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Safia Arefi, a lawyer and head of the Afghan human rights organisation Womens Window of Hope, said the announcement had condemned Afghan women to return to the darkest days of Taliban rule in the 1990s.
With this announcement by the Taliban leader, a new chapter of private punishments has begun and Afghan women are experiencing the depths of loneliness, Arefi said.
Now, no one is standing beside them to save them from Taliban punishments. The international community has chosen to remain silent in the face of these violations of womens rights.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/mar/28/taliban-edict-to-resume-stoning-women-to-death-met-with-horror
Turbineguy
(37,372 posts)Midnight Writer
(21,803 posts)What the Taliban does today, the Republicans will do tomorrow.
If we let them.
Joinfortmill
(14,467 posts)Coventina
(27,172 posts)This is about MEN hating WOMEN.
ancianita
(36,137 posts)CrispyQ
(36,527 posts)They even co-opted the birth process and crafted woman from one of man's ribs.
ancianita
(36,137 posts)Last edited Fri Mar 29, 2024, 07:58 AM - Edit history (1)
tell our US military's chaplains, 41% of current scientists, 2.3 billion humans; tell it to all the past most famous architects, artists, musicians/choir singers, philosophers, or other creators of Western law and culture who just fell for that god consciousness hoax across continents for thousands of years; tell it to those whose creativity were, and continue to be, inspired by nothing but manmade crap over thousands of years.
Maybe our Christian presidents can explain the bases of their belief better than I can; still, I suppose I can take a stab at it. Because glib proclamations of "there is no god, man just made that shit up" doesn't work for this former atheist anymore. tl;dr
Patriarchy was established by force long before any god consciousness organized societies.
Patriarchy was founded on the now irrational predator/prey jungle ethic of "might makes right" -- in "Man's" (collective gender pronoun being used here for convenience) original image of himself as survivor.
Females had a different outlook on surviving -- "fight or flight" -- but to males, surviving meant females had to submit to male will or suffer and die. That "inner depravity," as John Calvin called it. Founders of strains of Christianity have always known that females have always had a hand in creating "civil" izing systems in spite of male survival ethics. ("Husbands love your wives" rules in the big hoax Bible)
To "civil" ize humans was to revalue human life. Projecting only the male view of human worth -- predator/prey, kill or be killed, fuck or be fucked, win-lose -- has been the downfall of systems that came before rational monotheistic belief systems. Which the Hebrews have been historically credited with fighting for and winning human hearts and minds with. The patriarchy-infected systems still lingered in Christianity, Law, and institutions that spun off from those core foundations. Now there's equality of life, rule of law, bar associations, professional institutions, civilian run militaries, separation of church and state.
It's just that the inner depravities of patriarchy still infect them. Which include calling divinities male only; which include spiritual, economic, social inequality through concepts like "headship" and "submission" in christianity and islam. I should have said that patriarchy is the bane of the planet. Believers are still the best of civilizing forces that create peaceful, just, verdant futures for humanity.
The patriarchy virus will be killed when both males and females kill it.
Moreover, the thing about ordering society in history "in man's image" has been tried all over the world; it's been cause of much suffering and cost to societies ordered for males only.
In the Western part of the world, those who originally set up societies by "commandments," "Law," "statutes," "judges," "testimony," "rules of evidence," "enforcement" "record keeping" "education," etc., -- they all who developed conscience and evolved just went through all that trouble for at least 4,000 years, across continents, who didn't know each other when they set those practices and principle to writing -- they were just making up where they got it from, right? Along with their peace and justice concepts, like humility, making amends to one another, kindness, love, forgiveness, sharing, charitable works to the stranger, orphans, science to alleviate suffering, patience, perseverance, justice?
Okay, then. Then let's move on to what, secular humanist laws? Where would they possibly be coming from? Is humanity going to make up all new stuff to create a new global, national, local order?
In all non-religious societies today, patriarchy's "might makes right"/"inner depravity" infection still lives on like a virus. Yes, females get infected by it, too. Nothing better than what the West has painstakingly created has been created by humans, no matter how many prehistoric societies we find buried.
The end of religion and all the culture and law it produced, still won't end the infection of patriarchy that existed before religion.
The only thing that immunizes humans from the patriarchy virus is democracy, equality and protection by rule of law, and the separation of church and state.
Those things are biblical, no-hoax concepts and the cure for the patriarchy virus.
But I do go on, and could go on, but more coffee's calling......
MuseRider
(34,125 posts)I was just now peeking in and getting ready to say something like that but how you said it is much better. Thank you.
Excellent post.
PS. I've not seen an individual post gather 20 recs since the new system. Well done.
Coventina
(27,172 posts)This was 100% going to happen once the Taliban were given (back) Afghanistan
Nictuku
(3,617 posts)no words
Coventina
(27,172 posts)This is GENDER BASED HATRED.
This isn't about humanity as much as it is about MEN.
slightlv
(2,841 posts)I also agree given time, our own home grown xtianist religious extremists will do it to us. Men in the US are every bit as afraid of and hostile to women as these Taliban. In fact if they could get away with it right now, they'd strip us of all our human rights. Like the insurrection, it's a slow moving coup against us... slow until it hits that pivotal point where everything is lost all at once. Just as with these women, many of us have tried for years to raise the slarm... only to be given that old female slur of hysterical... and then they took away our bodily autonomy.
If there were a way to do it, I'd like to see men's levels of testosterone brought down. While it wouldn't change everything for the better, I can't help but think it would bring down the violence in the world by a measurable amount. Hmmm... since they stripped us of our reproductive rights, maybe we should demand this of men in order to live in a little more peaceful world. It might make it a bit safer for women at least... and men could begin thinking of something beyond sex and violence. Just my opinion... after 69 years, a bit of a jaded one, to be sure.
MuseRider
(34,125 posts)You are stating the exact truth.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,233 posts)spike jones
(1,688 posts)JI7
(89,275 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,233 posts)Been centuries since Christians or Jews carried out that punishment.
JI7
(89,275 posts)leftieNanner
(15,158 posts)Excellent novel about women in Afghanistan.
SouthernDem4ever
(6,617 posts)They should be a fringe group hiding out in a cave where they can't hurt normal people.
Hope22
(1,868 posts)one day they will demand to stone us too. Look at the pattern. Since Iraq this country has been a race to the bottom in terms of personal freedoms.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)Some years ago I watched a movie set in Iran called The Stoning of Soraya M.
My blood ran cold. I still have scenes from that depiction flash into my memory from time to time.
I hope there is an extra special circle in hell reserved for these monsters.
egduj
(806 posts)AllyCat
(16,228 posts)Completely weak and horrible.
Jimvanhise
(303 posts)On his way out the door in 2021 Trump ordered Afghanistan to release five thousand Taliban prisoners. That's who is running Afghanistan now.
JI7
(89,275 posts)and before we got involved in the country.
TSExile
(2,479 posts)This country spent 20 years fighting a war against religious extremism - and the Grand Old Patriarchy, ahem, Party of today would GLADLY stone women here. Don't think they wouldn't do it if they could.
SunSeeker
(51,726 posts)Warpy
(111,358 posts)These are the scumbags TFG made the deal with.
There is nothing we can do about this but welcome Afghan refugees.
grandpamike1
(193 posts)All religions, and I mean ALL religions, are the bane of Mankind.
riversedge
(70,310 posts)........Most recently, in February, the Taliban executed people in public at stadiums in Jawzjan and Ghazni provinces. The militant group has urged people to attend executions and punishments as a lesson but banned filming or photography.
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/mar/28/taliban-edict-to-resume-stoning-women-to-death-met-with-horror?CMP=share_btn_url
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,794 posts)Because they all have been stoned to death for some innocent indiscretion like showing a finger.