TSF is giving MAGAts what they want: Permission to kill liberals

[BWdem4life]

That's the bottom line here, and yet there are still people parsing his words as though word-parsing is the proper response.

God help us all (and I include the MAGAts, because we won't just lie down and die like they think we will.)

A long time back here on DU somebody had reassured me that "the justice system will hold.". Will it? With each passing day I am less sure.

[Think. Again.]

1. K&R

[LearnedHand]

2. I already don't think the justice system has held

Our greatest balance and protection used to be SCOTUS. Clearly that has been manipulated to uphold and protect VASTLY minority views. I don’t know what other protections there are, given that governing clearly now comes from the ol “balls and strikes” bench.

[hlthe2b]

3. Eight years of Trump and his tactics OUGHT to have removed the gullibility, but, alas...

How damned predictable was it that the campaign "clean-up" crew has already been out claiming he meant an "economic" blood bath.

How many similar deplorable statements have they similarly "cleaned up" in a truly nonsensical manner in the past years and especially recently? How many will the gullible among us absorb?

[sop]

4. "Fascists do not tell their followers who to kill, they tell them who to hate, then let human nature take its

course." Trump is a RW fascist demagogue, he routinely traffics in the language of hate and violence. He knows exactly what he's doing when he stands before MAGA crowds and riffs on rhetorical violence.

[skydive forever]

5. The justice system has not held.

3 years on and still no accountability for TFG. Where is our right as citizens to see the law enforced.

[GAJMac]

7. Agreed

I'm sick and tired of people with money buying the kind of justice that is unavailable to everyone else. The police and the "justice system" is little more than a private protection force for the wealthy.

[LearnedHand]

9. Agree squared

I have very little emotional room left to manage the depth of moral injury from these years of Trumpism. I’m sick to the center of my being of being lied to and then told it’s me, not the perpetrators.

[OldBaldy1701E]

13. Hear Hear!!

[Evolve Dammit]

6. Agreed. And not just "libruls." Anyone who isn't white, xtian, straight or "disloyal". Plug for M. Cohen.

[BWdem4life]

21. They won't kill Black people who side with them...

They need them for photo ops to prove they aren't racist.

[B.See]

28. No they don't. They'll just Photoshop that sht

Like they've already done.

[Evolve Dammit]

32. Totally. Drumpf and Dad were convicted of housing discrimination in largest case in NYC history. My hope is that

people that vote (and those who don't too) connect the dots. Most families don't have the time to digest/search for real news.
And most are in their respective silos.
The numbing (and continued dumbing) of America continues and with AI, it's the wild west IMHO. OK I'm done

[NickB79]

8. Liberals need to SERIOUSLY reconsider their stance on gun ownership

Because Trump's supporters will eventually go full Nazi on their enemies if given half a chance. And they'll welcome non-violent protests against their regime as an opportunity to kill liberals, because they view us as less than human.

I'm not saying we need to buy arsenals. I am saying you should at least know how to use firearms, and probably own one of you're comfortable with doing so.

[dalton99a]

12. +1. Whatever it takes to protect yourself and your family

[Trueblue1968]

43. Well remember .... Self defence. Shoot back if you have too

Defend yourself and your family. I am sure if Biden is President, military would be on our side.

[TeamProg]

10. Because killing LIBERALS is the Chistian thing to do! ( Sarcasm?)

[kairos12]

11. The idea that we progressives would just

go yeah MAGA do whatever you want without a seismic reaction by us is insane.

I was taught, never start a fight, and never walk away from a fight.

[Ford_Prefect]

14. I wonder how he would feel if we applied his logic to our side of the equation?

Would exterminating MAGA be considered self-defense? An ounce of prevention being worth a pound of cure, and all that?

I am not advocating this at all. I am exploring the logical(sic) ramifications of weaponizing political discourse.

I know how I feel when some rich entitled jerk wants to build 30 new upper price range homes up stream and right across the drainage which feeds my well. 30 large homes feeding their septic wastes into the upstream land above my well. I start thinking in terms of what a carefully aimed 105 howitzer shell might accomplish. The only real question I have is whom to target and when? The developer, or his survey crew, or the machines as they arrive, or the houses, or the county commissioners who set up this atrocity?

I respect that we are a nation of laws. I strongly believe in due process and fair adjudication. How I feel about the situation I describe above is that someone is out to poison me and mine, while the legal system only applies effect AFTER those houses and septic systems are built.

Imagine I was a MAGA willing to ignore the law because I don't agree with it. How would that end?
How long do you think MAGA leaders would last If we chose their methods to accomplish our agendas. Would they make it across the parking lot?

While I know this is certainly NOT the pathway to a working government, or to resolve political issues, I do not see or hear the MAGA crowd having the same reserve, or the will to settle differences without applying rage to solve them.

[Hekate]

15. Anyone who isn't them: Black people, brown people, and women

[BWdem4life]

22. Unless they side with them and can be used at rallies etc as props.

And there will always be some who allow themselves to be used that way.

[TexasDem69]

26. Trump got a shitload of the female vote

He won 44% of the female vote, 38% of the Hispanic vote, and 28% of the Asian vote. He also won 12% of black men. This “isn’t them” concept that I see every now and then just doesn’t hold up.

[NanaCat]

36. Do you think they'll care who

Voted for them? They don't care about that. They hate, and they especially hate women and brown people. They won't bother asking about voting records when they're on a rampage. It will be kill first, let their deity sort them out. Jews who voted for Hitler went to the camps just like the ones who voted otherwise. You do know that, right?

[spike jones]

16. here is the quote. i saved it because it was/is my hope too.

Copied from someone many months ago. “The Judiciary branch is strong and will hold.”
‘A few weeks ago, a dear old friend, a Republican-appointed federal judge, trying to console me during a moment of despair about the future of our country, said to me “The Judiciary branch is strong and will hold.” When I expressed skepticism, he leaned toward me, looked me dead in the eye, and said as firmly as he could without shouting: “We are strong and WE. WILL. HOLD.”
Today, thanks to Judge Mehta, I think he may be right ...”
‘
Me now, if it does not hold, democracy is dead in USA.

[markodochartaigh]

25. During the Trump years

we often saw the regime's plans frustrated by the Constitution or the courts. The Republicans have been working on a new Constitutional Convention for decades and obviously they have been trying harder and harder to tilt courts at all levels their way. Another Trump term and a couple of states even temporarily taken by Republicans and all bets could be off.

As to the strength of the judicial system, it can be judged by those at the top, who have likely lived lives of social and economic privilege and much of whose self-image is vested in the system; or it can be judged by those at bottom of society when 95% of those incarcerated never received a trial.

[AverageOldGuy]

17. What will they do . . .

. . . about us armed liberals? Who will shoot back. Or maybe even shoot first.

[lame54]

19. You won't get a pardon

[lame54]

18. They will have immunity by proxy

[33taw]

20. What is TSF?

[BWdem4life]

23. "The Sick Fuck."

Coined by Biden

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/west-wing-playbook/2024/02/01/what-biden-really-says-about-trump-behind-closed-doors-00139178

[tornado34jh]

24. It's time to consider MAGA a domestic terrorist group and Trump a terrorist leader

Enough of this bullshit, put them under Guantanamo like the Islamist terrorists. If you or I did this, we wouldn't see the light of day anymore. Stop being weak, revoke his bond, and say anyone who supports him should be considered a terrorist. It's because we have a weak system that favors the rich that results in where we are now.

[TexasDem69]

27. What crime did he commit?

And you want to imprison the 60 million Americans who support Trump? On what grounds?

[tornado34jh]

29. Do you not think that what he is saying amounts to potential terrorism against his enemies?

He has made clear wants to be a dictator on day one. We know his cult will follow anything he says. How likely do you think his cult members could end up murdering people? There is something called the felony murder rule, whereby if someone is killed, the offender and whoever his/her accomplices are may be found guilty of murder. But Trump would be considered the mastermind. If I did the same thing as what Trump was saying, do you think I would get that much leeway? Heck, Islamist terrorists don't get that much leeway. How many times have we seen his followers go out and attack anything that doesn't fit their ideology? The reality is, you are not going to reason with them no matter how many times you try and present the facts. But if we and the justice system don't take that threat seriously, it will be filled with Trump loyalists, and then who will be out there to defend us? They could just indict someone on trumped-up charges for no reason.

[TexasDem69]

31. "Potential terrorism" isn't a crime

At least not that I’m aware of. The First Amendment protects all sorts of speech. We don’t put people in jail because we dislike their views, even if their views are demonstrably horrible, like Trump’s are.

And how in the world can the felony murder rule have any relevance here. We don’t live in the pre-crimes world (a reference to Minority Report).

Trump’s comments might be deplorable but they aren’t criminal.

[tornado34jh]

33. Well either way, Trump is betting that the justice system is too weak to put him in prison

Regardless of if it is criminal or not, we have to start taking it seriously. Voting alone is not going to be enough, especially if you have people who believe the last election was stolen. That didn't stop a potential insurrection from occurring. I read somewhere a lot of the FBI and DOJ are Trump sympathizers. If we don't remove them, your democracy is gone. You may be right in terms of the First Amendment, but that doesn't mean we should just it let it go. Dictators know that if they can find weaknesses, such as the judiciary, voting, etc., it will be easy for them to get power and it will be very difficult to remove.

[NanaCat]

37. So ignore the potential terrorism to what the real crime is

Which is making threats of violence, something that puts people in jail, all the time.

Does that work for you yet?

[TexasDem69]

39. What crime did Trump commit?

Point me to a state or federal statute that you think he violated?

[NanaCat]

38. Another problem:

His words have resulted in political violence, and even death. Al Qaeda got labeled a terrorist group not for their threats but for following through on them.

So why label one group that makes threats of violence then follows through on them a terrorist group, but not the other?

[TexasDem69]

40. Al Qaeda is a terrorist group because it committed terrorism

Not because it threatened terrorism.

[BWdem4life]

42. Headed by a guy who didn't fly a plane into a building.

He just encouraged other people to do it for him. Sound familiar?

Should they have waited till Osama Bin Laden actually destroyed the WTC to try and stop him from organizing the attack?

[SoFlaBro]

30. Pol Potbelly wants MAGA to kill and execute anyone outside of the regime. Fuck this violent piece of hog shit.

[FakeNoose]

34. He wouldn't be talking like this if he thought he's going to win in November

No - he KNOWS he's going to lose, and it's going to be even worse than 2020.

[TexasDem69]

35. If you or anyone else here thinks that is true

The you should exercise your Second Amendment rights and purchase a firearm or two for self-defense. I promise you the MAGA crowd is armed.