On the subject of "Is Joe Biden too old to be president"

[EarlG]

Last edited Mon Mar 4, 2024, 11:21 AM - Edit history (1)

The pollsters and the media have done a fine job letting us know that there are people in this country who think Joe Biden is too old to be president -- and not only that, but it appears there are other people in this country who think he's not too old to be president. Good to know!

However, since the "Biden is old" story is getting, well, old, I propose that the pollsters move on to some new questions. And if the media is to be fair, I suggest they give these questions just as much attention as the relentless, ongoing coverage of Biden's age (who, I hate to tell you, is now officially one whole day older than he was yesterday). So here we go!

Is Donald Trump too much of a rapist to be president?

I think that's a fair question. Trump has been found liable for rape by a jury, but he's still running for president with the full support of the Republican Party. It seems the GOP is comfortable with their candidates committing a certain amount of rape -- but how much is too much?

Did Donald Trump pay too much hush money to a porn star to be president?

Again, a fair question -- clearly the $130,000 that Trump paid Stormy Daniels is A-okay with the GOP since they're still backing him, but when it comes to paying off a porn star in an effort to avoid bad publicity before a presidential election, and then being criminally charged for such an act, how much hush money is too much?

Did Donald Trump steal too many classified documents to be president?

After he left office Donald Trump took more than 300 classified government documents, including top secret documents involving the nation's nuclear secrets, and hid them, refusing to return them to the National Archives. They were only recovered after the FBI raided his home. Once he becomes the official Republican nominee, he will again get access to top secret intelligence briefings, despite the fact that he's currently out on bail waiting to be tried for espionage. Do you think 300 classified documents is a reasonable number to steal? Or should he have stolen more?

Did Donald Trump personally pocket too much money from foreign governments to be president?

Speaking of stealing classified documents, evidence shows that while serving as president the first time, Donald Trump personally profited from at least $8 million in payments to his businesses by foreign governments, including China and Saudi Arabia, although we don't know what he did in exchange for those payments. Again, the Republican Party seems to be fine with the practice, but what about the amount? Is $8 million a reasonable amount to personally receive from foreign governments while serving as president, or do you think he could do better next time?

Did Donald Trump attempt to overthrow the U.S. government in a failed violent coup too much to be president?

Shortly after losing his bid for re-election, Donald Trump attempted to prevent Congress from certifying President Biden's victory by sending a violent mob to assault the Capitol Building, causing Congresspeople, Senators, and his own Vice President to flee for their lives. A number of people, including cops, died. Should he get a do-over?

Anyway, I look forward to these serious questions being asked by pollsters in the near future, and seeing days, if not weeks of media coverage dedicated to covering the results.



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[FalloutShelter]

1. Perfect.

[WarGamer]

2. hahahaha... all APPROPRIATE questions.

[Lonestarblue]

3. Excellent questions the media will never ask.

[Diamond_Dog]

4. Perfect. ☑️

[Raven123]

5. Very well said!

[a kennedy]

6. Exactly, and thank you.

[niyad]

7. Perfectly obvious and necessary questions. I do hope that you are not

holding your breath waiting for the pollsters . . ANY of them. . . to actually pose any of them!

[TwilightZone]

8. The double standard is pretty remarkable.

The double standards playing out in this cycle are flirting with the Clinton/Trump race in 2016 for the most ridiculous of all time, though I think that 2016 race might still win by a nose.

[ShazzieB]

26. Personally, I think the 2024 double standard is even more ridiculous than the 2016 one.

But I agree that it's very close!

[Think. Again.]

9. Thanks, I'll be asking those questions whenever anyone raises the question of Biden's (but somehow NOT trump's) age.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

10. Did traitortrump expose too many of our secret operatives and get them killed?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump%27s_disclosures_of_classified_information

https://www.businessinsider.com/us-extracted-russia-spy-trump-classified-info-oval-office-2019-9?op=1

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218739443

[BumRushDaShow]

11. Exactly. They do nothing but selective "push polls"

that manufacture and then perpetuate a "narrative" for the Democratic party while suddenly dropping their usual "but both sides..."

[True Blue American]

74. Congratulations Earl G!

You are hitting the big time time we always knew that!👍😀

On the subject of polls I just turn them off. Steve Kornakis shill wore off long ago. We now know most polls are rigged and both CNN and MSNBC SHOW EVERY insanity Trump babbles.

[lastlib]

12. I propose we bombard CNN, ABC, et al, with requests to ask these questions

in future polls. A vigorous campign to get them to pose these questions might make a small dent in the prevailing corpo-RAT media narrative and MAYBE move the needle slightly in our favor. A small forlorn hope, but we have to try.

[Cha]

13. All Excellent Questions! Shameful that the "media"

acts like they have ZERO Gumption to ask TSF anything Remotely to do with the Reality of DJT.

Is DJT Having Too Many Sign of Dementia At his Putin praising rallies?

[Think. Again.]

14. Another good question to ask...

...might be whether Biden's age has actually been KEY to his very successful Presidency and that perhaps a younger candidate would be a mistake?

[mcar]

15. This!

[C_U_L8R]

16. We can all agree Trump is too immature.

For just about anything except filling his jumbo-sized diaper.

[FailureToCommunicate]

17. All fair questions! Now can some clever Dems start

asking these over and over?
Can at LEAST NPR, for crying out loud, ask these questions?!?

Holding, not holding, my breath.

[multigraincracker]

18. In any management positions

the most important thing to measure success is do they pick competent people to advise and carry out policies.
I’d give Biden A - or B+. The other guy an F to D-
Bottom line.

[pdxflyboy]

19. Bookmarked. Thank You EarlG

N/T

[ms liberty]

20. I wish you would post this on DU's facebook page. Please?

[Joinfortmill]

21. Boy, you said it, again, and again, and again

[kimbutgar]

22. On the news tonight The NY Times/ Siena poll that 62% think the country is going in the wrong direction

And if Niki Haley got the nomination she would beat President Biden.

I call bs on these polls and also wonder exactly what questions they actually asked. I’d love for them to ask your questions when recording those polls.

[TwilightZone]

32. The actual questions are usually available.

Look for a cross-tabs section for the poll. You'll usually have to go to the pollster's website, though I often just do a Google search.

For example, this looks like the cross-tabs for registered voters from the NYT/Siena poll you referenced:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/03/03/us/elections/times-siena-poll-registered-voter-crosstabs.html

[multigraincracker]

35. Sample Bias.

Need about 10 or 20 other studies that test for sample bias. Less than 1500 voters out of how many? Lots of room for error. Need rigorous testing for any kind of accuracy.

[Hekate]

23. Perfect

[ancianita]

24. Brilliant.

The smoothest slap down of media hype I've read. Thank you!

[dalton99a]

25. Kick

[MN2theMax]

27. This is the best thing I've seen all day!

Unfortunately, the media will never pursue answers to these very, very important questions.

[dchill]

28. He's also too much of a...

...narcissistic sociopath to be President. Or to be running around loose, for that matter.

[blm]

29. Make it viral.

[Poiuyt]

30. These are the questions the media should be asking!!!

Brilliant post!

[OAITW r.2.0]

31. I hardly ever see an OP from you like this. But, whoa. As editor and owner of this site, why not publish

your own thoughts on the front page?. Start with this one. Your OP should be read nationally because this site consistently has the pulse of the Democratic Party in our conversations. You got the numbers to prove it.

[liberal N proud]

33. I find it amazing that no one has picked up on trumps lawyers using "the appearance of"

The use the appearance of wrong doing against the Georgia DA in efforts to get her removed.

The appearance of election tampering should turned right around on them.

[spooky3]

34. Please send this to NYT! Nt

[onecaliberal]

38. K&R

[democrank]

39. BAM !

You’re as good as Eric Swalwell !

[ismnotwasm]

40. Thank you.

[Cherokee100]

41. Let me see

If Biden is too old, what does that make Benedict donald? After all he is the 'orange jesus/second coming of Christ' (according to the evangelicals ). So if that is true, doesn't that mean he is too old. Plus he lives in heaven, he isn't even an American(Murican).

[OverBurn]

42. A cardboard cut of Biden is a better President than the lying, traitorous orange asshole.

[pandr32]

43. Me applauding

[moondust]

44. Oligarch-approved questions?

The important thing is that, as an oligarchic predator himself, TSF definitely won't raise their taxes to help welfare queens buy Cadillacs.

[Lulu KC]

45. Thank you

I SO needed this as I watched the headlines on NYT.com progress more and more deeply into this pit.

[ThreeNoSeep]

46. Very good

This is how I plan to respond to the issue.

[Silver Gaia]

47. Absolutely perfect!

Thank you!

[Emile]

48. One guy tried to overthrow our government and kill his vice president.

And the MSM want to talk about President Biden age.

[JohnnyRingo]

49. Joe Biden is indeed old.

He's old like a seasoned diplomat and senior statesman.
The other guy and is old and unstable like an unexploded WWII bomb.

[Jean Genie]

50. Yes!

Brilliantly said, Johnny Ringo!

[Kid Berwyn]

51. Good questions for Corporate McPravda to ask, as well.

New York Times this means you, too.

[judy]

52. Poll question: Is Donald Trump sane and honest enough to be President?

Wonder what the results of that poll would be!

[greblach]

53. Make it so... nt

[louis-t]

54. While discussing payment to a porn star is more salacious

people forget he paid the Playboy model more.

Oh, and I love saying he's a 'rapist' to magas. They start screaming "He's not a rapist, they just found him liable for sexual assault and calling his victim a liar!!!" If you exaggerate the charge, it's fun to have them respond with a lesser charge that happens to be true. If you say "He paid a porn star $200,000", they have to respond "It was only $130,000." 35 women accused him of sexual assault, no it was only 26. He stole thousands of classified documents, no it was only 400.

[EarlG]

58. It's not even an exaggeration to call him a rapist

Check this out:

Judge in E. Jean Carroll Case: Yes, Donald Trump Is a Rapist

(snip)

But Judge Lewis Kaplan called Trump’s semantic argument “entirely unpersuasive.” He clarified that the jury found that the former president did indeed “rape” Carroll based on the common definition of the word.

Kaplan noted that New York penal law (the jury in the Carroll case was based in New York) has a “far narrower” definition of the word “rape” than in “common modern parlance, its definition in some dictionaries, in some federal and state criminal statutes, and elsewhere.”

“The finding that Ms. Carroll failed to prove that she was ‘raped’ within the meaning of the New York Penal Law does not mean that she failed to prove that Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape,’” Kaplan wrote.

“Indeed, as the evidence at trial recounted below makes clear, the jury found that Mr. Trump in fact did exactly that [rape, as ‘commonly’ understood].”

(snip)

https://newrepublic.com/post/174448/judge-e-jean-carroll-case-yes-donald-trump-rapist

So next time someone asks you if Joe Biden is too old to be president, you can say, "I don't know, is Donald Trump too much of a rapist to be president?" and you can feel comfortable knowing that you're not even exaggerating -- the truth is on your side.

[louis-t]

64. I knew that. Just something I thought of.

Magas know what he did. If you can get them to say it out loud, maybe they wake up a little. I've always remarked that he wasted his money paying the 2 women off. Magas think it makes him 'manly' that he cheated on his wife. They would have voted for him anyway. They are very comfortable with the "If you are a star, they let you do it" excuse.

[Sparkly]

66. Maybe say he raped eight women

and let them say, "No, only that one!!"

[louis-t]

72. You're getting the idea.

[EarlG]

68. I see what you're getting at

And I think you’re right about getting them to say out loud what he did.

[Probatim]

55. What about his support from Nazis, neo-Nazis, skinheads, white "supremacists", and sovereign citizens?

If you were at a rally that had Nazis and neo-Nazis in attendance, how many is "too many"?

[calimary]

56. I LOVE these!

Here’s your rebuttal whenever an editorial or other comment or commentary broaches the question about Biden’s age.

EVERY TIME!!!!!

[denvine]

57. Perfect!

[Quanto Magnus]

59. I had a, now former, friend

call Biden a 'walking corpse'.

I replied... better a walking corpse than a serial rapist, insurrectionist, Putin sycophant and fraudster.



Disclaimer: I do not think Biden is a walking corpse.... Just relaying what this other person said.

[The_Zephyr]

60. As Prez. Joe said:

"I'd rather have 81 years behind me, than 91 felonies ahead of me."

[question everything]

61. Will be nice to add how the family enriched itself

People talk about the “bad economy,” how they trust Trump more about the economy. Do they mind, at all, how the family enriched itself using the country? The hotel in D.C, the club in Scotland, I think, where secret service had to stay and, of course charge the treasury. Was Ivanka paid for being “an adviser?”. Sitting in cabinet meeting with foreign diplomats talking about her products.

[Niagara]

62. Kicked, Rec'd and Bookmarked.

Most of us on DU are aware that the "Biden is too old" talking points are in fact Russian talking points.


Thank you for being one of the many voices of reason, EarlG.

[FarPoint]

63. Joe Biden is running for re-election to try and save America...

to try and maintain stability at some level....I see this as a life sacrifice from Joe Biden...it is for love of country.

Joe has my vote...

[LiberalFighter]

65. Didn't know about the share function before. Thank you. This is being shared.

[Sparkly]

67. May I?

Did Donald Trump lie too much?

The Washington Post's fact-checker documented more than 30,000 lies or false claims Donald Trump made to the American people during his term (about 21 per day!). How many lies are too many?

Did Donald Trump insulted and villainize too many people in his speeches?

Mr. Trump repeatedly uses hostile terms and egregious pantomimes to insult veterans, Gold Star parents, disabled people, women, immigrants, and Muslims, among others. How many divisive insults are too many?

Is Donald Trump too phony?

His background since his youth has not matched what he's claimed it to be. New Yorkers have long known Mr. Trump's history as privileged son who lost his fortune and became a grifter, not a successful businessman. Mr. Trump's skin color appears to be a combination of tanning beds and thick makeup; his hair, mysterious for years, has become incomprehensibly strange; his representation of physical exams, cognitive tests, and his happy marriage do not pass muster. How much phoniness is just too much?

[yardwork]

69. Great post! I'd missed it the first time.

[DC77]

70. Brilliant!

Brilliant is a mostly overused expression, especially in the UK. But this time it truly is apt.

[Celerity]

71. super post!

[malaise]

73. Brilliant

rec

[orleans]

75. here's the link to sue's daily stack for thom hartman's show

your post is listed in the first hour
https://thom.tv/p/sues-daily-stack-monday-4-march-2024

[Hope22]

76. Thanks for this!😁💗n/t