How many people here believe Eileen Cannon is getting her marching orders outside of her

[Baitball Blogger]

chambers? I know I don't believe that this judge is acting on her own. This latest stunt of trying to get the lawyers to make an argument based on the Records Acts sounds like a prequel to a Supreme Court submission. Frankly, it sounds like a legal strategy hatched out of a Federalist Society Deep undercover operation.

If we're going to investigate Cannon, the way they did Willis, what we should be looking for is proof that she's communicating with political bad actors.

[unblock]

1. Well it certainly doesn't seem like she's getting good advice on the law from any source...

[Bernardo de La Paz]

3. Yes. She is clever enough to come up with her scheme, but not smart enough to make it work

She may find herself removed by the Circuit Appeals court, which would earn her a third reprimand and that might lead to heavier three-strikes action against her.

[Hotler]

2. Me. nt

[Raven]

4. I agree with you. Here's why: I read her instructions to the lawyers and found them so nonsensical that

I checked her resume. She is not a stupid woman. The only explanation for her actions is that she is being coached.

[azureblue]

25. she is being told an objective

and it's up to her to make it into a legally sound ruling. Which, she isn't doing - her ruling are really half baked. . Which says she is not getting coached by people with solid legal experience.. Which says that she is being left alone out on a limb.
This ruling is the final straw that will get the case taken away from her. It proves she is not competent to handle the case- it is above her head..

[dem4decades]

5. I keep hearing that she's gone to far but see nothing to indicate she'll face any punishment.

Is this just more wishful thinking, like the Mueller Report, and all the other things that were going to get Trump, but melted away like ice in the hot sun?

[Scrivener7]

6. Of course she is.

[Kingofalldems]

7. Would not be surprised if she has regular....

phone discussions with Trump himself.

[2naSalit]

8. She's...

Totally being coached since her nomination to her appointment. She was literally placed in her seat for the purpose of bastardizing and weaponizing the judicial system. Her earlier jobs were working with Rubio and Scott.

She's being coached but I think there's a possible rebellion afloat among judges who have had enough of the magats and could, possibly, help in cleaning up the judiciary. I sure hope so.




https://thehill.com/regulation/3631564-five-things-to-know-about-aileen-m-cannon-the-judge-who-granted-trump-a-special-master/


https://archive.ph/20220907213453/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/07/us/politics/aileen-cannon-judge-trump.html

[machoneman]

15. Coached, yes. But by whom? Federalist Society lawyers, RNC lawyers, TFG's own lawyers, some RW organization?

Maybe collusion among all these players to feed her ways to kill the indictment. I've said before, I do hope Smith or the DOJ is tapping her phone/emails after convincing the Appeals Court of her duplicity in constantly gifting motions in TFG's way.

[SergeStorms]

53. I used to think....

she was being told what to do by the Federalist Society. However, they're not that freaking careless and ignorant.

Are they?

[haele]

9. Raising my hand...

Her rulings and instructions are very inconsistent for someone who supposedly is taking the time to research and think about what is being laid out in front of them.
She doesn't seem like she either understands the mechanics of her job or cares about doing her job in a fair, impartial manner.
She seems to be there to play "judge" and read from a judge script written up from a legal AI companion program.
I may be wrong. But she doesn't seem to take her job seriously.

Haele

[Emile]

10. She answers to Trump. Showing her stupidity.

[Septua]

11. I think she's rapidly approaching the point of Smith asking...

..that she be removed. Her latest ruling indicates she doesn't understand the law relative to the charges against Trump nor how the Presidential Records Act relates to the charges.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/03/18/trump-judge-cannon-jury-instructions-pra/

Her two-page order, however, also suggests an openness to some of the defense’s claims that the Presidential Records Act allows Trump or other presidents to declare highly classified documents to be their own personal property. National security law experts say that is not what the law says, or how it has been interpreted over decades by the courts, particularly given the other laws that govern national security secrets.

Cannon asked the prosecutors and defense attorneys to consider two different hypothetical situations, writing: “the parties must engage with the following competing scenarios and offer alternative draft text that assumes each scenario to be a correct formulation of the law.”

In the first scenario, Cannon said, the jury would be allowed to review a former president’s possession of a record and make a factual finding whether “it is personal or presidential using the definitions set forth in the Presidential Records Act,” also known as the PRA.

Confusingly, she added in a footnote that any “separation of powers or immunity concerns shall be included in this discussion if relevant.” Immunity is a topic for judges to decide, not juries, so it was not immediately clear what that language in Cannon’s order meant.

I heard a theory a while back that she's behaving in a manner that will lead to being removed from the case which would get her off hot seat and at the same time, preserve her image with Trump.

[johnnyfins]

18. this

[Iwasthere]

58. Rapiter please

[Happy Hoosier]

12. It's eyewatering that...

... she is considering an order that allows the jury to act as a judge to determine if the law applies. That's HER job.

[cloudbase]

13. I don't.

I do, however, believe that she's very grateful for a position granting lifetime tenure and is sufficiently self-aware that she's not really ready for the big leagues. She still believes that she has to dance with the one that brung ya.

[Diraven]

54. Maybe, but

If she helps Trump enough she's a shoo-in for a Trump Supreme Court nomination, should that come up.

[Zilli]

14. In my family we call her Judge Collusion

and it seems as if she verifies our suspicions with every minute order and ruling.

[Mister Ed]

16. I strongly suspect that she is. n/t

[Mr.WeRP]

17. Clarence Thomas is my bet.

Her actions over the last year have his (and Ginny’s) fingerprints all over it.

[ashredux]

19. For a "rookie", she's making some interesting calls, so to speak. She's definitely getting some outside "help".

[onecaliberal]

20. Count me in.

[ancianita]

21. I do. But she can't be investigated, only reprimanded & removed by the 11th District in response to Jack Smith's appeal

She'd could only be investigated by the Republican House as part of an impeachment proceeding.

The current House won't ever do that with a Trump appointee. Perhaps if we gain a majority in 2025, but not before.

As of September 2017, only 15 federal judges have been impeached, and only eight have been convicted. Three others resigned before the completion of impeachment proceedings.

[MayReasonRule]

43. Only Six Federal Judges Have Been Assassinated

Odds are she lives a long and prosperous lives on the backs of the rest of humanity.

I would prefer that to not be the case.

Here's to reason's rule in delusions stead.

[ancianita]

47. Assassinated?? Wow. That's deep. I'm only talking about removed.

You're right, she likely won't be impeached and removed, but she's got a heckuva long learning curve ahead. I wouldn't trust her with any criminal cases in trumpworld.

[MayReasonRule]

49. Lol, When I Consider Odds, I Consider All Of The Possible Knowns...

It's minor historically...

Although I've gotta' say that our current time line has been quite surprising in many regards that historically were never the case.

No one ever expects the Spanish Inquisition, which is part of the root our problem.

We're in the midst of an Americanized Spanish Inquisition Y'all Qaeda Nat-C style.

Aileen is a part and parcel of that very thing.

I've been astonished as women have been forced to gestate and give birth to the children of rapists that we've not seen members of the judiciary widely slaughtered.

The states within which those laws have been enacted have more guns per capita than your average state.

Americans have shown a surprising degree of decency and decorum to their fascist overlords.

I'm genuinely surprised by that.

[ancianita]

50. Appreciate your thoughts.

It's a major weakness of American freedoms to allow all the anti-democratic activity that extends from streets to courts. Which is why public awareness has to be better informed by any means necessary, from independent journalists, and in spite of corporate media.

[MayReasonRule]

52. Thank You !

Which is why public awareness has to be better informed by any means necessary, from independent journalists, and in spite of corporate media.

Hear, hear!!!

[Aviation Pro]

22. I have had no doubt since Loose Banana Cannon is being coached

And the FBI has the tapes and is ready to spring.

Welcome to the other side of the law, you worthless oxygen thief.

[liberalla]

24. I hope you're right! Please spring away FBI!

She so richly deserves it! It would restore some of my confidence in the FBI. Also would send a signal and a warning to other players out there.

[Fla Dem]

23. It blows my mind to think someone as accomplished as Judge Cannon

would risk her reputation and future to be a Trump Puppet.

Whether he offered her a position in his government if he gets elected, offered a payout( although he currently has no money) or has threatened her or her family, I don't know. My only other thought is she is positioning herself to run in the future for Fla Senator and this way she earns the support of all the Florida Republican creeps.

It just seems to me so absurd that she would play this obvious trial delay game when the reality is Trump is a crook and his case should be a walk in the park.

[Baitball Blogger]

31. Nothing should surprise you in Florida.

I noticed it a long time ago. Local lawyers, especially the local public lawyers, will go over the line with their legal advice because they know that most people do not have the money or time to challenge their decisions in court. And if someone does make it into court, they will figure out quickly that they need to make it at least to the appeal level.

If this can go on at the lower levels, you can bet that the same thing is happening higher up.

[ScratchCat]

32. Yep

But you can draw up a list a mile long of formerly-respected people who have seemingly thrown away their careers, reputations and lives for Donald Trump over the past six years.

I agree; it makes no sense. Think of all the people who would never have gone to jail had he never came along!?

[MayReasonRule]

40. Delusion multiplied by Malevolence equals Delusional Malevolence

Delusional Malevolence is literally ruling the day.

This is that.

[kentuck]

26. She's getting outside advice.

There is an urgency in her decisions.

[Botany]

27. She is a product of the Judicial Crisis Network .... as is Roberts, Goursch, Alito, Kavanaugh, and Coney Island

The J.C.N. gets Major League Right Wing Money from the likes of the Heritage Foundation, Koch Brothers,
Harlan Crow, friends of Jenni Thomas and others. They stopped President Obama from getting his last pick for the SCOTUS, selected the last 5 Justices picked by w Bush and Trump, and have been packing other Federal Bench seats too.

[dobleremolque]

28. Cannon can be impeached. This whole sordid affair should be investigated once

Democrats are in sufficient control of the House and Senate. Hasten the day!

In our history, 15 federal judges have been impeached; 8 have been convicted and removed from the bench. The most recent was in 2010 ... a Clinton appointee, G. Thomas Porteous in Louisiana.

Cannon isn't utterly invulnerable as a federal judge. Sure, the 11th Circuit can slap her hand for bonehead decisions, but impeachment .... provided it can be proven that she IS being guided or coached by outside sources ... is the ultimate solution.

And any investigation should go so deep as to check for Federalist Society fingerprints on the coins in her change purse.

[The Wizard]

30. Working for

Putin's underboss, The Siberian Candidate, Trump.

[lees1975]

33. Yes, she is.

corrupt

[AllaN01Bear]

34. other than mr smith and she being a t,,, apointee, si. wonder what t,,, threatened her with and what dirt.?

[ancianita]

48. One needn't be threatened to be corrupt. Loyalty and the promise of advancement also corrupt.

[Mr.Bee]

35. Amazing

to me is that she is still on the case! Should've been removed months ago. How is this justice?

[Tree Lady]

36. I think she has slowed the process down

enough that her goal of it not going to trial before election will happen. If they get another judge that will delay again.

[NanaCat]

37. She's entirely capable of acting on her own

Her jurisprudence is sometimes stupid enough to be all hers.

[MayReasonRule]

42. The Jury Instructions Are A Sad Chortle

(a.) Please draft a jury instruction assuming the earth is flat while reserving counterarguments.

(b) Please draft a jury instruction assuming the earth is square while reserving counterarguments.

[kimbutgar]

38. She is probably talking with the orange menace daily

Too bad some federal agency can’t trace her calls.

Judge Cannon: “yes sir, yes sir , you are the greatest president ever and I will keep delaying your case until you’re back in office” !

[MayReasonRule]

39. I Like Andrew Weissman's Take...

I appreciated Andrew Weissman's assessment of the order

(a.) Please draft a jury instruction assuming the earth is flat while reserving counterarguments.

(b) Please draft a jury instruction assuming the earth is square while reserving counterarguments.

The U.S. Department of Justice considers a writ of mandamus to be an extraordinary remedy that should only be used in exceptional circumstances.

Will the DOJ consider this to be such a circumstance?

Will the DOJ immediately seek a writ of mandamus?

Might they respond by basically saying go ahead and rule in favor of Trump and we'll just immediately appeal it?

[malaise]

41. Add me to thte list

Rec

[bluestarone]

44. I go into the YES column. IF somehow it's provable

She's toast! (I wish)

[Initech]

45. No doubt Fox News is meddling in this trial.

[PufPuf23]

46. Yep. Obvious.

Don't understand the lawyer types at DU and what they defend.

The process is not working, the will is lacking and "justice" is for sale to highest bidder.

Fear we ultimately will be disappointed in Jack Smith or that he well be neutralized.

The courts and legal system are rotten down to the community level, Trump or no Trump.

[Aviation Pro]

51. Me

She’s clearly not bright enough to come up with this shit on her own.

[Think. Again.]

55. There's no doubt in my mind.

[Mike Niendorff]

56. Obstruction of Justice

She tried to illegally shut down the investigation, and now she's trying to illegally monkeywrench the prosecution.

Judges can't commit crimes any more than ex-presidents can, and obstruction of justice is absolutely a crime.

It's high time for the discussion to go there.


MDN

[Kid Berwyn]

57. She must be Alberto VO-5 level clairvoyant.

She sees all. She hears all. And she knows all she wants to know.

[republianmushroom]

59. The puppet masters strings are long.