Democrats are losing the youth with the Tik Tok vote. It sounds crazy but this generation is addicted

[Pisces]

To Tik Tok and they don’t understand why we would ban it instead of focusing on other matters that seem more important . Why are we allowing Republicans to lock us into a losing situation right before the election. I know it’s anecdotal but I have heard several young voters express their anger and disgust on the ban vs working on other things. This seems like we are shooting ourselves in the foot.

[MOMFUDSKI]

1. It is a loser for sure.

Wanna win or not?

[LuvLoogie]

2. It's not just young people.

It's pretty much every Democratic user who isn't a politician. Pretty much every progressive creator. Yeah it's a stupid move by Democrats in congress. I'd call it clueless.

[limbicnuminousity]

38. And yet

the Nazi twitter platform is a-ok. If they really want to insure privacy is protected and anti-democracy campaigns are prohibited then perhaps the same regulations applied in the EU should be applied to Tik Tok, Twitter, Google, Apple, Meta, Instagram, etc. But for some reason that would be going overboard.

Idiots.

[Lovie777]

3. Democrats are not............................

[Elessar Zappa]

4. I go back and forth on this issue.

In some ways, I agree with the proposed ban because because of China’s spying. On the other hand, we can’t afford to lose even a small number of the youth vote. I think my final opinion is don’t ban it.

[TheRealNorth]

16. Instead of China....

Steve Mnuechen and the Republicans will own our data and be able to play with the logarithms to funnel anto-Democratic disinformation to young people.

Yeah, let's turn Tik Tok into Twitter.

[Takket]

93. yeah this is my concern........

I absolutely agree that TikTok needs to be out of the hands of China to prevent it's data from being against our population.

But just putting up for auction to be bought by another right wing oligarch to turn it into a platform to disseminate hate is out of the frying pan and into the fire................

we should have learned our lesson from Musk destroying twitter

[Voltaire2]

58. China doesn't control Tik Tok or it's data

or it’s algorithms.

However, like any other organization China can pay tik tok for data access. The problems with tik tok are generic: data privacy and dubious algorithms.

[TheProle]

78. Nah

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/18/tech/tiktok-bytedance-china-ownership-intl-hnk/index.html

Chew has emphatically told Congress that ByteDance is not owned or controlled by the Chinese government.

However, like most other Chinese companies, ByteDance is legally compelled to establish an in-house Communist Party committee composed of employees who are party members.

Zhang Fuping, the company’s vice president and editor-in-chief, serves as the secretary of the party committee. The committee often holds sessions to study the party and Chinese leader Xi Jinping. One session in 2018 was joined by Zhang Yiming and his management team, according to the Beijing government.

Also, like its competitors, ByteDance has had to allow the Chinese government to take a so-called “golden share” in one of its key subsidiaries.

[PufPuf23]

125. China will be spying anyway. Ham-handed move.

Why not ban X then?

[LuvLoogie]

5. My second post to add

It's as bad as "Defund the Police," if not worse.

[TexasDem69]

113. Defund the police was a disaster

Hope this doesn’t rise to that level

[flying_wahini]

6. I love TikTok. I admit it. I'm 69 years old.

Facebook and Instagram both owned by Zuckerberg are MUCH more dangerous to Us.
I think somebody took the wrong advice on this one.

TikTok is pretty tame compared to X too. Musk is crazy.

It was about Money and Market share and little else.

[Ptah]

7. Why won't it hurt the Republicans?

[Bettie]

15. Because the majority of younger voters

tend to lean toward Democrats.

This will push them toward not voting or voting for third parties.

[Ptah]

19. That might be true. I'm hoping it dies in the senate.

[Bettie]

112. Me too

because it is foolish to do this now...or ever.

I'm on Tik Tok and other social media. Facebook feeds me far more stuff I never asked for than Tik Tok. So does Instagram/Threads.

[Pisces]

62. Biden would be signing it therefore he will get the blame as will all Democrats. This is very basic

[Ptah]

64. I'm hoping the Senate kills the bill.

[All Mixed Up]

103. 1. The Republican presidential nominee is now against the ban. 2. The Democratic nominee will sign it into law.

[Cosmocat]

140. Because they are so horrible

being horrible is the expectation for them, so they don't get held accountable for being horrible.

America 2024.

[Sugarcoated]

13. Maga terrorist says what?

[blm]

9. Stupid to do it in an election year. STUPID.

It will hurt more than help.

[Pisces]

10. I really don't understand the timing

[blm]

12. My guess is they were baited into it. You'd think they'd know by now.

[jimfields33]

29. That's a lot of baiting in the house! It almost was a unanimous vote.

I couldn’t believe the numbers who voted to ban it.

[Voltaire2]

59. Our party is not good at thinking through these

performative acts.

[spanone]

35. Republicans run the house, that's why they're doing it in an election year...

they know this will hurt Joe Biden who said he will sign the bill.

[blm]

37. Baited into it. 😕

[SouthBayDem]

54. but young voters aren't as reliable as older voters

Otherwise, Bernie Sanders would have been the nominee.

For every terminally online 20 year old lost there are many more 40 year old reliable voters more in tune with issues affecting their congressional district.

[Pisces]

63. We can't afford to lose the ones that do vote!!!!

[LuvLoogie]

79. It's pretty obvious to tell when a person who actually uses TikTok comments

versus those that don't use TikTok and have no clue as to what the platform has become.

[SouthBayDem]

89. Then it says more about the TikTok user than Congress.

Do we really want voters who value a silly video app over the real issues facing the country?

[womanofthehills]

104. 55% of Americans use TicToc

Many make their living off TicToc and - big business is happening there.

[LeftInTX]

124. All I know is I had to create an account to even see a video. Once I did, it constantly sent me notifications....

All the time, I got notifications. I didn't follow anyone on Tik Tok, but constantly got notifications. I turned those off.
And the videos constantly posted on FB too. I also got a notification every time someone posted one on FB. I found it extremely annoying.
YouTube, Instagram, FB and SnapChat are more popular with young adults than Tik Tok

[Mariana]

91. Since the majority of older voters tend to vote for Republicans

Its important that Democrats work to keep young voters on their side.

[SouthBayDem]

96. I meant "older" as in more middle aged, think 35-50.

Personally I'd prefer a voting base of thoughtful people with life experience, not a bunch of 21 year olds who are obsessively online and lacking in impulse control.

[All Mixed Up]

105. Do you think banning it moves the needle with older voters?

In 2020, Biden won the under 30 vote 60-36. He lost the 65+ vote 52-47. What demographic do you think might be more important for Biden heading into November - the one he lost four years ago or the one he won handily?

In 2016, Hillary won the under 30 vote 55-36. That five-point difference does not seem significant but if Biden won that demographic similarly to Hillary's numbers, he would have lost.

[SouthBayDem]

108. There's the 30-65 age range you left out.

Who's more likely to vote in the real world - 18-30 year olds, or 30-65 year olds?

An answer from 2022: Exit polling showed that 30% of voters were aged 30-49 compared to 11% from 18-29.



So for every one TikTok obsessive there are two or three more reliable, mature, better informed voters.

[All Mixed Up]

110. Again, do you think banning Tiktok moves these voters?

I don't.

So, what are we gaining here?

Also, 56% of US TikTok users are 25 or older.

Your argument doesn't add up. Unless you think some voters will be more open to voting Biden for the ban (which I see no reason why they would), limiting the age range that you did the best in four years ago is just cutting your nose off to spite your face.

If everything remains the same with those other older voters, and Biden wins the under 30 vote by margins Hillary did in 2016, he will lose reelection. So, why risk it if you have nothing to gain politically from it?

[Voltaire2]

11. At the moment this is bipartisan idiocy.

But I agree that attacking Tik Tok is idiotic.

[Beausoleil]

14. It is not to ban Tik Tok

It's a bill to force Bytedance (controlled by the Chinese Communist Party) to divest (sell) the app. This the most likely outcome if the bill even passes which it may not.

The danger is the manipulation of users by the CCP, which is obviously happening indicated by Tok Tok telling users that it is a ban.

[emulatorloo]

18. Right, not a "ban". I posted the precedent for this the other day, China sold a dating app in 2020

under pressure from US.

TikTok is doing a big ole propaganda campaign by lying to the users about a “ban.”

Grindr has been sold by its Chinese owner after the US expressed security concerns
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218785746

[Lancero]

31. And didn't that have a hilarious ending - After claims that the evil Chinese owners were going to violate...

The privacy of US citizens, the new owners ended up selling off user data in mass to a Catholic aligned NGO.

https://gizmodo.com/grindr-data-track-gay-priests-catholic-laity-clergy-1850207618

And the government response, so such a blatant violation of our privacy? Crickets.

[emulatorloo]

32. Nonetheless highly unlikely Tik tok going to get "banned."

Which is the premise of this thread.

[Lancero]

33. No, it'll just get sold off to a company that will violate our privacy.

Which, hilariously, our government cites as the reason for forcing a sale with threats of a ban.

[emulatorloo]

36. Did Grindr get banned? No. The thread is about "bans". You're off topic.

Start your own thread I think it would be interesting.

[Lancero]

39. No, this topic is about TikTok. You brought up Grindr.

If you don't want people talking about that, maybe you should have stayed on topic.

Take your own advice though and spin up a Grindr topic since you were so eager to bring it up here.

[emulatorloo]

67. Already posted a Grindr divestiture topic the other day.

Still looking forward to your thread about how Tik Tok will “just get sold off to a company that will violate our privacy.”

[Cuthbert Allgood]

20. It is banned if they don't sell it.

And are we pretending that the optics of a bill aren't important?

And do you think the CCP is sending hidden messages in Tik Tok videos? Most of the people I see on Tik Tok talking about it are frustrated that 85% of the House can't agree on anything except this stupid fucking thing. And it is pissing people off that the claims of "we can't agree to solve a thing" are actually dumb given that they can agree on something.

[Beausoleil]

34. It's not hidden messages

Tik Tok used location tracking to engage minor users to flood Congress's switchboards with warnings about banning the app.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

41. So civic engagement?

And the youth that we constantly hear aren't engaged were actually engaged? Doesn't sound like a negative. OH NOES! THE SWITCHBOARD WAS FLOODED!

[Beausoleil]

43. Calls were based on

Propaganda.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

50. What propaganda?

That the House was voting on banning the app? They were. You can spin it all you want about it being about selling it, but if it isn't sold, it's banned.

[Beausoleil]

74. Look, I'm not for banning Tik Tok

That in itself is problematic. The bill may not even pass the Senate. There is no issue until the bill is signed.
In the meantime we have a panicked segment of the public based on lies that Tik Tok is telling its users.

I consider misinformation and disinformation coming from the CCP aimed at impressionable minors as propaganda.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

76. Sure. But I don't think you have shown:

1. That there was misinformation or disinformation, and, if there was,
2. That is it coming from the CCP, and
3. That it was aimed at minors, much less
4. That it was propaganda.

An American user on Tik Tok telling their followers to call their representative doesn't mean that the CCP was "spreading propaganda."

Facebook has done much worse and there have been no votes to make them sell.

[Beausoleil]

90. This is what I am referring to

When some American users opened TikTok on Thursday morning, they were met with a full-screen message encouraging them to call Congress and say no to a TikTok ban.

“Speak up now — before your government strips 170 million Americans of their Constitutional right to free expression,” the screen says. “Let Congress know what TikTok means to you and tell them to vote NO.”

https://techcrunch.com/2024/03/07/tiktok-ban-congress/

This was not an American user, this was Tik Tok.

There was no detail about the bill; implied an outright ban, which is false.

Rep. Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-Ill.), who backed the legislation, said Thursday in a post on X that the effort was a “massive propaganda campaign.”

Some congressional aides said the callers bombarding their offices skewed young, while others said they appeared to range in age from teens to senior citizens.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/03/07/tiktok-ban-congress-calls-us/

Obviously Tik Tok knows who their users are and I suspect that many minors use apps by misrepresenting themselves as adults.

I would not believe anything that Tik Tok says in their own defense; they are after all in business in the US and can lie as they wish.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

145. I still don't get the propaganda.

Yeah, I know, "iT'S nOT a BaN!"

Yeah, it is. The company is being forced to sell or it will be banned. Why would the company care after it is forced to sell?

And the end result of all of this is that those that skewed young were encouraged to be civically engaged. Oh the fucking horror.

[TheRealNorth]

23. Its a ban....

If Bytedance doesn't sell.

That's kinda of like threatening to burn your house down, but then saying it isn't arson if you sell me your house first.

This is the sort of shit right-wing oligarchs like Hungary do.

[emulatorloo]

25. Poor bytedance /s

[womanofthehills]

127. Not exactly

Bytedance is worth 300 billion dollars. Like Vanguard - they own lots of stuff - like China’s hospitals etc.

They own 40% of TicToc - internationals own the rest.

[The Grand Illuminist]

52. And the billionare right is chompin at the bit for a price.

Their new strategy "If you can't beat 'em, buy 'em!"

[Voltaire2]

60. ByteDance is controlled by its board of directors

the majority of whom are us citizens. China and the CCP do not control ByteDance or Tik Tok.

[Pisces]

65. The kids are hearing BAN!!!!! It's maddening

[muriel_volestrangler]

83. The owners have to decide if they get more by owning TikTok minus the USA, or a forced sale

for which bidders will presumably keep their bids low, knowing the current owners have to sell it below the worth owners without infrastructure in China could get.

It's quite possible they'd prefer to run it outside the USA for now, and then wait and see if the ban is reversed at some time. They'd still have the option of selling later, to someone who would then be allowed to add the USA back in (maybe add India back in too, where it's already banned).

[womanofthehills]

106. I doubt if they will sell to America

As America is one of 150 countries that TicToc is in. The company said they will store US data in US.

[Ponietz]

137. A litany of responses based on a false premise

That’s “social” media.

Like your reply, a kernel of truth can be found here and there in a web of inanity.
“Social” media annihilates nuance.

[edhopper]

17. It will be resolved with an American company control

by the election and be a nonissue.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

21. Do you think young voters are goldfish?

They'll remember. They'll remember that the government couldn't come together to agree on anything except this dumbass bill. And then they won't vote because their thoughts that the government is useless will be confirmed.

[edhopper]

24. Yes

I do think they are goldfish. If TikTok is still on their phones, they won't care about the geopolitical details.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

30. And then you'll be shocked when they don't vote like you want and you'll be the goldfish, I guess.

And plenty of liberals realize that China isn't controlling us with Tik Tok. This bill is ridiculously short sighted. Especially given that Facebook, Apple, and a lot of other tech companies sell the same information to whomever wishes to buy it, but they are not even included in this discussion.

[edhopper]

42. And I think

Tik Tok is a data mining ap that also has video, and the Chinese government gets the data.
I hold by my post and disagree with you.
I am awaiting to see if they vote at all. They usually don't show up.

[Mariana]

95. We better hope they show up, and do whatever we can to encourage them.

The majorty of old people vote Republican, so we need their votes.

[betsuni]

97. I thought it was the majority of old white people voting Republican?

[Mariana]

102. it's the majority of old people overall.

You can select out this or that subgroup of old people who support Democrats, but still, the majority of old people vote Republican.

[Silent3]

133. Not just on the specific Tiktok issue, apparently many voters of all ages are goldfish

Trump wouldn't be anywhere within 20 points of Biden if a lot of voters had keen recall, or even half a brain.

It's absolutely pathetic how little retention, not to mention awareness and common sense, many voters seem to have.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

146. You do know the young elected Biden and gave us the blue wave in the off election, right?

Odd that we are shitting on them now.

[Silent3]

148. I'm not shitting on young people

I’m shitting on a large portion of the entire American electorate. Young people, I would say, have been a bit less shitty than the whole, to their credit.

[womanofthehills]

128. Bytedance doesn't really have a reason to sell

As US is one of 150 counties TicToc is in. TicToc has lots of international investors (60% of TicToc is owned by international investors) plus American investors - said they will store us data in US.

[edhopper]

139. Thats the point

If they do that Tik Tok is okay. The company doesn’t have to sell itself, just the American division.

[Kaleva]

22. Do we want to associate with people who place keeping TiK Toc above other issues?

Like climate change, affordable health care, women's rights and so on .

[emulatorloo]

26. Another day, another DU Doomthread.

There’s 8 months until the election. It isn’t going to still be an issue; Most likely Bytedance will sell and the app won’t go away.

Just like this similar situation in 2020:

Grindr has been sold by its Chinese owner after the US expressed security concerns
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218785746

[Kaleva]

28. Agree

[LuvLoogie]

44. The cluelessness of this take is epic.

Congratulations.

[Pisces]

120. I guess you don't know any 18 to 22 yr old first time voters. I do. This is anecdotal but it matters to them

That Biden said he would sign the ban if it gets to him. They spend a lot of time on Tik Tok and wonder why Biden is focused on this and not bigger issues. Directly out of their mouths.

[Kaleva]

143. You can wipe their asses for them. I wont

They can go away but they won't leave because they want the handouts .

[betsuni]

46. Yes, I thought especially climate change was the most serious existential issue deciding the future

but now an app is more important. Okay then.

[Kaleva]

141. When Tic Toc is more important then climate change..

then all we can do is wish them well and point them to the door.

[Raine]

99. Totally agree. nt

[All Mixed Up]

107. I mean that's how elections are won lol

For some, their top issue is what they perceive censorship by the US government. This isn't just banning tiktok, many believe it's the US trying to shut it down because of how much pro-Palestine the messaging has been over the last few months. I don't agree with it but they certainly believe that's the driving force.

But your flippant understanding of 'important issues' misses the point.

There's a lot of people who prioritize those issues and fair or not, believe Biden has failed to deliver results.

So, tiktok just acts as the final straw for many.

After all, Biden and Democrats had the House and Senate when Roe was overturned and nothing happened - they didn't codify it nationally but now they're saying, "vote for us and we'll for sure do it!"

It's a tough message because nuance is not a virtue in politics. The reality is that the Democrats didn't have the votes.

But for many of these voters, they don't see any incentive to vote Biden. And now he's going to turn around and take away their favorite app. You can't see why that might impact their vote or whether they feel even inclined to vote in November?

[Kaleva]

142. Fuck them

I could care less if they have a hissy fit and stay home. If you want to baby them and wipe their asses, you are free to do so.

[sop]

27. Are they angrier with Democrats, or Republicans?

The bill passed in the House with a vote of 352-65; 197 Republicans voted for the bill and 15 against, while 155 Democrats voted for it and 50 against.

[ripcord]

40. The law in China is that a company has to turn over data it has gathered upon the request of the government

It is amazing that the same people who freaked out over the U S. gathering data are willing to hand it over to China.

[mike_c]

45. I've seen barely a handful of Tik Tock videos

It looks to me like Tik Tok is in the teenage-boys-launching-fireworks-from-their-butts stage of video platform development. Not very interesting.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

51. If that is what the algorithm is giving you, I have some shocking news for you.

That's because of what you look up on the internet. The algorithm has never sent me anything like that.

[mike_c]

88. no, lol-- those videos were on YouTube back in the day

As I said, I haven't seen many videos on Tik Tok yet.

[Docreed2003]

47. I said this from the beginning of this "ban" talk

You want to lose the youth vote, then ban TikTok. Why else would this be something the GOP would be willing to push if they didn't think they could hang it on the Democrats.

[Lancero]

48. But we wouldn't be banning them, we're be forcing them to sell or get banned.

It's not a case of "Look what we did!" it's a case of "Look at what you made us do!"

It's completely different.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

53. I'm going to punch you in the face.

You can give me $20 to not punch you in the face. I can't then turn around and say "I wasn't planning to punch you in the face. You had other options."

It's a ban. And the youth are smart enough to see through the bullshit of "it's completely different." Because they aren't morons.

And, FYI, look what you made me do is gross. It's abuser language. You might want a different take.

[Docreed2003]

55. I think everyone here understands that nuance

The average citizen does not. If you open the TikTok app right now, the banner says "The US House just voted to ban TikTok. Call your Senator and ask them to vote "No" on this ban". That's what the average person is seeing and that's what they'll believe, facts be damned. Good luck getting any of them to listen and accept nuance

[demmiblue]

61. +1

[Cuthbert Allgood]

66. That's not true.

I just opened Tik Tok and the first thing I saw was a video of Cashy snowboarding in some fresh powder (and just fucking slaying it).

[Docreed2003]

80. It was on mine

[TheKentuckian]

68. Which is the real problem with the app.

Faux: The Next Generation.

It is a propaganda fountain for limited attention spans.

[emulatorloo]

69. Yes. But In other words, tik tok is lying/spreading disinformation.

[MichMan]

85. Yet 150 Democrats voted with the Republicans in the House

Why would they do that? Did they not understand what they were voting for?

[Chakaconcarne]

49. They aren't losing anything... Tik Tok isn't banned yet and may never be.

Anyway, why would only Democrats lose the youth vote?

[betsuni]

73. Murc's law: only Democrats have agency and control in government. Republicans are innocent bystanders.

Everything's Democrats' fault no matter what. It's the law.

[Beachnutt]

56. Taylor should buy it

and promote the good things in life.

[JohnSJ]

57. If they are that stupid then they deserve trump, and If we lose because of crap like this, I am done.

My first election was for McGovern, and I lived through the civil right movement, voting rights act, Women's rights, Viet Nam, etc. etc. etc. and I am watching those hard fought rights slowly whittle away.

We lose this time, I don't give a rat's ass anymore.

[Mariana]

101. Any ideas how to get more older people to vote for Democrats?

The majorty of them voted for Trump twice, and will probably do it again ths year.

[JohnSJ]

130. Take away their Medicare and and Social Security, but that will be after the fact, and they are too stupid to realize it

that it will be trump and the rethugs who would do that if they are elected

[Prairie_Seagull]

70. It would be at least be smart if the Senate would,

being the 'most deliberative body in the world', kick the can until after the election.

[angrychair]

71. Golden Rule

If you are a Democrat voting on legislation and the majority of Republicans are voting like you on that legislation, you are making the wrong vote.

[SYFROYH]

72. Yep, a self-inflicted wound.

[Ping Tung]

75. People should be able to make their own choices about what they want to watch.

This seems to be just another attempt at scaring the populace with a new Bogeyman.

[spanone]

77. K&R

[Mike Niendorff]

81. Throwback to Al Gore ...

Remember Tipper Gore and the PMRC? It still pisses people off, even 30 years later.

So please, let's not be leaning back into that garbage, guys. Too much is on the line to indulge this crap.

And PS -- please for god's sake don't set up a situation where TikTok is put under the control of a wingnut-consortium like Steven Mnuchin is planning.


MDN

[Tribetime]

82. If I could recommend this one hundred times it would not be enough

[spanone]

84. K&R

[enid602]

86. Enthusiasm gag

I believe that the Dems will unfortunately suffer an enthusiasm gap until there’s a ceasefire. Has nothing to do with Til-Tok.

[Think. Again.]

87. Nah, the young voters aren't that dumb....

...if it really is a national security issue, then of course some changes have to made.

And why would anybody who uses tiktok care who the actual owner is, if they don't already care that it may be a national security issue?

The sale of the platform probably won't effect the users.

This whole "WE'RE LOSING THE YOUTH VOTE!!!" hysteria sounds more like psy-op than truth.

[Sky Jewels]

92. We CANNOT afford another massive self-inflicted wound!

Merrick Garland was plenty!

Millions of young people are already furious at and disgusted by the administration for enabling Netanyahu’s genocide in Gaza. You would think Dem politicians would realize this move would further dampen the Gen Z vote, which is essential if Biden is to keep Trump out of the White House. My own two Gen Z kids are definitely very angry about Gaza and the prospect of a TikTok ban.

[B.See]

94. AGREED 100 percent. Unfortunately many Democrats seem hell bent on bringing knives to a gunfight.

[Sky Jewels]

98. So true. The Republicans have been fighting dirty for many decades (Reagan's 1980 Iran hostage release delay, anyone?)

and yet too many Democrats always seem eager to be milquetoast "bipartisan" appeasers and play Charlie Brown to football-holding Lucy. Not all, not all, I know...

[betsuni]

100. Examples (not just one or two) of "milquetoast 'bipartisan' appeasers"? Majority of the party?

"Milquetoast" was a very popular insult for Democrats in 2016 and still Cornel West's favorite insult.

[betsuni]

109. So Gaza-TikTok trumps climate change, health care, civil rights, democracy, women's rights, the future.

Because they're "furious."

[DarthDem]

111. Almost Every TikToker

Is now also on YouTube Shorts. Which is actually more user-friendly at least IMO. This isn't going to have any impact whatsoever even if it passes and it results in a ban, which it probably won't.

Also, the (few) Very Online People up in arms about this won't vote anyway.

Finally, the president said immediately that he'd sign the bill. This isn't some neophyte; he's one of the best-steeped policymakers (maybe the best) in the history of the office. He's also advised by some brilliant people including many young advisors. I trust that they analyzed the proposal in depth, then figured this out.

[LeftInTX]

115. Yes, I recently made a NYE fireworks video and it went directly to YouTube shorts. No background music required.

There weren't any prompts for editing or background music.

Most Tik Tok videos are heavily edited. Like Tik Tok, the thing plays infinitely on YouTube shorts...LOL Fortunately, you are spared here!






src="

" title="NYE 2024" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share" allowfullscreen

[DarthDem]

119. Nice video!

I haven't heard any content creators I follow complain about YT Shorts versus TikTok. Google can probably figure out how to have YouTube host videos, LOL.

[rockfordfile]

129. Tiktok is China and China is a threat to USA

Get rid of it. I support my country USA.

[betsuni]

132. China and Russia are huge threats, they are serious.

[ancianita]

114. Youth's screen addiction is a thing. The Internet is global enough to continue their addiction.

[Tarheel_Dem]

116. Good Lord. Another day. Another useless threat from a another "Democratic" demographic. I'll take the word of...

President Biden who has actual access to national security threat information over that of the Tik Tok demographic.

[betsuni]

118. Yes.

[Pisces]

121. It's a misstep and I know 18 yr olds that voted in the primary that are very upset by this.They are not a

Useless demographic. I don’t think we can afford to be so cavalier in this election. It could have waited until after the election.

[Tarheel_Dem]

122. It's the same shit every election cycle. I refuse to be guided by fear of this group or that group withholding their...

support. You can't please everyone, and I would never even try, especially after someone has threatened me.

[Trexmaster]

123. Deprogramming and Vine

#1 – Are the youth in question old enough to vote?
Yeah, it's a tragedy they're exposed to filth but, at best, it's part of their own journey to understand how the world works, eventually. If they're not old enough to vote, then they're not a concern for the moment.
Any precarious political programming with catchy slogans & short videos, during their teens/late teens, can be deprogrammed just as easily.

#2 – Everyone remembers Vine. Of course, 6-second videos would never do the trick, nor its succesor Huddles/Byte didn't with its 2-16 seconds limit.
More out of curiosity I ask, why did Vine (later Huddles) failed to grow, than how Tiktok hit the global marketplace besides the American one? Are the Chinese bleeding money, server maintenance costs, or something that I miss? Somebody, somehow, is bleeding financial resources.
It doesn't add up how this became a problem; what Vine could've been, instead of Tiktok...

[LeftInTX]

126. The Green Party and Party of Socialism and Liberation, Communist Party USA and their followers are heavily on Tik Tok

They're Biden's rivals.

[Mountainguy]

131. Watching people fall for Chinese propaganda

about how the Chinese aren't using TikTok for propaganda is pretty interesting.

[betsuni]

135. Yes it is.

[William769]

134. Send them all to AA/NA or whatever.

If thats thier attention...

[betsuni]

136. Won't vote for Democrats because they think Democrats aren't focusing on other matters

that seem more important?: gullible fools with no idea what the Biden administration is doing and wouldn't vote anyway, even if offered a magical revolutionary most-progressive-in-the-universe savior-god. So what?

[no_hypocrisy]

138. Isn't this academic until the Senate votes on it, potentially not to force

TT to divest?

[kcr]

144. If the youth were so in tune

that they would blow everything up over a TikTok "ban", then we'd never have a problem with their turnout. But let's go ahead and scream and wave our arms about it anyway, and make it a huge issue.

[Autumn]

147. Addicted? I don't think so. It's their trusted form of communication.

I have seen nothing to prove anything wrong with it.