If it is not about a literal bloodbath

[Bernardo de La Paz]

tRump could so easily post a statement simply and clearly stating "I do not condone violence. I want all my supporters to be calm whatever the election result. I only meant a metaphor for the auto industry."

He could easily but won't.

And that is the real tell.

[malaise]

1. He won"t

Rec

[bif]

2. However, there will continue to be endless posts here

From folks taking what he said out of context. Count on it.

[drray23]

5. I think the point is really how the maga cultists hear it, not thinking people.

Trump is very good at speaking like that to his cult. They are not concerned about context. They hear the message loud and clear.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

19. They say

Too bad PDJT can’t say anything in response.
17 posted on 2024-03-17, by Steely Tom ([Voter Fraud] == [Civil War])

It was that one that got me thinking. Of course he can say something! He might but at best it will be late and weasily trying to gain plausible deniability.

[Voltaire2]

11. It's not that simple.

He echoed the other interpretation: the literal bloodbath, soon after the ‘auto bloodbath’, claiming that if he lost that would be the last election.

There is deliberate framing and word choice here. They’ve been consistently claiming that elections are fraudulent. Not only claiming but actually violently attempting to prevent the constitutional process. This campaign of theirs has not subsided since J6, it’s amplified. There are local groups all over the country, well funded groups, deliberately trying to take control of elections and change the election processes.

We are looking at an outcome in November between an Orban style fascist regime and a likely insurrection much larger than J6.

Because our government has failed to suppress an organized and well funded conspiracy to overthrow the constitutional government, that conspiracy (which is pretty much out in the open) is poised to take power through the legal process, allowing it to claim legitimacy and actually making it much more dangerous than an illegitimate regime.

But yeah, ‘the context’.
Perhaps the context needs some context.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

14. So Trump wins or there is a coup because Biden isn't doing anything

Sounds like a good reason not to vote since the outcome is forgone.

[Justice matters.]

15. I don't think "telling" DUers on DU not to vote will fail.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

18. I'm not the one who implied the outcome is foreordained and that Biden is letting it happen NT

[Voltaire2]

17. The fuck no. Voting is the bare minimum.

It is at least a non-violent way to block the worst outcome. But it is clear, in the context of 'shit Trump says' that they are messaging their base and the message is pretty fucking clear.

[viva la]

34. Biden is doing a lot.

Not sure what you mean there. He's accomplished more in 3 years than most presidents in history.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

43. I agree.

Apparently others don’t think so.

[betsuni]

32. Could you please explain how the government failed?

If they are poised to take power through the legal process, how would that same legal process be able to stop them if it's so corrupt? Or do you mean the Biden administration or others, and what could they do?

[Voltaire2]

47. Nobody within Trump's inner circle

has been charged with conspiracy to overthrow the government- with sedition. That should have happened within weeks of the failed coup. Every one of these shitheads should have been held without bail until tried. They were and are a clear and present danger to our republic.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

48. Your post assumes that all the evidence was available in the first weeks

... and the conspirators didn't make efforts to hide it.

Consider Navarro's phone as an example.

[RunnoDeMille]

30. ..and Yet Trump Excels at Implying What He Doesn't Quite Say...

[hlthe2b]

3. For the life of me, I do not know why we need to convince DUers that Trump says what he means...

no matter the attempts to explain it away, to excuse it, or for the campaign to "re-state."

This is a pattern with him. When will some of our fellow Dems (and DUers) see that?

[Sneederbunk]

4. Throwing ketchup is not a bloodbath.

[GiqueCee]

21. C'mon...

... think about it. Throughout the months leading up to his nomination and throughout ALL of his 2016 campaign, Trump encouraged violence against those who dared to question him, and more than a few people were seriously injured by the bags of rat shit that believed him when he said he'd pay their bail and legal bills if they beat the shit out of journalists, or anyone else he singled out, which they did, repeatedly. And that was when he was just running for the attention a malignant narcissist craves. Now he's running for his fuckin' life. Literally. And you don't think he means it? Seriously?
He told the J6ers to fight. So they did. And people died and hundreds went to prison. Now his wealth and freedom are in the crosshairs, and you don't think he'd kill to stay out of prison?
You're not paying attention, ol' son.

[viva la]

35. i don't think Trump would kill... because he'll get his minions to do it for him.

He's already got some who have sent bombs (that failed) to media and the Obamas. Then there was the one who was going to shoot up an FBI office.

And of course his "J6 Patriots" who beat cops and trampled one of their own.

There's a whole bunch of them just waiting for him to say the word.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

39. But he already has killed

... hundreds of thousands by callous disregard for life and science, in excess of those who would otherwise have died in the pandemic. Instead he sent his son-in-law Jared chasing profits.

[GiqueCee]

44. He would kill the same way Manson did...

... exactly as you suggested, by exhorting his minions to do it. But he's still be guilty of those murders, just as Manson was.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

37. So......

just who is it he's going to kill to stay out of prison?

I'd say Heinze and Hunts stock is a good bet.

[GiqueCee]

45. Stochastic terrorism...

... is so named because the violence is the point, not any particular victim. A targeted murder can, in a sense, be compartmentalized; random acts of homicidal terrorism are all the more horrific because it doesn't matter WHO dies, just that SOMEBODY dies. Which means that it could be you, or me.
And, as insane as he is, he ain't about to jeopardize his ketchup supply!

[stopdiggin]

6. it was clearly a prediction. it beomes a call

for that result - only by the application of imagination or conjecture.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

7. A prediction like that without a condemnation is a call. . . . nt

[stopdiggin]

8. Huh? -(nt)-

[Bernardo de La Paz]

22. We are agreed it was a prediction. If he did condemn the implication, then it would not be a call

But he has not condemned the implied violence from his supporters. Which he could easily do. Since he has not condemned the implication his supporters would be bloodily violent if he lost, it has the effect of a call.

Yes, technically, "imagination and conjecture" are required on both parts D/R to envisage violence for or against various entities. But the claim by the reich wing is that only Ds are imagining things.

Your invocation of "imagination and conjecture" was terse and it was not clear as to whether you were talking down the idea of tRump calling for violence or if you were talking about the imaginations of magas converting his words into actions or talking about the envisioning of violence.

So "Huh?" right back at you.

[ancianita]

20. A call that can't be proven legally. And Trump knows it.

[Rocknation]

9. I'll settle for a "blueblood bath" of votes

like the one that wiped him out in 2020 -- which would allow him to brag about being the only presidential candidate to lose the popular vote three times in a row.

ADTA: America, Dump Trump Again


Rocknation

[RunnoDeMille]

26. Your Mouth to God's Ear ... Let It Be SO

[Emile]

10. Exactly

[DFW]

12. It is about a literal bloodbath.

He has certainly been advised by legal counsel that he can tell them to go wild in the streets as long as he clearly states, prior to the election, that he does not mean for people to take him literally.

(wink, wink, thumbs up, wink, wink, fingers crossed, wink wink)

A few days after election day, and the election has been called for Biden by all major news outlets, and after most of the bodies have been identified: "I never meant for this to happen. I am appalled that anyone would do such a thing. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families."

[dalton99a]

23. +1

[GiqueCee]

46. The corporate media...

... would fucking LOVE for the shitbrained morons that support Trump to go berserk and splatter librulz all over the landscape. If it bleeds, it leads! I think it was Les Moonves who said that Trump is a horrible person, but he's great for ratings, which is all those at the top of the media food chain care about. It's all that the Gangrenous Boil on the Ass of Humanity cares about, too. PAY ATTENTION TO MEEEE!

Fair warning to the aforementioned shitbrained morons: I am a Liberal who can, and will, shoot back. And I don't miss.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

40. I think you overestimate

the abilities of his legal counsel to convey that message to him, and his ability to comprehend the message, and his ability to keep his moldy anus mouth shut.

Whose bodies will be identified? If there are bodies to be identified, they will belong to MAGAts. This idea of invincible evil genius *rump and his MAGAts is really really getting old.

[DFW]

50. You miss my point entirely

I’m in no way implying any kind of evil genius. I’m implying that enough well-armed, violence-prone primitives will take “bloodbath” from their perceived fearless leader to be a carte blanche to remove whatever previous inhibitions they may have had against wholesale slaughter of their perceived enemies.

[rampartc]

52. this is the winner

if trump does not know exactly the kind of literal minded open carry lunacy of which a random number of these self radicalized extras from "red dawn" will gleefully commit to please their dear leader, he is kinda stupid , isn't he?

[0rganism]

13. "Will no one rid me of this turbulent democracy?"

In another thread, a poster (sop) eloquently noted: "Fascists do not tell their followers who to kill, they tell them who to hate, then let human nature take its course."

Trump bolsters his support among his violent minions while preserving plausible deniability and mainstreaming his plans for coup d'état, win-win for his legally impervious ass.

[SoFlaBro]

16. Pol Potbelly won't say a goddamn thing if it stokes the fires of fucking hate in his piss-soaked base.

[KS Toronado]

24. If he was talking about the auto industry, he'll be responsible for the bloodbath

Raise tariffs 100% means it doubles the cost of a vehicle. Granted he did say foreign but he did mention
Mexico in that line of thought and I believe Ford & G. M. both have plants down there.

Meanwhile questions I plan on using on repugs in my red town this coming week ..........

" Who are you going to kill to make tRump great again?"

"You willing to go to prison for him, if his plan fails?"

" How will having the whole Country in a bloodbath Make America Great Again?"

[Deuxcents]

33. Why the auto industry? Is he saying this because Biden was on the picket line?

[MorbidButterflyTat]

41. The hamster on the wheel of

his alleged "brain" hasn't told him yet.

He spews whatever words happen to flit by at any particular moment in time.

[KS Toronado]

49. Spot on!

[Dave Bowman]

25. He wants a bloodbath and

his pal Putin wants to use nukes. Two peas in a pod, two insane maniacs.

[The Unmitigated Gall]

27. It isn't. He's signalling...

But carefully maintaining plausible deniability.

He’s relying on his cult to take it over the line.

[TBF]

28. At this point not sure if this clown should be in prison

or a lockdown retirement home. He's either declining cognitively (and let's face it that was a pretty low bar even when he was younger) or he means what he says in which case he's continuing to try to incite violence.

[marble falls]

29. As if his basket of deplorables get that subtlety. They're already armed. They've already committed violence ...

... taking the Capital, the Michigan Statehouse, their invasion Charlottesville and plenty of the other bloody outrages. To deny or over devalue the effect of his words, explicit or misunderstood, is short sighted. He knows what he's saying. He knows the RW takes its marching orders from them.

Is it free speech, or is it a call to some illegal action? Do we clog courts with this crap. He's running out of road. A lot of the delays in his trial so far actually remove a corresponding ground for appeal after he's found guilty. For example: he delayed a couple of weeks with Fani Willis' love life. So now he doesn't get to appeal the final guilty verdict and take months staying out of jail.

He's running out of road.

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We're in the crowd just waiting for it.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

51. Good analogy, running out of road. Sure seems like it to me

I can understand his taking over the RNC, but the way it has unfolded has shown his desperation.

He (through his robot Lara Trump) is shutting out GOP candidates, focusing on constricting the vote (suing Michigan for starters) while also pushing one single tactic: "ballot harvesting". They have vowed that every penny will go to tRump's campaign.

That's desperation.

[viva la]

31. He promised 100% tariff on Chinese vehicles....

And all his minions and other GOP cowards pretend that's okay.

Who pays for tariffs? Not the exporters. The customers.

Talk about inflation!
And why? Oh, maybe it's because he's trying to get Elon Musk to support him, and Musk will benefit because his Teslas will suddenly look cheaper?

So there won't just be a bloodbath on voters... but on the economy and the auto industry and the people who want to buy cars.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

36. Tesla Mexico

I agree with most of your points. tRump has made overtures to Musk, but if 100% tariff on 100% of vehicles is his way of courting him, it is very odd to say the least.

https://www.tesla.com › es_mx
Autos eléctricos, energía solar y limpia | Tesla México
Tesla es la marca líder en autos eléctricos, energía solar y limpia. Conoce sus innovadores productos, como el Model 3 y el Model X, que ofrecen una autonomía, seguridad y rendimiento incomparables. Descubre también cómo Tesla está revolucionando la inteligencia artificial y la robótica, y cómo puedes formar parte de su visión sustentable.

https://www.cnn.com › 2023 › 03 › 01 › business › tesla-mexico-plant › index.html
Tesla to build next plant in Mexico | CNN Business
Mar 2, 2023 Tesla's next vehicle assembly plant will be in Mexico near Monterrey, CEO Elon Musk announced Wednesday. "We're super excited about it," Musk said during an investor day for the company.

[viva la]

55. I thought Trump was only going to penalize Chinese cars

Who knows-- it's not like this is an authentic policy proposal. He just wants to give his minions more hate-jolts. "China! Mexico! We hate them!"

[Bernardo de La Paz]

56. "every single car that comes across the line"

“We’re going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you’re not going to be able to sell those cars if I get elected,” Trump said. “Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole — that’s gonna be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That will be the least of it. But they’re not going to sell those cars. They’re building massive factories.”

[viva la]

57. Wow. Well, Elon's not going to stand for his Tesla sales being endangered.

Trump is such a blowhard braggart. Once he gets going, he just keeps spewing destruction diarrhea. And sometimes it might actually hurt him too.
He was trying to get Musk to buy Truth Social, and of course he would love for Musk to pay off these huge fines for him. But he can't help himself. Got to spew!

[marble falls]

53. Chinese vehicles that cost a third of Tesla, with 250 mile charges. That I think are easier on the eye than a Testla.

[Lovie777]

38. Right now...................

there are tons of polls in favor of shithole. Why?

Right now, shithole's newly complete take over the RNC where they are beginning to sue states of voting violations. Why?

Right now, aggressive spouting of violence "if" shithole loses, why?

Right now, corporate media is still kissing shithole's arse, why?

But alas, one factor, if I believe it or not, VP Pence said he will not vote for shithole and right now, has shithole condemned him for it. But it's still early.

[Wounded Bear]

42. Dog whistles and double entendres are there stock in trade...

and few better at it than the tangerine tyrant.

[claudette]

54. He won't because

the word “bloodbath” conveys to his violent disciples exactly what he wants WHEN he loses in November.