America: an exporter of democracy? Please, name 1 nation that uses a political system like the US, form and function.

[Marcus IM]

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Pretty much all other democratic nations use parliamentary systems.

What other nations have a bicameral system, the filibuster and electoral college, and a private/corporate campaign funding system - with foreign dark money heavily involved legally?

[MOMFUDSKI]

1. Citizens United

was our doom.

[Marcus IM]

3. Private and corporate funding is our doom. Citizens United was the coup de gras.

But, we still hear our politicians bray on about the greatest nation on earth, greatest democracy, exporter and defender of democracy.
How does a nation fix this when it believes that nothing is wrong, or that the "fix" is to return to the US's pre-democracy phase (some 189 years)?
Makes no sense.

[usonian]

2. Liberia?

Similar though unitary

States don't have any say, unlike the US.

Given our current reversion by the USSC, "states rights" are turning out to be horribly divisive, as if we had free and non-free states.

(for women and POC))


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberia

[BlueTsunami2018]

4. The Philippines' system is directly based on ours.

There are a few variables of course but in general they have the same things we do. The three branches, the bicameral legislature, the Supreme Court.

They’re directly based on us.

Perhaps not the best endorsement.

[Marcus IM]

7. Oh, yes. Forgot about that one. The US forced their system upon their conquests after the Spanish American wars.

Agree. Not the best endorsement.

[Marcus IM]

5. Cuba did. Until 1976 when they changed to a parliamentary system.

Cuba's authoritarian system before the 1959 Revolution was modeled after the US after the Spanish/American war after the US Congress passed the Teller Amendment which prevented US annexation of Cuba.

A new constitution was ratified after a public referendum in 1976, and Cuba's Parliamentary elections were undertaken.

[Diraven]

6. The Philippines

They are pretty close. Don't know about dark money though.

[JohnSJ]

8. We try to be an exporter of Democratic Values

[Marcus IM]

11. Certainly not by setting an example. n/t

[JohnSJ]

12. That has never been the objective, and the aftermath of WWII is an example of that with the Marshal Plan

[Marcus IM]

13. And with the US's Monroe Doctrine before that - and still going on.

[NanaCat]

15. And fail far more often than not

The US has a very long history of destabilizing democratically elected governments and supporting oppressive regimes.

[Judi Lynn]

9. We can only look down on those not like us, and work without ceasing to overthrow them.

The traditional way, I believe, is to bribe their politicians to throw open the countries to US corporations, extend tax-free status to them to move in, and help them set up paramilitaries to terrorize the still-illiterate, malnourished, desperately poor workers enough they won't dare to strike for humane working conditions.

At one time we called the desperate people struggling "commies", then we started calling them "drug dealers", and now it's just fine to call them "gang members".

Lock them all up, throw away the keys, hasta la bye bye.












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[malaise]

19. It is so effed up

You can’t love democracy while overthrowing foreign governments.
Eventually the chickens come home to roost.

[sanatanadharma]

10. Uruguay: Senators, representivives, president, supreme court, departments (states), governors, constitution

When Uruguay began, the French and American revolutions and constitutions influenced the constitutional formation of the Republic Oriental del Uruguay. So too did the English and Portuguese and Argentinian powers of the time.

I don't know about money in political financing here. A rich but secretive businessman with a Russian wife and no political background vied in 2019 for the presidency. Of him there is asceticism. 2024 is election year here.

There are many parties and the current rightist government is a coalition as was the previous leftist Frente Amplio.
Each government lasts five years and the President can do two terms, but not consecutively. The 15 years of Frente Amplio Presidents were Vazquez, Mujica, Vazquez again.

The current Blanco government is running on the issue of 'inseguridad' today. They say the violence now was seeded by the FA back then. The voters want their streets and neighborhoods free of guns and the fear, robbery, theft, and murder that the guns bring. Oh, and we are all tired of gang shoot-outs in our front yards (so to speak).

Uruguay is a democracy that mandates that citizens vote (not how they vote). Those who have not voted (for reasons) have to justify those reasons (sick, dead, out of country, in coma) later to the electoral court.

[Marcus IM]

14. TY for the description.

[dalton99a]

16. Not to mention the filibuster and electoral college

We have a fucked up, anachronistic system

[Marcus IM]

17. Indeed. I updated that into the OP. TY.

[malaise]

18. Sure needs reforms

This is 1920s corruption at all levels

[Marcus IM]

20. If spreading democracy was the goal, it has failed. The "experiment" even endangered here at home.

Gen Smedley Butler described it best.

Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933, by Major General Smedley Butler, USMC.

There isn't a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its "finger men" to point out enemies, its "muscle men" to destroy enemies, its "brain men" to plan war preparations, and a "Big Boss" Super-Nationalistic-Capitalism.

It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me too. I spent thirty- three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle- man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912 (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

https://man.fas.org/smedley.htm

[prodigitalson]

21. Mexico is the closest but there are some others in the Western Hemisphere

As per Chat GPT

Several countries have a system of democracy based on the US system, often referred to as a presidential system, where the executive branch is separate from the legislative branch. Some examples include:

United States: The original model for this system, where the President is the head of state and government, elected separately from the legislature.

Brazil: Brazil has a presidential system where the President is both head of state and head of government.

Mexico: Mexico also has a presidential system with a President serving as both head of state and head of government.

Argentina: Argentina's system is based on the US model, with a President serving as both head of state and head of government.

Indonesia: Indonesia has a presidential system where the President is both head of state and head of government.

Philippines: The Philippines has a presidential system where the President is both head of state and head of government.

Venezuela: Venezuela has a presidential system where the President is both head of state and head of government.

Colombia: Colombia has a presidential system where the President is both head of state and head of government.

These countries have variations in their systems, but they all have a separation of powers between the executive and legislative branches, similar to the US system.


Nobody does our stupid Electoral College nonsense where every so often the loser actually wins.