James Carville puts foot in mouth, AOC with a good retort

[True Dough]

The Hill
@thehill
Democratic strategist James Carville: "Too many preachy females’ are ‘dominating the culture of the Democratic Party"

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
@AOC
Maybe he should start a podcast about it. I hear men are really underrepresented in that space

Link to tweet

[agingdem]

1. How is it dinosaurs like Carville, Newt, Rove etc.

refuse to stay buried?...

[Groundhawg]

27. Carville has done a ton for our cause, and should be respected for his service.

[agingdem]

28. I respect him but recently he went on

a Biden is too old/replace Biden rant..that was my STFU moment

[Mr. Mustard 2023]

52. Carville also ranted how...

..."he had to earn his health insurance, so everyone should earn health insurance". I could not believe it.

The guy got lucky with Clinton, and ever since I rarely agree with him. He's not for working people, he pretends to be.

[No Vested Interest]

66. Could his problem be Mary Matalin's influence on his life?

[calimary]

90. Could certainly be. They've been a political odd couple for years.

[LiberalFighter]

29. What has he done recently?

[Groundhawg]

30. doesn't matter. he was integral to Bill Clinton,

and has remained pro democrat, anti republican all along. Solid democrat.

[whathehell]

32. It doesn't give him a pass to go sexist..

That would NOT be a "pro- democrat" move.

[Groundhawg]

34. how has he gone sexist?

[MerryBlooms]

39. "Too many preachy females..." Not a big enough clue for you?

Which preachy females in our party are too yappy for you and Carville? You agree with him, so let's hear the list! I have to work tomorrow, leave my house at 9, so I'll check DU off and on until 8 tonight. Hit it, Otis!

[Groundhawg]

69. He's wrong of course, but that isn't sexist. Get out your dictionary.

[MerryBlooms]

73. I'm not the one who needs a dictionary. You might also look up when to stop digging.

[H2O Man]

41. Read the OP.

[wryter2000]

63. You don't see that as sexist?

You need to clean your glasses, for sure.

[whathehell]

67. Did you read the OP?

His sexism lies in his complaint about the number of "preachy females supposedly "dominating the party"
He apparently has no problem with preachy males "dominating" the party.

[LiberalFighter]

35. Regardless. He is out of touch.

[Groundhawg]

36. possibly, how has he gone sexist?

[Celerity]

45. Democratic strategist James Carville argued "too many preachy females" in the Democratic Party could be to blame for

President Biden’s bleeding support from key voters. In an interview published Saturday with New York Times opinion columnist Maureen Dowd, Carville voiced concerns about the culture of the Democratic Party and how it could be impacting Biden’s support among voters, especially those that are male.

“A suspicion of mine is that there are too many preachy females … ‘Don’t drink beer, don’t watch football, don’t eat hamburgers, this is not good for you,'” he said. “The message is too feminine: ‘Everything you’re doing is destroying the planet. You’ve got to eat your peas.'” Carville, who was a strategist for former President Clinton’s 1992 presidential campaign, argued this culture and rhetoric is not addressing the concerns of male voters.

“If you listen to Democratic elites — NPR is my go-to place for that — the whole talk is about how women, and women of color, are going to decide this election. I’m like: ‘Well, 48 percent of the people that vote are males. Do you mind if they have some consideration?” Carville said.

When it comes to Biden’s low approval ratings, Carville quipped, “When I look at these polling numbers, it’s like walking in on your grandma naked. You can’t get the image out of your mind.”

snip

[GoreWon2000]

86. Anti-dems Maureen Dowd strikes again and Carville wrongly takes the bait!

N.Y. Times columnist Maureen Dowd has a very long history of waging false attacks against democrats. Dowd was one of the ring leaders of the media's war against Al Gore in 2000 that's well documented in the archives at the Daily Howler which can be found at www.dailyhowler.com. Carville wrongly took Dowd's bait. He really should know better. I wonder if "preachy females" is how Carville thinks of his own 2 daughters or is how he would want them treated by some sexist old guy?

[niyad]

46. You might try reading the OP, and post 39, and post 41. Spelled out

very clearly.

[MontanaMama]

55. Did you read the OP?

It was sexist. Carville should either clarify, apologize or both. He may have helped Clinton back in the day but from what I’ve seen and heard from him recently is often out of touch and borderline ridiculous.

[calimary]

64. HELL YEAH!

He absolutely MUST apologize, and then step back and maybe take some time off. We’ve got more than enough contrary talking heads yapping THEIR pointy little heads off.

[MontanaMama]

70. Amen sister.

[LiberalFighter]

76. I would replace the word "some" with a different word.

[calimary]

85. Try this new and improved version. NOT asking nicely. Instead, much more forceful and emphatic. Maybe with elbows.

4. HELL YEAH!
Monday
He absolutely MUST apologize, and then step back and DEFINITELY take time off. Or better yet, stop ENTIRELY, AND PERMANENTLY!!! We’ve got more than enough contrary talking heads yapping THEIR pointy little heads without him!

[Upthevibe]

59. Groundhawg..........

I'm thinking the part where he says, ""Too many preachy females’ are ‘dominating the culture of the Democratic Party"............ WTF?

[Sky Jewels]

61. People answered your question, and yet you continued to play ignorant

about why people are calling him sexist and misogynistic.

Why is that, I wonder?

[MerryBlooms]

74. Rec. We're gettin played with this one.

[Rebl2]

38. Nothing

Except flap his gums.

[Sky Jewels]

56. He needs to STFU for good and slither back into his hole.

Oh dear me, did I sound disrespectful and like a preachy female?!

[LiberalFighter]

78. Don't you have to consider yourself better than anyone else first to be preachy?

[wryter2000]

60. Well, he can apologize for this

Unless "service" means demeaning women.

[Gore1FL]

81. He also was on Team: "Let's Get Howard Dean out of the DNC"

As, apparently, the Democratic Party under Howard Dean was too successful in 2006 and 2008.

[Voltaire2]

2. He's still married to Mary Matalin. AFAIC they are both lizard people masquerading as humans.

But I may have been watching too much resident alien.

[getagrip_already]

13. I thought they divorced? Nt

[dchill]

50. Nope. Still married...

She became a registered Libertarian in 2016.

[LiberalFighter]

80. Does sort of look like a lizard.

[Silent Type]

3. Usually like Carville, but that's a stupid comment.

[Srkdqltr]

4. OMG. That is the funniest thing today. Takes one to know one.

He is the preachest of them all.

[House of Roberts]

5. Are they too 'preachy' or maybe just too 'uppity'?

Geez, you’d think Carville would have learned to stop listening to his GOP wife by now.

[Rebl2]

8. Hey Carville

you should just shut the F up.

[Boomerproud]

6. What has he produced except hot air in decades.

Not an AOC worshipper but nothing but net on the response.

[Mr.Bill]

7. To me, these days Carville is entertainment.

Anything beyond that is over-thinking things.

His moment in political history was over 30 years ago. Give him credit for still being entertaining. You couln't say that about Newt Gingrich.

[Rebl2]

10. Entertainment I

could do without.

[Mr.Bill]

11. And I don't exactly seek him out.

[Baitball Blogger]

9. Carville's brain is imploding inside that small skull of his.

[Warpy]

12. Yes, maybe losing out right to life saving healthcare isn't that big a deal

Maybe being treated like cows will be pleasant for us.

Go away, Carville, you're drunk.

[Trueblue1968]

14. Often times i have heard carville badmouthing. President Biden. What is wrong with him ????

[cab67]

21. The world moved on without him.

Triangulation and pandering to the right made some sense in the politics of the 1990's - memories of Reagan were still fresh, and there was hope that the toddlers that had taken control of the House could be spoken to like adults.

We don't live in that world anymore. Gingrich and his co-conspirators were reluctant to compromise, but red-hatters are a whole 'nother level of bubble dweller. I don't think Carville completely gets that.

[AverageOldGuy]

15. He has been . . .

. . . out in the swamp too long, drinking that ol' pop-skull homebrew. That stuff will rot your brains.

[VicNEO]

16. Old Man shaking fist at "uppity women"

I’m gonna be 57. I worked at a restaurant/bar connected to the Rife Center in downtown Columbus-circa 1993/1994. The R operatives were all wearing the Rush sponsored backwards Clinton watches.. I’d go toe to toe with some legislators and lobbyists at the time. I always conceded that Carville (and wife) were paid operatives and did NOT reflect the D ( her case R) electorate at the time. Nothing changes. And Ari Melber better slow JC’s tv time. This older - now suburban- CLE white F voter is over the “old school” wink-wink games.

[calimary]

20. Welcome to DU, VicNEO!

This "uppity woman" says a big HELLO!!! I'm OVER that "old school" wink-wink shit, too.

[VicNEO]

23. Been here for awhile

I just don’t post but maybe once every two years. I don’t have much insight. But-Thanks!
-Vicci

[MontanaMama]

17. James Carville regularly steps in it.

Ari has him on all this time. That’s when I turn the channel.

[cab67]

18. He was relevant in a different time.

We can trace the roots of our current crisis to the political climate of the 80's and 90's, but the campaigns he'd have advised back then just don't happen anymore.

That, and this was an incredibly stupid thing to say.

[calimary]

19. Those "preachy females" are why the Democratic party succeeds, Carville, you ASS.

Whaddya want? A time machine back to the days when women were supposedly seen and not heard? Maybe it's time he took up residence in Senility Central.

[GoreWon2000]

87. Women have bailed out the dems for decades and got nothing for their efforts

For decades and thanks to the gender gap, women have been bailing out the dems and have gotten nothing for their efforts. For too long the dem party and Congressional leadership have paid lip service to women's issues and voting rights and then run like scarred rabbits when they actually have to defend these important rights. There's no better example than Florida 2000. A post election analysis by the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights found that most of the uncounted Florida votes were the votes of low income, African American women. I'll always remember then DNC chair Ed Rendell publicly urging Al Gore to end his fight to have the uncounted Florida votes counted while Senate dems hid in their cushy, ivory Washington towers rather than defend we the people's right to vote. I guess the voters needed to have the ability to right big campaign contribution checks in order to get their right to vote defended. The failure of Senate dems to act in 2000 is why our country suffers so terribly today with the threat of tRump today and women now no longer having the right to control their own bodies.

[betsuni]

22. So not my imagination. Podcasts seem to be mostly guys yammering on for a long time about things.

[BaronChocula]

24. So Carville's message to Democratic women

Be more like Bernie Sanders, or Maxwell Frost, or Jared Moskowitz. Only speak about what you stand for if you have a penis.

[Dear_Prudence]

25. Martha Mitchell

Nixon's henchman didn't like preachy women either. In 1972, Martha Mitchell, wife to then attorney general John Mitchell, was kidnapped, brutalized when she attempted an escape, and then drugged to keep her from spilling the beans about Watergate to the press. Gee, I don't know why Carville's attitude triggered that memory.

[niyad]

48. What she endured was horrible.

[tanyev]

26. Man married to Mary Matalin is whining about "preachy females"?

[Layzeebeaver]

31. Former smart guy, now idiot, trying to stay relevant.

[ShazzieB]

33. He didn't just put his foot in his mouth.

He shoved it halfway down his throat!

[wryter2000]

62. Not exactly

It's what I'd like to do to him. (Figuratively, of course.)

[rpannier]

37. In a couple of days he'll come on to say how he was misunderstood

and he's the real victim of all this

[a kennedy]

40. Oh yah, he sure stunk up the place with that stupid statement.

🤬 🤬 🤬

[Gidney N Cloyd]

42. Trouble at home, James?

[LudwigPastorius]

43. Go home, E.T..

You’re drunk.

[H2O Man]

44. Recommended.

I've always considered him an obnoxious asshole. In my opinion, Bill Clinton could have been elected and re-elected without him. Vlinton was an intensely talented candidate, with other good people around him.

[Cha]

47. Well that was a Stupid missogynist thing to say. We have Kamela

Harris as VP and so many great Dem Senators and Congress Women Reps.. Jasmine Crockett come to mind! :

[niyad]

49. Hey, jc, how about a nice session of self-pleasuring? Maybe with a loofah?

[Prairie_Seagull]

82. Loofah, snort snort. nt

[PurgedVoter]

51. I respected him, I bought and read his book, but lost all faith in him years ago.

Carville has been telling us to be Republican light, ever since he turned beltway pundit, married the Republican strategist, Mary Matlin and became a living legacy of the DLC. He serves a purpose. Like Rohm Emanuel, he reminds us that we have to remain compassionate and continue evolving. He pretends to speak for Democrats, but honestly whoever he really speaks for has some serious issues.

[Paladin]

53. Go back to bed with Maureen Dowd, Carville.

Democrats have lost all use and admiration for you. Jerk.

[ecstatic]

54. wow. ok. Did he elaborate

on what the "preachy females" are preaching about?

Which topics are getting on his nerves?

[Autumn]

57. "Too many preachy females' are 'dominating the culture of the Democratic Party"

Says an old fool past his expiration date. That's what comes from living with a nasty Republican woman.

[Upthevibe]

58. The guy gets on my nerves.....

Shout out to AOC!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She's the absolute best!!!!!!!!!!!

[intheflow]

65. This is the perfect illustration of why I hate James Carville.

The older he gets, the more good-ol'-boy he gets. Married a Republican. Hasn't had a successful presidential campaign since the 1990s. He's past his due date and I cringe everytime I read on DU that "Carville nails it!" I usually just try to ignore them, but I was heartened to read this headline. I'm glad others in the party are catching on that he's really not all that any more.

[solara]

68. Carville inserts foot

and chews vigorously. Poor deluded guy.. He can't stomach the idea that most men are 100s of years past their due date. Patriarchs are over, mostly because they just don't get it, and haven't in years.

Strength isn't about the size of one's penis or even the fact that someone has one.


🫤

[struggle4progress]

71. I just luv me some AOC

[walkingman]

77. Same here - to me she is everything I expect from a politician.

[oasis]

72. "Our diversity is our strength

our unity is our power"---Nancy Pelosi.
Preach on sister.

[LiberalFighter]

75. Just watched Tuesday nite's Stephen Colbert's show with his monologue....

Another reason not to listen to Carville. Sure he helped get Clinton elected.

But that was over 20 years ago. He doesn't help the Democratic Party anymore. As some say and I agree. He is a dinosaur. What worked back then doesn't work now.

[LiberalFighter]

79. Preachy females? Isn't he the one being preachy?

[True Dough]

83. I think

there's a strong case to be made in this instance!

[SupportSanity]

84. You win if you get them to attack each other.....

Dictator’s handbook page 24

So don’t play into their hands.

I keep seeing on DU a lot of people not wanting to continue reading the New York Times anymore. They say NYT has changed, so keep that in mind.

I just read the NYT interview again.

James was talking about what he sees as the typical democrat male viewpoint. He was talking from that perspective. Not necessarily from his personal viewpoint, but some general male democrat viewpoint.

James is brusque, crude, he curses…
Sometimes that gets in the way of his real point.

Opinion from the new guy. Thanks

[GoreWon2000]

88. N.Y. Times was a ring leader in the media's war against Al Gore in 2000

You need to understand that the N.Y. Times was a ring leader along with the Washington Post in the media's war against Al Gore in 2000 with Maureen Dowd being a critical member of the Times attack squad. The archives at the Daily Howler provides the only written record of the media's war against Al Gore in 2000 while at the same time they praised and drooled over Bushthief. You can find the Daily Howler archives at www.dailyhowler.com. I haven't bought the N.Y. Times or the Washington Post since 2000 because of what they did to Al Gore and ultimately our country and I never will. The media's coverage of the 2000 Presidential election was the worst in my lifetime and our country is now paying a terrible price for it.

[SupportSanity]

89. Yes. I stopped reading the NYT. Also am about to stop reading the Washington Post.

So, what's left to read?

[GoreWon2000]

91. Washington Post and NY Times were ringleaders in meida's war against Gore in 2000

I haven't bought a copy of the Washington Post either since 2000.