Banning tik tok is wrong

[moonshinegnomie]

The house voted today to ban the app unless it’s sold.

That wrong. Period. I won’t install it on my phone but that’s my choice. The government should have no say over what app a private company chooses to put on their App Store especially one that is a social media app.

[Bucky]

1. Hakeem Jeffries agrees with you

He's also against an outright ban

[Marcus IM]

2. Tik Tok a Chinese company. Our "adversaries"...

... y'know, the same adversaries who make just about everything that forms and fills every American home and driveway.

[PortTack]

9. Don't be fooled mega and musk sell our information to the highest bidder

[Marcus IM]

20. Who's fooled?

[Bettie]

36. Apparently, a bunch of congresscritters

on both sides of the aisle.

[lapfog_1]

3. you know, there is a technical solution...

everyone knows how VPNs work... we could do a similar thing with the actual web data and apps...

invent an app that translates user X and their bank accounts and location data... and anonymize it out of the control of the Chinese. This would require the establishment of fake bank accounts, etc.

Then the data that tiktok captures is useless.

As for their shaping the posts/videos the things American see... I suppose we could control the content coming this way as well.

If Tiktok doesn't like it... they can stuff it and lose 100 M users in the USA.

It is sort of like a competing ap but not disconnected from tiktok in the rest of the world.

[Celerity]

4. These 50 Democrats voted against a bill that could lead to a TikTok ban

https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/202486

Bonamici Democratic Oregon NAY
Bowman Democratic New York NAY
Boyle (PA) Democratic Pennsylvania NAY
Bush Democratic Missouri NAY
Casar Democratic Texas NAY
Castro (TX) Democratic Texas NAY
Clark (MA) Democratic Massachusetts NAY
Clyburn Democratic South Carolina NAY
Espaillat Democratic New York NAY
Frost Democratic Florida NAY
Gallego Democratic Arizona NAY
García (IL) Democratic Illinois NAY
Garcia, Robert Democratic California NAY
Gomez Democratic California NAY
Hayes Democratic Connecticut NAY
Himes Democratic Connecticut NAY
Horsford Democratic Nevada NAY
Hoyle (OR) Democratic Oregon NAY
Jackson (IL) Democratic Illinois NAY
Jackson Lee Democratic Texas NAY
Jacobs Democratic California NAY
Jayapal Democratic Washington NAY
Kamlager-Dove Democratic California NAY
Khanna Democratic California NAY
Larsen (WA) Democratic Washington NAY
Larson (CT) Democratic Connecticut NAY
Lee (CA) Democratic California NAY
Lee (PA) Democratic Pennsylvania NAY
Lofgren Democratic California NAY
McGarvey Democratic Kentucky NAY
McGovern Democratic Massachusetts NAY
Meeks Democratic New York NAY
Meng Democratic New York NAY
Moore (WI) Democratic Wisconsin NAY
Mullin Democratic California NAY
Nadler Democratic New York NAY
Neal Democratic Massachusetts NAY
Ocasio-Cortez Democratic New York NAY
Omar Democratic Minnesota NAY
Phillips Democratic Minnesota NAY
Pocan Democratic Wisconsin NAY
Porter Democratic California NAY
Pressley Democratic Massachusetts NAY
Ramirez Democratic Illinois NAY
Schakowsky Democratic Illinois NAY
Swalwell Democratic California NAY
Torres (CA) Democratic California NAY
Vargas Democratic California NAY
Velázquez Democratic New York NAY
Williams (GA) Democratic Georgia NAY

Crockett Democratic Texas PRESENT

Connolly Democratic Virginia NOT VOTING
Davis (IL) Democratic Illinois NOT VOTING
Frankel, Lois Democratic Florida NOT VOTING
Grijalva Democratic Arizona NOT VOTING
Harder (CA) Democratic California NOT VOTING
Kim (NJ) Democratic New Jersey NOT VOTING
Tlaib Democratic Michigan NOT VOTING

[MichMan]

16. 155 voted in favor

[Celerity]

18. those are listed at the link I provided

[Tribetime]

5. I agree I used tiktok every day and youtube and facebook

But for some reason they're not concerned about other apps only TikTok.
Like joy reid said I smell a rat

[drray23]

6. not only is it wrong its shortsighted

if the argument is that there are concerns about data privacy, the same is true for most other social apps.

It's possible to buy data from Facebook about all sorts of things users do and are for example so the Chinese can also do that anyway.

If it is about stopping disinformation, again the same issue exist elsewhere.

That bill is taking a sledgehammer to a problem that requires a more targeted approach.

it's going to backfire big time. Another perfect example of our elected officials being uninformed about tech and the innerworkings of the internet platforms in general, yet legislating anyway.

[getagrip_already]

7. Its not a ban... its just forcing a sale

Let's get real.

Its not going to shut down tik tok.

Its just going to cut the cord to China.

That isn't wrong. That isn't bad. You won't even notice it.

Grow up.

[PortTack]

10. Getting real means finding a buyer...very few have that kind of money. If mush or meta buy it, they will ruin it

[getagrip_already]

11. Ruin what?

It would be a business deal. Musk aside, which wasn't business, no consortium is going to spend a hundred billion and spoil it.

They are going to try to grow it.

Nurture it.

Let it grow.

Musk had an agenda that had nothing to do with growing a company.

Don't worry about it.

[usonian]

12. What if a rich "suitable" buyer buys it?

You know the names of people able to do so.

Their names are recorded in the Forbes National Chapel of the Church of Money.

Joel Osteen has regular worship services for them.

They are not your friends, nor friends of democracy.

Only of more money, and they ALL surveil users mercilessly.

[LostOne4Ever]

39. Like we didn't notice the changes to Twitter

When Elon Musk bought it?

The LAST thing we need is Musk Rat (or any right wing billionaire) owning another major social media company.

[TheKentuckian]

8. Boomers wagon circle Faceborg and whatever Twitter is called today

Zoomers make TikTok the hill they want to die on and meanwhile our adversaries use these platforms to wreck havoc on our fragile democracy.

Y'all don't need any of this crap but act like the stars will fall from the sky.

[Ping Tung]

14. It's just a newer version of book burning.

People should be allowed to decide for themselves what media they should participate in.

[BannonsLiver]

37. It's actually not the same

Let’s all try and be less performative.

[ecstatic]

15. I understand their reasoning, but its not a good look with all the other important issues

that have not been addressed. Also, I don't want Pres Biden to be associated with this.

[MichMan]

17. Biden Backs Bill That Could Ban TikTok: 'If They Pass It, I'll Sign It'

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143206234

[ecstatic]

22. Pressure them to sell behind the scenes. Then, just as the sale is being finalized,

invite a bunch of tweens & students to the White House for the bill signing but shock everyone with a surprise veto. Fox News and trump will be in the middle of talking trash about Biden when it happens.

Rip up some papers and yell, "Free speech won't end on my watch!" Have all the kids cheer.

That would be a viral moment. lol.

Now if tiktok pulls a fast one after that, Biden would have to use his "immunity" powers.

Just kidding.

[redqueen]

19. I agree. Unless they can show some actual issue with it

this will backfire hard.

Surely they can come up with something more than it's owned by China so it must be bad.

[Yavin4]

21. How is tik tok any different than Fox News?

Both owned by a foreigner who wants to control public opinion.

[crickets]

43. Bingo. 👆👆

[Xolodno]

23. Are they going to force my anti virus software Kaspersky out as well?

I ordered two new mouse pads, looks like they are coming from China, are they now illegal?

I get not allowing it on government devices, plenty of software not allowed on most company owned devices. But an out right ban in the US? May as well be a limited embargo. And as far as security goes, didn't Russia hack a US company recently capturing a meeting between German officers?

Flip side, I get the hysteria, sadly. Ran into an old colleague recently. We used to work at the same company until they eliminated his department (then brought it back with younger people with less benefits), since he was a reservist, he used his contacts to get a job at the DoD. Always told me if I needed a job, let him know.

I eventually left the company for a non profit and happy. Ran into him again, and I mentioned a relative just got their degree in engineering. He asked for the name and gave me the website for one company that works with the DoD, said they are always hiring. I pointed out we have a Russian background. His response, "Oh we don't care about the Russians, they know as much as we do. It's the Chinese we worry about, they are not up to par with either one of us yet, but damn well trying to get there".

[progressoid]

34. Well, you can use Kaspersky but don't expect to see it at the DoD.

Homeland Security banned its use by Fed agencies 7 or 8 years ago.

[DemocratInPa]

24. Gen Z please vote for us..

Even though we are going to ignore your calls for Gaza, and ban your platform that you like, but please vote for us..

I already said Gen Z for change is now thanking the republicans who are against the ban.. This is going to blow up in Biden's face big if he signs this.

[womanofthehills]

27. It's blowing up over on TicToc

So now - the TicToc kids are all videoing themselves calling their senators offices & urging other kids to do the same. And - Biden’s quote is all over TicToc “If they pass it, I will sign it”

Trump is taking advantage of the situation- telling Gen Z - he’s fine with TicToc.

We were losing the young vote over Palestine- now add the kids freaking out over TicToc. Not just kids- 55% of Americans.

Whose idea was this???

[Drum]

31. "Whose idea" indeed!

🤔

[DemocraticPatriot]

25. I WILL install it on my phone NOW--- although I have no immediate plans to use it.

I agree with you.

And the government can't really "ban" the app--- it will continue to work for all those who are already using it.

They can only prevent the download sites from continuing to carry it--- in effect, preventing new users in this country from downloading it from a download site based in this country (although the more enterprising could likely download it from a foreign site, I suspect).


As far as the 'security threat', I think it's all bullshit.
DEMOCRATS and President Biden ought to oppose this effort,
because a big part of our base LOVES it.

Maybe I should figure out how to make my own little video and post it there! LOL
Maybe a video of me beating the hell out of a Trump effigy!
and then peeing on it! and then BURNING it! (hope the pee does not prevent ignition!)


Wow, that might generate a lot of views! HAHAHAHAHA

[RockRaven]

26. Tiktok is a cesspit of dangerous misinformation,

but who owns it -- or where that company is located -- hardly seems to be the cause of that. The cause of that seems to be... *checks notes*... unfettered amoral capitalism and myopic dumbassed users.

[womanofthehills]

30. What "dangerous info" have you seen over there?

Many are upset the kids are watching a genocide in real time. Otherwise - I see…

Lots of people dancing, lots of adorable kids, mixed race couples showing off their large big beautiful families, tons of severely disabled kids - getting good wishes from American kids, seniors dressing in sexy clothes & dancing, kids telling horrible life experiences etc. I haven’t felt any kids over on Twitter are trying to brainwash me - they are all very into themselves &
marketing their lifestyles - living in vans, cars, tiny houses etc. it’s endless & many are making a good living at marketing themselves.

[Oneironaut]

35. Twitter is as well, however.

Elon and the nuts on there spend all day race-baiting with fake stories.

[Mosby]

28. The government shut down file sharing apps.

They can regulate whatever they want.

[moonshinegnomie]

29. they were sued out of existance and charged with copyright violations

not really a free speech issue

[Basic LA]

32. As a geezer, I never had TikTok

But I'm getting it now just to see what's worrying all these flag wavers.

[Drum]

33. We might all simmer down about this

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🕊️

[kcr]

38. DU is such a strange place sometimes

Mention just about any other social media site and DU goes, "Hawwwwww!" and berates anyone who uses it to keep in touch with family. Until it's a Chinese owned app that mines our data for their government, and then it's, "Hawwww!" against anyone who has a problem with that.

[Act_of_Reparation]

42. Some of us remember the PMRC and Joe Lieberman's crusade against video games

...and are ill-inclined to alienate voters this close to a critical election.

But whatever. China scary. And stuff.

[kcr]

46. How would forcing China to divest

have any effect on the election? If anything, it will help it. And what in the ever loving what does this have to do with video games?

The only effect I see is the unfounded and fact free scare mongering among tik tok/China fans. They're no different than the gun nuts who claim gun control means they're gonna take away yer guns!

[Act_of_Reparation]

47. People tend to get upset when you threaten to take their toys away.

[Fla Dem]

40. The government absolutely should have the right and the responsibility to ban any

electronic, messaging system that can access private, sensitive, information from individuals who use the system unaware of a foreign countries collection of said data.

[Act_of_Reparation]

41. This is a "stand there stomping on your own dick" moment.

We'll take the kids' toys away from them, and then bellyache six months later when they don't show up to the polls.

I can hear the wailing and gnashing of teeth already.

[ripcord]

44. I find this highly amusing

Americans freaked out when they found the US government was retaining data but they are fine when the Chinese government does it as long as they get a good Tik-Toc challenge out of it.

[XorXor]

45. I go back and forth on this

I mean, I absolutely think it is wise to ban it from all federal employee's work devices. I also think people should be discouraged from using it. However, the idea of banning it seems too much like something China or Russia would do. That rubs me the wrong way. But at the same time, it is a risk .. but so are all the other social media networks.

Then there is the practical aspects of it. Sure, remove it from the stores, but people will just side load it. I supposed we could talk about blocking connections, but that some great firewall of China stuff.. it would also be mostly ineffective since VPNs will bypass that. Well, unless we get really really creepy