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Sibelius Fan

(24,832 posts)
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 11:06 PM Mar 2024

tRump properties sold off at fire sale prices?

When NY starts to seize tRump properties in order to enforce that $464-million judgement, they will need to sell those assets to realize the judgement. It occurs to me that any prospective buyer will be in a position to offer below-market for these properties. And if NY accepts low offers, it will need to continue to seize more assets to sell to fully realize the judgement.

tRump could be in a position to lose pretty much everything. Am I wrong?

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tRump properties sold off at fire sale prices? (Original Post) Sibelius Fan Mar 2024 OP
Wouldn't the tower cover the half-billion? RandySF Mar 2024 #1
Trump doesn't own it. WarGamer Mar 2024 #2
And if the asset seized has mortgages/debts/etc, do those get paid RockRaven Mar 2024 #3
Yes, plus taxes on any gains. Nt spooky3 Mar 2024 #5
Yes of course, lenders, state, local, federal taxes on the sale Irish_Dem Mar 2024 #6
Is the state allowed to take assets which "whoops" are so heavily encumbered RockRaven Mar 2024 #10
These are the questions everyone is asking. Irish_Dem Mar 2024 #11
They need to develop a list of all Trump Co. assets. Then figure out the encumbrances, than figure out the current OAITW r.2.0 Mar 2024 #4
That is the major question. Irish_Dem Mar 2024 #8
I think that's what the monitor is supposed to do NanaCat Mar 2024 #18
And, now is a pretty bad time to sell commercial property generally. spooky3 Mar 2024 #7
No doubt...and the big properties are in this class of RE problems. OAITW r.2.0 Mar 2024 #14
Even if there is a building that he owns and isn't leveraged to the hilt, rsdsharp Mar 2024 #9
A Question DET Mar 2024 #12
She can seize his assets outside of New York. dalton99a Mar 2024 #16
Couldn't putin pay someone to buy it at a totally inflated amount so that putin could own trump? mucifer Mar 2024 #13
In theory, but how does that work in reality? OAITW r.2.0 Mar 2024 #15
Isn't every tRump financial transaction being monitored right now? Sibelius Fan Mar 2024 #17
I believe I heard they would take the most liquid assets first. Like GoodRaisin Mar 2024 #19

WarGamer

(18,708 posts)
2. Trump doesn't own it.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 11:10 PM
Mar 2024

The penthouse and the commercial areas plus parking...

Maybe $2-300M assuming no liabilities on them

RockRaven

(19,525 posts)
3. And if the asset seized has mortgages/debts/etc, do those get paid
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 11:11 PM
Mar 2024

in full before the state, or what?

Irish_Dem

(81,769 posts)
6. Yes of course, lenders, state, local, federal taxes on the sale
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 11:14 PM
Mar 2024

all have to be paid first.

RockRaven

(19,525 posts)
10. Is the state allowed to take assets which "whoops" are so heavily encumbered
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 11:20 PM
Mar 2024

that the net payment to the state ends up being zero or very small?

i.e. could the state, if it had perfect knowledge of his debts/asset valuations/etc, purposely strip assets (and their associated liabilities, naturally) away even if it doesn't get them closer to getting fully paid?

Irish_Dem

(81,769 posts)
11. These are the questions everyone is asking.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 11:27 PM
Mar 2024

The experts are saying that Ms. James can put padlocks on Trump's properties.
What she does with them then is up to her.

The state also has the option of keeping the building and making it state property.

I like to think she knows exactly the value of each property and how much she
can get for each one after debts and taxes are paid. Or if it will become state property.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,331 posts)
4. They need to develop a list of all Trump Co. assets. Then figure out the encumbrances, than figure out the current
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 11:12 PM
Mar 2024

market value to sell expeditiously. Will that cover the $565MM boggie?

Irish_Dem

(81,769 posts)
8. That is the major question.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 11:17 PM
Mar 2024

The properties are said to be heavily mortgaged (according to Michael Cohen), those lenders have to be paid.
Then significant state, local, federal sales taxes.

I would hope Ms. James has figured out all of this beforehand.
And knows how many properties she needs to seize.

 

NanaCat

(2,332 posts)
18. I think that's what the monitor is supposed to do
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 03:37 AM
Mar 2024

She couldn't monitor the assets without knowing about the existence of all of them, and their value.

spooky3

(38,714 posts)
7. And, now is a pretty bad time to sell commercial property generally.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 11:16 PM
Mar 2024

After the pandemic, lots of office buildings are vacant, due to remote work policies. Former city dwellers moved to suburbs or less expensive communities.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,331 posts)
14. No doubt...and the big properties are in this class of RE problems.
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 11:54 PM
Mar 2024

So, as they understand the real property values, after costs/taxes, what's left? Every single piece of real estate Don or Trump Co has, will be part of the settlement. Including MAL....LOL Maybe his SIL can get him a deal in West Palm Beach.

rsdsharp

(12,055 posts)
9. Even if there is a building that he owns and isn't leveraged to the hilt,
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 11:19 PM
Mar 2024

who would buy it? If he owns it, you know it’s decorated in Early Brothel. It would cost a mint to renovate to something approaching good taste.

DET

(2,525 posts)
12. A Question
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 11:29 PM
Mar 2024

Is the AG limited to seizing Trump’s New York properties, or can she seize property outside of New York as well? How about internationally (e.g., his golf courses - not that they’re profitable)?

mucifer

(25,694 posts)
13. Couldn't putin pay someone to buy it at a totally inflated amount so that putin could own trump?
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 11:30 PM
Mar 2024

OAITW r.2.0

(32,331 posts)
15. In theory, but how does that work in reality?
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 11:57 PM
Mar 2024

How does Don explain a sudden $600MM addition to the profit side of the balance sheet?

Sibelius Fan

(24,832 posts)
17. Isn't every tRump financial transaction being monitored right now?
Tue Mar 19, 2024, 02:56 AM
Mar 2024

Any influx of cash would be subject to oversight by the government.

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