Pentagon study finds no sign of alien life in reported UFO sightings going back decades

[edhopper]

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/pentagon-study-finds-sign-alien-life-reported-ufo-107931659

The study from the Defense Department’s All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office analyzed U.S. government investigations since 1945 of reported sightings of unidentified anomalous phenomena, more popularly known as UFOs. It found no evidence that any of them were signs of alien life, or that the U.S. government and private companies had reverse-engineered extraterrestrial technology and were hiding it.

[Rafi]

1. LOL. Maybe they should look at all the video and film taken by their pilots over the last Seventy years.

And why, when they confiscated the film, did they warn the pilots never to speak about the incidents again. Is it because there were craft exhibiting flight capabilities that should be impossible due to physics are we understand it? And don't toss out the tired trope is was our secret technology. There was no secret technology capable of anything like it 60-70 yerars ago. Not even today.

[triron]

5. Yep. Except we know that they did.

What do you expect.? For them to admit there's been a government cover up. This is the same old bullshit.

[Disaffected]

8. Oh, I suspect they did,

and, found nothing of particular relevance.

But, speaking of tired tropes, those blurry blobs darting about on video screens and in pilot's eyeballs are proof positive alright....

[triron]

10. Your distorted depiction of what professional pilots

Both military and civilian ) report shows your ignorance and bias. It is just this kind of response
That causes so many to never report their sightings.

[Disaffected]

11. There is nothing at all wrong with reporting sightiings

as long as you also don't draw far-fetched conclusions from them.

FWIW, I've viewed many images and videos of lights in the sky, the "blurry blobs", photos of supposed flying saucers etc. plus their sometimes accompanying written/verbal comments and have found nothing that cannot be explained by much more mundane phenomena or, have no apparent explanation (and it is a logical fallacy to extrapolate something unexplained to alien spacecraft or much else for that matter).

If/when credible evidence becomes available, I will be more than willing to accept it but, until then, where's the beef??

Same applies to Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, leprechauns, demons, ghosts, etc. etc.

[Rafi]

12. Typical reply from those who have not bothered to investigate past their bias.

There are many, many very clear videos and photos of craft that are obviously not of our design. Some dating back to way before photo and film alteration were available for the most part. I have personally spoken with my neighbor, a former Eastern Airline pilot, who described his encounter with a craft on a


cargo flight between Birmingham and Atlanta. John is a former fighter pilot as well with thousands of hours of flight time.

He told me that he and his co-pilot were flying at about 17,000 feet on perfectly clear night. Suddenly a metallic, saucer shaped craft appeared on his their right side about 50-100 feet away. It maintained a matching speed with their plane, at times moving from, one side of their plane to the other. He said this episode lasted twenty minutes and that finally the craft moved away and disappeared at a speed that he had never witnessed in the air. He said there was no mistaking what they saw. He did not claim it was alien, but said he had no reasonable explanation for what it could have been.

It is the height of of arrogance for these type of encounters to be dismissed as a weather event, birds, Venus or the plethora of other lame explanations employed by folks who can't accept the possibility of technology possessed by someone that we cannot explain. Trying to denigrate the reality of the phenomenon by comparing it with bigfoot, fairies etc demonstrates a lack of serious consideration.

[Disaffected]

14. Typical reply from those who

indulge in credulous acceptance of nonsense and, who cannot tolerate contradiction of their beliefs.

And please spare us your anecdotal evidence and rationalizations.

And, where are all these "many, many very clear videos and photos of craft that are obviously not of our design"?? I would be obliged if you could
show us some as I have been unable to find any such thing.

[Rafi]

20. I don't believe anything, except there are plenty of clear videos and photos. What are they? Who knows.

So no, there is no credulous acceptance of nonsense. Anecdotal evidence is plenty good, even in courtrooms. Needless to say you have accepted it repeatedly in your life from friends, or people you respect.

I'm not going to do your work for you. Either look, or don't. I don't care.

[ProfessorGAC]

21. How Convenient

You're making the claim of numerous clear photos & videos.
You have the onus to back up the statement with evidence unless you wish to simply be disregarded.
Telling someone to look up proof of your contentions is pretty disingenuous.

[Rafi]

35. How lazy.

You want to see the evidence look it up.
There is no onus to back it up. It's just a statement. You can remain ignorant or do the work.
I don't care.

[Torchlight]

42. Critical thought requires evidence to support our assertions.

If our arguments rely wholly on assertions, and we fail to support those assertions, it becomes less an argument on our part, and more just a performance of emotion and bumper stickers.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

49. You'd be surprised at how advanced some or our

secret technology has been over the decades.

I used to have a book about Area 51. The first half was about the actual stuff they were doing there, the advanced technology and so on. Even though a lot of it was classified, people living near would frequently see aircraft totally unlike what was out there commercially. The second half of the book was about the possibility of aliens, alien aircraft, and the like.

I keep getting back to asking for actual photos or videos or some kind of alien craft.

[Johnny2X2X]

2. The vastness of time and space are too much

So the Fermi paradox attempts to define the parameters of the issue, but I think misses the mark somewhat.

The vastness of space assures there are are many millions or even billions of earth like planets that could support life in the universe. But then why don't we see evidence advanced civilizations have existed. GIven the billions of years the universe has existed, we expect that some civlilations would have existed for many millions of year sand been able to colonize and change at least some part of visible space to us. For me, I just don't think we've developed the technology to look closely enough yet. Perhaps some star system we don't understand because we don't have a way to interpret the light emitting from it quite yet. Perhaps there are stuctures built around stars to harness their power and we just see it as a yet to be explained wobble or twinkle. Perhaps there is some line for technological advancement that no civilization can solve even after 10s of millions of years of developoing.

Maybe humanity, 10 million years from now will still exist, with tehcnologies we cannot imagine, but still will not have solved some fundamental problem to space travel and colonization of other systems or even planets. Myabe there's an earth like civiliation millions of light years away that is hundreds of millions of years more advanced than we are, but still just can't figure out a way for deep space travel.

But the idea that aliens are regularly visiting earth is a totally different matter and increibly unlikely.

[edhopper]

3. Exactly

There is worthwhile speculation about life elsewhere. Including the difference between life, intelligent life, and technological intelligent life. Life has existed on Earth for about 90% of it's history. Intelligent life for 0.2% and technological intelligent life for 0.001%.

But none of that has anything to do with aliens visiting our back water planet.

[Johnny2X2X]

4. And from a technological perspective

Human beings in our physical form are not meant for space travel. I think we're closer to being able to download a human consciousness into a computer than we are to building a space ship that will allow humans in their current physical form to travel vast distances in outer space. But we are probably hundreds of years from that.

With that in mind, alien life that is traveling the cosmos is unlikely to be organic IMO. Maybe it started as organic life, but technology allowed it to become something else.

And I also think that beings that we create will be the first seep space travelers. An AI that doesn't need a physical body to interact with the physical world around it will be the first substitutes for humanity exploring distant worlds. And perhaps those beings will not just outlive humanity, but will in very real ways be the continuation of humanity.

[edhopper]

6. Also

just as with evolution, intelligence is not a foregone out come (none on Earth for 99% of the time) technology is not a given. Whales are intelligent, and a very intelligent whale like species could evolve on a water planet like ours without ever having the need to develop technology. And we can see even more exotic alien life, without technology as a result. We might never see evidence of such life.
We are hoping some alien life out their is using the radio spectrum. But we don't know if any are.

[Johnny2X2X]

9. Also

For all we know, when a civilization reached a certain stage, maybe some type of virtual reality becomes more important than exploration. Maybe 250 years from now the most interesting and rewarding spaces to explore will be contained within a simulation. The idea that everyone will have to need to explore and colonize is a human one.

[Rafi]

13. It doesn't take everyone to explore...just one.

Right?

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

41. Yes, our galaxies has at least 100 billion stars,

maybe a lot more.

Does anyone reading this know how many of those stars are like our sun?

Anyone?

6%. You might read up to 20% in various sources, but no, it's 6%. Over 70% of all stars in Milky Way are red dwarfs. Which isn't to say none of the planets around red dwarfs can have life, but it's going to be vastly different from what we see here. For one thing, the red dwarf planets we've discovered so far are typically a whole lot closer to their star and rotate VERY rapidly around said star.

Blithely assuming there are civilizations out there millions of years older than ours is a pretty shaky assumption. Species evolve, all the time. In fact, we homo sapiens are evolving faster than we ever have before. With (or without) evolution, a good run for any species is a million years. So no, don't count on civilizations millions (hundreds of millions is truly laughable) of years more advanced.

My Son The Astronomer tells me that most modern scientists think we are very probably the first intelligent, technological civilization in the galaxy.

It's important to understand just how vast our galaxy is. About 100,000 light years across. Perhaps there is, or has been, a technological civilization on the exact other side of the galaxy from us. There is essentially no possibility that we could communicate with them. Again, the speed of light determines a lot. It's a fundamental law of physics. There will be no getting around it. Oh, and don't then say, Let's use a Black Hole to go vast distances. Going into a Black Hole in the first place will kill you, so you'll already be dead coming out.

The Moon. Specifically, our relatively large moon. It stabilizes our axial tilt (23.5 degrees at present) and gives us tides, which would have been hugely important in the development of life in the first place.

[LeftInTX]

7. A bunch of people in Colombia got mad when "chupacabra" DNA turned out to be a coyote

There was outrage. This will not end.

It was also funny when "chupacabra" in Victoria, Texas turned out to be raccoon with mange. Fortunately, no one got mad.

[Sympthsical]

15. Several trillion cameras and phones on this planet

No one's yet gotten one decent photo of these things?

Lucky aliens. So good at avoiding the frame. They're like me at parties.

[Rafi]

17. I don't understand why people continue this fabrication. er lie. Well, maybe because it's easier than facing truth.

There are hundreds of clear unambiguous films and photos if cares to seek them.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

30. Bingo. There is zero

evidence, let alone proof, of aliens visiting us.

[republianmushroom]

16. Another whitewash. They are good at it.

[hunter]

18. Why would these space aliens be using spaceships?

Traveling between stars in a spaceship makes about as much sense as driving from California to Hawaii in a car.

Ask any space alien you meet.

In times past we imagined flying horses taking people into the heavens. Spaceships are today's version of that.

Faster than light Star Trek and Star Wars spaceships are fantasy and always will be.

[Archae]

19. Absolutely.

Hundreds or thousands of years ago, people saw lights in the sky at night, or odd shapes in daylight.
They described them as angels or fairies.

In the late 1800's to early 1900, they became mysterious "dirigibles," since dirigibles were being developed.

In 1947, a pilot saw a chevron-shaped flying thing, (from the evidence, it looks like it might have been a bird seen through odd atmospheric conditions,) he described it as flying like a saucer skipped over water.
And flying saucers became well known.

But TO DATE, absolutely NO concrete evidence has been shown. PERIOD.

[angrychair]

22. So hundreds trillions of planets

Trillions of galaxies. The expanse of the universe so vast we cannot even begin to understand it but we are the only intelligent life in it?

The arrogance is stunning.

[Renew Deal]

23. They didn't say alien life doesn't exist.

Just that we haven't seen evidence.

[angrychair]

24. They both

Disparage the possibility of space travel and "aliens" in general.

I'll use the example I've seen on a couple different episodes of NDT's show:
Humans trying to comprehend a form of space travel that allows beings to travel vast distances of space at this point in our technological development would be like an ape trying to fly the space shuttle.

As far as life in space goes, saying we have never discovered life in space in all this time is like dipping a water glass in the ocean and because you don't see any fish in the glass you determine the ocean in lifeless.

[Archae]

25. The possibility, and I emphasize that word, exists.

The problem there is NO evidence of actual aliens on Earth. YET.

They might show up tomorrow, or a thousand years from now.

They might completely eradicate us, or help into a new technological utopia.

There still is possibilities.

But so far? Nothing tangible or confirmable.

[hunter]

33. I'm certain there is life scattered throughout the universe...

... some of it perversely "intelligent" in the same manner as humans.

I'm also confident they are not flying around in faster-than-light starships.

A story about people traveling among the stars in spaceships, as in Star Trek or Star Wars, is the same sort of fantasy as someone who visits fairyland riding a rainbow unicorn. That's not to disparage such stories. I'm a huge fan of both science fiction and fantasy and have literally thousands of such novels and short story collections in my home library, all of which I've read, some of them multiple times.

Space aliens may or may not be observing us. Until they formally introduce themselves we humans exist in a state of ignorance. In my imagination "First Contact" isn't a flying saucer landing on the lawn in Washington DC, as in The Day the Earth Stood Still, rather it's a subtle voice in the wind.

[Joinfortmill]

26. Well, if we're all alone, that's damn scary, too.

[dweller]

27. Yeah, right

✌🏻

[keithbvadu2]

28. The beauty of conspiracy theories is that the real truth is hidden so cannot be (dis)proven.

[Qutzupalotl]

29. Exactly what an alien replicant would say.

[alittlelark]

31. ........

😳😂🤣

[edhopper]

34. touche

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

32. You are absolutely right. People want to pretend that there's this huge cover up,

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(Correction a couple of paragraphs in. Rafi, post 37, pointed out my mistake. I originally said 70% of planets are red dwarfs, and it's 70% of stars. My fault for not proof-reading, and I thank Rafi for pointing this out. )

and there's not. For one thing, those of you who think there's a cover-up, ask yourself why is it that no one has ever credibly revealed such a thing? Or genuine evidence of alien technology, bodies, and so on. Other than extremely isolated examples, such as Bob Lazar who has been completely discredited, there's simply no one reliably giving such information.

Yes, there are at least 100 billion stars in our galaxy, maybe a whole lot more. And, essentially every single star we look at has exo-planets. Hooray! However, something like 70% of all stars are red dwarfs, which means the conditions on any planet around such a star, even in the Goldilocks Zone, will be a lot different from conditions on a planet around a star like ours. So even if life evolves there, it’s going to be a whole lot different from what we’re used to.

Something else that matters: We have this relatively ginormous moon, which is responsible for our tides, which may well be the reason we have biological life here.

Interstellar distances are truly vast. Travel between stars probably isn’t possible. It will NEVER be possible to go faster than the speed of light. Don’t try to hand-wave that an incredibly superior technological civilization will have conquered the speed of light problem. Nope. No matter how advanced a civilization, there’s no getting around the fundamental laws of physics.

All species have a finite life time. A million years is a good run. And please don’t bring up sharks or jellyfish, species that have been around for hundreds of millions of years, because notice they are not establishing anything remotely technological.

Another reason interstellar travel may not be possible is the ghastly radiation out there between stars. Fatal.

Read “How to Die in Space” by Paul M. Sutter to get a handle on how truly dangerous it is out there.

We really are alone. We are not going to be rescued by some vastly superior intelligence. We should be working much harder to preserving this planet.

[Rafi]

36. David Grusch testified and showed his evidence to the Attonerney's Genral for Defense and Intelligence. They stated

his evidence and testimony regarding secret programs doing reverse engineering on non-human technology were serious and urgent.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

38. So WHERE is that evidence?

Photos? Documents? Just saying something doesn't make it true. Do you believe Flat Earthers who say the Earth is flat? Or evolution denialists?

Another thing to consider is that for a decade or more now most people are carrying a pretty good camera with them. So why aren't we getting frequent videos of UAPs?

Here's something else to consider: I was just talking with My Son The Astronomer on this topic, and essentially, if alien aircraft were in orbit around the Earth, they'd be spotted very quickly. If they were in orbit beyond the Moon, they'd be far less likely to be detected. Which isn't proof they're orbiting far out. It's that there's no proof of alien aircraft out there.

[Rafi]

40. I'll say it again...there are literally hundreds of photos and videos if you search. many believe UFOs have advanced

cloaking technology. If we developed stealth and they are way beyond us technically it is very possible.

The Attorney's Generals have the evidence, not me. They also called forty more witnesses based on Grusch's testimony. Their investigations have not been made public.

If you truly want to learn much of the truth about UFOs you should view the Ross Coulthart, he's an award winning journalist, youtube interview with Daniel Sheehan. Sheehan is an attorney and was a leading figure in the Pentagon Papers, Watergate and Iran Contra investigations. His credibility is as good as it gets.

Thanks for your personal note.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

43. Please post at least one or two photos and videos that

are truly of alien space craft.

UFO simply means Unidentified Flying Object. Just because we don't know what it is, doesn't mean it's alien craft.

Again, show us the physical evidence. Just saying someone else has evidence, which they are not actually showing us, is meaningless. Sort of like Trump's constant claims of the election being stolen, just saying it doesn't make it true.

No matter how many times you state the government has the proof, show it to me, to all of us. Otherwise, you're Trump saying the election was stolen.

Here's something else to ponder: There have been zero reliable reports from anyone who actually saw any such evidence. Invariably, those who claim to have, for instance, worked at area 51 on UFOs -- Bob Lazar comes to mind -- simply aren't who they claim to be.

Ross Coulthart simply claims to know the government is covering up. Where are his photos? videos? physical evidence?

[Rafi]

44. I never said the craft are alien, so don't confuse the issue. And don't compare me to Trump. You actually are

showing more Trump traits by trying to make it seem I have made claims that I never made. You have an army of strawmen.

Again with Bob lazar...lazy argument.

Quit telling me to show you the physical evidence because I don't have it.

If the Attorney's Generals consider the evidence serious and urgent then maybe it is.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

45. Again, not a single photograph or video.

You don't have physical evidence but you're willing to go along with vague "attorneys general think the evidence is serious and urgent" but do not show that evidence?

At the risk of repeating myself, show the photographs, show the videos, show the actual evidence.

[Rafi]

46. Nothing vague about the Attoney Generals report. It is classified. Comprende. They aren't gonna release it.

But, they have shared it with some in congress. That is basically why Chuck Shumer, you've heard of him right, introduced legislation, in the NDAA, to try to force the release of the hidden programs run by several large aeronautics companies.

Guess some folks way above your pay grade are taking the issue seriously.

Where the hell would I get physical evidence?

If I posted any video you'd dismiss it. So not going to bother.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

47. Classified. Oh, right. Which means we can't see it and need to simply trust what someone says.

No. Show us actual evidence. If you can't get physical evidence, it doesn't exist. If you would actually post a video, I'd certainly look at it. So why aren't you posting it? Why? Oh, that's right, it doesn't actually exist.

Again, as always, show me the evidence. Don't just say it exists and we need to trust you.

[Rafi]

48. So because something is classified it doesn't exist? How about the nuclear codes, the names of our agents, the recipe

for original coke? If you really believe what you are posting you just have no idea about reality.

So because I can't get physical evidence it doesn't exist? I don't doubt that there are numerous things I have no physical evidence for that exist. The same goes for you whether you admit it or not.

Being obtuse is not an argument.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

50. The recipe for original coke is kept secret.

But I can buy and drink a coke any time I want. There aren't people out there claiming there is this wonderful drink that no one has tasted or seen.

So yeah, again, please post an actual photograph or video of a real alien craft. Don't keep on saying they exist, they're classified, no one can see them but they are real.

Santa Claus comes to mind, but at least there are many thousands of "santa clauses" talking to little kids every December.

[Rafi]

51. You always address only part of my questions...cause you got partial answers.

And you need to quit repeating falsehoods, because no matter how many times you do. it's still not true. I never, repeat never, said any of the craft were alien.

Some videos and photos of anomalous craft are classified and some are on the internet.

So either do a search or remain uninformed...your choice.

[Rafi]

37. You don't have to travel at the speed of light to cover vast distances over time. And cyborg or robots are not affected

by the radiation.

By the way planets are not red dwarfs. Jesus get your facts straight.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

39. Thank you for correcting me.

70% of stars are red dwarfs. I know that and did not proof-read my post. I'm going to correct it, and I'll give you credit for calling me out on my mistake.

[keithbvadu2]

52. The beauty of conspiracy theories is that there are always untold secrets that would prove your point but they're untold

2 space aliens looking down on earth.
I see the dominant life form has developed space weapons.
Does this mean they are an emerging intelligence?
I don't think so. They have them aimed at themselves.