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highplainsdem

(50,164 posts)
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 11:08 AM Mar 2024

David Corn FTW





David Corn
@DavidCornDC

Dear @nytimes,

Good morning. How are you? I’m just wondering why in today’s paper there’s no mention of Mike Pence, Donald Trump’s former veep (as you know), saying he won’t endorse Trump. Not on the front page. Not inside. Seems kinda big. Are you okay?

Sincerely,

Concerned
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David Corn FTW (Original Post) highplainsdem Mar 2024 OP
Has any former cabinet member endorsed Trump? underpants Mar 2024 #1
Excellent question! Someone should start a list * Oopsie Daisy Mar 2024 #17
Interesting question. soldierant Mar 2024 #20
Trump claims 3. NBC found 4 people total who worked in his admin underpants Mar 2024 #34
Did he check the online version, which is what most people see? Ocelot II Mar 2024 #2
Scroll the online landing page unweird Mar 2024 #3
But Corn claimed the story wasn't there at all, which isn't true. Ocelot II Mar 2024 #4
He refers to print unweird Mar 2024 #5
I don't get the print edition (most people don't). It's possible Ocelot II Mar 2024 #7
In todays paper unweird Mar 2024 #9
serious ramifications? in what world? stopdiggin Mar 2024 #15
So a repuke shits on tRump FHRRK Mar 2024 #24
yeah. but, see - I don't expect the NYT to be a mouthpiece stopdiggin Mar 2024 #35
He claimed it wasn't in the print copy that he was obviously referring to. W_HAMILTON Mar 2024 #29
I just checked there on my phone dsc Mar 2024 #10
Damn Fucking Straight FHRRK Mar 2024 #25
WHY WOULD ANYONE THAT IS A DEMOCRAT MAKE AN ATTEMPT TO DEFEND TRUMP? FHRRK Mar 2024 #23
Who is defending Trump? I must have missed that. Ocelot II Mar 2024 #31
virtually no one on this thread stopdiggin Mar 2024 #36
Yeah, I was kind of wondering how questioning the accuracy of a xeet Ocelot II Mar 2024 #37
Intentional ignorance. TwilightZone Mar 2024 #6
Don't get your point FHRRK Mar 2024 #27
You'll notice it's often the same people, over and over. W_HAMILTON Mar 2024 #30
Who defended Trump? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2024 #32
a general distate for misinformation stopdiggin Mar 2024 #38
A Story was posted in there yesterday BootinUp Mar 2024 #8
AND HE'S WRITING ABOUT TODAY'S (SATURDAY) EDITION Tansy_Gold Mar 2024 #12
the implication (with the quite obvious snark) is of a dead silence stopdiggin Mar 2024 #16
If Vice President Harris markodochartaigh Mar 2024 #11
Thank you for this clarity! swimboy Mar 2024 #18
And especially markodochartaigh Mar 2024 #22
You need to note the DUers who are angry at Corn! nt FHRRK Mar 2024 #28
Why don't you? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2024 #33
They're just fascist pricks. Nothing to see. onecaliberal Mar 2024 #13
Because they're Not really a "News" paper.. .. Cha Mar 2024 #14
The reason... Snackshack Mar 2024 #19
Journalism at NYT is out sick ThoughtCriminal Mar 2024 #21
You have done a masterful moniss Mar 2024 #26
All of my lifetime is a long time to be out sick NanaCat Mar 2024 #39
When you've lost Hoosier Daddy, it's O-V-E-R? czarjak Mar 2024 #40

Oopsie Daisy

(3,210 posts)
17. Excellent question! Someone should start a list *
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 01:54 PM
Mar 2024

* on a fortune cookie slip.

Sanders of Arkansas was not a cabinet member, but I'm sure she's likely endorsed him, or pledged support.

soldierant

(7,422 posts)
20. Interesting question.
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 03:32 PM
Mar 2024

I don't know the answer. But one of the Substackers I subscribe to provided a link (accessible to all) to this - which may shed light on what they think:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/01/18/opinion/trump-cabinet-election-2024.html

If you have issues with blinking lights,you may not care for the blinking eyes in the caricatures

underpants

(184,076 posts)
34. Trump claims 3. NBC found 4 people total who worked in his admin
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 06:55 PM
Mar 2024
Whitaker was Acting Atty General for 3 months

NBC News reached out to 44 of the dozens of people who served in Trump's Cabinet over his term in office. Most declined to comment or ignored the requests. A total of four have said publicly they support his run for re-election. Several have been coy about where they stand, stopping short of endorsing Trump with the GOP primary race underway. Then there are those who outright oppose his bid for the GOP nomination or are adamant that they don't want him back in power.

The Trump campaign declined to comment beyond pointing to three former Cabinet members as people to contact — one of whom has endorsed Trump and two others who, when asked, didn't commit to endorsing him at this time.

Those backing Trump's bid for another term include former acting Attorney General Matthew Whitaker; Mark Meadows, his final chief of staff; former budget chief Russell Vought; and former acting director of national intelligence Richard Grenell, who in June tweeted "Trump 2024" above a tweet from Trump's main GOP rival, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-cabinet-endorsements-rcna96648



Ocelot II

(117,720 posts)
4. But Corn claimed the story wasn't there at all, which isn't true.
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 11:35 AM
Mar 2024

I'm no particular fan of the NYT these days, but facts are facts.

Ocelot II

(117,720 posts)
7. I don't get the print edition (most people don't). It's possible
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 11:47 AM
Mar 2024

that he was reading an edition that went to press before the story broke. If that's the case he should have just checked the online edition rather than suggest that they were killing a story, which they obviously didn't do.

unweird

(2,718 posts)
9. In todays paper
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 11:56 AM
Mar 2024

Not on line. He doesn’t mention online, he mentions in today’s paper. Not seen on front page or inside. But hey you have fun arguing about something you even admit you don’t know.

The gist of the original post is the deprioritization (if not outright suppression) of a story with serious ramifications.

stopdiggin

(11,874 posts)
15. serious ramifications? in what world?
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 01:41 PM
Mar 2024

Last edited Sat Mar 16, 2024, 06:54 PM - Edit history (1)

Mike Pence doesn't even carry any weight in his home state - much less GOP-land in general. So - as news it rates about a 1-2 day story. Notice anybody else that's making a big play or lather over this?

'serious ramifications' Oh boy! Now there's a stretch! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

FHRRK

(734 posts)
24. So a repuke shits on tRump
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 04:27 PM
Mar 2024

Two possible responses from a Democrat.
1. Pile on
2. STFU

You see any other viable options to winning?

W_HAMILTON

(8,156 posts)
29. He claimed it wasn't in the print copy that he was obviously referring to.
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 06:01 PM
Mar 2024

Do you have proof otherwise?

No?

Then don't rush in to fact check someone when they are correct and you are the one that is in the wrong.

dsc

(52,288 posts)
10. I just checked there on my phone
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 12:22 PM
Mar 2024

And it wasn't on their lead set of stories. I would bet my next 50 paychecks that if al gore were to say the same thing about Biden it would be the first story one would find on that site

FHRRK

(734 posts)
25. Damn Fucking Straight
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 04:29 PM
Mar 2024

So why are others not taking the same approach.

Let that imorral bitch defend or STFU!

WHY!

FHRRK

(734 posts)
23. WHY WOULD ANYONE THAT IS A DEMOCRAT MAKE AN ATTEMPT TO DEFEND TRUMP?
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 04:26 PM
Mar 2024

Why??????

From my perspective, to win, the options are to pile on, or to Shut up!

Ocelot II

(117,720 posts)
37. Yeah, I was kind of wondering how questioning the accuracy of a xeet
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 07:08 PM
Mar 2024

about whether NYT was covering a minor story about how a guy had decided not to endorse the candidacy of another guy who tried to get him killed, was somehow supporting Trump. Guess you have to toe the party line without questioning any facts, ever, or you're a Trump supporter.

TwilightZone

(26,304 posts)
6. Intentional ignorance.
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 11:38 AM
Mar 2024

It's been on the website since yesterday. His qualified "it's not in the print version" is intentionally misleading and just lazy.

93% of NY Times subscribers are for the online version. That's what nearly everyone sees.

We really should stop falling for this shit instead of applauding or glorifying it.

FHRRK

(734 posts)
27. Don't get your point
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 04:33 PM
Mar 2024

Why any defense for the Orange Shitstain from the left?

I will give you my point of view, Anything negative for tRump or questioning the media for NOT questioning tRump is in play.

Why would anyone defend tRump or the NYT?

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,911 posts)
32. Who defended Trump?
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 06:38 PM
Mar 2024

Is it the bitch you think needs to STFU? Are you saying DUers are defending Trump? I know some have been calling him an evil genius, but they aren't in this thread.
Reading comprehension an issue, or do you just not understand how to reply to posts?

Tansy_Gold

(17,978 posts)
12. AND HE'S WRITING ABOUT TODAY'S (SATURDAY) EDITION
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 12:45 PM
Mar 2024

I mean, it's only been posted twice now on DU, and everyone is blaming Corn for not looking at the online edition, but who bothers to check dates?

I don't get the print edition, and I won't pay to read even the headlines on that sleazy right wing rag, but maybe Corn's complaint has less to do with print vs. online and more to do with Saturday vs. Friday.

Just sayin'.

(I can't believe after more than 20 years on this site I'm starting to lose faith in DUers.)

stopdiggin

(11,874 posts)
16. the implication (with the quite obvious snark) is of a dead silence
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 01:50 PM
Mar 2024

Last edited Sat Mar 16, 2024, 07:11 PM - Edit history (1)

Corn just sort of glossed over the fact that the Times had covered it at all. But that's how we roll ...

markodochartaigh

(1,487 posts)
11. If Vice President Harris
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 12:45 PM
Mar 2024

had said that she wouldn't support President Biden it would have been on the front page of the print edition as well as featured in the online edition with multiple stories and opinion pieces scattered throughout both editions for days. And for people who say that "OK, but they are currently in office"; to me it is the same difference. Both President Biden and former President Trump are the only serious candidates for office.

swimboy

(7,295 posts)
18. Thank you for this clarity!
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 02:19 PM
Mar 2024

I don’t understand DUers taking time out of their day to be angry at David Corn over this!

markodochartaigh

(1,487 posts)
22. And especially
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 04:18 PM
Mar 2024

when DUers are angry and argumentative with each other. Surely there are enough trolls anyplace on the internet that we can leave condescension, vitriol, opprobrium, and personal attacks to them.

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,911 posts)
33. Why don't you?
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 06:40 PM
Mar 2024

You've already called someone a bitch and told them to STFU. Who were you addressing?

Cha

(300,792 posts)
14. Because they're Not really a "News" paper.. ..
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 01:30 PM
Mar 2024

NYT is Propaganda Central. The news they Deem Fit to report.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
19. The reason...
Sat Mar 16, 2024, 03:00 PM
Mar 2024

… is obvious as it is with many of the so called “news” stories. Always framed in a way that allows it to retain some hint of legitimacy when in reality there is none. In a world that only exists in my memory now where factual news was reported by Walter Cronkite, Mike Wallace or Barbra Walter’s, what former vp pence does/did (which also in reality) amounts to approximately a handful of horseshit would not be given the O2 it would take to speak of it by any of the 3.

They would be reporting on actual news. That would go something like this I imagine or hope…

“Today private citizen tfg continued to lie, threaten America as he has done since he instigated an insurrection that ended several American lives and did millions in damage to the Capitol building on January 6 2020. This was done to interrupt the peaceful transfer of power to newly elected President Joe Biden, something America has been able to do without incident since its founding in the 1700’s. TFG adjudicated as an insurrectionist in a legal decision by a Circuit Court for inciting a crowd that stormed the capitol and broke in chanting various threats toward the VP and members of congress should be disqualified per the 14th amendment.”

Cronkite would sign off his broadcast at some point as he did when he laid out the stark simple reality of the Vietnam War, also. Reminding the DOJ the sitting President and current members of Congress how tfg lied about a deadly virus and did all he could to slow/stop the response. How he told us “Disinfectant Injections” might cure the….”Hoax” and how to date 1.2million + Americans are now dead more than any other single death event in our entire history and how the constitution specifically calls out an act against the United States of America or its Citizens by another citizen is treason, if it was another country it would be war plus the stealing of Top Secret info is treason as well. At this point it would only be reasonable to ask how tfg is not in a cell but instead still lying and threatening us weekly?

Next up would be the gop for its support and cover of this and everything else tfg did and rightly ask WTF has happened to that party. Law & Order has been kicked to curb, Accountability kicked to curb, Fiscal Conservatism kicked to the curb….the malfeasance in scotus vacancies and hypocrisy after going completely insane when 4 died in Benghazi, spending millions and holding years worth of hearings where HRC testified for 11hrs,…. yet they have not said a word about all the Americans lost to COVID or all the lies.

The 1st reason for this is simple. Broadcasters lobbied congress all through the 80-90 and with the help of both parties gutted the rule for broadcaster consolidation and when news became part of the entertainment department of some global corp and was told be profitable or be fired congress gave itself all the power since it controls access and could simply cut off a network and watch the news department slowly die one unprofitable quarter after another until the department was back filled with Sean Hannitys and Jesse Waters.

The 2nd reason is this PC age we live in where being critical of anything is to be automatically attacked for being unpatriotic, racist, bigot, suffering from pedigree collapse… you name it and even though growing up I was always told its ACTIONS v. WORDS that is also complete 🐎 💩 it is all about perceptions. If we have learned ANYTHING from tfg and GOPs constant lies and criminal behavior it’s that perception is King 👑.

 

NanaCat

(2,332 posts)
39. All of my lifetime is a long time to be out sick
Sun Mar 17, 2024, 01:03 AM
Mar 2024

I've never known the NYT not to promote the viewpoints of the authoritarian wealth class. Oh, they might cough up a story on a rare occasion that supports the peons or reality in some way, but it's always a move calculated to maintain the illusion that they're not an authoritarian mouthpiece.

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