Do you suppose white evangelicals ever look at themselves in the mirror and wonder...

[Girard442]

...whatever happened to "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself" and "Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword", or "For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in"?

[Irish_Dem]

1. No. And they don't feel guilty as they hear about women dying a painful death

with septic pregnancies.

These evangelicals are heartless sociopaths.
They use their religion to torment, torture and control others.

[DBoon]

4. They smile when they think of the "wicked" being punished by their god

[Irish_Dem]

7. Same as the Salem witch trials.

And all the other religious atrocities.

[Lovie777]

2. No..............................

gawd favors them.

[ForgedCrank]

3. I also

sometimes wonder, do people who bash us Christians ever look in a mirror.
They are curious questions for sure.

[calguy]

6. I see very little 'Christian' bashing

but I've seen 'Christians' bashing anything and anyone for as long as I've been born. I saw it going on the the church I was born into, which is why I left them, along with so many others.

[ForgedCrank]

16. They have

eye doctors for that.
There is a continual stream of Christian bashing at this place and I'm mostly shocked that it is allowed to go on like it does. Most all of it tactically hidden by a transparent veil by calling it "Christofascist". It's very sad to see such hate here on DU.

[calguy]

17. I don't need rose-colored glasses to see reality

Instead of complaining about 'Christo-facsists' being called out for what they are, how about explaining how they're not?
https://democraticunderground.com/100218735599

[ForgedCrank]

20. It is

the premise of not spreading hatred, which is being done here and allowed to happen. It appears as if you support that.
I don't agree with anyone on every subject, but I don't belittle them for holding countering beliefs. Folks can have a bone to pick with Christians, it doesn't affect me. But to spread actual hate goes against everything Democrats preach. It seems there are rules, but it's Ok to have exceptions as long as they are popular. I don't believe in that, and I'm voicing my opinion on the matter. I find it extremely hateful, not to mention hurtful.
The play words are "christofascist" and "evangelicals", but it is very clear that in almost all references, it is regarding pretty much all Christians. I'm not stupid.
I also don't believe you don't see it going on. I just think you agree with it. Nothing wrong with that, but I'd have the stones to admit it at least. Sort of like I'm doing right now. I disagree with a lot of stuff, but I agree with people here a lot more than otherwise. It's counterproductive to spread hate across a significant portion of the Democratic voter base. I'm here to tell you, it's a big turn-off.
You can care about that, or you can hate. I'm just stating the facts here, it does damage, and it's not civil.
I'm not the lock-step type. If I'm not welcome to be here as a Democrat, someone needs to say it. Right now, it most certainly feels like I am quite unwelcome to be a part of this movement.

[calguy]

21. Sorry, but I don't see the 'hate' thst you seem to

Explain how Franklin Graham is not a Christo-facsist.

[ForgedCrank]

22. I never

said he wasn't.
I'm talking about blanket hatred and you are dodging that point.
But that's ok. We know where each other stands

[calguy]

24. Your 'blanket hatred' terminolgy

Is about as accurate as trump's immigrant 'crime wave' garbage.
I don't look down on individual Christians who practice their faith and allow others to practice theirs.
It's the rampant hypocrisy that dominates church leaders that is and should be criticized in public.
They should stay out of politics or lose their tax- exempt status they've enjoyed for generations.

[ForgedCrank]

30. Ones religious

rights are not dependent on their willingness to abandon their other right to free speech. We live in a country where individuals are protected by The Constitution, not the whims of the party in power or the opinions of others.
There's a reason government isn't allowed to tax churches. If they were afforded that power, they could selectively overtax the ones who refuse to "stay out of politics". I'm sure everyone can see where that could be an issue, well, unless they have some hatred for religions and would wish to destroy them because they might carry contrary political opinions on certain subjects. But that sounds a little 1933-ish to me. I doubt anyone here would think that way.

[calguy]

39. If your faith was actually that strong

You wouldn't be so easily offended just because the flaws in church leadership are rightly publicly criticized. Just because they tell you you're being persecuted, doesn't mean you are.

[ForgedCrank]

40. I'ts a

good thing you understand my faith and the reasons I'm doing it wrong.
Not sure what I'd do without you

[calguy]

42. See Ya...

[qwlauren35]

23. I see it.

It is safer to be non-christian here than to be Christian. The non-christians are very quick to speak up and shut down anything that is pro-christian. For example, if you have a friend who is Christian, you should be able to wish them a Merry Christmas.

If a town has a referendum on a ballot that there will be a Christmas tree in the town square and the referendum passes by an overwhelming 90 % it should be okay for the tree to go up.

The minority should always fight for inclusion and to have their needs met. But I see a push to silence the Christian majority, and frequently mock their faith. I think that's wrong.

Now there is one thing I struggle with, and that is where to put creationism in the curriculum. I don't think it belongs in a science class. But in a world religion class yes. And I think world religion should be a high school elective.

I am with you ForgedCrank. I am Buddhist but, I like to think of myself as a Christian ally. And I like a lot of the things taught by Jesus of Nazareth.

[Tickle]

36. Thank you and forgedcrank

Things can get challenging being a Christian on DU at times. I thank you for your support.

[calguy]

43. If you don't like those posts and think they should be removed...

You can always send an alert to get that post removed if a jury agrees with you. DU is a self-governed, Democratic website, where we all have the same rights to speak our minds.

[Marthe48]

11. I have faith, but I don't have religion

There's a big difference. I felt faith when I was very young and I am grateful. I imagine a lot of people go to church trying to find what was given to me, and they never get it. The faith I have allows me to be the person I am.

The faith I have felt since I was 5 is not a bit like the religion the oppressors force on us.

[redqueen]

12. I bash all religions equally.

But only a few religious people.

[vanlassie]

33. So are you a white evangelical? Also known as

an Evangelical Supremacist?
Because I’m pretty sure those referenced by the OP are never, ever Democrats…. But you tell me if I’m wrong.

[ForgedCrank]

35. Look around,

I'm getting chastised for pointing out hatred and saying that it is wrong.
Read the other posts. You think this is an anomaly? Are we going to play gotcha with hair-splitting?
I'm not into that. But thanks.

edit
and of course not. I don't believe in anyone's "supremacy". I wouldn't be here if I did. I believe in civility and respect for others. Hate is unacceptable

[herding cats]

37. Religion is sort of like living in a red state.

I've seen this said over and over again how mean people are to Christians here. It's only marginally true. Yes, fundamentalist are by a majority not well received. Any extremist views are not going to be welcome here, such as how the Methodists church is having a sad moment were some are leaving the main doctrine to embrace bigotry they think is embraced by their god. It's sad to witness.

If your faith is inclusive and loving, live it and shine your light. Don't worry about ugly people who share your religion being called out for being ugly and focus on being a light. Change how people view Christianity.

Thing is, I'm a Democrat who lives in Texas. I've been ostracized and vilified by a minority my entire time here. Back in the day, when I was new, people judged, personally, me by my geographical location. That rarely happens anymore.

I just keep working hard to change where I live and ignore all the hate. i know I bear the brunt of the burden and change will never happen without people like me. Which doesn't mean Texas isn't a horrifying political cesspit. It is. I feel ashamed when people call it out in a general fashion, but I know it's not personal toward me. It's corrupt and deserves to be called out.

Sort of like how Christians should feel about Christianity when the ugly people who are trying to remove the separation of church and state and working to make this nation a theocracy are being vilified and called out for their disgusting actions. It's not you personally, but there is a very real movement out there to push the country toward a religious theocracy and it's not just on the shoulders of the non religious people to call them out. Actually, it's probably more on the shoulders of the sane and normal Christian people to fight this horror than anyone.

Edit to add:
I just saw where Tuberville just said "immigrants know nothing about God." Seriously, a seated US Senator just invoked some asinine crap about religion in the framing of the border issue. That right there is who you need to be angry at and need to organize a rebuttal against. This theocratic crap is being exploited by the Republicans and sane Christians need to not let it go unchallenged.

[JI7]

5. This assumes they were different/ better than what they are now

[BlueKota]

8. No

I had a friend who was studying to be a priest in college. He noted that most of the evangelicals he encountered were fond of quoting the old testament, but rarely ever mentioned quotes from the new testament, which for believers is the one supposed to be based on what Jesus taught. The very guy who put the Christ in Christian! I have always found that a very interesting observation.

Some of the them apparently don't even think the 10 commandments apply to them as they seem to be putting what Mr. Golden Sneaker Showers tells them over what God and Jesus asked of the faithful.

[JanMichael]

9. Most never think that.

[LakeArenal]

10. I always think they will rot in hell of their beliefs.

So I do what they should do:

Let their omnipotent god take care of his sinners, and leave the driving to god.

[redqueen]

13. No.

They're forgiven / saved / whatever word that excuses everything they do because Jesus.

[Caliman73]

14. No. Because their ideology is more political than religious.

The religion is simply the justification of their actions in executing their political agenda.

They want power. They think that their god favors their viewpoint and supports their actions. They think that anything they do is condoned by their god.

They claim biblical support, but they ignore or "interpret" anything that might disagree with their desires into something that supports their point of view.

You are approaching this from a rational or humanistic point of view. You can't. Their views are not rational. They are completely emotion driven and do not factor in logic, reason, morality, or ethics.

[Deuxcents]

15. In a word..No.

[Blue Idaho]

18. The more the modern Christian church

Turns to a doctrine of Christian Nationalism - the less I care about what they think or believe. I say tax all the churches and rebuild the wall between church and state.

[budkin]

19. No

They are selfish and deluded people with no ability for introspection.

[orthoclad]

25. Hell

No

[ChoppinBroccoli]

26. No, Because The Talibangelical Bible Only Contains 2 Pages

Hate gays, and hate abortions. The end.

Also, looking in the mirror and questioning yourself requires the intellectual capacity for introspection. If they had that, they wouldn't be Talibangelicals to begin with.

[Orrex]

27. They look in the mirror and see their god

When they're not prostrating themselves before their supreme god Trump, of course.

[karynnj]

28. They may not see the contradiction

In their own lives, they may see themselves as good husbands, wife's, mothers, fathers, friends and neighbors. WITHIN their own bubble, they might be all these things and may believe they are living according to their values. Within their bubble, they will actually get their ideas reinforced.

Occasionally, they will face a contradiction. What if a loved child or grandchild seeks an abortion or comes out as gay? Many are very successful in compartmentalizing their loved one's situation and their political/religious values.

I doubt they see their side as wrong. So, when they look in the mirror, they see a good person doing the best they can.

[GaYellowDawg]

29. Of course they don't.

One thing that evangelicals never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never do is second-guess themselves when it comes to religion.

[unblock]

31. They can't tell the difference between religion and a football game.

It's all about which side you're on and winning by any means necessary. The bible to them is just a cudgel to hit heathens with.

[walkingman]

32. I will never understand how "grab em by the pussy" wasn't the end of it. Evangelicals??

[sakabatou]

34. No. In fact, I doubt they think of those verses.

[no_hypocrisy]

38. No, b/c they're a different breed of Christian.

They don't see Jesus as the benevolent, loving Savior of the soul. Jesus has a sword that swings in vengeance and retribution.

These are not the Jesus Freaks we knew in the halls of high school 50 years ago when Jesus was seen as a hippie who advocated peace and love.

[Conjuay]

41. which briings us to the question-

can they even SEE their own reflections?