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What… wha'? Chickens have uteruses, instead of oviducts?!? Since when, PETA? (Original Post) MrScorpio Nov 2012 OP
Steamed some broccoli for dinner last night - heard it screaming. nt DCKit Nov 2012 #1
Chickens that are used in egg production can suffer pain and distress. Brocolli can't. Vattel Nov 2012 #8
The pain and distress in veg industrial farming comes in advance when small animals Bluenorthwest Nov 2012 #13
The soil is a living thing -- Just putting a spade in the ground kills countless living things. FarCenter Nov 2012 #17
I am not against killing nonsentient living things. Vattel Nov 2012 #53
As opposed to the tenfold increase in harvesting for feed for 'food animals?' yewberry Nov 2012 #23
Chickens lay eggs Aerows Nov 2012 #92
My next door neighbor pampers his laying hens Warpy Nov 2012 #102
I know! Aerows Nov 2012 #111
My post was about industrial agriculture. Perhaps you meant to respond to someone else? yewberry Nov 2012 #118
The fact that your biology class didn't teach you what plants do in response to damage jeff47 Nov 2012 #46
What evidence is there that they do feel pain? Vattel Nov 2012 #68
They don't feel pain as we do, and chickens don't give birth the way we do. pnwmom Nov 2012 #85
edging my way towards the door Vattel Nov 2012 #95
Face it! There's nothing left to eat! pnwmom Nov 2012 #97
fruits and nuts? Vattel Nov 2012 #108
You're right -- fruits and nuts. Do they contain all the essential amino acids? pnwmom Nov 2012 #112
This message was self-deleted by its author Vattel Nov 2012 #114
The only difference between their response to damage and ours jeff47 Nov 2012 #96
but the point is that they don't feel anything Vattel Nov 2012 #109
My point is they do feel it. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2012 #115
Being alive, responding to stimuli, moving, etc are insufficent for sentiency Vattel Nov 2012 #116
No, your "as far as we can tell" is false. jeff47 Nov 2012 #117
Those plant experiments have been debunked. Vattel Nov 2012 #125
Whether or not you believe that one study, it's just an example jeff47 Nov 2012 #128
I worry that this sort of new age silliness provides a rationalization for inflicting suffering Vattel Nov 2012 #129
I just KNEW this fucking cat was evil! It needs to be dealt with! snooper2 Nov 2012 #69
Have the broccoli ever told you that? pnwmom Nov 2012 #83
Really. Have you ever harvested a vegetable of fruit by cutting it's connection to the plant. bluestate10 Nov 2012 #113
The Great Vegetable Rebellion is coming... Lightbulb_on Nov 2012 #26
Thanks for helping to spread the message Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #2
actually i would say dumb or confusing publicity is the worse loli phabay Nov 2012 #3
Which is why Mitt Romney was so happy about the 47% video. nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #27
I think it's a great message, it gives a whole new meaning to.. snooper2 Nov 2012 #70
facepalm Aerows Nov 2012 #93
To spoiled children any attention is better than no attention. Matariki Nov 2012 #78
What message? That PETA is an unscrupulous, dishonest, ignorant bunch of yahoos? cleanhippie Nov 2012 #84
According to the Google, eggs ARE chicken menstruation Eyes of the World Nov 2012 #4
PETA is stupid according to google Confusious Nov 2012 #21
PeTA is just as dumb and climate change deniers william cail Nov 2012 #104
That must be what makes them taste so good. Brickbat Nov 2012 #5
This is an example of why so many people don't take PETA seriously. Siwsan Nov 2012 #6
PETA's claim about eggs coming from chicken menstruation is accurate apparently Vattel Nov 2012 #7
seriously.. they're trying to gross people out, and it's a poor way to do it, Voice for Peace Nov 2012 #12
Actually it's not Confusious Nov 2012 #22
I don't care whether the ad is factually accurate Vattel Nov 2012 #54
Neither did PETA apparently. 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #58
I certainly hope you're joking Confusious Nov 2012 #60
The ad is stupid regardless of whether it is accurate. That's why I don't care. Vattel Nov 2012 #65
Actually it's a reasonable parallel. yewberry Nov 2012 #62
Chickens have no uterus Confusious Nov 2012 #63
Why does the uterus parallel have to be there? Silent3 Nov 2012 #89
You need a uterus to have menstration Confusious Nov 2012 #94
Menstruation occurs primarily to discard unfertilized eggs.... Silent3 Nov 2012 #98
Like I said, it's a political statement Confusious Nov 2012 #100
I already said the Peta ad is idiotic... Silent3 Nov 2012 #105
It's PETA Confusious Nov 2012 #124
Once again, afemale chicken does have a uterus. yewberry Nov 2012 #121
Here is an explanation of the anatomy of a chicken Confusious Nov 2012 #122
And, again see Plate VIIa for the user of the term 'uterus' (nt) muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #127
Really? Female chickens have no uterus? Ever heard of a shell gland? yewberry Nov 2012 #120
Bullshit Confusious Nov 2012 #123
See figure 3 of the PDF muriel_volestrangler Nov 2012 #126
You could easily post a picture of a plant growing out of a pile of manure 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #37
I am desperately trying to figure out what your point might be. Vattel Nov 2012 #55
It's pretty obvious 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #57
Okay, but why was your post directed towards me? Vattel Nov 2012 #66
PETA has become a parody at this point! Logical Nov 2012 #9
I'm a vegetarian. NOT because I love animals ... 66 dmhlt Nov 2012 #10
PETA strikes again quinnox Nov 2012 #11
Just respond with "ovum" form "sperm" in the Mounty Python song. 'Nuff said. Igel Nov 2012 #15
Poor chickens -- PMS once a day! FarCenter Nov 2012 #14
PETA is ridiculous. longship Nov 2012 #16
What a ridiculous and disgusting add nadinbrzezinski Nov 2012 #18
Offensive and ridiculous slackmaster Nov 2012 #19
and they want to be taken seriously? PETA has jumped the shark. piratefish08 Nov 2012 #20
Oh, can it be? yewberry Nov 2012 #24
so do you agree with PETA about the no eating eggs quinnox Nov 2012 #28
Do you seriously not know one person who doesn't eat any animal products? Beaverhausen Nov 2012 #30
that is irrelevent quinnox Nov 2012 #31
No, that is what is irrelevant Beaverhausen Nov 2012 #32
well the reason I asked was they seemed to be indignant about the people mocking the ad and PETA quinnox Nov 2012 #33
What I eat is the relevant question? yewberry Nov 2012 #38
you're right. we should all be more respectful liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #40
Exactly. There's no reason for needling. yewberry Nov 2012 #41
Bless their hearts. aikoaiko Nov 2012 #25
Umm...I know what I'm having for breakfast!!! nt msanthrope Nov 2012 #29
I love it when radical omnivores propagate PETA ads. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #34
"radical omnivores" quinnox Nov 2012 #35
Seems fair to me. Warren Stupidity Nov 2012 #47
wow, you are a hardcore quinnox Nov 2012 #48
Is that real? 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #36
Legitimate PETA ads are basically autosatirizing by now. (nt) Posteritatis Nov 2012 #49
They're the weird Al of the Cause world 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #50
I love eggs liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #39
The only animals that menstruate are haplorine primates. mysuzuki2 Nov 2012 #42
Don't they teach biology in high school anymore? Retrograde Nov 2012 #43
They also claim chickens can do basic math. Insane. Initech Nov 2012 #44
I lost a bingo game to a chicken in Vegas once. Damn intellectual elite poultry. piratefish08 Nov 2012 #67
I always like this line from The Simpsons Movie: Initech Nov 2012 #72
I'm a vegetarian, and support peta (in spirit), but this approach is lame at best whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #45
Hey, PETA. I just finished eating a turkey sandwich. GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #51
+1! darkangel218 Nov 2012 #52
I made the mistake of leaving the tupperware open on the counter. progressoid Nov 2012 #59
How original. flvegan Nov 2012 #61
So what do you expect on the day after Thanksgiving? GreenStormCloud Nov 2012 #88
Exactly what I got. Thanks. n/t flvegan Nov 2012 #103
PETA - giving Leftists a bad name. nt NashvilleLefty Nov 2012 #56
"Leftists" whatchamacallit Nov 2012 #73
peta isn't 'leftest'. They're more like right wing anti-choice zealots. Matariki Nov 2012 #75
Once again, my belief about PETA is upheld jmowreader Nov 2012 #64
Look, I eat eggs chloes1 Nov 2012 #71
+1000 n/t geardaddy Nov 2012 #81
God, I really hate these evengelicalizing assholes. Matariki Nov 2012 #74
"Evangelist Assholes" is redundant riqster Nov 2012 #107
I'm a vegetarian, but... liberalmuse Nov 2012 #76
Idiots. MADem Nov 2012 #77
If they really want to gross people out geardaddy Nov 2012 #79
Why PETA is a J-O-K-E. earthside Nov 2012 #80
Ya know, this is why I once suggested a new slogan to PETA. . . DinahMoeHum Nov 2012 #82
Wait! What would be wrong with that? It wouldn't hurt the menstruating female pnwmom Nov 2012 #86
I only eat eggs from chickens that either have had their uterus removed... yawnmaster Nov 2012 #87
What? They are branching out from their old standbys of sex or guilt? Tom Ripley Nov 2012 #90
PETA is crazy Aerows Nov 2012 #91
Is there a more perfect food than the egg? I think not! Bake Nov 2012 #99
PETA would do more good in this world if they promoted backyard chickens Hekate Nov 2012 #101
PETA once again proves that human women are yucky. Chorophyll Nov 2012 #106
which begs the question- why can't women lay decent eggs...? BlueMan Votes Nov 2012 #110
I think the more important question is: gort Nov 2012 #119
 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
13. The pain and distress in veg industrial farming comes in advance when small animals
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 11:03 AM
Nov 2012

are killed or otherwise driven from their natural habitat to create 'cruelty free feild' for growing the veg. The typical death toll is massive, particularly if one includes the inscet life that dies.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
53. I am not against killing nonsentient living things.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 07:27 PM
Nov 2012

If I am ever a human vegetable (i.e., terminally comatose), I hope someone kills me.

yewberry

(6,530 posts)
23. As opposed to the tenfold increase in harvesting for feed for 'food animals?'
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:41 PM
Nov 2012

Say a pound of meat requires ten pounds of grain to produce. Are harvesting deaths and habitat destruction magically non-existent in producing that feed?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
92. Chickens lay eggs
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:58 PM
Nov 2012

Whether or not they have ever seen a rooster in their lives. It's absolutely ridiculous to bitch about people eating eggs or drinking milk. People can successfully raise chickens in a cruelty free environment without environmental destruction, and frankly, cows don't take a whole lot of work for milk cows in rural areas.

Warpy

(111,247 posts)
102. My next door neighbor pampers his laying hens
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:32 AM
Nov 2012

long after they've stopped producing eggs. He keeps on feeding them until they keel over. He treats them as pets. The chickens spend the day scratching around and being chickens. At night they have a warm coop.

They have never seen a rooster. Once in a while one of them gets an egg stuck. My neighbor knows how to take care of it and does, as he keeps the coop clean and the chickens healthy and free of internal and external parasites.

To suggest any cruelty to these incredibly pampered chickens just because he eats their unfertilized eggs is nuts.

PETA needs to pick their battles one hell of a lot better.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
111. I know!
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:29 PM
Nov 2012

Some people keep pet chickens so pampered that they are indoor chickens and have "chicken diapers". If you are eating an egg from a chicken so well loved (and they can be great pets, too) that it purposefully runs to you for safety and comfort, it's lunacy to call that abuse.

There is a reason why they are called domesticated animals - it's because they were bred to interact peacefully, usefully and compatibly with humans. If you turned a domesticated chicken out into the wild it would be a death sentence, which is why, yet again, PETA is stupid.

yewberry

(6,530 posts)
118. My post was about industrial agriculture. Perhaps you meant to respond to someone else?
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:09 PM
Nov 2012

And it might be absolutely ridiculous to bitch about people eating eggs or drinking milk if the vast majority of eggs and milk weren't produced in environmentally destructive, cruel conditions.

But they're not.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
46. The fact that your biology class didn't teach you what plants do in response to damage
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 03:30 PM
Nov 2012

doesn't mean they don't suffer pain.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
85. They don't feel pain as we do, and chickens don't give birth the way we do.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 02:20 PM
Nov 2012

You can't prove that an animal-style nervous system is the ONLY way to feel pain.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/15/science/15food.html?pagewanted=all

Unlike a lowing, running cow, a plant’s reactions to attack are much harder for us to detect. But just like a chicken running around without its head, the body of a corn plant torn from the soil or sliced into pieces struggles to save itself, just as vigorously and just as uselessly, if much less obviously to the human ear and eye.

When a plant is wounded, its body immediately kicks into protection mode. It releases a bouquet of volatile chemicals, which in some cases have been shown to induce neighboring plants to pre-emptively step up their own chemical defenses and in other cases to lure in predators of the beasts that may be causing the damage to the plants. Inside the plant, repair systems are engaged and defenses are mounted, the molecular details of which scientists are still working out, but which involve signaling molecules coursing through the body to rally the cellular troops, even the enlisting of the genome itself, which begins churning out defense-related proteins.

Plants don’t just react to attacks, though. They stand forever at the ready. Witness the endless thorns, stinging hairs and deadly poisons with which they are armed. If all this effort doesn’t look like an organism trying to survive, then I’m not sure what would. Plants are not the inert pantries of sustenance we might wish them to be.

If a plant’s myriad efforts to keep from being eaten aren’t enough to stop you from heedlessly laying into that quinoa salad, then maybe knowing that plants can do any number of things that we typically think of as animal-like would. They move, for one thing, carrying out activities that could only be called behaving, if at a pace visible only via time-lapse photography. Not too long ago, scientists even reported evidence that plants could detect and grow differently depending on whether they were in the presence of close relatives, a level of behavioral sophistication most animals have not yet been found to show.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
112. You're right -- fruits and nuts. Do they contain all the essential amino acids?
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:20 PM
Nov 2012

And B-12? And the other essential nutrients?

Response to pnwmom (Reply #112)

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
96. The only difference between their response to damage and ours
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 07:17 PM
Nov 2012

is we have a step where our central nervous system is alerted so we can move away from the source of the damage.

They have something equivalent to every other part of our reaction to pain. Including the stuff that actually hurts, like swelling.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
116. Being alive, responding to stimuli, moving, etc are insufficent for sentiency
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:48 PM
Nov 2012

Humans can be alive, move, and respond to stimuli even when unconscious. As far as we can tell you need some neural equipment like we and many other animals have to be sentient.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
117. No, your "as far as we can tell" is false.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:59 PM
Nov 2012

They did an experiment where one person abused a plant, such as burning parts, ripping parts off, yelling at it and so on.
Another person treated the plant nicely - spoke nicely, gave the plant water and fertilizer.

They did this to measure the effects of the abuse on the plant. But an odd thing happened - the plant started reacting to the "evil" person before they interacted with the plant. In fact, it started preparing for damage even when the "evil" person just stood next to the plant and did nothing.

That pretty clearly demonstrates that the plant is doing much more than just reacting to stimuli. The plant was reacting without any known method of stimuli.

We're finding the concept of "consciousness" is trickier than we thought. Just like we used to think only humans and chimps made tools...until we found a lot of other animals making tools.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
128. Whether or not you believe that one study, it's just an example
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 11:14 AM
Nov 2012

We're finding out all sorts of things that don't make sense from a "plants don't feel" perspective. How come some plants grow better when surrounded by their relatives?

Fact is something has to die for us to live. To pretend that is possible to do without inflicting any suffering is wrong.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
129. I worry that this sort of new age silliness provides a rationalization for inflicting suffering
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 12:14 PM
Nov 2012

on beings that can actually suffer.

Seriously, can't you at least admit that I have more reason to believe that, say, dogs suffer than to believe that brocolli suffers?

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
83. Have the broccoli ever told you that?
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 02:13 PM
Nov 2012

Lots of people think broccoli have feelings . . . .

In fact broccoli's feelings are AT LEAST every bit as real as chickens' periods.

bluestate10

(10,942 posts)
113. Really. Have you ever harvested a vegetable of fruit by cutting it's connection to the plant.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 10:33 PM
Nov 2012

If you haven't then try it. If you have, may be you should pay attention next time.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
3. actually i would say dumb or confusing publicity is the worse
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:24 AM
Nov 2012

Either were you have no idea what the ad is about or when its so dumb people laugh at you and the message you are trying to get across.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
78. To spoiled children any attention is better than no attention.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:32 PM
Nov 2012

Yeah they got attention, but not attention that furthers their cause.

That disgusting ad isn't going to make anyone a vegan who already isn't one. It's just going to make more people think peta is a useless organization full of immature idiots. And what does that get them?

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
84. What message? That PETA is an unscrupulous, dishonest, ignorant bunch of yahoos?
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 02:16 PM
Nov 2012

I am all for the promotion of that message.

 
4. According to the Google, eggs ARE chicken menstruation
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:27 AM
Nov 2012
https://www.google.com/search?q=chicken+menstruation&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US fficial&client=firefox-a

Sometimes the truth is weird.

But it is still the truth.

Enjoy your chicken-period and ham on toast...

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
21. PETA is stupid according to google
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:26 PM
Nov 2012
http://www.google.com/search?q=peta+is+stupid&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en


What else do you believe because google says so?

Btw, only mammals, and only a select few menstrate. Menstrating is the shedding of the outer lining of the uterus. Chickens have no uterus, THEY LAY EGGS. Hence they do not menstrate, and hence PETA is stupid.
 

william cail

(32 posts)
104. PeTA is just as dumb and climate change deniers
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:39 AM
Nov 2012

Just stop PeTA. Chickens laying eggs is a natural bodily function. Now I do buy my eggs cage free. I compare PeTA to the anit vaxxers. Being ignorant on science doesn't do you any good.

Brickbat

(19,339 posts)
5. That must be what makes them taste so good.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:30 AM
Nov 2012

PETA forcing its message through disparaging women? AGAIN?

Siwsan

(26,260 posts)
6. This is an example of why so many people don't take PETA seriously.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:30 AM
Nov 2012

There are ways to make points or state an issue without being obnoxious and offensive. PETA just seems to feel the need to shock, and shock rarely wins people over to a point of view.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
7. PETA's claim about eggs coming from chicken menstruation is accurate apparently
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:37 AM
Nov 2012

but what a weird way to promote their viewpoint. Why not just provide evidence of the suffering that chickens go through because people are greedy and don't make egg production more humane?

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
12. seriously.. they're trying to gross people out, and it's a poor way to do it,
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 11:01 AM
Nov 2012

using "menstruation" as a negative, a reason not to eat eggs.
There needs to be a counter-ad, showing those chickens
leaping happily through fields of flowers as they lay their
eggs.

I'm glad PETA looks out for animals and they've had many
great victories. But this ad is stupid.

People have been eating eggs for zillions of eons.
It's the horrible mistreatment of chickens who are mass-laying
eggs under horrible conditions, THAT's the reason not to
eat those eggs -- not because hens expel the eggs from their
ladyparts.

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
22. Actually it's not
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:30 PM
Nov 2012

Only mammals menstrate, and then only a select few.

If you had taken a few moments to look it up, you would have found that.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
65. The ad is stupid regardless of whether it is accurate. That's why I don't care.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 10:50 AM
Nov 2012

I am against the inhumane treatment of egg-laying chickens, but not in favor of this sort of approach to opposing it.

yewberry

(6,530 posts)
62. Actually it's a reasonable parallel.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:42 AM
Nov 2012

Eggs are released by human females, which also releases associated tissues and fluids.

Eggs are released by avian females, which releases the eggs from the uterus with a shell.


The definition is different, but the reproductive parallel exists.

Silent3

(15,206 posts)
89. Why does the uterus parallel have to be there?
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 06:01 PM
Nov 2012

There are enough other parallels that I can see the point -- but only sort of. The Peta ad is still idiotic. Nevertheless, there are times when flexible, poetic use of language is a perfectly reasonable rhetorical technique, and strict rules of biology don't have to apply.

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
94. You need a uterus to have menstration
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 07:08 PM
Nov 2012

So there is no parallel.

Some parallels work in art. This isn't art, in any sense of the word. It's a political statement.

Silent3

(15,206 posts)
98. Menstruation occurs primarily to discard unfertilized eggs....
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 07:23 PM
Nov 2012

...and other tissue created in preparation for fertilization. Maybe that's not enough of a parallel for your sense of analogous concepts, but it's good enough that no one should be getting up on their high horse declaring with annoyance or disdain such an analogy to be flat-out WRONG!!1!11!

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
100. Like I said, it's a political statement
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 02:42 AM
Nov 2012

not art.

Even if it were art, There's plenty of reason to get up on your horse when dipshits like PETA distort science. Or any dipshit for that matter.

We make fun of Republicans here all the time when they spew bullshit about, or misuse, science. Why not PETA?

(Internet as a bunch of tubes by Ted Stevens comes to mind. That was a MUCH BETTER analogy, though wrong on the face of it, and we constantly berate him for it.

Why was it better? My EE teachers used the analogy of wires as tubes, voltage as water pressure, and the water as current.)

Unless of course you like to give people a pass on lying and bullshiting when they agree with you, or happen to be on your side of the isle.

I don't.

Silent3

(15,206 posts)
105. I already said the Peta ad is idiotic...
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:46 AM
Nov 2012

...so I'm not defending Peta at all. I think they're zealots who do their own cause more harm than good.

I hardly want to stand in the way of anyone making fun of Peta, Ted Stevens, or anyone else richly deserving ridicule. However, if someone had played Captain Obvious when talking about Stevens, and said with great disdain, "The internet uses SOLID wires, there's no hollow space inside, so it can't be tubes!", I would have jumped in to say that Stevens analogy wasn't all that bad, in and of itself, for certain limited uses.

What spoils such analogies for both Peta and Stevens is inept bumbling usage of those analogies. In Steven's case, he seemed so clueless that you had to wonder if he might have literally meant tubes. In Peta's case, I don't think they're deliberately misrepresenting the biology, they're just so determined to go for the gross-out factor that they're playing up a loose analogy like it's a much stronger one.

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
124. It's PETA
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 05:47 AM
Nov 2012

People for the Ethical Treatment of ANIMALS.

A. If they don't know the difference, they're stupid and ignorant. They are for ANIMALS after all. Wouldn't it be smart to know basic biology if you love the animals so much?

or

B. They do know, and are purposefully distorting things to gross people out. Which is deceitful and dishonest.

So either way, they're either stupid or liars. I don't care for either.

yewberry

(6,530 posts)
121. Once again, afemale chicken does have a uterus.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:45 AM
Nov 2012

The analogy is completely valid.

The parallel processes of egg release among humans and chickens might be different in a few ways, but the egg release itself is similar. No, this is not art. It's simple biology.

yewberry

(6,530 posts)
120. Really? Female chickens have no uterus? Ever heard of a shell gland?
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 01:38 AM
Nov 2012

That's the UTERUS.

So yeah, it is absolutely analogous.

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
123. Bullshit
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 05:38 AM
Nov 2012

If it makes a MFing egg, then it's an ovary.

shell gland: "Zoology a gland in certain invertebrates that secretes the components required for forming the shell of an egg"

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/shell+gland
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/shell+gland

Chickens are vertebrates.

Seriously, remedial biology classes for you.


"Might as well call a horse a dog, it's analogous" Hyuck, Hyuck.

Find me the MFing uterus on this picture:

http://www2.ca.uky.edu/afspoultry-files/pubs/Anatomy_Female_reproductive.pdf

muriel_volestrangler

(101,307 posts)
126. See figure 3 of the PDF
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:48 AM
Nov 2012

That has actually backed up the used of 'uterus' as an alternate name for 'shell gland' in chicken reproductive biology.

Not that I think the PETA 'menstruation' ad is anything other than an idiotic attempt to make a few people go "yuck - bodily processes! I never want to have anything to do with them!".

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
37. You could easily post a picture of a plant growing out of a pile of manure
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 02:20 PM
Nov 2012

and point out that plants thrive on excrement and convert that in to vegetable matter.

So when you're eating a plant you're eating shit, once removed.

/at least with meat you have two degrees of separation.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
57. It's pretty obvious
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 07:34 PM
Nov 2012

PETA is using the "ewww icky" factor to discredit eating eggs.

That could easily be applied to any food item if you try just a bit.

So as an argument goes that's pretty idiotic.

PETA has jumped the shark on this one. Or they would have if shark jumping weren't comparable to torture BECAUSE SHARKS ARE PEOPLE TOO!

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
66. Okay, but why was your post directed towards me?
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 10:51 AM
Nov 2012

I agree that the ad is dumb. You should read the posts you respond to.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
11. PETA strikes again
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 10:54 AM
Nov 2012

There were some PETA fans giving me a hard time in a different thread, let's hear them justify this, and tell me I should feel guilty every time I eat an egg. I get the feeling it will be *crickets* on this one.

 

FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
14. Poor chickens -- PMS once a day!
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 11:17 AM
Nov 2012

But the egg is laid whether it is fertilized or not. There is rarely any bleeding, and then usually only when young pullets lay a large egg.

yewberry

(6,530 posts)
24. Oh, can it be?
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 12:53 PM
Nov 2012

Someone has gone out in search of something to mock and come back with peta material? Imagine that! Incidentally, female chickens do actually have a uterus--it's also referred to as the shell gland.

It'd probably be more accurate to say that chicken eggs result from a process analogous to human menstruation. Better?

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
30. Do you seriously not know one person who doesn't eat any animal products?
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:17 PM
Nov 2012

Just like the other thread, you seem shocked that anyone would choose to be a vegan.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
31. that is irrelevent
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:20 PM
Nov 2012

Let me guess, you have no problem with the ad and think it makes a good point.

Beaverhausen

(24,470 posts)
32. No, that is what is irrelevant
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:35 PM
Nov 2012

You asked the other poster if he or she agreed on the 'no eating eggs thing' - not on the ad. I know many vegans who might think this ad is stupid but still don't eat eggs.

 

quinnox

(20,600 posts)
33. well the reason I asked was they seemed to be indignant about the people mocking the ad and PETA
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 01:55 PM
Nov 2012

so I figured they might agree with the thrust of the ad, but wasn't sure.

yewberry

(6,530 posts)
38. What I eat is the relevant question?
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 02:27 PM
Nov 2012

Hardly indignant-- just pointing out that this is the second time this week that someone has gone in search of something to be offended by and brought back peta material.

While the vegetarians and vegans at DU have varying degrees of support for peta as an organization, many of these threads dance right up to the line of insulting DUers and quite often cross it.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
40. you're right. we should all be more respectful
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 02:51 PM
Nov 2012

What you choose to eat should be respected as should those of us who choose to eat meat and processed food. I've never understood the everybody should have to do what I do mentallity. If something works for you that's fantastic. Do it. If you don't like to eat meat. Don't eat meat. If you do like to eat meat. Eat meat. I don't see the need for either side to have hostilities toward the other.

yewberry

(6,530 posts)
41. Exactly. There's no reason for needling.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 03:04 PM
Nov 2012

If there's a newsworthy story to post on the subject, go for it. But really, there's no reason to post flamebait, is there?

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
36. Is that real?
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 02:17 PM
Nov 2012

It's getting hard to tell a legitimate PETA ad from a satirical PETA ad mocking their unhinged views.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
39. I love eggs
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 02:31 PM
Nov 2012

I eat them everyday for breaksfast. PETA needs to quit trying to get people to quit eating animals and concentrate on educating people on the abuse those animals receive. Americans are never going to quit eating animals but we could put pressure on the farmers and the distributors to treat them and kill them humanely.

mysuzuki2

(3,521 posts)
42. The only animals that menstruate are haplorine primates.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 03:10 PM
Nov 2012

These are apes (including humans), both old world and new world monkeys and tarsiers. Really, there seem to be few of the PETA extremists that know much about biology.

Retrograde

(10,133 posts)
43. Don't they teach biology in high school anymore?
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 03:17 PM
Nov 2012

For example, the differences between mammals and birds? Or the human reproductive cycle?

Initech

(100,064 posts)
72. I always like this line from The Simpsons Movie:
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:47 PM
Nov 2012

"Damn!! I got distracted by an idiot!!"
"Hey! I know how you feel! I lost a game of tic tac toe to a chicken!!"

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
51. Hey, PETA. I just finished eating a turkey sandwich.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 06:33 PM
Nov 2012

About to leave for work now. I work night shift - 12 hours. I have some turkey stew and a turkey sandwich packed in my (midnight) lunch sack.

progressoid

(49,983 posts)
59. I made the mistake of leaving the tupperware open on the counter.
Sun Nov 25, 2012, 08:10 PM
Nov 2012

The last serving of turkey was enjoyed by one of our cats. Bad kitty.

flvegan

(64,407 posts)
61. How original.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:57 AM
Nov 2012

Could have otherwise been phoned in as "I didn't read into it, so I answered ignorantly"

Go ahead jury, have at it.

GreenStormCloud

(12,072 posts)
88. So what do you expect on the day after Thanksgiving?
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 05:50 PM
Nov 2012

This morning I had eggs with cheddar cheeese scrambled in.

jmowreader

(50,555 posts)
64. Once again, my belief about PETA is upheld
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 03:07 AM
Nov 2012

I figure PETA is there to make the rest of the animal welfare groups look good by comparison. And with high-class (and wrong) ads like this one, I'm proven right time and time again.

chloes1

(88 posts)
71. Look, I eat eggs
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 11:16 AM
Nov 2012

because the chicken will lay the egg whether I eat the egg or not. Chickens laid eggs before man tampered with them, I actually own chickens so I have no problem eating their eggs.

It's the factory conditions that are so abhorrent; at least to me.

Matariki

(18,775 posts)
74. God, I really hate these evengelicalizing assholes.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:23 PM
Nov 2012

They want to be vegans. Fine. Totally fine personal decision. But they act like a bunch of petulant teenagers wanting to shock everyone into their shiny new life style.

Fuck off peta. Grow up and do something actually useful.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
107. "Evangelist Assholes" is redundant
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 01:28 PM
Nov 2012

Never met an evangelist of any sort that didn't make my fist itch.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
77. Idiots.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:28 PM
Nov 2012

Every time they do a good thing, like call attention to lab animals being tortured, they fuck it up and make themselves look like morons and whack-a-doodles when they do stupidd shit like this!

geardaddy

(24,926 posts)
79. If they really want to gross people out
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:40 PM
Nov 2012

they should just point out that eggs come out of the same hole as waste.



The cloaca.

That said, I'll take my sunny side up, please.

earthside

(6,960 posts)
80. Why PETA is a J-O-K-E.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:44 PM
Nov 2012

First I looked for the original source just to make sure that this wasn't some kind of disinformation meant to smear PETA.

But it is PETA: http://www.peta.org/features/would-you-eat-a-chickens-period.aspx

So, the PETA tactic seems to be that any publicity is good publicity, especially if they can make the news by offending average, ordinary folks who are trying the best they can to survive in this economy.

Well, even for those who might at some level be sympathetic, this kind of 'publicity' tends to make PETA what apparently it is: a joke.

But what do they care? Always some celebrity ready to be pictured for their cause ... that's an effective message for regular folks ... millionaires who have the luxury to be 'vegans' ... ( yeah, really, I'll bet ).

DinahMoeHum

(21,784 posts)
82. Ya know, this is why I once suggested a new slogan to PETA. . .
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 02:05 PM
Nov 2012
"Eat P***y, Not Meat"

and consequently got banned from their site.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
86. Wait! What would be wrong with that? It wouldn't hurt the menstruating female
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 02:27 PM
Nov 2012

if someone collected their already expelled menstrual fluids from the toilet, and consumed them. (Presuming the female herself had no interest in doing so herself.)

In fact, menstrual fluid probably is an excellent source of iron and protein . . .

People eat placentas, right? Wouldn't it be like eating a pre-placenta?

Maybe PETA has an idea here, they just don't know it!

yawnmaster

(2,812 posts)
87. I only eat eggs from chickens that either have had their uterus removed...
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 03:01 PM
Nov 2012

or were naturally born without one.
( I don't go for chickens that have been genetically modified by man to not have a uterus).

Bake

(21,977 posts)
99. Is there a more perfect food than the egg? I think not!
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 07:37 PM
Nov 2012

Good for any meal ... can be prepared many different ways ... so tasty!

Just this past weekend, we fried eggs, we scrambled eggs, put crumbled hard boiled eggs on salad, whipped up a perfect meringue for the banana pudding. As an ingredient in other dishes, the egg's uses are myriad!

Mmmmmmmm ... eggs!



Bake

Hekate

(90,645 posts)
101. PETA would do more good in this world if they promoted backyard chickens
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:02 AM
Nov 2012

My 4 hens are happy girls. My neighbors love the extra eggs I give away, and one of my neighbors likes my hens so much he got some of his own.

Having backyard chickens is easy, once you decide to do it. It doesn't get much more humane than letting them peck around in their space (in our case, a fenced side yard), putting out chicken kibble, and giving them a lot of your leftovers.

The more we promote that idea, the fewer chicken factories there will be. Working for tough regulations on said factories would help too.

But PETA? I think they live to gross people out, not come up with creative solutions for the problems they pose. Honestly, that ad is disgusting. But who in hell is going to give up scrambled eggs for breakfast because of it? I have no respect for them or their tactics.

In Hawai'ian the word for egg is hua moa: the fruit of the chicken. Just as it doesn't hurt an orange tree to pluck fruit from it, it doesn't hurt a naturally kept chicken to take its highly nutritious and delicious egg away every day.

Hekate

Chorophyll

(5,179 posts)
106. PETA once again proves that human women are yucky.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:48 AM
Nov 2012

I'd have a lot more respect for them if they stopped obsessing on women's body hair and bodily functions. Asshats.

 

BlueMan Votes

(903 posts)
110. which begs the question- why can't women lay decent eggs...?
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 07:12 PM
Nov 2012

i know i'd like a fresh omelet for breakfast once in awhile...

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