Let's all take a deep breath here.... re: the SC ruling

[garybeck]

Everyone has been saying that we need the trials to take place before the election. Any time things get pushed back, there seems to be a panic.

I get it. We don't want that guy back in office and our hopes are that a ruling in court would somehow prevent that from happening.

But I take a different perspective.

If the courts rule him out of the election, or if he just loses a case and he's a convicted felon running for office, this doesn't really solve anything. It creates chaos. No one really knows what would happen if he loses in court and still runs for office. One thing is for sure, if he is kept off the ballot (like the SC could have ruled today) he will literally try to start a revolution and Putin will help him. All the crazy morons will grab their guns. This will get very messy. And scary.

On the other hand, if he is allowed to run, the election is seen as fair, he loses handily, and THEN has to face the courts, without an election to protect him, this in my mind is the preferred outcome.

The answer is we MUST win in November. He is such a horrible candidate and a pathetic person, I'm sorry but I just have faith in the American people, that we can do it. If we still lose to him, with all the women's rights issues on the forefront, and his pathetic racist divisive angry bullcrap, then God help us. We have bigger problems than we care to admit, beyond any court case or election.

To be honest, i'm more concerned about 3rd Party candidates ruining everything than anything court ruling, or the timing thereof.

Bottom line is, I think if he loses the election and THEN has to face the court cases and loses, there's nothing to save him and he could end up in jail. if he loses all these court cases before the election, it creates chaos and no one knows what might happen.

NOW LET'S GO BEAT HIM **AGAIN** AT THE BALLOT BOX! Then all these court cases will play out after the election and he will have NOTHING to save him.

Just my 2 cents. Have a great day.

[onecaliberal]

1. Yeah because last time he lost by 8 million votes he just left office, oh wait...

[Mister Ed]

4. And the time before that, when he lost by 3 million votes...

...he gained office anyway, because that's the way the Constitution is written. Can't be helped.

[EndlessWire]

6. We need to get rid of the Electoral College. n/t

[Mister Ed]

8. A constitutional amendment, ratified by 2/3 of the states, will do that.

A terribly long shot, but that's no reason not to try.

[rzemanfl]

27. Three-fourths. n/t

[Mister Ed]

39. Thanks. n/t

[angrychair]

34. As I say

Every time someone brings up changing the Constitution. At least in our current situation, that is the last thing we want is an Constitutional Convention. The reason being is the majority of state legislatures are currently controlled by Republicans. Because of that there is sort of "loophole" that has nothing to do with what party is in control of the House but state legislatures. Representatives from each state is lead by a rep that reflects the party in control of their state's legislature and they vote the will of that state legislature. Meaning Republicans could vote to change the Constitution in any way they choose once a convention has been started.

[DVRacer]

38. I point that out as well

27 states have constitutional carry 27!
That means buy a firearm and without any permit you can legally carry it around with you. You have no idea what they are chomping at the bit to do. I live in Trumplandia attempting lawfare against him has turned many people that were tired of him into supporters now. I believe it’s going to come back to bite us in the ass.

[patphil]

33. I agree, but it isn't going to happen due to the polarization of today's society.

There may never be another constitutional amendment. We are just too divided.

[mopinko]

5. oh c'mon

there’s no office to leave. u think he’s gonna storm the wh and have uncle clarence administer the oath?

[Bev54]

31. This time he is not in office

[gab13by13]

2. Do we know if Benedict Donald returned all of those top secret documents he stole?

No hurry, we can vote him out of office again and again and all will be well.

[Think. Again.]

3. You're right...

....THE most important thing for any good American to do over the next 8 months is to work toward an overwhelming Blue Wave in November.

[EndlessWire]

11. No one thought that he'd win in 2016

and Hillary won the popular vote by the millions. Donald won by the EC count. Then, they blamed the fail on Hillary, because somehow she didn't pay the Rust Belt enough attention. So, I think that yes, every last blinkin one of us needs to turn out to vote, but the Dems need to campaign where it counts the most, the highest EC states where we can block Donald. Not sure how to do that, but some Dem knows!

And, Biden needs to show an athletic 81 year old prowess. Yes, he needs ads showing that. One way he could do this is by revitalizing the President's fitness council. There used to be a program awarding points leading to awards. It was a great program. The participants paid for the awards, and it was self policing. Donald's first year in, he ended it. What a bastard, playing golf every weekend when the average citizen lost that little extra incentive. And for what? Biden could make commercials for this program. He could show himself playing. Brief, little bytes could do it. And, it would be good for the country.

[Think. Again.]

16. Yes, yes, and yes, AND...

...remember that we need as many seats in Congress as we can possibly get, so, swing states AND EVERYWHERE ELSE.

[J_William_Ryan]

7. "The answer is we MUST win in November."

Agreed.

And it’s naïve to believe the courts will stop Trump – a Supreme Court dominated by partisan conservative ideologues in particular.

With regard to a conviction prior to the election, however, polling indicates that a significant number of potential Trump voters would likely not vote for Trump if he were convicted, which would benefit President Biden considerably.

[garybeck]

12. i would agree that any conviction before the election helps us, but...

a ruling that would keep him off the ballot would be bad for our country.

especially because he hasn't been convicted of sedition.
we can't take people off the ballot because we think they committed sedition. there needs to be a conviction, and if that were the case i'm pretty confident the SC would have ruled the other way.

[rampartc]

42. none of the confederates were "convicted of sedition"

yet few ran for office. imagine that.

[Aristus]

9. Joe Biden beat him even before there was January 6th and 91 federal indictments.

At this point I think it's just Vladimir Putin, the New York Times, and Buford and Lurleen up in Squalor Holler who are propping him up.

[dchill]

25. ...AND the media.

[lame54]

10. What if he wins?

[ForgedCrank]

14. If he

does, then I'll have to reluctantly accept that more than half of the country is off their rocker, and jackass will be our President again for 4 years. No, it doesn't sound like a very good time, but that's our system and I'm going to stand behind it regardless, just as I always have. There is always a next time, and 4 more years of Trump should be plenty to remind everyone how important voting really is.

[lame54]

15. Less than half plus...

The electoral college

[Think. Again.]

17. He wouldn't win on a popular vote...

...so no, not half the country.

But if he does get in again, he (and any other shitbag that would benefit from his reign) will work overtime to assure he could never be held accountable for ANYthing he EVER does.

So no, it would be worse than "not a good time" and there's a good chance there might not even be "always a next time".

[MadameButterfly]

18. It wouldn't be 4 years

It would be a dictatorship and life as we know it would end: No justice, no freedom of speech, education turned into propaganda, no social security, revenge on his known enemies which is: Democratic office-holders, Left-leaning media, Republican never-Trumpers, anyone who has mildly criticized or opposed him. Oh, and all Democratic voters.

[ForgedCrank]

23. I'll put

up $1,000.00 to anyones for favorite charities that this won't happen.
If he wins (and I don't think he will), he will leave office on Jan 20th at the end of his term no matter if he likes it or not. That's my bet.
We beat this idiot with votes, not hyperbole and court cases. We do it the old fashioned way, and we do it right.
This stuff has really gotten out of hand. There will be no dictator even if he tries, the powers separation prevents this.

[niyad]

32. Your level of optimism is breathtaking.

[ForgedCrank]

40. It's our

system, and I am committed to and believe in it wholeheartedly.
Trump will not be a dictator. The founders made provisions for mitigating that very thing, and even included a last ditch options through the 2nd Amendment. And no, that won't be needed. He'll walk away dejected at the end of his term, if he doesn't expire before that via natural causes.
Listen, I'm not saying he won't do any damage,. In fact, I'll bet bank he will do a lot of damage. But we can fix it if things get to that point after he's done and gone. Besides, even the Republicans don't want to work with him on anything. He has a small minority of backing in congress even in his own party.
I just like to keep my feet on the ground, and I reject nearly all of the hyperbole and hyperventilating. In many ways, it really does make us all look silly.

[niyad]

41. Or conscious, aware, vigilant, and having learned our lesson during his

first reign of terror.

[MadameButterfly]

35. He'll appoint the generals (and some more Judge Cannons)

After that, nothing else will matter.

[rampartc]

43. the seperation of powers is a high school conceit.

the founders had no clue that political parties would consolidate power across branches as the repubs have.

[lastlib]

26. I suspect he will be greeted with impeachment resolutions the day he's sworn in.

He could be the only president impeached THREE times, and the first convicted.

[MadameButterfly]

36. You think he'll let Congress remain in session long enough

to complete an impeachment hearing?

[Tommy Carcetti]

13. It was a bit of a Hail Mary to begin with.

Morally and ethically, barring him from the ballot would be the right thing to do after what he did to us on January 6th.

But no way did I see the Court having that much courage to do so, and I knew they'd find some technical angle to weasel out of it.

He'll lose at the Supreme Court on immunity, and hopefully we'll win in November.

And hopefully he'll lose in criminal court, too.

[MadameButterfly]

19. While I don't think Trump should be allowed on the ballot

I would have worried what Republicans states would do with that ruling. Just like impeachment, they'd try to reciprocate despite having no grounds and the RW SCOTUS would be the final arbiter in each case.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

21. Abbott would've tossed him from the ballot over the border in a heartbeat had this stood

An he wouldn't have been the only one.

[BlueKota]

28. I don't think he expected them to rule he is immune, he just wanted them

to delay the trials for him until after the election and most former prosecutors and retired justices from lower courts agree that's exactly what they gave him.

Plus with him in or out of jail, win the election or loose the election he and his band of lunatic magats are going to wreak havoc no matter what.

I just want to see all potential avenues open to try and make sure there is 0 chance for him to win period. Maybe there's nothing that can do that, but I hope like hell there is.

[Aepps22]

20. Well Said

I have 0 confidence that a conviction subject to appeal would change a single Republican voter and I doubt it would change our side either. Trump is a rapist, fraudster and deplorable yet his supporters are locked in. How many people lied and said they wouldn’t vote for him after the grab them by the p remark? No low is too low for that man and his supporters. All Joe has to do is shore up his base and get people voting. Things will be close but anyone thinking a conviction will stop the Trump cult from buying in fooling themselves.

[MadameButterfly]

37. It's not the Base who might be influenced by a conviciton

They are locked in. It's the undecideds, by definition low information voters who can't figure out like the rest of us have whether he is guilty or not (or whether Biden stole an election) so they need a court of law and a jury to tell them.

[sop]

22. Worst thing about the SC's decision is Trump will spend the next eight months saying he was "exonerated."

Every time he gets up on stage at one of his Bund Rallies he'll gleefully gloat the SC's ruling "proves" he didn't do any insurrecting and the whole thing was just a "witch hunt."

[Joinfortmill]

24. Totally agree & Joe needs to get the young vote

[padfun]

30. Taylor Swift will help there.

I'm glad she's a Democrat.

[ShazzieB]

29. My reaction to this ruling is pretty much "meh."

I really wasn't holding out much hope for a better outcome, so I'm not crushingly disappointed. Don't get me wrong: it does suck. But it's suckage that I more or less expected.

I consider that provision in the 14th amendment to be flawed as written, because it doesn't contain any criteria or mechanism for determining whether someone has been involved in an insurrection and is therefore ineligible to run for office.. It was obvious enough at the time, right after the Civil War, but then they made the mistake of leaving that in the Constitution for posterity, with no specified way to enforce it in the future.

The immunity thing is a whole other animal. I can't say I'd absolutely put it past the conservative super majority to rule in his favor, but I'll be outraged if they do, because the whole idea of a president having complete immunity for absolutely any crime he commits while in ofice is ludicrous. It's complete and utter bull pucky, as Rachel Maddow would say. If the Supreme Court rules in in his favor on that one, I will lose my shit. That's a promise! But this decision? Meh.