So have you heard about the ad that claims that Biden won't survive

[senseandsensibility]

another term? I've just heard references to it, and of course it sounds disgusting, but not surprising. It's been painted as beyond the pale, and a cautionary tale of what this election will descend into.

Well...they just ran it on CNN. I saw Biden pausing for long periods between words and I started to fast forward, but saw the heading on the screen about Biden not surviving another term.

Personally, I hope Dems counter with any of the many horrible videos available of cheato, show him up close in all his sweaty orange sliminess, and incoherent babbling. We really need to fight back, and we have so much material to work with.

As I've heard even some very cautious former members of the Obama administration admit lately, the days of when they go low, we go high are
over.

Edited to add that of course it ends with Kamala laughing, just to throw in the requisite sexism/racism.

[consider_this]

1. I like this article that was posted...

earlier today - a good comeback for anyone who buys the ageist crap you are describing:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1016373927

[chicoescuela]

2. Counter punch with the picture of tfg shit stained pants on the golf course

[Think. Again.]

3. Heck, if going low is what it takes, no problem.

[senseandsensibility]

7. On a slightly different topic, but related

Claire McCaskell just said that she strongly disagrees with the adm sharing secrets with cheato since he is under indictment for stealing them. Duh. In other words, we're still playing nice.

[Cha]

17. What could possibly be Biden and his Team's

strategy for That?~ Why?

TY

[senseandsensibility]

20. Claire seemed very confused

about why they would do it. And she's somewhat of a conservative Democrat, not some flame throwing liberal. She said it would be a win both of the substance and the politics and I agree.

[Cha]

21. Sorry.. "a win".. for whom?

TSF wouldn't give Biden any intel reports in 2020.. they didn't recognize him as the Pres Elect".

Thanks

[senseandsensibility]

24. Claire thinks it would be a win if Biden

refused to give them to cheato. It would be helpful politically and the right thing to do.

[Cha]

25. Exactly... So omg Why are they doing it?!

Unreal. This is like the Twilight Zone and I'm sick to death of it.

[Think. Again.]

18. I hope we're not just playing nice and that this info will either be...

...safe to share with trump or, even better, harmful to him if he mishandles it.

I take a little bit of comfort in the fact that we haven't heard Biden say "my friends across the aisle" in a long time.

[peggysue2]

4. I expect more of that

Nikki Haley, the not-so-moderate Republican, was touting a similar trope--that a vote for Joe Biden was really a vote for Kamala Harris for president.

The implication, of course, was that Biden would die in office and the scary/incompetent Harris would then take over.

Ooooo. Beware, beware.

Republicans are never subtle, even when they try.

[senseandsensibility]

5. Oh sure

I just object to the assumed narrative that Dems are just going to take it. Why should we when there are videos of cheato that are far worse?

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

6. There's a racist subtext to this "he's too old" meme:

"If (when) Biden dies, his VP -- who is black and a woman -- would become president."

They can't argue about his first term achievements, which even Fox has grudging acknowledges, so they've only got two reasons to vote against Biden: (1) the border, and (2) a black woman will become president if he dies.

That's it.

[madamesilverspurs]

8. Haven't seen it. BUT...

Upon first hearing about the reference to whether Biden would "survive another term", it immediately rang alarms about stochastic terrorism. Whoever put the ad together did so knowing full well that there are some trumpsters who will hear that phrase as marching orders, placing both Biden and Harris at the top of their target list.


.

[Lonestarblue]

9. The past couple of days, I've been seeing comments on WaPo articles that Biden would die in office.

I wondered where that was coming from. I’ve been countering that he is basically healthy and not likely to die in office while Trump is already in the early stages of dementia and will most likely be incapable within a year of taking office.

[Demsrule86]

29. Trump is two years younger.

[ITAL]

42. Trump is 3.5 years younger than Biden

Not that it matters. Some people are sharp at 90+ and other lose it decades earlier. Trump is in the second group.

[Johonny]

10. The said this about Bob Dole

And he lived decades after his presidential run. No one knows the hour of their death.

[Rob H.]

11. Have they taken a look at their guy? Or listened to him lately?

Trump looks as if he's one Big Mac and Diet Coke away from his heart exploding, and his speeches have lately been rife with demented bibble-babble. Along with the nonsense words, he seems to think Obama is still POTUS and that unless we come to our senses we'll find ourselves in World War II before we know it.

[senseandsensibility]

22. We need more voices like yours

Cut through the B.S. and speak plainly, Dems!

[canuckledragger]

45. That's why they're projecting Trump's frailty on Biden.

Like they've been doing all along with Trump's crimes, corruption, dementia, etc.

[ms liberty]

12. I saw it this morning on MSNBC. Very ugly ad. n/t

[senseandsensibility]

13. MSNBC too?

Ughh!

[yorkster]

14. Very ugly ad and doctored bigtime.

Yes, it was on MSNBC. Saw it yesterday.
Both the part where Joe speaks slowly and
the tripping while boarding aircraft are very obviously slowed down and looped so that the actions appear to happen several times. Disgusting.

[Mike Nelson]

15. I've seen it twice...

... it's not subtle. In fact, it's too obvious and stupid. I think the best, most effective negative ads are a bit more subtle... this makes the viewer feel like they stepped in it. Better ads make you feel like you just smell it. I hope Dem/Biden ads are better. See what meets independent viewers halfway, and take it slowly from there.

[JohnSJ]

27. They know base is. A bunch of racists, bigots, and sexists.

[Mad_Machine76]

16. What does it matter if he doesn't survive another term?

The VP will assume the office and nominate a new VP.

[Hekate]

19. Just bear in mind the subtext is 100% racist and misogynist, as in this "joke"....

Q. What is the problem with Biden’s age?

A. She’s Black

[GuppyGal]

23. It's Revolting and Repulsive just like everything else the Russiapukes do. nt

[JohnSJ]

26. I saw it on CNN today. Without a doubt it is a racist piece of crap, just like the people behind it.

This is another swift boat crap, and I have no doubt they will be saturating the airwaves with this garbage, and if the MSM does what they did with Kerry, i.e. giving free airtime to analyzing this crap, by continuous playing of it as a news story, instead of charging them for ad time, like they did the swift boat ads against Kerry, it won't surprise me.

What Biden, Democrats, and the Democratic PACs need to do is start saturating the airwave about the orange deviant, his insane rants, mixing up who he is running against, his refusal to send in the National Guard to stop his insurrectionists from attacking the capital police, and trashing the capital, and his pledge to pardon those deplorables.

We need to start doing it now!!!

[senseandsensibility]

30. Yes, but I am getting a sinking feeling

that they still want to play by the rules. They will get no credit for being nice either, so it's a lose/lose.

[Vogon_Glory]

28. Reply: And we're to believe that if Donnie was elected, he'd still be fit

to govern all the way to Inauguration Day, 2029? From available evidence, even if everything in Trump’s trunk and limbs are in operating order, he’ll likely a candidates for removal per the 25th Amendment.

Moreover, there’s the question as to who Individual One would choose as his Veep. While I believe that Kamala Harris could do a good job, I think Donnie would choose a sycophant with loyalty as his first quality and competence as his distant second.

[senseandsensibility]

31. Kamala Harris is perfectly competent

Former attorney general of the great state of California. But their propaganda does not pretend to be about truth.

[Silent Type]

32. Although no racist crud, here's an ad run by a Democratic PAC on trump's cognitive decline

It’s mild compared to trump’s ad, but is an example of where the election dirt is headed. This is from 2/1/2024.

[BlueKota]

33. I think the they go high we go low is fine up to a point,

but there is nothing wrong with defending yourself when you are being insulted and deliberately being attacked with lies.

Plus the difference is what they accuse Democrats with usually are lies, and the majority of the time things Republicans are accused of are true. So there's a high ground right there, we use fact to belittle and berate them, with out lying.

[senseandsensibility]

34. Exactly

And it does seem like a failure to defend yourself against unfair attacks will just be seen as weakness or an admission that the attacks are true.

[senseandsensibility]

36. Nothing wrong with that ad

although I would make it harder hitting. As you say, it's all true. But did it run on FAUX like this ad is running on MSNBC and CNN?

[BlueKota]

39. Definitely agree we need to hit harder

and not just with insults to Trump, but with ads to scare the crap out of people, who think having a dictator wouldn't be so bad. Show them real historic photographs of detention and death camps, mass burial footage. Heck show coat hangers and ads with woman with high risk pregnancies being denied medical care, then end with the noise a heart monitor makes when it stops, and ask father's if this is what they want for their daughters or granddaughters.

It's time to wake people up to the fact that dictatorships don't just put the people you don't like in danger, but you and those you love there too.

I saw the documentaries on Aushcwitz, and about little girls, being thrown down wells, and left to die because of China's one child per family rule, so family's could try again for a boy. Read about what Stalin did to his own people. I'm not exaggerating when I say I'd rather be dead then have to live through something like that. It has to be stopped from happening here at all cost.

[ificandream]

35. Saw the ad on YouTube and my reaction was meh ...

It's typical of Repughs. They pander to the stupids.

But in regards to Trump, I keep thinking of this.

[IcyPeas]

37. Just saw it during Ari Melber MSNBC

[Demsrule86]

38. I just saw it...at the end they have Kamala Harris laughing-they make her look maniacal.

Be afraid of the Black woman when the old guy dies is the message...stupid and if they are showing this in Ohio... Trump must be behind.

[maxsolomon]

40. Tomorrow is not promised to any of us.

One's mid-80s are fraught, but not like one's late 80s.

I pay attention to the NYT obits of prominent people. Most popular age for men to die seems to be 87 or 88.

[BlueKota]

44. Definitely true it's not promised.

Any one of any age could get hit crossing the street, or eat something we weren't aware we were allergic to and drop dead if no one has an epinephrine shot on them.

And it’s not like the same couldn't be said of Trump. He's not immortal like they seem to think.

[crickets]

41. Seemingly healthy 50-year-olds have been known to drop without warning from a heart attack.

Other people live full lives well into their nineties, even though they may not have led the healthiest lifestyles. This ugly ad is scaremongering and racist. Biden is healthy (which is clearly not the case with tfg), he is the best president we've had in generations, and he picked an intelligent, qualified VP. Done.

[ITAL]

43. Hell

I remember people four years ago saying he wouldn't live through his first term!

[woodsprite]

46. May he experience the longevity of his mother - 92 yrs old! nt