I wonder why Comey's announcement that he was opening an investigation into Hillary Clinton

[Baitball Blogger]

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was enough to derail her presidential hopes; but Trump is mired in court cases that he's losing, and every right-winger in a position of power is slowing down the process to allow him to run.

I mean, what is wrong with this picture?

[Ohio Joe]

1. The cult

The right fears the cult… They know the cult is murderous.

[NBachers]

4. The cult is reaching Manson critical mass. They may reach reaction when he loses, but that can be put down & dealt with.

The bigger danger is the mass ignition reached if he gets elected again.

[dchill]

6. Yeah, but they are OK with that.

[Mr.Bill]

20. I'm hoping they are reaching

Jim Jones critical mass.

[drmeow]

34. Oh, wouldn't that be nice! nt

[Orrex]

24. I can't wait to watch them implode three days after Trump dies...

when they have to accept that he won't be resurrecting himself.

[LiberalFighter]

38. His supporters should encourage him to be crucified and rise in three days.

March 28, 2024 would be a good time for him to do it.

[calimary]

2. Oh, I'd say: just EVERYTHING.

It still starts me boiling. With those brains, all that experience, that good-natured humor, and that compassion, she would have been an OUTSTANDING President.

[rubbersole]

9. The uber-wealthy that seem to own everything in this country...

...will do whatever it takes to avoid paying higher taxes. The common good is so quaint. Hillary threatened them. Especially pootie.

[Boomerproud]

11. That phrase (for the common good), has never been believed in nor realized.

Totally ignored.

[ProfessorGAC]

43. "To Promote The General Welfare"

It is used TWICE in the constitution, in the same context.
Yet as you say, it's ignored. Conveniently so, because the founding document says it's the job of Congress. But, there have been no consequences for not doing their job.

[Dave says]

23. I, too, think she would've been great...

… and exactly for the reasons you mention. 12/12/2000 was such a tragedy for America. (Biden is damn good, too, especially when you take in to account the simmering hostility from our oligarchy.)

[pazzyanne]

46. Hillary was more qualified than anyone running for President in my lifetime at that time.

She had more practical experience in a variety of positions she held than anyone else. She was able to think outside the box, with great organizational skills. I still feel cheated by what Comey did!

That is the reason I really like Joe Biden as well. Tons of on-the-job training before being elected, and he understands how government works and how to put together teams and use them effectively.

[patricia92243]

3. Dito for answer #1.

[gopiscrap]

5. because trumps asshole band are a bunch

of shit stained talking hemmorrhoids who have no shame

[JI7]

7. Fucked up men. Resentful shitty men

I have seen how people are and many men are angry and resentful . instead of self improvement they blame others .

They also see supporting Trump and things like taking away abortion rights as sticking it to others.

[Baitball Blogger]

8. America has become a mean spirited place to live.

[JI7]

29. Yes, but it's not just the US and there are worse places also

but I see the male resentment when I look outside the US also.

[BigmanPigman]

12. I've been asking myself that question

every day for as long as I can remember.

[LymphocyteLover]

13. the old phrase IOKIYAR is painfully true

[Martin68]

14. Liberals and independents car about the law, ethics and morality. MAGAts actually like lawbreakers and liars if

they think it will advance their cause. In addition, MAGAts think the "deep state" is against them, a vague term that can include anybody in government that does something they don't like.

[summer_in_TX]

15. A plausible scenario involves Biden and Dems winning...

But Mike Johnson refusing to seat some of the Dems, citing "irregularities." Then the House refuses to certify Biden's election and the cult/Proud Boys/White Nationalists takes to the streets to push for their "victim king" to be "restored to his rightful throne."

I'd like to think that won't happen. But then again, we should be prepared for all eventualities. Flynn/Bannon/Stone etc. have been scheming for this for a long time. They'll also likely be looking for something they could seize upon as their Reichstag.

We know what they are capable of. We saw it on January 6. Preparation, at the very least mentally, is the wise approach.

[All Mixed Up]

26. The House and Senate have to certify the election and the VP oversees it.

Johnson has no role in certifying the election. If Republicans object to specific electors, which Democrats have done in the past, for it to be valid, it must have both a member of the House and a member of the Senate signing onto the objection. At that point, BOTH chambers then go into debate on the electors and vote to toss the electors. BOTH chambers have to vote in a majority to toss the electors. Even in 2020, there was not a majority of House members who voted to toss the electors and certainly not a majority in the Senate.

Your scenario is not plausible.

[summer_in_TX]

28. Thank God for that!

I had forgotten the U.S. Senate also has to certify.

But I do think we may expect to see f%*kery and even violence, at least here and there. For myself, I think facing the possibility will keep me from freezing or being in denial so maybe I can think better if it does become reality.

[Lonestarblue]

41. I don't worry so much about that kind of violence again.

I do worry that Republicans are planning ways to challenge state electoral slates in order to throw the election to the House where Trump would win. I hope the changes made by Congress to better protect the electoral vote are strong enough yo withstand a party willing to break all kinds of laws to reinstate Trump.

[SergeStorms]

16. That's Trump's default setting.

Everyone knows he's a miscreant, a con man, a misogynistic pig etc.. They expect it from him and - disgustingly enough - some admire him for it.

It was a total surprise when Comey opened his galactic-sized mouth (when he shouldn't have) and blew the whistle on Hillary, even though there was nothing to blow the whistle about.

There's absolutely no doubt that Comey cost Ms. Clinton the election, and allowed the most disgusting con man in U.S. history to ascend to the presidency. That single act may doom this country forever.

[triron]

18. Yes it may. Especially due to rampant stupidity of

Americans.

[Joinfortmill]

17. 1933 Germany.

[triron]

21. The Reichstag?

[Takket]

19. Hillary had been villified for years, her emails was the straw that broke the camel's back

Cambridge Analytica/Russia zeroed in on a very small group of people called "persuadables" in swing states, and that is how "but her e-mails" took root and destroyed our country for 4 years. It was not a massive shift in the electorate, but just enough to nudge drumpf over the top in the electoral college, even though he STILL lost the people.

[KS Toronado]

22. Because Тяцмp has made lying, cheating, & stealing Ok as a means

of payback to Democrats because of all the lying, cheating, & stealing we are supposedly doing.
Projection on the largest scale in History.

Тяцмp's "The Big Lie" is all three (lying, cheating, & stealing) rolled into one and in the small MAGA mind
they are simply following the rules we have set to play the political game. However it was their own
Reagan who brought lying, cheating, & stealing mainstream as being Ok as long as the end (Winning
at all costs) justified the means. They do all the lying, cheating, & stealing and accuse us of doing it.

Where's a big mirror when we need it?

[Kablooie]

25. You know the answer.

Democrats have standards and values.
Republicans have none.
They will do whatever gains power for themselves.
They say they hold family values and respect for the law,but it’s just a lie to cover up their total lack of both.

[All Mixed Up]

27. We don't know what will happen in November. It's entirely possible Trump's myriad of court cases sink him.

Remember, up until election day, Hillary Clinton also led in the polls. We can't just assume that polling is correct.

The reality is that Trump is more vulnerable today because of the court cases. To be honest, had Trump conceded the race in 2020, even if he put up a stink about it, and 1/6 never happened and charges were not brought forward, outside maybe the New York charges, I think he'd be well positioned to win in November. But he badly damaged his already low image and it continues to ding him.

Biden is in a tough spot. He's extremely vulnerable as a candidate. The fact this is even a race might be because of how damaged Trump is with his trials.

[Xolodno]

30. This will be unpopular...but hell its the weekend and I've been drinking....

Plus, I'll just ignore the hostile replies later....

1. Compare her primary campaign vs. Obama to Trump. Same energy wasn't there.
2. Her Democratic opponents during the primary looked like people auditioning for a cabinet spot.
3. There was an underlining theme that she was "ordained" after Obama and that's deadly as it doesn't bring any excitement. It turns off voters and makes them apathetic.
4. Polls showed her winning, so, many didn't bother showing up to vote.
5. Independents weren't excited about her and some thought Trump was just doing a show, but didn't actually think he would follow through, he was a Democrat at one point. Whoops.

We all get hopping mad here and practically frothing at the mouth, but we are not representative of the population and often shoot down people who bring that reality up. And so, we get bent out of shape when the vision here doesn't conform to reality. Anyone brings up that there is a bit of a bias here, then its damn the torpedo's and blow them out of the water.

Comey's investigation was just enough to turn off enough independents and casual Democrats to not bother. Didn't have to be that way, if people took his run a bit more serious. What's embarrassing, even Trump didn't expect to win. On election night he went to take a nap and was wakened when told there was a real chance he could win.

Clinton's loss wasn't just due to one or two reasons, that being Comey and/or Russia. It was several small mistakes that slowly turned people off or become apathetic, Comey may have just been the straw that broke it...then again, its still entirely possible Clinton still could have lost without the announcement, we'll never know. We have DU members watching CSPAN religiously, and yet I remember where a cable company, in order to get people pay up, locked their channel to CSPAN....guess what, people paid up in a hurry. We focus too much on micro and not enough macro.

[MichMan]

33. Plus it it rare that one party wins three consecutive presidential elections

Only has happened once in my lifetime (1988) and I'm in my mid 60's

[drmeow]

35. She did win the popular vote!

The problem is our system more than anything else. Because of the Electoral College, Democrats have to do everything better.

[republianmushroom]

39. You nailed it, point number 4, overconfidence. (which could happen again)

[pazzyanne]

47. And yet Hillary won the popular vote in 2019, by 2.9 million votes. n/t

[Xolodno]

48. You and one other mentioned the popular vote, that's all you got?

Popular vote doesn't decide who has control of the Executive, Legislative and Courts. It comes down to a few purple states, the rest don't matter. So I'm guessing you are blaming the ancient electoral college. That's just another excuse. It's designed to give the minority more power and say, nuff said. And it doesn't nullify any of my arguments. If anything, it hammers it even harder.

[pazzyanne]

49. My point being simply in spite of the points you listed,

Hillary still got more votes than tfg. That is all!

FYI: I have a year of college Constitutional Law and 60 years of being an active member of the League of Women Voters, the DFL, and active in several campaigns. Not exactly a newcomer in the world of politics.

[betsuni]

31. Another one of the hundreds of reasons why anyone who thinks both parties are the same is a moron.

[Raine]

32. Hillary is a better human being because of that IMO people had higher expectations

of her. When she looked like she fell short it was worse for her then someone like Trump that everyone already knows is a sleaze and have low expectations of to begin with.

[Baltimike]

36. The so called "liberal media" has been conservative all along

The legacy press professes to be information based, but they are influence based, and their corporate bend only accommodates conservatives.

[drmeow]

37. The media play a huge role

They frame the narrative.

The corporate owned media would like Chinese style government but fascist rather than communist - right wing single party rule without the dangers of a random, uncontrollable dictator. They treat everything Democrats do differently than when Republicans do the same.

They also know that if they reported accurately about the two parties, Democrats would rarely lose. Studies of political issues where the policies are presented without loaded language show that the American public mostly supports much more socialist and left leaning laws and policies than what we actually get. But if only one party is more likely to win all the time, they can't charge huge amounts for advertising. As a result, they have to beat down the Democrats every chance they get to make it an actual horse race!

It isn't that they are running a vast conspiracy - they just use the Frank Luntz and his ilk's framing of the narrative as the lens through which they view everything and through which they make editorial decisions.

[demigoddess]

40. misogyny!!

[Raven123]

42. It was a close race. Only needed to tip a few votes, or discourage voters

[ificandream]

44. The reason is that Repughs are acting in denial to control the narrative.

It's either it's rigged, he's being persecuted, the maga voters are being persecuted or assorted other excuses. Repughs (except for a few) won't admit for a second that Trump has done anything wrong. By doing so, they keep that narrative out of the right-wing media that they worship (since they ignore legitimate media).

It's all a game. The only way to counter it for the media to cover it. But here's the thing: They'll cover it like journalists, not like the cheerleading right-wing media. I know we all wish the legitimate media would act like Fox, but they can't and they won't. They have ethics. Fox and friends do not.

[soldierant]

45. Simple. Misogyny.

[betsuni]

50. Americans are trained to hate government but only Democrats mean government; all politicians

are crooks and liars but since only Democrats are government that means them; Democrats are mommy with their regulations and rules and equality but Republican daddies get away with everything because it's daddy.