Four suspects arrested after at least 93 killed in Moscow concert attack, Russia says

[muriel_volestrangler]

At least 93 people are dead and more than 140 have been wounded after gunmen open fired at a rock concert at Crocus City Hall in a suburb of Moscow on Friday evening local time, Russian intelligence says

Four people directly involved in the attack are among 11 arrested, Russia's security chief has told President Vladimir Putin this morning

The US says it's credible that an affiliate of the Islamic State group could be behind the attack, after the group said they carried out the attack.

The White House also says it warned Russia of a potential attack on "large gatherings" in Moscow earlier this month. Russia has not commented

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The BBC Russian service is reporting some more detail on those in hospital after the attack. Citing Russia’s ministry of health it reports that 16 people including one child are in an “extremely serious” condition, and that 44 other people including two children are in a “serious” condition.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2024/mar/23/moscow-concert-attack-crocus-city-hall-shooting-russia-live-updates?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-65fe9e9f8f08ed13c27ca92f#block-65fe9e9f8f08ed13c27ca92f

[bucolic_frolic]

1. "The White House also says it warned Russia "

Good. At least the two governments are still communicating on some level.

[ck4829]

3. Is it really communicating if Russia is not listening though? How many people died because the Kremlin ignored us?

[bucolic_frolic]

5. You got a point there. /nt

[Conjuay]

10. How many people died

Because george w dumbfucker ignored HIS OWN country's intelligence?
I think Russia gets a pass- be it their pride or suspicion of us

[Xolodno]

21. They warned us directly, by name, of the two Boston Marathon bombers.

And it was ignored by our intelligence services. What's not being reported, they thwarted an attack on a synagogue and assumed that was the attack planned, they didn't know more were in the works.

[ck4829]

22. Not really

The Russian government withheld intelligence from the US on one of the Boston Marathon bomb suspects that may have led to further scrutiny before last year's attack, US media report.

In 2011 Russian officials warned the FBI about ethnic Chechen Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was a US resident.

But Russia declined requests for more information on him, the reports say.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-26975845

I don't remember us publicly dismissing any warning.

Time to face facts, Putin and the Kremlin helped kill all those people. And nothing anyone will say will change that.

[ck4829]

30. "Russian government withheld intelligence" "Declined requests for more information", not quite the heroes here

[ck4829]

31. Hours before ISIS attacked, Putin added the "LGBT movement" to an official list of "terrorists and extremists"

https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18804734

Our warning was really put to use, wasn't it?

They didn't thwart a thing.

[Xolodno]

33. Well, you certainly got triggered.

I saw your first comment and decided not to even dignify it with a response. But you now have commented twice and responded to one of your own comments. And this last one has absolutely nothing to do with the subject matter. Nothing else for me to say.

[ck4829]

34. "decided not to even dignify it with a response", because you didn't want to respond to this, right?

The Russian government withheld intelligence from the US on one of the Boston Marathon bomb suspects that may have led to further scrutiny before last year's attack, US media report.

In 2011 Russian officials warned the FBI about ethnic Chechen Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was a US resident.

But Russia declined requests for more information on him, the reports say.

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I'm sorry I'm "triggered", I guess I'm a horrible person who thinks Putin maybe should have spent a little less time demonizing Ukrainians and gay people and focusing on ISIS, yeah?

By the way, this is what's known as "tone policing", you come at me HOW I'm typing it because you can't respond to the three paragraphs I start this post with.

[Xolodno]

35. I just came back getting ice cream for my wife and myself.

Now, I'm going to open a bottle of wine and work on restoring my late father's model railroad. Oh, and you should probably switch to decaf.

[ck4829]

36. "Last one has absolutely nothing to do with the subject matter", I'm sorry, what?

We warned Russia and hours before the attack happened, Putin decided to demonize gay people, adding the "LGBT movement" to "extremists and terrorists".

Did this save anybody? Nope.

I'm pretty sure gay people weren't behind the attack that happened.

Go ahead and call me "triggered" if you want, but the fact is that there would be a lot less blood on Putin's hands if he wasn't so intent on attacking his own citizens because of their sexual orientations and rejecting our warnings.

[TheProle]

16. We maintain our embassy in Moscow.

This notion that the US doesn’t have diplomatic relations with Russia is silly.

[Bucky]

2. The fact that they're arrested is suspicious

If they're the monsters who carried this out, they should've been shot on site.

[muriel_volestrangler]

4. Well, perhaps Russian police aren't the indiscriminate killers you seem to think they are

They perhaps still have the idea of "a suspect" - when there is some evidence these were the killers, but they can't be certain. And they can't just go around killing everyone they have some reasons to suspect, until they've finally pilled up enough bodies that they think amongst them are the actual killers.

[Mountainguy]

11. Yeah the FSB and russia in general

Is well known for their restraint and ideals of fairness.

Come on. Does anybody buy that 4 people who just walked into a concert, shot hundreds of people at point blank and set the building on fire with thousands still inside would just give up and talk on camera at the first chance? Or that they would do that and take the risk for the $5,000 they claimed to have been paid?

These guys are either plants or the entire op was FSB from the jump.

[617Blue]

14. Agree - they would have killed themselves if they were Isis right?

[Mountainguy]

17. Theyd have tried to kill

As many of them as possible before dying.

Nobody would have just killed 100 people and given up to the mercy of the Russian justice system.

[muriel_volestrangler]

15. Actually, they and their predecessors *are* famous for arresting people

because that way, they get to have show trials, whether or nor those are fair. The idea that "if they really thought these guys did it, they'd have shot them on the spot" doesn't make sense.

[Mountainguy]

24. They were famous for

arresting people that didn't actually do anything and beating confessions out of them.

It's just very suspicious to me that the kind of people who are willing to walk into a place and massacre hundreds of people are also willing to be captured.

And fleeing toward Ukraine? A border that's saturated with Russian Troops and probably one of the hardest to cross in the world? And trying to do so in the same car that you fled the scene in?

[Mosby]

25. They cut off the ear of one suspect and forced him to eat it.

https://meduza.io/en/news/2024/03/23/video-circulates-showing-russian-security-agent-cutting-off-the-ear-of-an-apprehended-terrorist-suspect-and-forcing-him-to-eat-it

[DoBW]

28. not buying it

Suspects over there are a ruble a dozen, whenever needed. Ask Navalny, oh wait, he was snuffed out

[BannonsLiver]

20. Yes, I'm sure the Russian popo is above board.

[Celerity]

6. good thing you are not involved in intel gathering

If they're the monsters who carried this out, they should've been shot on site.

[Dorian Gray]

27. Right!

I'm sure they want to try to figure out WHO did this in order to combat it in the future.

I know people want to say FSB or CIA or Mossad, depending on what conspiracy tribe you belong to, but the reality is that any law enforcement personnel would want to capture some of these guys alive to figure out who they are and why they're doing this (so they can prevent future attacks).

[Voltaire2]

8. Huh?

You actually believe that the police should just execute people they suspect are responsible for a serious crime?

[DoBW]

29. It's convienient for Putin

After Navalny, after a fake election, more war opposition. Hell, it might even come out later that it was his plan all along: an attack at home, manifest fear/ display law and order -- order out of chaos etc. ..

[womanofthehills]

9. They are being interrogated on social media in front of cameras

One claiming he was given a huge amt of money thru Telegram. They can’t stop shaking.

[Mountainguy]

12. $5,000

Not a huge amount.

I dont buy their story, or the Russians spin, at all.

[0rganism]

19. Whoever they detained, Putin's police will make them sing a little song about Ukraine

Putin's not going to let this opportunity slide

[RubyRose]

23. I don't think a quick death is what is planned for them.

[muriel_volestrangler]

7. Death toll rises to 115

The death toll from last night's attack on Crocus City Hall has now risen to 115, the Russian Investigative Committee says.

According to a post on the Telegram messaging app that the committee shared, emergency services who are clearing the rubble at the concert venue have found more dead bodies at the site.

"The death toll currently stands at 115 people," it has said, adding that the search is continuing.

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[617Blue]

13. I don't believe a frigging thing coming out of Russia *

[DoBW]

32. Sane position

If it quacks & lies like a Russian duck, it's a Russian duck

[moondust]

18. "large gatherings"

Doubt there were too many PLANNED "large gatherings" in the Moscow area around the time of the Crocus concert. Still winter in Moscow. Crocus City Hall is also a shopping mall so an obvious site of "large gatherings." As such it should have logically been at the top of the list of sites the FSB needed to protect after receiving the U.S. warning. The fact that they didn't suggests they did nothing at all. Seems a little suspicious.

[keithbvadu2]

26. Maybe the four will commit suicide while in custody like Navalny and Epstein.