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BeyondGeography

(41,142 posts)
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 07:44 AM Mar 2024

Young people becoming less happy than older generations, research shows


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Young people are becoming less happy than older generations as they suffer “the equivalent of a midlife crisis”, global research has revealed as America’s top doctor warned that “young people are really struggling”.

Dr Vivek Murthy, the US surgeon general, said allowing children to use social media was like giving them medicine that is not proven to be safe. He said the failure of governments to better regulate social media in recent years was “insane”.

… After 12 years in which people aged 15 to 24 were measured as being happier than older generations in the US, the trend appears to have flipped in 2017. The gap has also narrowed in western Europe and the same change could happen in the coming year or two, it is thought. Murthy described the report findings as a “red flag that young people are really struggling in the US and now increasingly around the world”. He said he was still waiting to see data that proved social media platforms were safe for children and adolescents, and called for international action to improve real-life social connections for young people.

… World Happiness Report, an annual barometer of wellbeing in 140 nations coordinated by Oxford University’s Wellbeing Research Centre, Gallup and the UN Sustainable Development Solutions Network, showed “disconcerting drops [in youth happiness] especially in North America and western Europe,” said Prof Jan-Emmanuel De Neve, director of the Wellbeing Research Centre and editor of the study. “To think that in some parts of the world children are already experiencing the equivalent of a midlife crisis, demands immediate policy action,” he said.

More at https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/mar/20/young-people-becoming-less-happy-than-older-generations-research-shows?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other


Student Reporting Labs speaks with Surgeon General on youth mental health:

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Young people becoming less happy than older generations, research shows (Original Post) BeyondGeography Mar 2024 OP
Instant gratification of all things at twice the speed of life was not a good thing? bucolic_frolic Mar 2024 #1
Yes parenting changed greatly in the 80's and 90's. Irish_Dem Mar 2024 #2
I told my daughter to restrict Tree Lady Mar 2024 #30
Do they at least make him do some chores? Irish_Dem Mar 2024 #31
I don't think he does much at my exes Tree Lady Mar 2024 #33
That is great. Irish_Dem Mar 2024 #34
School shootings, climate crisis, the rotting of safety nets for young and old, dismal prospects for house ownership... WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2024 #3
While my answer is closer to "all of the above" Geechie Mar 2024 #4
Peer interaction has much more of an impact on younger people than the big issues BeyondGeography Mar 2024 #5
Lack of third spaces, irrational fear of stranger danger, cutting budgets for public places and programs and relying WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2024 #6
Do you forget what it was like to be a kid? BeyondGeography Mar 2024 #8
My point is social media is a symptom, not a cause. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2024 #9
Promoting a victim mentality doesn't help either. BannonsLiver Mar 2024 #24
I was never Rebl2 Mar 2024 #19
If only they understood limbicnuminousity Mar 2024 #13
And to think, all of these problems would cease to exist BannonsLiver Mar 2024 #23
What a bizarre post. It has nothing to do with anything in this thread. Scrivener7 Mar 2024 #26
Danger of being shot at any moment.... ananda Mar 2024 #7
I think they are smart enough to see what they are facing. Why the fuck should they be happy? Autumn Mar 2024 #10
I'm that older generation and I was never THAT happy about things. harumph Mar 2024 #11
Their future is dark because of approaching catastrophic climate change Kaleva Mar 2024 #12
Media ramming negativity down their throats mixed with the envy social media causes Johnny2X2X Mar 2024 #14
Got two words for you, maybe you can explain it away. Autumn Mar 2024 #15
Absoutely a huge issue Johnny2X2X Mar 2024 #16
So how is that "a bright future"? Autumn Mar 2024 #17
These 'kids' are spoiled. Every single person I know with children has handed them EVERYTHING. nt GuppyGal Mar 2024 #18
Do you think that none of their concerns are valid? Mariana Mar 2024 #25
. Scrivener7 Mar 2024 #27
Who can blame them? They face a Mad Max world - climate change destruction; rising health insurance costs (not care); Nanjeanne Mar 2024 #20
Agreed. limbicnuminousity Mar 2024 #21
Inflation spiked for a couple years Johnny2X2X Mar 2024 #22
Could it be that in 2017 a semi-literate, racist, conman was elected over a qualified woman JT45242 Mar 2024 #28
As the largest voting block in America, it is time to stop feeling sad and VOTE - walkingman Mar 2024 #29
Just look at the freakout over thought of tiktok being banned JI7 Mar 2024 #32

bucolic_frolic

(55,326 posts)
1. Instant gratification of all things at twice the speed of life was not a good thing?
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 07:49 AM
Mar 2024

Who could have figured that out?

Tree Lady

(13,310 posts)
30. I told my daughter to restrict
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 02:47 PM
Mar 2024

how much gaming my grandson did, but she was going through bad years of marriage then divorce so she liked how quiet he was in his room.

Now at almost 27 he isn't working, lives for free most of the time with his grandfather, my ex and nothing we say helps. My daughter who is a manager hired him at her dealership and he had easy job of driving cars to other shops and then got bored after a few years and quit. That was a few years ago, only a few jobs lasting few months since.

My ex doesn't want to kick him out to be homeless so what to do?


Irish_Dem

(81,601 posts)
31. Do they at least make him do some chores?
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 02:52 PM
Mar 2024

I would have him start doing yardwork and housework to earn his keep.
And to help him learn how to do productive work.

Tree Lady

(13,310 posts)
33. I don't think he does much at my exes
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 02:57 PM
Mar 2024

but since his sister moved back to area with two little ones 3 & 1, he has spent his time off helping raise them. He is great with the kids.

Irish_Dem

(81,601 posts)
34. That is great.
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 03:12 PM
Mar 2024

For a lot of reasons.
Maybe he can help his sister with other things as well.

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,014 posts)
3. School shootings, climate crisis, the rotting of safety nets for young and old, dismal prospects for house ownership...
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 08:21 AM
Mar 2024

…no, must be the social media.

BeyondGeography

(41,142 posts)
5. Peer interaction has much more of an impact on younger people than the big issues
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 08:49 AM
Mar 2024

Hence the focus on social media. I don’t think it’s the surgeon general who is whiffing here.

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,014 posts)
6. Lack of third spaces, irrational fear of stranger danger, cutting budgets for public places and programs and relying
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 08:57 AM
Mar 2024

on parent-funded activities for *some* kids to congregate...yeah, again, must be the social media.

BeyondGeography

(41,142 posts)
8. Do you forget what it was like to be a kid?
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 09:09 AM
Mar 2024

Do you think you’d be any different if you substituted your phone-free childhood and all the mental and physical freedoms that came with it with five hours a day of social media time?

Every era had its challenges, what makes this time unique? It certainly isn’t political clusterfucks and misguided parenting.

WhiskeyGrinder

(27,014 posts)
9. My point is social media is a symptom, not a cause.
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 09:32 AM
Mar 2024
Do you think you’d be any different if you substituted your phone-free childhood and all the mental and physical freedoms that came with it with five hours a day of social media time?
A lot of those mental and physical freedoms are gone not because kids have phones, but because political clusterfucks and misguided parenting have eliminated them. Kids will always try to connect, and if we take away spaces for them to be in and the ability to connect on their own in person, social media becomes a default.

Rebl2

(17,791 posts)
19. I was never
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 11:19 AM
Mar 2024

a happy kid because I was always in pain and going to doctors to figure out why I was in pain. This was back in the 1960’s. Was not a happy teen either.

ananda

(35,246 posts)
7. Danger of being shot at any moment....
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 09:00 AM
Mar 2024

Danger of climate change....

Danger of not getting access to election sites....

OK, what's not to be happy about?

Autumn

(48,972 posts)
10. I think they are smart enough to see what they are facing. Why the fuck should they be happy?
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 09:37 AM
Mar 2024

Ungrateful little shits.

harumph

(3,298 posts)
11. I'm that older generation and I was never THAT happy about things.
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 09:45 AM
Mar 2024

I am concerned about social media substituting cathartic bitch sessions and performance art for direct action, reliable voting habits, office holding, etc.

Johnny2X2X

(24,281 posts)
14. Media ramming negativity down their throats mixed with the envy social media causes
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 10:57 AM
Mar 2024

There are real stressers for sure. But today's young people actually hae quite a bright future, if only the media would take break from gloom and doom for a moment. Record low crime rates. Record high small business starts. Record low unemployment. Student loans now being affordable after Biden's refinancing offers.

And social media creates a world that isn't real for them to try to live up to.

Johnny2X2X

(24,281 posts)
16. Absoutely a huge issue
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 11:09 AM
Mar 2024

Previous generations destroyed the planet, and chaos will result.

GuppyGal

(1,748 posts)
18. These 'kids' are spoiled. Every single person I know with children has handed them EVERYTHING. nt
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 11:16 AM
Mar 2024

Nanjeanne

(6,599 posts)
20. Who can blame them? They face a Mad Max world - climate change destruction; rising health insurance costs (not care);
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 11:22 AM
Mar 2024

unaffordable houses; rental market unattainable; food insecurity; dollar buys next to nothing now. It's bleak.

According to CPI Inflation Calculator:

$100 in 2023 is equivalent in purchasing power to about $7.91 in 1950, an increase of $-92.09 over 73 years. The dollar had an average inflation rate of 3.54% per year between 1950 and 2023, producing a cumulative price increase of -92.09%.

This means that prices in 1950 are 92.09% lower than average prices since 2023, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics consumer price index.

The inflation rate in 1950 was 1.26%. The inflation rate in 2023 was 4.12%. The 2023 inflation rate is higher compared to the average inflation rate of 1.85% per year between 2023 and 2024.


https://www.officialdata.org/2023-dollars-in-1950]

The median home price in the United States in 1950 was $7,354, a stark contrast to the median price of $431,000 in 2023 (Source: U.S. Census Bureau). This significant difference, even when adjusted for inflation, translates to a 2023 median price of around $89,300 for a 1950s home.

limbicnuminousity

(1,416 posts)
21. Agreed.
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 11:37 AM
Mar 2024

AI is coming for their jobs, LBGTQ+ lives are under constant threat, women aren't safe, the government is incapable of doing a damned thing about mass shootings, politicians and media outlets routinely debate whether terms like "bloodbath" really mean anything at all, Elon Musk openly praises Nazism but fulfills contracts with the US government, the Supreme Court is openly for sale, members of Congress profess faith in giant green space lasers, the CDC doesn't even bother pretending to serve a function anymore.

Johnny2X2X

(24,281 posts)
22. Inflation spiked for a couple years
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 11:46 AM
Mar 2024

But had been historically low for decades. 1% or less for many years. Comparing the 50s to the 2020s isn't really fair. Compare the 2020s to the 200s or 2010s. People are finally geting ahead a little now as wages have increased more than inflation over the last 5 years. Interest rates are temporarily high (actually normal) right now too. And despite higher rates right now, home ownership rates are higher now than 5 years ago. They're also well above what they were in the 1950s.

But someone pointed out the elephant in the room, Climate Change. Climate Change is already ausing chaos with immigration that's only going to get worse. And I fear that chaos will be all the opportunity for far right dictators tyo take control in many countires.

JT45242

(4,052 posts)
28. Could it be that in 2017 a semi-literate, racist, conman was elected over a qualified woman
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 01:19 PM
Mar 2024

Beyond social media, put it in context...

McTurtle stole a SCOTUS appointment from the most respected person for their generation.

The 2016 election showed 50% of young people that they straight up do not matter -- a qualified woman has no chance over a connected male.

The rise of Neo-nazis, white supremacists, etc starting early in TFG presidency that were supported by 'good people on both sides' comments.

A corrupt SCOTUS that took away abortion rights and signalled that they will take away more and more rights. Because citizens united was only the start.

Tax cuts only for the uber-rich while the cost of housing, college, etc. skyrocket. Only robber barons benefit.

No matter how many school shootings there is no real movement on gun control even though 90% of people support common sense laws (see the robber barons again).

Covid and the mishandling and greed.

It's not social media -- it may be a contributor but the real primary source are macroforces stemming from people like the Kochs, Federalist Society, etc.



walkingman

(10,934 posts)
29. As the largest voting block in America, it is time to stop feeling sad and VOTE -
Wed Mar 20, 2024, 01:55 PM
Mar 2024

they can literally change the US and the world. And it would be a welcome change.

Fight the Power!!

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