Focus Group of Black Clinton (16)/Biden (20) voters considering voting for Trump

[brooklynite]

Before you rant, this is sponsored by The Bulwark, which is overtly pro-Biden in this election. The purpose is to understand elements of the electorate and what their thinking is as we move in to the General Election. Trump HAS gained Black voters and understanding why is the first step to adjusting our campaign message.

https://www.thebulwark.com/podcast-episode/s4-ep23-taken-for-granted-with-ashley-allison/

[Walleye]

1. How do you persuade people with facts when they would much rather believe the lies they already have in their head

And the lies are so much more attractive to some people than the truth. Particularly Republican men, it seems

[bdamomma]

2. Propaganda

is rotting peoples' brains.

[Keepthesoulalive]

3. Perhaps

You should consider why white people vote for trump.

[brooklynite]

4. Perhaps we should also acknowledge that Black people can think the way White people do...

Too many liberals seem to box all Black voters into a "racism" issue mindset as opposed to economics, health care, schools, neighborhood crime.....

[Keepthesoulalive]

7. Economics and healthcare

What is the slob father going to do about any of these issues? Why do some people continue to vote against their interests and question minority voters? The majority of white voters would vote for an authoritarian idiot who will destroy our country . Minorities are not stupid most of us know if he is elected it will be all about race ,woke,Muslims , gay, Transgender any one who is not white and male.

[brooklynite]

8. VP Harris' former Comms DIrector: "Black people want to be rich too"

You can't assume that everyone (Black or White) is as informed about issues as you are. To a lot of voters (esp. non-college educated) Trump is "rich" so he can help them become rich.

[Keepthesoulalive]

10. I keep asking

What do white people want?

[Demsrule86]

16. The Bulwark...should have known.

'The Bulwark is an American anti-Trump conservative news and opinion website launched in 2018 by Sarah Longwell, with the support of Bill Kristol and Charlie Sykes.' These folks have also been really interested in no labels as a destructive force. Be afraid Democrats; focus groups my ass. They have been posting scary stuff all year with little to no evidence.

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+bulwark+is+it+right+wing&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS1002US1002&oq=what+is+the+bulwark+is+it+right+wing&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOdIBCDY5NDlqMGo3qAIAsAIA&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[brooklynite]

20. Point to any evidence they support NO LABELS

They clearly support Biden in this election.

[Demsrule86]

14. There is no evidence to support this...and primaries sat otherwise. Pure garbage.

[brooklynite]

15. Actual voters?

Unless you want to imagine that a pro-Biden group is skewing their data.

nb: one of the first lessons I learned as a Ward Committeeman was: don't assume that the voters see things the way you do.

[maxrandb]

30. Despite their race

I place ALL Americans, who believe that Donnie Dipshit and Retrumplicans will be better for "economics, health care, schools, neighborhood crime....." in the category of fucking morons.

Oh, I get it. This is like listening to Rush Limbaugh everyday so Dems can "understand Humpty Dumpty Trumpty voters"

Or, maybe "Chickens for Colonel Sanders" is just KFC propaganda.

[LuvLoogie]

5. The lead-in cited the NYT Sienna poll.

They'll be back on the "bandwagon" once Joe gets rollin'.

The reasons they give for trump being a preferable alternative to Biden, are pretty superficial.

[republianmushroom]

6. Well I considered voting for trump, then rejected that as against "MY" best interest.

Some blacks and many woman will vote for trump "rejecting" that it is not
in their best interest.

[SoFlaBro]

9. What makes you so sure that Orange Shitbag has gained black voters? The primary results suggest fucking otherwise.

[Keepthesoulalive]

11. Thank you

I get tired of hearing black people are going to vote to slit their own throats. They need to look at their history to see that they are slitting the throat of the entire nation.

[SoFlaBro]

12. They keep trotting out these bullshitty assed polls that aren't worth a squirt of dog piss.

[Cha]

18. Yeah with No shame at all.

Time and Time again they've been proven WRONG but keep at it with the Negative Anti Pres Biden BULL.

[SoFlaBro]

25. They won't relent. They pore over & swear by the fucking things like they're the Torah or Bible or Book of Goddamn Life.

[Cha]

28. ...

[brooklynite]

23. This isn't a poll; it's actual voters talking about their thoughts on the election.

[SoFlaBro]

26. I'm sure somewhere there are black people that are excited to vote for that Orange Shitbag. Outliers.

There are also people that swear they were abducted by goddamn aliens and allowed to pilot the flying saucer.

[betsuni]

36. Good point.

[SoFlaBro]

41. Plus that fucking shitbag MAGA motherfucker

[maxrandb]

32. Because, for some reason

Retrumplican talking points need to be spewed on Democratic Underground.

Either this Focus Group was put together so "Dems can reach out to the unreachable", or it's designed to support the latest Retrumplican self-fulfilling prophecy.

I imagine you could find a "Rape Victims for Donnie Dipshit" Focus Group if you looked under enough rocks, but I doubt we'd learn anything from listening to them.

[Demsrule86]

13. I call bullshit on this.

[Cha]

19. The Yoozh..

[Cha]

17. I CAN RANT IF I FEEL LIKE.. any GD body voting For TSF is FULL of SHIT.

Fuck Them.

[ecstatic]

22. sadly, there is an element of truth. I'm witnessing it in real time

within my family and friends circle. None have admitted to thinking about voting for trump but they're tossing around the idea of staying home this fall. The common thread is SOCIAL FUCKING MEDIA.

The thing is, we have legitimate grievances that are never addressed but I've been reminding people that the issues that are being tossed about on social media are not new or unique under President Biden. The first step to changing things is to be consistent and to understand that one president alone cannot fix it. There's no need to vote for or enable a fascist who rolls with a bunch of white supremacists. Staying home will only make things worse.

Anyway, I'm going to pressure the hell out of everyone prior to the elections. In some cases, ultimatums will be issued. Anyone who assists in subjecting me to another 4 years of trump might get cut off, permanently.

[SoFlaBro]

27. I like this fucking idea. Time to trim the fucking fat from my life. When asked, "you don't give a shit about me..."

"...or women or gays or anyone else for that fucking matter."

[Afrocat]

31. Agree 100%

This right here, people being apathetic and staying home is a real problem. The majority of people cannot seem to grasp the concept of the long game and how long it takes to get anything done. It drives me crazy to hear it from young, and old alike, that they may as well not vote. If you can't be counted on the politician will need to court the votes of those that do, and I guarantee they don't want anything that's going to directly help you.Oh it might help you in passing because its common sense policy but its not going to address any direct grievances. While this isn't a new phenomenon, it is one that's been exacerbated by Tiktock, Instagram and Youtube pseudo intellectuals offering incomplete views gassing folks up about everything from Ukraine to school lunches.

[Think. Again.]

29. The bulwark is a conservative site...

It might be anti-trump, but it is certainly not pro-Biden.

From the DU 'Terms of Service':

"Don't peddle right-wing talking points, smears, or sources
Do not post right-wing talking points or smears. Do not post content sourced from right-wing publications, authors, or pundits. Exceptions are permitted if you provide a clear reason for doing so that is consistent with the values of this website.

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[brooklynite]

34. I take it you don't listen to their podcasts.

They support Biden as the only realistic choice to beat Trump. Just like the Lincoln Project.

[Think. Again.]

35. you're right...

...I absolutely do NOT give any credence to rightwing propaganda.

I find it questionable that you do.

[brooklynite]

37. If you imagine we can win the election with only the Democratic base you're being incredibly naive...

I'm not turning away any allies who want the same thing I do.

[Think. Again.]

38. I don't remember saying...

....we can win the election with only the Democratic base, goodness knows Biden won last time with a huge number of people who would not be considered his "base".

in fact, I thought we were discussing a conservative podcast.

[brooklynite]

39. So now its "conservative" and not "right wing"?

I'll work with them if the goal is getting Biden re-elected. If you have evidence they don't want Biden re-elected, please share.

[Think. Again.]

40. If you imagine 'conservative' doesn't equal 'rightwing'...

....you're being incredibly naive.

[MFM008]

33. Bull💩

Most will be on board by November.