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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAs the dust is starting to settle on the CA senate primary, how do you feel about Adam Schiff?
Was his tactic vis a vis Garvey smart or do you see it as underhanded?
While result will be him winning the open seat walking away, do you see it as harmful to the Democrats?
I am asking this with zero agenda. I am really interested in the opinions of others.
CousinIT
(12,541 posts)...Katie Porter and Barbara Lee
brush
(61,033 posts)Some accused him of elevation Garvey by attacking him in ads...HUH?
It's smarter than Schiff, Lee and Porter all attacking each other, and Garvey too.
Please. He made the best/smart choice, and since he did, he deserved to win.
AZSkiffyGeek
(12,744 posts)It may have been an act and he may be scum, but he was the face of the Dodgers when I was a kid in the 70s and wasnt he big w the Padres in the 80s?
I find it hard to believe Republicans needed to see him in Schiff ads to raise his profile.
And what Garvey voter wouldve voted for Porter?
brush
(61,033 posts)Renew Deal
(85,151 posts)If he's got a live boy/dead girl situation, we will regret it.
rubbersole
(11,223 posts)Seems all contemporary repubs are morally flawed. Otherwise they wouldn't get any support from the gop. Kool-aid drinkers.
Sibelius Fan
(24,808 posts)Renew Deal
(85,151 posts)An advantage of having both candidates be Democrats is that we win either way. It eliminates risk from unexpected events with one candidate. That said, I think it was the right move in this case to have the race between both parties. If something goes wrong with Schiff, people can still vote for him and let him be replaced by the Democratic governor. Eliminating the need to spend millions of dollars for a safe seat outweighed the need to protect the seat from risk.
These are lots of hypotheticals.
brush
(61,033 posts)wouldn't that have come out by now...I mean being a Congress person having to run for re-election every two years, some opponent's oppo researchers would've come up with that live boy or dead girl info by now don't you think(nice phrasing by the way, rolls right off the tongue).
Renew Deal
(85,151 posts)But lets not forget Eliot Spitzer.
That phrasing is an old political saying.
brush
(61,033 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 7, 2024, 12:20 AM - Edit history (1)
being revealed, as were Spitzer's (see also George Santos).
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)Renew Deal
(85,151 posts)2naSalit
(102,793 posts)With a not so great feeling about him, hopefully it will pass.
What I think sucked about it was that he could have run a sound campaign against Porter and Lee without being nasty and attacking. It's about who has the better idea not who can manipulate the game to win regardless of their argument for doing so.
I understand that the stakes are astronomical but at the same time, this was an opportunity to show how campaigning should be done without the vitriol and threats of terrorism. We would have had a perfectly appropriate winner in the end, it was a win-win with no animosity opportunity and he chose to buy his way to the seat. That part bothers me.
Mz Pip
(28,455 posts)Ill vote for him but I doubt Ill send him any money.
Will probably send some to whoever is running for Katie Porters seat.
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)JoseBalow
(9,489 posts)What did he do or say that was "nasty and attacking"?
2naSalit
(102,793 posts)JoseBalow
(9,489 posts)I read that "could have" as past tense.
I didn't think that he was nasty and attacking, I did not notice that from him.
2naSalit
(102,793 posts)And yes, that is what I meant, he could, well now past tense but, have had meaningful debates that were not nasty with the other two Dems and we still would have had one of them elected in the general. Now it's a possible putinist instead. He took away the surety of a Dem no matter what.
I'm not happy with that.
What LA Times had to say...
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-03-06/california-senate-primary-schiff-help-garvey-column
JoseBalow
(9,489 posts)that a Democrat hasn't lost a state-wide election in California in a long time. Running against a repug is basically a sure win for him. Running against another Dem would have carried more risk. It was a smart calculation on his part.
2naSalit
(102,793 posts)It tarnishes him a bit. I can't explain how I felt when I heard what happened, I just lost a lot of admiration for him at that moment.
karynnj
(60,968 posts)AND the fact that Schiff got half of the Democrats. Looking at the results Republicans are about 40 percent to Democrats 60 percent.
Consider that even if the Republicans split 50/50, which was not the case even before the ads, the higher Republican vote getter would have got at least 20 - half of the 40. Porter, Lee and the other two had to split the remaining 30 from the Democratic 60. She got 16, Lee 10, the others the remainder.
Given the way the Democrats split, from the above it is clear that no matter how the Republicans split, a Republican would be number 2. In fact, had the Republicans split 50/50, a Republican would be 3 too. (SCHIFF 30 percent, R1 20, R2 20, Porter 16.)
Early on there were Porter supporters suggesting that Lee should drop out blaming her as a spoiler. In reality, Porter had a very narrow path to winning the seat and even being in the general. If she garnered more support than Schiff in the jungle primary, she would likely have become Senator. That was not close and the second path was that she would get the second slot. As I showed, even if the Republicans did not split very unevenly, that would not happen with her share of the vote.
There is NO likelihood that the ads saying Garvey was too conservative caused anyone planning to vote for Porter to change. 16 percent was not enough.
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)NanaCat
(2,332 posts)And in this reply.
My vision isn't as good as it could be, but even I can see those words in both posts, clear as day. Maybe you could clarify what you mean by that, since you did say the 'nasty' and attacking' part.
I didn't see him being 'nasty and attacking' to the other Democratsunlike how Porter was with him. (and still is). He was focused on the real enemy: the GQP and its candidate, not on other Democrats. That makes him a smart Democrat, a good Democrat.
In fact, CA voters probably chose him because he understood who the real enemy is, and didnt step on his fellow party opponents in his quest for the nomination.
Porter could learn something from that example.
2naSalit
(102,793 posts)Enjoy your stay.
betsuni
(29,078 posts)He never accused other Democrats of being corrupt and beholden to corporate interests and other character attacks. What attacks?
You said he could have run a sound campaign without being nasty and attacking.
2naSalit
(102,793 posts)betsuni
(29,078 posts)That's what those words mean, that Schiff's campaign was nasty and attacking. Schiff's campaign means Schiff.
2naSalit
(102,793 posts)Of his trajectory, seems he chose to avoid the attack mode for the two Dems and bought the opponent he wanted to attack.
He could have had some significant and serious debates with the other Dems without being nasty. It's been done before, it should have happened here..
FYI: From La Times https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2024-03-06/california-senate-primary-schiff-help-garvey-column
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)brush
(61,033 posts)That seems smart to me. Calling attack ads "elevating of Garvey" seem like an oxymoron to me.
Underhanded? Ok. Bet Reps Porter and Lee would've done the same thing if they had thought of it.
I want the smart guy/gal in office to fight against these wannabe fascist republicans.
Nice guys finish last, a famous baseball manager once said.
karynnj
(60,968 posts)the top Democrat.
brush
(61,033 posts)over them. They could've went after Garvey with their ads but chose to go a different way.
Pls explain what you mean.
karynnj
(60,968 posts)What I meant was had either Porter or Lee put out the same ads as Schiff and the PAC, the result would have been the same. Garvey in the number one or two position and one Democrat in the other. However, that Democrat would be the highest polling one - Schiff. So, such ads would be counterproductive.
Porter's only path was to get to the general election with Schiff and hope the Independents and the Republicans ( in their case voting against Schiff for her to try to stop him) would disproportionately vote for her.
brush
(61,033 posts)The fact that he was polling better than either of them turned out to be accurate.
Politics is about drawing comparisons between you and your opponent. Schiff chose Garvey, probably because his oppo researchers found out about Garvey's outside kids and wife beating incidents in case he'd have to use that info in negative campaign ads in the general election. As far as I know he hasn't had to do that as it'll leak out somehow.
His strategy really can't be faulted as he won the primary as a Democrat, and in deep blue California, that means he, the Democrat, is the next US Senator for California.
Was just explaining, as you asked, what I meant in my earlier post. I agree that each team tried to find the way that worked best for them.
I do agree that while the math made Schiff/Garvey likely before the ads, the motivation was to ensure that match-up. Porter accused him of doing it for precisely that reason. It does however, in blue CA, work for him in the general election.
I suspect that ALL the opponents found the baggage he has. Porter was the one best positioned to use it if she thought it would tear Garvey down.
brush
(61,033 posts)I hate that both her and Rep. Lee will be leaving the House.
I would be happy with any of the 3 in the Senate. And I get why they ran as California Senate seats only come vacant every 20 or 30 years.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)JustAnotherGen
(38,054 posts)As a Senator - he will legislate in prose.
maxsolomon
(38,729 posts)Porter will land on her feet - probably in the 2nd Biden Admin.
whathehell
(30,468 posts)I love her, and would hate to see her leave public life
Captain Zero
(8,905 posts)She can call out the GOP from there.
Fla Dem
(27,633 posts)Sibelius Fan
(24,808 posts)elocs
(24,486 posts)pfitz59
(12,704 posts)or some such elevated position. She is too good to leave behind.
2naSalit
(102,793 posts)Gig too. I hope she stays with government, I suspect that's her plan.
SoFlaBro
(3,790 posts)Happy Hoosier
(9,535 posts)so well see. I cant see a lot of incentive to reward her given her temper tantrum here.
Happy Hoosier
(9,535 posts)He'll be a great U.S. Senator.
I have no issue at all with him attacking the republican candidate and NOT attacking his Democratic rivals and am amused by those who somehow see it as "underhanded."
DFW
(60,186 posts)Schiffs decision was to run a campaign whose central theme did NOT consist of attacking Porter or Lee directly. Im glad he did. It means there any future politicians looking for negative things to say about either one will have to look elsewhere than negative quotes taken from a sitting California Senator.
Porter, for all her great political moves, shot herself in the foot with an assault rifle when she endorsed Nina Turner in Ohio over Rep. Brown, who is now D-Ohio. That was an ultimate what was she thinking? moment that I still dont get. Since I dont vote in California, it wont matter that I am disturbed that Katie Porter has never addressed her action and said she regrets it. That was her call, of course, and I voted with my contribution, which went to Schiff.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)former9thward
(33,424 posts)It will help him in November but hurt other Democrats. More Rs will turn out this November to vote for Garvey and while they are at it they will be voting for Rs down ballot. In many districts that will not matter but it will matter in swing districts.
whathehell
(30,468 posts)former9thward
(33,424 posts)I don't how you could since they were in the news and posted on this site also.
whathehell
(30,468 posts)Not everyone can hang out all day looking for news items on DU.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)Democratic Rep. Adam Schiff is making crystal clear who he would rather run against in November, releasing a new TV ad Thursday that contrasts himself with Republican former Major League ballplayer Steve Garvey.
Adam Schiff knows he will lose to me in November. That's what this brazenly cynical ad is about," said California Rep. Katie Porter.
Porter blasted Schiff out of the gate, calling the tactic cynical and saying the Congress member acted out of fear he would fall to Porter in a November matchup.
Adam Schiff knows he will lose to me in November. Thats what this brazenly cynical ad is about furthering his own political career, boxing out qualified Democratic women candidates, and boosting a Republican candidate to do it. We need honest leadership, not political games, Porter wrote on X, formerly Twitter.
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/01/ca-senate-porter-schiff-garvey-ad-00139094
whathehell
(30,468 posts)and I was going to include "the news" as another thing I don't always have time for, but I thought you'd assume as much. Clearly I was wrong. Thanks for the links.
karynnj
(60,968 posts)In CA both will lose. If this were not a presidential election year, then what you said could be true.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)They know he will not win the state and he has been on the CA ballot in the general election two times already. Garvey is a fresh face and a celebrity and he will get an increase because of that.
karynnj
(60,968 posts)Not to mention he is NOT a fresh face and he has baggage.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)DemocratInPa
(743 posts)But he will outperform Trump in California.. I think Garvey being the big game athlete in California and former Dodger, will get him votes sadly.
NanaCat
(2,332 posts)If I were you.
It seems that youre not aware that literally millions of Californians, including GQP members, are hardwired to vote against him because he was a Dodger. The Giants v. Dodgers is scary high when it comes to acrimony.
Don't laugh. The hate is that strong--and that enduring.
He cant afford to lose one R vote in CA, but he will. Because he was a Dodger.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)Some one who joined DU today is suddenly challenging my posts in totally unrelated threads in unrelated subjects. Interesting.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)As far as running a campaign, that is not my area of expertise.
TexasBushwhacker
(21,204 posts)Trueblue1968
(19,251 posts)Cha
(319,076 posts)that Barbara Boxer Stepped in to Endorse Adam Schiff?
https://thehill.com/homenews/4443492-former-sen-barbara-boxer-endorses-adam-schiff-in-senate-race/
Another event that the former Senator said irked her occurred this week.
continued: more from Barbara Boxer
And now saying that hes against women when Adam Schiff has been, what we call as women in politics, Sir Galahad. Hes a Sir Galahad. Thats why Nancy Pelosi endorsed him. Hes a great guy and hes been side by side with us every step of the way. So yes, this has pushed me over the line.
Apparently Sen Boxer was going to stay out of until she saw all the Attacks on Schiff from Porter.
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18700215
Good Luck to Adm Schiff!
and
Link to tweet
W_HAMILTON
(10,333 posts)Too bad Porter didn't do the same.
Between the negative anti-Schiff campaign she ran and her concession speech -- do you even call it that? -- I really lost a lot of respect for her.
Cha
(319,076 posts)mvd
(65,912 posts)Big money badly wanted her out of the race. Schiff will be a very good Senator and besides on Israel has gone to the left somewhat. But I hope Katie can find her way back so Congress - she is still young.
MistakenLamb
(791 posts)tritsofme
(19,900 posts)Itll be a lot cheaper for Schiff to defeat an incredibly weak Garvey than it would have been to defeat Porter, and now the huge amount of money that would have been wasted in a Schiff/Porter race can be diverted to actually competitive races in California and across the country that will actually determine control of the chambers.
Even better if Republican donors throw money into a fire pit for Garvey, that wont get spent on their competitive races, only to end up running behind Trump on election night.
Only good things from this outcome.
Camaromjr
(45 posts)I am a huge fan of Porter. I love her whiteboards and the way she brings the receipts. However, Schiff is a good choice. It is politics and he didn't get down in the mud with his fellow Democrats. Promoting Garvey is just part of the game. Schiff will make a great senator. I actually wish he was 5-10 years younger. He will age out in 2 terms (I get 3 or 4 terms but that needs to change).
Demsrule86
(71,542 posts)have been more gracious yesterday. And I am sorry we lost her seat. We may not get it back.
Bmoboy
(642 posts)Porter's district was re-apportioned to make it a toss-up. She squeaked by last time. It was a calculated move to leave a purple district and run for the open Senate seat.
But she didn't have the money and recognition of Schiff.
Barbara Lee never had the money or the poll numbers.
Schiff didn't attack Porter or Lee.
And he was more well funded and popular than either of the other two major Democratic candidates.
Xavier Breath
(6,640 posts)and I'm sure he'll be an asset to both the party and country in the Senate for decades to come.
As a side note, even though I grew up relatively near to Cincinnati during the years of the Big Red Machine, I was a Dodgers fan and Steve Garvey was my favorite player. In competition I even wore his uniform number six. What a creep he turned out to be.
Basic LA
(2,047 posts)Rules preclude all but glowing love for this sainted individual from heaven who I personally worship. Golly he's great. And the way he won was so supremely glorious. God bless him. Yes sir, what a guy. A magnificent human being.
Mike Nelson
(10,943 posts)... and don't feel anything sneaky was done. I thought Adam's ads were on target. Katie's "shake things up" ad wasn't appealing, to me; it was what I heard Trump supporters wanted... to "shake things up." However, I do like Katie and Barbara very much and hope they will be back on the political stage, somewhere!
dlk
(13,247 posts)I believe she would do more for the middle class and the poor.
mcar
(46,058 posts)As hes been a great congressman.
Duncan Grant
(8,920 posts)I think Porter is tremendously competent and that she understands how the American people are exploited by unregulated capitalism.
Schiff has integrity and intellect, but I dont think his priorities include a critical analysis/action of an insatiable billionaire class. Something I believe is long overdue.
Thats my 2 cents, dont spend it all in one place.
diva77
(7,880 posts)destructive forces -- corporate crime. I would love to have seen her in the senate. I'm ok with Schiff - he's excellent as well but not at cutting through the noise to get an effective message out the way Porter does.
What position should be given to Porter in the Biden Admin. if they recruit her?
Duncan Grant
(8,920 posts)I dont think the establishment will want her near any levers of power. She makes them all look like fools. So, I expect them to marginalize her as much as possible. Unless, she made a deal with whoever talked her into running for Senate in the first place. Alas, Im not hopeful. I think her political career is over.
Id be happy to be wrong about that. I admire her very much.
baklava
(16 posts)but rather she's too much of a non-team player and too much of a show-boater. Katie is a better activist than a member of any administration.
Duncan Grant
(8,920 posts)Katie is a professor of law, lawyer, congresswoman and mother. I think shes affiliated with Senator Elizabeth Warren (another politically marginalized progressive woman).
Despite being a graduate of Yale and Harvard Law, evidence suggests shes a pretty decent human being. After all, who needs a lobbyist approved team player when were (Im) starving for a corporate-free politician, like her.
She is effective at teaching people the difference between sh*t and ice-cream. Therefore, the showboat.
(Sentimentally, California had women Senators for 30 years, Im reluctant to give that up, but everything changes.)
ananda
(35,145 posts)While I like Katie Porter also, I would have
voted for Schiff in the primary.
Initech
(108,783 posts)betsuni
(29,078 posts)to corporate interests, billionaires, lobbyists, etc. without any proof and attack character instead of policy while denying doing it. Insinuating elections are somehow rigged and bought and big money interests won't allow this or that candidate to win because they're afraid or whatever is really insulting to voters. What happened to all that whining about having to earn votes?
What's the goal here? I'm sick of it.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)* that causes many politicians who "come up short" in the vote-count (or who see the irrefutable and reliable and consistently negative poll-numbers) to behave this way.
It's one thing to be "in it to win it" but it's quite another (and totally unacceptable) for Democrats to go all scorched-earth on the likely winner in a hail-mary attempt to kneecap the leader and/or to exact some sort of revenge because of their own disappointment.
Did Porter ever come out and concede properly (either spoken or written?) Did she ever congratulate Schiff? Did she pledge support to him?
JustAnotherGen
(38,054 posts)And I'm not happy about it.
Nixie
(17,984 posts)would be so careless about flinging accusations of corruption. Accusations require proof, not just sour grapes because you got outsmarted by a political opponent who basically knew enough about your poor campaign to ignore you.
There were plenty of questionable things about Porter that Schiff could have attacked.
--She made over $250,000 / yr teaching law. That's a pretty hefty salary. Is it corrupt? Let's all just call it corrupt since that's good enough for Katie.
--Katie Porter required her law students to purchase her book -- so she benefitted from royalties from those purchases. Is that corrupt? Let's just call it that since that's good enough for Katie.
--She had staff problems
--She had leaked texts that show her poor skills working with other elected officials.
--Her boyfriend punched someone at one of her townhalls.
ETC.
She had a cakewalk during this primary. I'm thinking Schiff saw her internal polling and knew it was a waste of time to pay for ads against her. She wasn't even competitive.
Wounded Bear
(64,324 posts)BlueWaveNeverEnd
(14,246 posts)Drum
(10,678 posts)Emile
(42,289 posts)in unison and put the primary behind us.
FelineOverlord
(3,851 posts)Katie doesnt seem to be handling it well.
I know shes disappointed but . . .
Anyway, rigged is now trending on X.
Cha
(319,076 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 7, 2024, 04:18 PM - Edit history (1)
FelineOverlord
(3,851 posts)@MuellerSheWrote
You know what you said, and that loaded words have power. I never thought Id see a democrat cry about rigged elections. This is shameful, and its manipulative.
@katieporteroc
Please find a statement from me below.
Link to tweet
@MarkJacob16
The loud rebuke of Katie Porters rigged claim shows that the pro-democracy crowd isnt putting up with that crap no matter which party it comes from. And thats a good sign for our country.
Link to tweet
@KayeSteinsapir
@RepKatiePorter
, when you call our election rigged, you sound like Trump. Our democracy is on the line. Your words will increase distrust of our political process.
You lost. Best to concede gracefully and find another way to serve the public.
Link to tweet
Cha
(319,076 posts)I saw that Tweet from Mueller She Wrote.. Exactly True!
NanaCat
(2,332 posts)When is it ever underhanded for a campaigning Democrat to focus his strategy on the flaws of a GQP candidate?
How can it be harmful to Democrats for a strong Democrat to win a Senate seat?
I realise youre upset about Porter losing, but Schiff's win is about as far from a bad thing for Democrats as one can get, especially in California.
Stinky The Clown
(68,952 posts)Please be specific in your reply.
republianmushroom
(22,326 posts)He is the one I voted for.
He will be a great US Senator.
shanti
(21,799 posts)niyad
(132,440 posts)WarGamer
(18,613 posts)#2, So would have Katie Porter.
#3, pity that California won't have any female US Senators for the next 20 years.