age.


Tyler Boebert is INDEED a legal adult in the eyes of the justice system and as such must be prosecuted and, if found guilty, sentenced accordingly. But, in my opinion, he is NOT a psychological or emotional adult yet (some people never get there), and that is certainly not due to any fault of his own.

All of that said, I ABSOLUTELY agree with the OP's assessment of the semantic manipulation that the media and our society uses to protect certain people and harm others, and that manipulation goes far, far beyond just the legal age of maturity.