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Chubb Insurance put up the money for Trump (Original Post) Cattledog Mar 2024 OP
Hope they have good lawyers of their own. RockRaven Mar 2024 #1
Chubb🤔😆😆😆 Traildogbob Mar 2024 #2
apparently the CEO is a trumper TomDaisy Mar 2024 #3
Chubb is a publicly traded company brooklynite Mar 2024 #6
Given they apparently still operate in russia quakerboy Mar 2024 #12
Oh yes they do. Xolodno Mar 2024 #13
There's a sucker born every minute. louis-t Mar 2024 #4
They might not care about losing the money Silent3 Mar 2024 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Beachnutt Mar 2024 #5
Figures I_UndergroundPanther Mar 2024 #7
So, let me get this straight, If Trump reneges on his debt, Chubb will pick up the debt? Are they on dope? Chainfire Mar 2024 #8
Isn't it akin to a bail bond? Kennah Mar 2024 #9
Yeah, there is collatetal on the deal somewhere.... getagrip_already Mar 2024 #10
Damn... EndlessWire Mar 2024 #11
Seth Abramson is saying Chubb has ties to the Kremlin. Swede Mar 2024 #14

quakerboy

(13,949 posts)
12. Given they apparently still operate in russia
Sat Mar 9, 2024, 01:31 AM
Mar 2024

Someone is making these decisions. Presumably the CEO didnt ask shareholders before making a loan to trump.. and I cant imagine anyone whos actually doing their job thinks that Trump is a good investment risk at this point.

Xolodno

(6,454 posts)
13. Oh yes they do.
Sat Mar 9, 2024, 01:56 AM
Mar 2024

I've been on numerous email trains that include the CEO of a multi billion dollar company. Seen their decisions, etc. Even when entire teams of analytics groups don't recommend a course of action, the CEO or other lower President (often because they made a statement before it could be researched and confirmed) often ignore it and follow through.

I know how it works. There is NO absolute directive from the CEO, but there is plenty of email, texts, phone calls, etc. that inform those below how he/she wants the deal to proceed. Plausible deniability that allows the CEO to fire those involved if it doesn't work out.

Publicly traded? Don't get me started on that ruse.

Silent3

(15,623 posts)
15. They might not care about losing the money
Sat Mar 9, 2024, 03:07 AM
Mar 2024

They might just be fanatically pro-Trump and/or want political favors if Trump wins the presidency again.

Response to Cattledog (Original post)

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,611 posts)
7. Figures
Fri Mar 8, 2024, 06:18 PM
Mar 2024

Trump and his buddies are Russian assets kissing pooties rancid ass, of course he would use a Russian company to protect his orange ass.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
8. So, let me get this straight, If Trump reneges on his debt, Chubb will pick up the debt? Are they on dope?
Fri Mar 8, 2024, 06:40 PM
Mar 2024

Kennah

(14,407 posts)
9. Isn't it akin to a bail bond?
Fri Mar 8, 2024, 06:45 PM
Mar 2024

With bail, you get released from jail and if you don't show up for court they come get you.

With this bond, Trump gets to appeal and if he loses then he loses the bond money and probably some more. At that point, the insurer probably gets to act upon some sort of collateral and get their money back.

getagrip_already

(15,336 posts)
10. Yeah, there is collatetal on the deal somewhere....
Fri Mar 8, 2024, 07:22 PM
Mar 2024

Almost every appeal in ny is unsuccessful. This one will likely fail.

Chubb will have to pay out the money when that happens.

Chubb didn't disclose its terms for the bond so we don't know what collateral, if any, was pledged.

But usually insurance companies don't want to have to chase collateral sales. It's not what they do. Insurance companies are good at managing large unexpected outlays of cash. They are not good at foreclosures.

Usually a bank handles that part and provides the bonding agent with a guarantee of surety, which means they have title to collateral and will liquidate it and reimburse the bonding agent. That's what banks are good at;repossession and foreclosure. Banks may not have that kind of cash just lying around though. They have reserves they have to maintain and the rest is working.

But we don't know anything beyond Chubb is guaranteeing the bond for the state.

EndlessWire

(6,703 posts)
11. Damn...
Fri Mar 8, 2024, 07:58 PM
Mar 2024

Originally, this insurance company was known as ACE Group. It's very old. In 2016, it bought Chubb Group, and renamed itself to that brand. So, all of Chubb Group is the originally referenced ACE.

This international company is everywhere. Federal Insurance Company is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Chubb. FIC is the identified company that is acting as the insurer. This company is limited to the United States.

Chubb Group does have a company called CJSC ACE Insurance Co. Russia which is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Chubb Group.

This company is not on the list of sanctioned companies that the US sanctioned or restricted due to the Ukraine war. All of the companies (the list is amazingly long) are subsidiaries of the main banks (several) that are on the sanctions list. If tRump got money from Russia, it would have to be through a tunnel through Federal Insurance Company, which I don't think exists, unless it can be transmitted through transfer due to them not being on the sanctions list. I think they're clean.

The only consideration is whether the actual war will cause complete sanctions on every Russian company that has ties to the US. I think, in that case, that Chubb Group would simply shut down any open accounts, and no other branch of Chubb would be affected.

I don't think that Trump will win any appeal. Perhaps the way to look at it is, Carroll may be guaranteed a pay out at the end. I want her to get paid, and I want her to seize assets, but I guess you can't have everything. Trump would have looked really bad if his buildings were attached during his campaign.

Still, it seems strange. Maybe he just traded on his former association with Chubb. It will be interesting to see what happens with the fraud case judgment.

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