There was post regarding that "trump's bloodbath speech was taken out of context", but was instead "meant concerning a

[JohnSJ]

"bloodbath in the auto industry". That also happens to be the talking point the republican surrogates are pushing.

It was a legitimate topic for discussion though.

Here is what I think the problem is with that interpretation:

When Trump said, “Now, if I don’t get elected, it’s gonna be a bloodbath. That’s going to be the least of it. It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country.”

and while that comment came in the section of trump's speech when he was discussing the auto industry, it was NOT clear that it was definitely connected to that, since he added that it would be a "bloodbath for the country", not the auto industry,.

and in the same speech, when comments about undocumented immigrants "NOT being "people"... these are animals", WTF are we supposed to think.

Have we already forgotten when he said directly to the proud boys prior to January 6th, "stand back and stand by"

After everything he has done, WHY SHOULD HE BE GIVEN THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT?

Are we that stupid?

Unfortunately, I fear the country might be

[SoFlaBro]

1. MAGA is scrambling to cover Orange Bastard stepping on his own ass with that exact fucking explanation.

[JohnSJ]

5. Of course they are, that is what they do. This "poor little trump" is being persecuted excuse is quite tiresome. There

is only one person to blame for the classified documents case, the Georgia case, and the insurrection, and that is Donald Trump. He has no one to blame but himself, and it is a disgrace that the party he associates with sings his praises.

The republicans were given multiple chances to redeem themselves, and instead they doubled down.

[SoFlaBro]

7. I'm wondering why so fucking many want to take up for that orange bag of boiled owl shit.

[MadameButterfly]

13. You'd think they'd let him go down and free themselves from their bondage

How long will it take for them to realize they aren't happy?

[JohnSJ]

17. Hopefully 2024 will be a reckoning for them, but I suspect it is so entrenched within their cult, that it will take

much longer

[japple]

24. Yeah. And he's the only "persecuted" rapist running for re-election.

[SoFlaBro]

66. That Orange Bastard is a pedophile rapist shitbag. He can't wait for the bloodbath this November.

[senseandsensibility]

2. Anyone who gives this freak the benefit of the doubt after what we've

been through for the past seven years is either disingenuous or foolish or both.

[H2O Man]

50. + 1

[liberal N proud]

52. Example: January 6th

[Torchlight]

3. I don't think anyone will go wrong attributing the worst intent possible to his words.

Surem it's an automatic presumption on my part to do that, but I figure in his case, it's also a rational, learned behaviour.

[Silent Type]

4. There are plenty of reasons to bash trump legitimately that we don't have to make crud up or

express fake outrage.

I don’t think it really helps Biden or other Democratic candidates at this point.

[58Sunliner]

12. Did you see the video? Are we expressing fake outrage?

[dchill]

53. You can't know that. It's just your opinion.

[JohnSJ]

15. I personally don't think it is a question of helping Democrats, it is pointing out the reckless behavior of trump. His

comment about undocumented people as less than human, is pure racism.

The fact is trump has never tried to hide his racist, sexist bigotry. He did it in 2016, and he is doing the same thing now. That is his brand. He has been doing that for years. In 1989 he called for the execution of black and Latinos wrongfully convicted of raping a woman jogger in New York, and he is still doing that today. He learned well from his racist father.

[TheKentuckian]

16. Why make up crud to defend him?

He said what he said and no one is required to Chump whisper some kinder and gentler interpretation and in fact at this point the onus is on not granting the piece of shit some benefit of the doubt or one is aiding and abetting him.

Why the fuck is there always some Chump wagon circling?

[senseandsensibility]

34. this

[niyad]

29. Tell that to the Biden-Harris team, who are taking it very seriously

indeed. Several threads here in DU about it today.

[Silent Type]

36. Personally, think we'd be better off sticking to bashing him for racism, poor performance as

Prez, insurrection, grift, ties to Russia, sexual assault, etc., rather than “bloodbath.”

[niyad]

41. We are actually capable of doing all of the above. But you are, of course,

welcome to express your views to the Biden-Harris team.

[Silent Type]

49. Thanks for allowing me to express my views.

[uponit7771]

62. I have good reasons to assume the worst from Benedict Donald

[Jim__]

6. Trump knew exactly how that remark would be taken. It's exactly how he wanted it to be taken.

[58Sunliner]

8. It's plain as day when you see the video. He was not taken out of context.

He meant the election. He was quite clear. He pivoted from talking about the auto industry to the election. The lying republicans think they can spin his ugly bullshit and gaslight people.

[MOMFUDSKI]

9. Horse

Hockey.

[A HERETIC I AM]

10. ...

[FHRRK]

20. you need to edit this

Same giphy posted multiple times, ruins the thread.

[A HERETIC I AM]

22. LOL

Completely deliberate, so ummmm...no.








Oh look! The owner of the site posted a similar sentiment to mine! What do you know?!?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18785462

[FHRRK]

25. Good to know

Couple things
1. What Earl posted is much different - his opinion with multiple different links. May not agree with it but valid.
2. Your post adds nothing except to trash a thread - WHY?

[FailureToCommunicate]

27. You were being nice. This needs many more facepalms!

[betsuni]

28. Not. That OP was different.

[Wednesdays]

69. I agree with FHRRK. That was annoying. nt

[Cha]

43. Thank You.. not to be taken seriously.

[niyad]

32. Perhaps you should talk to the Biden-Harris team, who ARE taking it

seriously.

[A HERETIC I AM]

37. Come on, niyad...gimmee a fucking break, willya?

Do you actually think I'm too fucking stupid to understand what is and has been happening around this issue? Really?


Jesus Hyperbole Christ.

[niyad]

47. If I misunderstood you, I do apologize. I always aporeciate your posts,

so I was a bit surprised today. It has been a very trying weekend for all of us.

[A HERETIC I AM]

54. Indeed.

I listened to what he said numerous times, on TikTok, YouTube and MSNBC. I listened to the entirety of what Jen Psaki said about it, and while the points she was making about the history of his rhetoric is well taken, and again, I'm not defending that human scum, but I think what he said in that moment has been blown out of proportion.

I have always appreciated your posts and perspective as well, hence the appeal to give me a break!

Thanks for your patience and understanding.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

68. One GIF makes your point. 20 times ruins it because YOU hijack the thread.

Do you really want to hijack the thread?

If a member respects the OP they would not want to hijack the OP's thread.

You can do better.

[BeyondGeography]

11. Our understanding of his behavior should start with the realization that he is not campaigning to be President

He is staging a mass recruitment drive for haters and active foot soldiers of hate.

Winning the presidency will mean nothing to him if he can’t act out his revenge fantasies, enrich himself without limit and either kill or intimidate into submission all who would stand in his way.

He is neither interested in nor capable of being a mere democratically-elected President. Been there done that and look how that ended last time.

That was just a prelude. His rallies now start with a solemn tribute to the “hostages” and patriots of J6. He’s telling the faithful they can be heroes too. And if they don’t want to or can’t man the barricades they need to stay strong in support come the storm.

So with that, parsing his use of “bloodbath” yesterday is delusional at best if not willfully blind. Especially since, as you note, he wasn’t just talking about cars.

[liberal N proud]

14. But of course

[FHRRK]

18. I respond to every post where the poster is defending tRump and repubs with the basic question - WHY?

Never get an aswwer back, but I believe we should all do something similar.

Why would anyone here defend tRump and the Repubs?

Dropping down to thier level and looking silly is not a valid response.

People need to explain why they think posts on DU ripping on tRump need to be called out.

[A HERETIC I AM]

26. Because some of them are absolute bullshit and deserve calling out?

Trumpy can not die soon enough as far as I am concerned and if he happens to find himself in the Oval Office again, it could well doom this Republic, but sometimes what he says has to be listened to and understood to be the bullshit is actually is.

He's full of shit, he always has been and everything he says needs to be heard with that understanding.

[FHRRK]

31. Only when people can't just sit back, comes down to an ego thing, or insecurity, this clip says it best

[JohnSJ]

35. No one here at DU is defending trump.

[ShazzieB]

56. I don't think interpreting one of his remarks differently necessarily constitutes "defending" him.

I've read several different threads here about the "bloodbath" comment, and I haven't seen anyone defending TSF. What I've seen is a difference of opinion about exactly what he meant. And that's OKAY, or it damned well should be!

Saying, "I don't think he meant A, I think he meant B" is not a defense. It just means some people heard it one way, and some heard it another way. Is that not allowed, for some reason?

Personally, I lean towards the "he really wants/intends a bloodbath for this country if he loses the election" side of this dispute, but I can understand why some people see it differently. I believe we should all be able to form our own opinions without accusing those with a different opinion of "defending" the Orange psychopath.

I see this kind of thing at DU way too much. Having strong opinions is fine, but we are all adults (I think?), and that means we should be able to disagree about something without villifying those whose opinions don't match our own.

The "bloodbath" comment is just the latest example. I've seen the same kind of thing going on here in regard to other matters that people have strong opinions about, and it gets exhausting sometimes!

No matter how right any of us think we are about a particular issue, others have the right to disagree without being attacked for it. DU is not a playground; it's a forum for adults who should be able to grasp the concept of agreeing to disagree. Anyone who can't grasp that concept has some growing up to do, imnsho.

[orthoclad]

61. It's a defense of Trump.

Whether intended that way or not.

The bloodbath will not be a playground.

The US has already lost THREE TIMES as many people as in all of WWII since Trump promised covid would just go away.

We're talking megadeath. Already. There WILL be a bloodbath, whether he wins or loses, because he has raised the blood thirst that high.

[ShazzieB]

71. I believe he does want a bloodbath.

I think that comment slipped out when he was talking about something else (the auto industry), because he wants it so badly.

However, I don't think interpreting a comment differently automatically constitutes a "defense" of TSF. I also think expecting "megadeath" whether he wins or not is a recipe for unnecessary panic.

When he loses, the country will be ready for the MAGA backlash. It'll be TSF's idiot followers against the US military, which won't be much of a contest.

I don't mind if you disagree with me. I'm an
adult, and I respect your right to hold a different opinion.

[betsuni]

19. Biden and Democrats are NEVER given the benefit of the doubt by certain types.

[uponit7771]

63. THIS👆🏿👆🏿👆🏿!!!

[IbogaProject]

21. They are Animals

The GOP are a filthy vermin feeding on trash and infesting whole swaths of red and purple states.

[Turbineguy]

30. Trump wants us to believe that he is the only one who can provide salvation and

that we shall all perish in a maelstrom of truth and decency without him.

It is of course a fantasy.

He will only get worse. That's what happens with narcissists.

[betsuni]

39. Populist Saviors are always like that.

[Goodheart]

33. I'll parse it, as he meant it

"If I get elected I will put a 100% tariff on imported autos; if I don't get elected that will be the least of your problems because there's going to be a bloodbath."

The "least of your problems" was having an American auto industry decimated by foreign imports. The "bloodbath" is something far more serious than that: VIOLENCE.

He CLEARLY meant violence.

[JohnSJ]

40. That was excellent parsing. Also, if there was a 100% tariff it would most likely drive us into a deep depression, and

definitely no soft-landing

[betsuni]

42. Exactly.

[viva la]

38. Trump never sticks to a topic long enough to create a cogent argument.

Just because "bloodbath" came after he talked about the auto industry, doesn't mean it had anything to do with cars. Instead, he'd reverted to his favorite by far topic, his own grievances, hatreds, and violent fantasies.

[Walleye]

44. He has been encouraging his followers to be violent ever since he started in politics.

And violence actually does happen in his name. And he does nothing to discourage it. He uses violent rhetoric for a reason

[StarryNite]

45. We know a dog whistle when

we hear one. We have keen ears, minds, and memories.

[Aristus]

46. Once again, the guy who "tells it like it is" needs people to come up behind him and explain to everyone

"What he actually meant was..."

[betsuni]

51. A populist thing, I've noticed. They say things clearly and then their fans rush out to explain

what they really meant.

[Ohioboy]

48. Trump caught himself saying "if" and had to quickly pivot

It was his ego talking. He had just heard himself utter the word "if" in reference to him being elected. The idea that he pivoted instantly to "bloodbath" if he doesn't get elected is very un American. A candidate losing should never result in a "bloodbath". But, since he's basically a cult leader his followers will make excuses for him.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

55. TFG wants violence and these comments were not taken out of context

Looking at the context of TFG's comments does not help. TFG is advocating for violence 

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[OhioTim]

57. He Said Someting About A bloodbath

a few weeks ago, but I can't track it down.

[BumRushDaShow]

58. Agree and he was *supposed to be there* to boost a (R) Senate candidate

but that fell by the wayside too, so keep that in mind.

[dchill]

59. The term "bloodbath" should only be applicable...

...when describing armed conflict that's out of proportion.

[orthoclad]

60. Yes. We're "High Road" stupid.

We'll have our snooty noses in the air all the way to hell.
But our hands are SO clean! Like all the good German citizens.

[dalton99a]

65. When wrestling with a pig, it's important to wear clean pure certified organic

and don't ever get it dirty

[SunSeeker]

64. He explicitly said "it would be a bloodbath for the whole country," not just the auto industry.

He explicitly said the auto industry issues "would be the least of it." So he is definitely talking about much more than the auto industry.

Video clip of the relevant portion of Trump's speech here:

Link to tweet

?s=20

[John Shaft]

67. Giving Trump the benefit of the doubt

or charitably trying to parse and rationalize his nonsense only legitimizes this beastly shitbag even further.

[Ping Tung]

70. As always, he's playing to his dwindling audience of frightened rubes.

His whole shtick is to convince the gullible suckers that he is the only one who can save them from the endless legions of imaginary bogeymen.