Voters Doubt Biden's Leadership and Favor Trump, Times/Siena Poll Finds (NYT)

[dalton99a]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/02/us/politics/biden-trump-times-siena-poll.html

https://archive.ph/KrPBy

Voters Doubt Biden’s Leadership and Favor Trump, Times/Siena Poll Finds
The share of voters who strongly disapprove of President Biden’s handling of his job has reached 47 percent, higher than in Times/Siena polls at any point in his presidency.
By Shane Goldmacher
March 2, 2024, 5:03 a.m. ET

President Biden is struggling to overcome doubts about his leadership inside his own party and broad dissatisfaction over the nation’s direction, leaving him trailing behind Donald J. Trump just as their general-election contest is about to begin, a new poll by The New York Times and Siena College has found.

With eight months left until the November election, Mr. Biden’s 43 percent support lags behind Mr. Trump’s 48 percent in the national survey of registered voters.

Only one in four voters think the country is moving in the right direction. More than twice as many voters believe Mr. Biden’s policies have personally hurt them as believe his policies have helped them. A majority of voters think the economy is in poor condition. And the share of voters who strongly disapprove of Mr. Biden’s handling of his job has reached 47 percent, higher than in Times/Siena polls at any point in his presidency.

The poll offers an array of warning signs for the president about weaknesses within the Democratic coalition, including among women, Black and Latino voters. So far, it is Mr. Trump who has better unified his party, even amid an ongoing primary contest.

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TLDR: Vote for the deranged orangutan

[Lunabell]

1. Smh

The nyt. 'nuff said...

[brooklynite]

2. So you're saying Siena College is conducting a fraudulent poll?

Founded in 1980 at Siena College in New York’s Capital District, the Siena College Research Institute (SCRI) conducts regional, statewide and national surveys on business, economic, political, voter, social, academic and historical issues. The surveys include both expert and public opinion polls.

Siena students and students from other colleges participate in each and every survey conducted. Their experiences allow them to gain experience in political science, computing, communications, sociology, and psychology in a professional setting. SCRI frequently employs interns that participate in special projects including event planning, in-depth research, report writing and analysis.

The results of SCRI surveys have been published in major regional and national newspapers, including The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times, as well as in scholarly journals, books and encyclopedias (both print and online). Survey results are regularly featured on local and national television and radio.

SCRI conducts the Siena New York Poll, a monthly snapshot poll of registered voters from throughout New York State on timely political topics, and the New York State Index of Consumer Sentiment, a quarterly look at New Yorkers’ willingness to spend.

SCRI subscribes to the American Association of Public Opinion Research (AAPOR) Code of Professional Ethics and Practices.

https://scri.siena.edu/about-us/

[Lunabell]

4. Other polls say otherwise.

The nyt picks and chooses the ones they favor.

[brooklynite]

6. The New York Times commissions Siena to do polls for them.

If you have evidence that Siena is intentionally biasing their polls, please share it. Otherwise, the data is what the data is at this point.

[Lunabell]

9. How would I have evidence?

This is clearly an opinion because it is obvious to me and many others that the nyt is on team trump and loves to point out every negative aspect of President Biden's heath, cognition and platform.

So, fuck the notion I have to have "proof" for an opinion.

[jimfields33]

29. I think people forget trump did get 74 million to vote for him as disgusting as it is.

Thankfully President Biden got 81 million. Both were historic for their party.

[Lunabell]

31. Oh, I haven't forgotten.

I'm just sick of people posting doom and gloom for Biden, unnecessarily. This is a site to promote Democrats and their agenda, not to post out of context polls that show he's behind. There are many other polls that don't.

So, I don't know what the point of this whole post is about when it clearly does not support Democrats. It was posted with little to no content that supports President Biden.

[jimfields33]

37. Very good points.

I think some are just scared.

[bdamomma]

46. And we are

much better than listening or believing these polls. It's propaganda. It rots peoples' thinking.

[brooklynite]

47. "This is a site to promote Democrats and their agenda". No it's not...

...for the simple reason that people here don't need to be sold on Democrats and their agenda. Nor will people here decide not to vote because they read something they didn't like.

This site is for Democrats and Democratic supporters to discuss politics and political news, whether that news is good or bad. Personally, I refuse to live in a safe bubble of only good news. I'm working to get Democrats elected at all levels, and adjusting strategies to address real data is the best approach.

If you believe the polling data is factually wrong, please let us know what the correct result should be.

[SocialDemocrat61]

52. From the site's About Us page

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Interacting with friendly, like-minded people;
Sharing news and information, free from the corporate media filter;
Participating in lively, thought-provoking discussions;
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Having fun!

Now in its third decade, Democratic Underground is an independent website run by a team of just two people. We are funded solely by member subscriptions and advertising, and we have no affiliation with the Democratic Party. Democratic Underground is a truly grassroots community where regular people drive the discussion and set the standards. There is no other website quite like it anywhere on the Internet.

We are always looking for friendly, liberal people who appreciate good discussions and who understand the importance of electing more Democrats to office. So sign up today!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=aboutus

[brooklynite]

54. And the way to elect more Democrats is to start with reality and work from there.

Biden's campaign manager thinks the race will be very close. Is that "bad news" that will depress turnout?

[SocialDemocrat61]

60. Not the point I was responding to

Someone posted:

This is a site to promote Democrats and their agenda.

To which you responded:

No it's not...

Which is directly refuted on the site’s About Us page:

Helping elect more Democrats to political office at all levels of American government

[Think. Again.]

55. From the DU 'Core Principles':

(First sentence, actually)

"Democratic Underground is an online community for friendly, politically liberal people who understand the importance of working together to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of American government."

[brooklynite]

57. Says nothing about only sharing positive news and information.

[Think. Again.]

69. I was replying directly to your statement that...

DU "...is not" "...a site to promote Democrats and their agenda".

[LiberalFighter]

73. How many of those 74 million won't be voting for him in 2024?

How many will be new voters for him?

Will there be enough new voters to make up for those not voting for him again?

[Johonny]

12. Having gone to Siena

It's by far a conservative school. However the social science department wasn't very conservative. Not sure the poll means very much. Trump supporters are cult members. Biden's aren’t. That said, it is worrying the people that so quickly rallied to anything but Trump haven't rallied as fast this time around. Probably because things are actual good and they're not thinking about politics yet.

[Fiendish Thingy]

20. Their polls this cycle have consistently been outliers

They always seem to make headlines with their dire predictions, but then all the other pollsters (perhaps save for one other) have consistently shown nationwide results with either candidate in the lead, never more than two points, which just isn’t as tantalizing and clickbaity.

So, can’t say definitively if Siena’s polls are intentionally fraudulent, but they do seem to be consistently outside the trends captured by other pollsters.

When your polls are consistently outliers, it might be time to look at your methodology, especially Oversampling and reweighting, unless of course those elements are being used deliberately to create outlier polls to drive clicks…

Edit, after viewing poll stats:

Small sample size of 980
Undersample of Gen Z voters, just 16%
Republicans were 30%,( reweighted from actual sample of 28%), Dems 29%, Independents 34% - once again, Republicans oversampled
Party identification including leaners - Dem 43% GOP 49%

“Who did you vote for in 2020?” - Trump 34% Biden 44% Didn’t Vote - 18%
“Which 2024 primary did you/will you vote in?” - Dem 28% GOP 36% Unlikely to vote 28%

Methodology
The New York Times/Siena College poll of 980 registered voters nationwide, including 823 who completed the full survey, was conducted in English and Spanish on cellular and landline telephones from Feb. 25 to 28, 2024. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3.5 percentage points for registered voters and plus or minus 3.8 percentage points for the likely electorate. Among those who completed the full survey, the margin of sampling error is plus or minus 4 percentage points for registered voters and plus or minus 4.2 percentage points for the likely electorate.

That’s a pretty big MOE- IIRC, most other pollsters are using sample sizes of around 2,000 with a MOE of around 2.5-3.0% for likely voters.

Weighting used something called the “L2 model”, which isn’t described or disclosed clearly, and so, should be eyed with caution.

Free link to cross tabs and methodology:

https://archive.ph/zLkgK

[former9thward]

21. The poll is not an outlier.

It is in line with most other recent polls. If it was an outlier people would be posting polls showing it was.

[Fiendish Thingy]

27. Only one other 2-way poll in the past two weeks has Trump with as large a margin as this one

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/

Most of the two candidate national polls in the past two weeks show Trump and Biden either statistically tied, or actually tied.

Interesting note: since Nate Silver left, it appears 538 is no longer rating/grading polling houses- at least there was no rating info, or link to info at the above link.

[All Mixed Up]

64. Biden still doesn't lead in any poll.

I think the last national poll that showed Biden up was Quinnipiac but that has been favorable to him all along.

It is a concern that as the incumbent, he's struggling to lead in polls. No one should ignore that reality. Four years ago, Trump was in a very similar spot: he trailed in every single poll:



Biden is obviously better positioned than Trump was four years ago due to margins. But guess what? So is Trump.

State polls are even worse for Biden and probably do indicate he's struggling nationally.

As we've seen the last four presidential elections, Democrats have an advantage nationally. The margins the nominee beat the Republicans nationally since 2008:

Obama: +7%
Obama: +4%
Clinton: +2%
Biden: +4%

We know, tho, the electoral college favors Republicans, as we saw in 2016 and 2020. Despite winning the popular vote by 2% in 2016, Hillary lost and in 2020, despite actually winning a larger share of the popular vote compared to Obama in 2012, Biden did worse in the electoral college, including in Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin.

If Biden actually does lose the popular vote, or ties Trump in it, based on what we know about the electoral college, he's not going to be reelected.

That's my concern. The national votes are aligning with the state votes that show Biden struggling in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, Georgia and Nevada.

If Trump can win Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin losing the popular vote by two-points, he most likely can flip Nevada too and certainly will win Georgia and Arizona if he's tied with Biden there.

[bdamomma]

45. Does anyone listen

to Randi Rhodes???? There was a segment on her Free March 1st You Tube Show that everyone should listen to. Nicolle Wallace had the Australian President on talking about the Orange Pus Job. And he was telling Nicolle that during the 2017 G 20, Orange Pus Job was like a 12yr. old boy who met his idol (Vlad). And that the Orange Pus Job wants to be like him and has autocratic tendencies. We all know that.

It's up to us. cause if he gets in, he will enact the Insurrection Act and we will see his wrath on all of us.

[brooklynite]

3. Before the angry rants roll in...

I know Shane Goldmacher, and he's not part of a pro-Trump conspiracy.

nb: there's a reasonable explanation for the data. Trump was always going to reach 47%, combining Republican base and tribal votes. The poll doesn't show him over performing his 2020 results. Additionally, he's been actively running for two years. Biden, being President, has been slower to gear up his campaign efforts to bring his voters back. As Biden's campaign manager told me last year, a lot of voters haven't accepted that it's going to be a Biden-Trump rematch, so they haven't been prepared to commit to him yet.

[EarlG]

19. Thank you for this additional context

It’s difficult to square what the polls are saying about Biden with what has been happening across the country in special elections. Clearly Democrats are coming out to vote — they keep defeating Republicans by running hard on issues like abortion, which we know is kryptonite for the GOP. And those issues are going to be in play, big time, on a nationwide scale, in November.

I agree that this race still will not come into focus until the two candidates are locked in (in the minds of average voters that is, not we political junkies who already know the candidates are locked in). People may be dissatisfied with Biden now, but in November, when it comes down to a choice between maintaining the status quo for four more years and then having a new race in 2028 with fresh faces on both sides, vs. the massive risk to American democracy and global stability by handing the country back to Trump, I still think voters will do the right thing.

I believe there is definitely something to the theory that the reason many Democrats are responding to polls saying they’re concerned about Biden’s age is not because they personally are concerned — they will vote for him in November. But they’re currently saying they’d prefer a younger candidate because they think other people will not vote for Biden because of his age.

I’ll also point out that this feels to me somewhat like 2016 in reverse. In 2016 we Democrats were high for a year on polls showing Clinton absolutely smashing Trump, and we ignored and hand waved major warning signs like special election results and fundraising enthusiasm.

This year I believe it’s the Republicans who are ignoring the fundamentals. They have become an extremist party, they keep losing elections (or massively reducing their margins in elections they do win), their party is broke while Biden is flush with cash, and their presidential candidate is a rapist facing 91 felony charges. So I’m still seeing potential for light at the end of the tunnel.

[Aepps22]

26. True

DU is almost a bubble where we sometimes think the average person is as locked in to the fact it will be Biden vs Trump 2. I have to keep pushing people in my own circle to wake up to the reality

[a kennedy]

5. What the hell is wrong with people........trump is ahead?? Seriously???

🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬

[bluestarone]

7. So, question of the day is

Where do these IDIOTS think TFG's direction will lead them? Can't fix STUPID!! One thing for sure, Gotta vote like never before!!

[flying_wahini]

8. These polls are crap. Just wait till Oct. and watch all the naysayers coalesce around the Dems.

[maxrandb]

10. At some point, polls stop being random, fair samplings of a specific point in time

and begin being propaganda tools to push toward an already selected/preferred outcome.

We've gone beyond that.

In EVERY poll leading up to EVERY Special Election/Primary, Dems have outperformed the polling by close to 10+ percentage points...even in bright red districts.

There is NO WAY....NO WAY Donnie Dipshit wins in November, unless Dems stay home.

Retrumplicans only win elections because they have perfected the art of self-fulfilling prophecy, or by creating the illusion of inevitability.

Like a rapist telling their victim to just lay back and accept what is happening, the polls try to convince us to just accept the "inevitable".

I am not even sure why I bother wasting my time to discuss polls, because if, by some God Forsaken reason, that fascist fraud gets back in office, this country is fucking finished.

[brooklynite]

13. Do you disagree that Trump will get 47%?

Trump is a known quantity. If you're part of the undecided 10% you're not likely to end up supporting him if you haven't decided to already.

[maxrandb]

24. No, I don't dispute that

I can picture him getting less than 47%, just through demographic changes and the number of young people that couldn't vote in 2020, but have reached 18 since then.

That's not the point I am making. My arguments are:

- Polling can have an agenda

- Dems have outperformed polling in special elections for multiple cycles now

- Retrumplicans have perfected the image of invincibility. Even when they lose, they profess they've won. It's become dogma for them.

Do you dispute that the Dems have outperformed the polling, pretty much since Roe fell?

I want to ensure the Retrumplican image of invincibility is countered.

It's very possible that Donnie Dipshit got 47% of the vote.

It's more likely that Biden could win a 30-40 state landslide, if Dems ignore the polls and vote like their lives depended on it.

You and I...and EVERY AMERICAN need to STOP accepting, or normalizing that 47% of our friends and neighbors would vote for such a despicable excuse for a human being.

That he could even garner 10% of the vote ought to bring us shame.

[brooklynite]

25. "Biden could win a 30-40 state landslide"

Not a chance. It doesn't matter how big or small the MAGA base is; Most voters are tribal today and will gravitate to their Party's candidate.

Biden won 24 States in 2020. Name ten more he could win. (I'll spot you Iowa and North Carolina)

[maxrandb]

38. Most voters are tribal today, and I would argue

one of the main reasons for that is because the media and polls normalize the abnormal.

Polls ask; "do you support X, or Y"?

Wouldn't a more "factual" poll question be; "do you support X, who has been found liable by a jury of sexual assault, has been found to have committed fraud to the tune of half-a-billion dollars, and is indicted on 91 felony counts for crimes, or do you support Y"?

[brooklynite]

44. No that wouldn't be reasonable.

If you want to frame Trump for the respondent, you also have to frame Biden. Otherwise your data would be skewed.

[maxrandb]

59. Fine, how are you framing Joe Biden?

Can we please stop pretending any of this is normal?

It's NOT normal.

It would be like conducting a poll between a convicted rapist, and a man that the rapists side accuses of impropriety.

It's not biased to tell the truth. A lie would be for a pollster to fail to ask the question. A lie would be framing any question in a way that doesn't reflect the actual situation we are facing.

I wish that this was just a normal choice between candidates for president, but it's not.

President Biden wins and American Democracy survives. President Biden loses and American Democracy dies.

Those are the actual stakes we are playing for.

Forgive me for expecting poll questions to accurately ask about those stakes.

[Polybius]

34. "It's more likely that Biden could win a 30-40 state landslide"

Wait, did you just say that Biden can win by 30-40 points? FDR's four landslides, LBJ's '64, Nixon's '72, and Reagan's '84 didn't even come close to that.

[Celerity]

49. max probable number of States Biden can win is likely 28 (IF you add in AK as a flip), plus DC

and there is not a solid chance we flip NC or FL or AK (or the ME-2 district split EV, which I also made 'upset light Blue')




this map below is closer to reality atm:

[All Mixed Up]

66. This isn't true.

Democrats have not out-performed every poll by 10%, especially head-to-head vs Republicans.

Take the New York special election from a few weeks ago:

The final two polls had Suozo leading by an average of 4.

He won by 7.8.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/house/general/2024/new-york/district-03/philip-vs-suozzi-special-election

That's a 3.8 swing, not ten.

That's likely just outside the MOE of both polls.

But let's assume Siena is underestimating the margins by similar numbers. Biden still trails by 1.8 points.

If he loses the popular vote by that margin, based on what we've seen with the electoral college vs the popular vote the last two elections, he's in a tough spot reelection wise.

It's still early but no one should be ignoring these numbers.

[Freethinker65]

11. Unemployment down, wages up, stock market way up

Consumers believe economy is bad because many grocery items are still way more expensive than pre COVID? Because in many locations housing and insurance are expensive?

Should one infer the average American voter is becoming more gullible and less critical thinking. Unfortunately the discouragement of higher education, along with intentional dumbing down of State Colleges and Universities will only make this worse.

I honestly think Trump will end up losing.

[Lonestarblue]

14. The polls do not surprise me. The media has been doing a hit job on Biden for more than a year.

They have ignored Trump and his declining mental condition. I think they deliberately choose photos to publish that are more flattering to Trump and less flattering to Biden. Biden’s accomplishments are rarely mentioned, and the good news for the economy gets buried in the business news while the front page raise questions about Biden’s age-over and over.

I can only guess at why mainstream media owners prefer Trump, but one guess would be taxes. It has been reported that Bezos pays no federal income tax because he simply takes out a loan from his company for his living expenses rather than take a salary. So one of the richest men in the world refuses to help pay for infrastructure his company uses every day as they rely on air traffic control for their planes, the USPS to deliver their packages, and the roads for their delivery trucks.

The Sulzbergers own the controlling shares of the Times, which has been relentless in calling for Biden to step down and allow a younger candidate to take his place, even knowing that Harris would most likely not be the nominee and thus jeopardizing a key part of Democratic votes because they have also minimized her.

Most decisions at that level are all about money.

[dalton99a]

18. The oligarchs and moneyed classes love Trump.

They actually hate elections, and they REALLY hate informed people.

[paleotn]

15. A majority of voters think the economy is in poor condition?

How long will it be before the word American becomes synonymous globally with the word idiot? Whatever the word is in your language for dummy, imbecile, or fool, just substitute American and everyone everywhere will know what you mean. The international symbol for moron. I'd bet dollars to donuts those who think Biden's policies have hurt them can't name one single, solitary policy or coherently describe in what way they've been "hurt.". Much of America is stupid. Face it.

[BannonsLiver]

41. That shipped sailed years ago

I tell people I’m Canadian when abroad. It’s embarrassing to admit you’re American in parts of the world.

[bdamomma]

50. You can stop that

that feeling of disappointment or embarrassment, we need to VOTE!!!!!! I, for one, do not want to be called an idiot like how George W. won a 2nd term and the rest of the world were shaking their heads.
We said NOT AGAIN.

[Celerity]

16. atm AZ, GA, NV look grim

Blue ME stupidly gifting Trump 1 EV (ME-2) due to splitting its EVs means Trump can steal a nightmare 269-269 tie (and thus a win as the US House will have at LEAST 26 Rethug delegations no matter what, due to gerrymandering in WI, FL, and NC) by flipping NE-2 from Blue to Red. Of course he can also win outright by flipping any ONE of the 3 remaining States (MI, WI, PA). If he flips one of those 3, he doesnt even need NV, as long as AZ and GA revert to their Red norm.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/arizona/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/georgia/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/nevada/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/michigan/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/wisconsin/

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/pennsylvania/

[BeyondGeography]

17. Can Biden start campaigning now?

He has been slow walking it because he believes no one is paying attention yet. I think he has work to do starting yesterday.

[Poiuyt]

28. I agree. Biden needs to get out there in front of the voters.

Biden needs to start campaigning now and change the narrative. If people think he's too old to be president, he needs to show that he has the energy to campaign nonstop, like Trump does.

[mzmolly]

58. I think he's easing in

to campaigning. Regardless, I have no idea how tRump could appeal to any reasonable human being.

[JohnSJ]

22. I have said this before, and I will say it again, I think the polls have a sampling problem in general

Last edited Sat Mar 2, 2024, 12:52 PM - Edit history (1)

because too many people do not answer calls from numbers they do not recognize.

I understand a good number of folks think that the polls have factored that discrepancy correctly, but I think that number is much larger than they believe.

In addition, those that do answer calls from numbers they do not recognize I suspect are an older demographic. I think younger people just won't answer calls from numbers they do not recognize.

I think the same situation applies to links sent to participate in web conducted polls.

I think a lot of the weighting factors that pollsters use, such as a younger demographic is less likely to vote than an older one may not hold in today's environment.

There also seems to be a lot of contradictions in these polls on issues such as abortion, birth control, reasonable gun legislation, healthcare, etc.

Obviously we will see what happens in November.

[moondust]

40. When were you last polled?

I haven't trusted polls since they were basically free back when everybody had a landline phone with a monthly bill and no connection charges. I don't recall being polled at all in the past 20-30 years.

[JohnSJ]

43. I don't answer calls from numbers I don't recognize, so in my case never

[samsingh]

23. how are 48% supportive of trump?

[Basic LA]

30. Let's not be like them.

They think every election they lose is fixed. Well, every poll we 'lose' is not fixed.
This quote is from the Feb 26 New Yorker (certainly not right wing):
"In a swing state poll conducted by the Times last fall, 71% of respondents said that Biden was too old to be President; more than 6 in 10 thought he lacked the mental acuity for the job. (In national polling, a majority of Democrats also say he's too old for a second term.)"
This is the reality we're up against. And for a large number of people, the election isn't about party history & struggles. It's just a superficial personality contest.
We have the fight of our lives ahead of us. Let's go into it with our eyes open.

[kcr]

32. Is every poll we win also not fixed?

The point isn't that the polls are fixed. It's that they are inaccurate, particularly this far out from the election.

[nevergiveup]

33. Obviously you can't poll into the future.

Polls show results at the moment they are taken. At this moment polls overwhelmingly show that Biden is not doing well. Many people are saying that once we get closer to the election Biden will pull closer or ahead in polls. This is a dangerous assumption. We all have a lot of work to do.

[kcr]

35. Who said anything about the future?

I'm not talking about the future. I'm talking about how accurate polls are. A month or two ago the polls favored Biden. Before that, they favored Trump. Before that, they favored Biden again. Every time they swing in Trump's favor, it's hair on fire time, with a side of accusations that we only claim they're false when they favor Trump. The same crowd tends to wring their hands over complacency when they favor Biden.

[Doodley]

36. Unfortunately, the Republicans/Trump are winning at influencing voters.

[Mme. Defarge]

56. Taylor Swift notwithstanding. . .

[Geezoh]

39. Huh?

If this is accurate, then democratic voters are idiots/assholes, worse than republican voters. I'm particularly miffed about democrats including Islamic/Middle eastern democrats who refuse to vote for Biden because of his position on the Hamas war in Gaza. Biden isn't responsible for civilian deaths in Gaza, Israel isn't responsible for civilian deaths in Gaza...those responsible, the only one's responsible for civilian deaths in Gaza are Hamas and supporters of the terrorist organization that is Hamas. The goal for Hamas in every one of their actions since they took over political and general control of the entirety of Gaza is the death of Gazan civilians. The only way they gain anything is by making sure as many civilian Gazans are killed as possible in their continuing war on Israeli Jews.

The blood is on the hands of Hamas and their supporters in the general population of Gaza.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

42. Oh.

I'm not granting any legitimacy to disrespectful garbage that refers to President Biden as "Mr. Biden."

"The poll offers an array of warning signs for the president about weaknesses within the Democratic coalition, including among women, Black and Latino voters. So far, it is Mr. Trump who has better unified his party, even amid an ongoing primary contest."

BULLSHIT.

How predictably condescending to suggest Democratic women are weak. I guess we are to be considered stupid, too, and unable to recognize the hypocritical theocratic elephants rampaging through our bedrooms and uteruses. How dare they.

That weeping oozing syphilitic sore "unifies his party" with lies, traitors, criminals, and corruption. This disgusting pandering and normalization makes me SICK.

[brooklynite]

48. That is the Manual of Style.

The first reference is by title. All subsequent references are by Mr. or Ms.. Been that way for decades.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

63. Oh.

That makes it totally legit, then.

[brooklynite]

68. November 2020: "As Soon as Trump Leaves Office, He Faces Greater Risk of Prosecution"

President Trump lost more than an election last week. When he leaves the White House in January, he will also lose the constitutional protection from prosecution afforded to a sitting president.

After Jan. 20, Mr. Trump, who has refused to concede and is fighting to hold onto his office, will be more vulnerable than ever to a pending grand jury investigation by the Manhattan district attorney into the president’s family business and its practices, as well as his taxes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/13/nyregion/trump-taxes.html

[vercetti2021]

51. Ah good ol NYT

Shit on Biden with broken polling any chance they get. The fact that anybody would still take anything to Heart from this motherfucking newspaper is just like why?

[Joinfortmill]

53. Well, that's bullshit. Just saying.

[mvd]

61. I am just so tired of the media spamming bad polls for Biden

Even the Huffington Post splashed it as their top headline.

There is a lot of campaigning to go and the polls have underestimated Democrats.

[SoFlaBro]

62. If Orange Fuckstain has doubled his black support to 25% and is tied with women, I'll eat my fucking hat.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

65. I'll join you

[Freethinker65]

70. Yep. I don't believe women, and families with daughters, want all females to become breeders.

I don't think investors want to risk their stock market gains with Trump's instability.

I don't think minorities like the idea of losing their rights to equal opportunity to vote, losing their rights to equal opportunities for education/ housing/ loans/ justice.

I don't think Americans want a return to junk healthcare insurance with lifetime caps and no coverage for pre-existing conditions.

I don't think Americans want Russia to defeat Ukraine.

I do think many Americans believe illegal immigration by obvious non-asylum seekers is out of control. I do think that many Americans believe Biden can do more to restrain Israel from killing innocents in Gaza. I do think that many Americans, even those with pay raises and large increases in their retirement funds, are frustrated with the price increases in many good since COVID-19. Biden and the Democrats need to do a better job messaging what they can do (and what is beyond any President's and political party's control) to combat these issues. Trump has no real plans.


I do think that many voters would prefer to have neither Trump nor Biden win the next election.

[mvd]

71. Agreed, seems highly improbable

[TexasDem69]

67. This poll seems consistent with numerous others

Showing Biden losing support for various reasons. And sticking your head in the sand or pretending that reputable polling companies are biased won’t change the fact that Trump is probably the favorite at this point in time. You have to be realistic.

[liberalmediaaddict]

72. Ok so they hate Biden

Why in the hell do they think the answer is to put Donald Trump back in the White House? He didn’t make them happy during his first 4 years. He hasn't changed since 2020. People know how he will govern.

I just don't get it and never will. Americans are free to hate Obama, Hillary and now Biden.
But the fact these "disgruntled voters" continue to get behind a demented sociopath every 4 years is pathological.

No matter what the problem is in this dysfunctional country of ours electing Donald Trump is NOT the answer.