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brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
Thu Mar 28, 2024, 10:04 PM Mar 2024

I'd like to thank all the Gaza protesters...

…who apparently contributed $5-10,000 to the Biden-Harris campaign to buy tickets for the “Three Presidents” event so they could interrupt President Biden talking about Israel-Gaza to rant incoherently..

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I'd like to thank all the Gaza protesters... (Original Post) brooklynite Mar 2024 OP
Be interesting to see just where that money came from. Republican or Russian ratfucking attempt? Lancero Mar 2024 #1
Putin-loving, Uyghur-genocide-denying, maoist billionaire tech bro Neville Roy Singham lapucelle Mar 2024 #11
+1 dalton99a Mar 2024 #14
+1 betsuni Mar 2024 #15
Mahalo for the Receipts, Lapucelle! Cha Mar 2024 #70
Wow, that's the real story. "Anti-Biden" "anti-Israel" Nixie Mar 2024 #116
Always seems that there are a faction of people who cannot continence Democratic policy because it's not left enough, OAITW r.2.0 Mar 2024 #2
At the risk of being piled on... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #3
The Pro-Gaza protest movement is not part of the "intra-Party". brooklynite Mar 2024 #4
I do not know (and I doubt you do)... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #5
Left-leaning does not equale to pro-Democratic brooklynite Mar 2024 #6
You probably do know... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #7
We're never going to get the votes from those who like to shout others down. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2024 #8
Probably not a good strategy either. Think. Again. Mar 2024 #9
Not just about being seen SocialDemocrat61 Mar 2024 #10
But then, far left voices never supported Democrats meow2u3 Mar 2024 #18
That's an interesting take on things... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #20
Far left types are anti democratic. These shitty people support the Houthis that are starving their own people JI7 Mar 2024 #21
These folks are not "left". They're performative asshats who plopped their butts down lapucelle Mar 2024 #117
Strong DU Rec. yardwork Mar 2024 #13
At risk of H2O Man Mar 2024 #45
Pro-Yemen "protestors" support a right wing theocracy engaged in ethnic cleansing. lapucelle Mar 2024 #22
Interesting.... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #23
Netanyahu doesn't call to remove Muslims from Israel JI7 Mar 2024 #25
That's true, he has never spoken out loud about that. Think. Again. Mar 2024 #28
He has never done anything to force them out the way all the Muslim nations did with the Jews JI7 Mar 2024 #33
What are you talking about? There are 1,900,000 Palestinian citizens of Israel. lapucelle Mar 2024 #31
... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #35
So you concede that the protestors have nothing to do with a "left leaning mindset". lapucelle Mar 2024 #43
Wow, are you having 2 conversations at once? Think. Again. Mar 2024 #47
Sorry, that doesn't work on me. lapucelle Mar 2024 #61
Yeah, the "Deflection" isn't WORKING. Cha Mar 2024 #75
They have their own presidential candidate from the Party of Socialism and Liberation LeftInTX Mar 2024 #50
i didn't realize that those protesters were actually.... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #54
At Biden events? LeftInTX Mar 2024 #56
But you just said they were all from a different political party. Think. Again. Mar 2024 #58
They infiltrate Democratic party events too. They're sneaky. LeftInTX Mar 2024 #60
Well then they aren't really a threat to Biden... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #63
They are though. They get Democrats to turn against Biden. LeftInTX Mar 2024 #71
I guess the same argument could be made about republicans. Think. Again. Mar 2024 #74
That is a false statement. Voltaire2 Mar 2024 #112
Please feel free to suggest that to the anti-Biden protesters. yardwork Mar 2024 #12
I don't know or speak to any.... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #16
Wait...what? The anti-Biden, anti-Israel, pro-Yemen protestors are Democrats? lapucelle Mar 2024 #17
I don't know who else they protest... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #19
They also protest AOC. lapucelle Mar 2024 #27
I've seen plenty of AOC (and Progressives in general) smearing... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #29
Where? AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2024 #37
Here, on DU. Think. Again. Mar 2024 #40
Nope AZSkiffyGeek Mar 2024 #42
No one here has ever called AOC a "genocide booster". lapucelle Mar 2024 #38
Rec! Cha Mar 2024 #76
"I know a lot of people here on DU are against both the left the right" -- what does that mean? betsuni Mar 2024 #30
That I have read different posts from the same posters.... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #32
As this is a forum for supporters of the Democratic Party, any baseless accusations against betsuni Mar 2024 #111
Apparently, it doesn't pay as well... AmericanMan1958 Mar 2024 #104
These people don't want cooling lmao All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #24
I wasn't defending them.... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #26
These are not our friends. Your continued defending of them is weird. All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #34
How can I continue to defend them when I never started? Think. Again. Mar 2024 #36
Keep defending them. All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #39
I've never said anything critical about you either... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #41
If a post was specifically attacking me and you said what you said the exact same way? Yes. All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #44
I don't think you read, or understood, my post. Think. Again. Mar 2024 #48
I did. You don't think we should criticize those who attack Biden supporters on the streets. All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #51
My post didn't say that... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #57
There was nothing divisive about the OP's post. All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #85
I think you might be mixing up what the OP says and my posts say, with something else. Think. Again. Mar 2024 #86
Think.Again. All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #88
First... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #89
Nothing divisive about calling out protesters who call Biden Genocide Joe... All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #92
You're getting abusive to me at this point. Think. Again. Mar 2024 #94
No one is forcing you to reply. All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #95
So they get to assault people and the goddamn cops just stand there watching?!? SoFlaBro Mar 2024 #102
I know. It's insane. All Mixed Up Mar 2024 #110
I, for one, will not "cool" sarisataka Mar 2024 #46
Okay, but I was suggesting we "cool" our rhetoric toward anti-war protesters. Think. Again. Mar 2024 #49
When did anti-war protests become a bad thing? Big Blue Marble Mar 2024 #52
When they are staged by candidates in other political parties LeftInTX Mar 2024 #59
I remember my 2004 County Democratic caucus was crashed by the Lyndon LaRouche clowns Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2024 #62
Your agreement contradicts the First Amendment. . Big Blue Marble Mar 2024 #91
The purpose of Democratic Underground is to support and elect Democrats LeftInTX Mar 2024 #96
I support the Constitution Big Blue Marble Mar 2024 #101
When did endless ranting rather than dialogue become a good thing? brooklynite Mar 2024 #98
As I recall there was not any dialogue at the '68 protests Big Blue Marble Mar 2024 #99
It turns many many people away from their cause. At first I was willing to listen, now, I am not. SoFlaBro Mar 2024 #103
When you listened, what exactly did you hear? Big Blue Marble Mar 2024 #107
I heard about oppression and pain and struggle. Then I heard about black women being assaulted and the N-word. SoFlaBro Mar 2024 #109
1968 for one. tirebiter Mar 2024 #105
Actually, the anti-war protests of the 60' changed changed history Big Blue Marble Mar 2024 #108
If the antiwar protestors are not any of the things I listed sarisataka Mar 2024 #53
They're not "anti-war protestors". They're pro-Houthi, anti-AOC, anti-Biden protestors. lapucelle Mar 2024 #64
The OP I responded to says... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #66
You were not responding to the OP. lapucelle Mar 2024 #67
you do realize that responses are directly... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #68
Indeed I am. lapucelle Mar 2024 #69
I consider your attempt to take a response of mine to another post...... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #73
Sorry, that's not going to work. lapucelle Mar 2024 #78
No.. The fucking Protesters Need to "Cool theirr Rhetoric" Cha Mar 2024 #77
As you probably know... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #79
Fuck All the GD "protesters". Cha Mar 2024 #80
If the Democratic party presents itself as anti-protester... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #82
Fucking Evil Protesters Attacking Jewish Students Cha Mar 2024 #83
they aren't Democrats so they are fair game MistakenLamb Mar 2024 #113
I believe there are quite a few voting Democrats that oppose the situation in Gaza. Think. Again. Mar 2024 #114
and they aren't the ones using anti semitic slurs and wishing Trump back into power like these pro Hamas supporters are MistakenLamb Mar 2024 #115
Where would they get that kind of money? shrike3 Mar 2024 #55
From Neville Roy Singham and Jodie Evans. lapucelle Mar 2024 #65
Aha. Knew there had to be money behind this. Thanks. shrike3 Mar 2024 #81
Speaker Emerita Pelosi has their number. lapucelle Mar 2024 #84
They can keep their shitty money. 5 or 10k doesn't TheKentuckian Mar 2024 #72
Over half of Americans now oppose Deminpenn Mar 2024 #87
Barely over half Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2024 #90
The recent Gallop Poll tallied 65% Big Blue Marble Mar 2024 #93
Nope, Biden just sent over billions of dollars of weapons yesterday. LeftInTX Mar 2024 #97
Don't thank them... Beast From Venus Mar 2024 #100
What are you talking about? SoFlaBro Mar 2024 #106

Lancero

(3,257 posts)
1. Be interesting to see just where that money came from. Republican or Russian ratfucking attempt?
Thu Mar 28, 2024, 10:11 PM
Mar 2024

lapucelle

(20,925 posts)
11. Putin-loving, Uyghur-genocide-denying, maoist billionaire tech bro Neville Roy Singham
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 09:08 AM
Mar 2024

is funding some of the protests.

The American Multimillionaire Marxists Funding Pro-Palestinian Rage

Neville Roy Singham and his wife Jodie Evans are China propagandists—and a primary source of the fury exploding on our streets

https://www.thefp.com/p/american-marxists-funding-pro-palestinian-rage

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A Global Web of Chinese Propaganda Leads to a U.S. Tech Mogul

The Times unraveled a financial network that stretches from Chicago to Shanghai and uses American nonprofits to push Chinese talking points worldwide.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/world/europe/neville-roy-singham-china-propaganda.html

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Businessman Neville Roy Singham quietly sponsors an initiative opposing US assistance to Kyiv

https://www.intelligenceonline.com/corporate-intelligence/2022/11/11/businessman-neville-roy-singham-quietly-sponsors-an-initiative-opposing-us-assistance-to-kyiv,109863896-art

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The Big Business of Uyghur Genocide Denial

A New Lines investigation reveals a network of charities funneling millions into left-wing platforms that take Beijing’s side on the genocide allegations — and they’re all connected to an American tech magnate.

https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/the-big-business-of-uyghur-genocide-denial/

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"The People's Forum" is organizing and conducting anti-Israel protests across the country.




==============================


Singham launders his funding of pro-Hamas, anti-Israel, anti-Biden "protests" through the Goldman Sachs Philanthropy Fund which distributes "charitable donations" at the direct request of donors.

The Influence Watch page on The People's Forum.

Funding

In 2019, The People’s Forum received $12 million through the Goldman Sachs Philanthropy Fund, a donor-advised fund provider. This was not the first time the Forum received a hefty sum in this manner: it was given $4,400,000 in 2018 and $2,500,000 in 2017 through the Philanthropy Fund.

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/the-peoples-forum/

Nixie

(17,932 posts)
116. Wow, that's the real story. "Anti-Biden" "anti-Israel"
Sat Mar 30, 2024, 10:17 AM
Mar 2024

"Pro-Hamas" funding protestors.

Anything goes with those folks. Interesting, but predictable.

Thx for the dose of reality, lapucelle!



OAITW r.2.0

(31,191 posts)
2. Always seems that there are a faction of people who cannot continence Democratic policy because it's not left enough,
Thu Mar 28, 2024, 10:15 PM
Mar 2024

Yet their political energies never go towards the Party that will move the entire conversation to the right.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
3. At the risk of being piled on...
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 05:09 AM
Mar 2024

...I suggest we try to cool the self-imposed intra-party division and bickering until the November elections are over.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
5. I do not know (and I doubt you do)...
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 06:13 AM
Mar 2024

...what the percentage of anti-war protesters is that are registered Democrats, but I do know that anti-war sentiment is a vastly Left-leaning mindset.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
6. Left-leaning does not equale to pro-Democratic
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 06:15 AM
Mar 2024

As I said elsewhere, I've now seen multiple instance of protestor having an opportunity to engage with Democratic elected offcicials and choosing instead to scream their slogans over whatever the Democrat was saying.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
7. You probably do know...
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 06:20 AM
Mar 2024

...that when it comes down to Left v. right (Democratic v. republican) in November, we will need all the Left votes we can get to show up.

Alienating any hopeful Left votes now is just not a good strategy.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(131,885 posts)
8. We're never going to get the votes from those who like to shout others down.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 06:24 AM
Mar 2024

They don't care about solutions. They just want to be seen.

SocialDemocrat61

(6,583 posts)
10. Not just about being seen
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 07:03 AM
Mar 2024

They want to feel that they are morally superior so they can pass judgment on everyone else. They say they are voting their conscience but really they are voting their ego.

meow2u3

(25,237 posts)
18. But then, far left voices never supported Democrats
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 09:43 AM
Mar 2024

They fake former (read: nonexistent) support for Democrats, but they're against the mainstream left because Democrats are not anti-Western.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
20. That's an interesting take on things...
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 09:53 AM
Mar 2024

...but I'm pretty sure when election days come, the Left votes Blue and the right votes red.

JI7

(93,080 posts)
21. Far left types are anti democratic. These shitty people support the Houthis that are starving their own people
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:00 AM
Mar 2024

and attacking innocent people with their attacks on ships . And they accuse Biden and random Jewish people of genocide .

lapucelle

(20,925 posts)
117. These folks are not "left". They're performative asshats who plopped their butts down
Sat Mar 30, 2024, 02:43 PM
Mar 2024

at the point where the ends of the horseshoe meet.

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H2O Man

(78,413 posts)
45. At risk of
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 11:16 AM
Mar 2024

agreeing with you ...... years ago, a large group of very vocal, mean, and nasty protesting human beings surrounded Governor Mario Cuomo at a local airport. They were speaking in loud voices that by definition could be deemed yelling or shouting, without allowing him to answer in a meaningful way. Being younger and stronger back then, I made my way up to him. There, I spoke to him in a friendly and respectful way, about pretty much the same issue the angry crowd had been screaming about.

For some reason, the crowd became quiet enough that most people could hear our conversation. Then we shook hands, and off he went. As I turned to leave, some of that very crowd of angry citizens said rude things to and about me. That was a bit of odd, considering that most of them were Democrats or members of the Democratic Left. I had recently moved to that county, and few knew me yet.

The next time I saw Governor Cuomo, it was he who made his way through a crowd -- this time friendly -- to again shake my hand, and tell me that he appreciated what I had done at the airport. He said it was "brave." (I hadn't considered it to be such a thing, as there was only about 100 of them, and though I was retired from the ring, I could still do a fuck of a lot of damage, fast.) We talked for a bit, and he told me how to get a letter directly to him.

In the following year, Chief Waterman and I met in Governor Cuomo's office to discuss burial protection & repatriation issues. A bit later, his attorney called me at the mental health clinic where I was employed. The governor was planning to create an Office of Indian Affairs, and they wanted me to come to Albany to discuss a job offer. I thanked him, but said no thanks.

Because this comes too close to agreeing with you for comfort, I'll say that I wish that good people exercising Amendment 1 would study Dr. King. A silent "prayer-in" would speak louder than shouting. And due to my feeling that this comes too close to agreeing with you for comfort, I'll stick another donation to AOC and Ilhan in the mail today.

lapucelle

(20,925 posts)
22. Pro-Yemen "protestors" support a right wing theocracy engaged in ethnic cleansing.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:03 AM
Mar 2024

How is that a "left-leaning mindset"?

Yemen's remaining Jews to be transferred to UAE
August 2020

Reports in July claimed that the Houthi militant group in Yemen was rounding up Yemeni Jews and pressuring them to leave. These reports were denied by both Yemeni and international sources.

https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/yemens-remaining-jews-to-be-transferred-to-uae-report-638831

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The end of Jewish Yemen is imminent

A precarious existence for country’s last 100 Jews.

https://www.jpost.com/middle-east/exclusive-the-end-of-jewish-yemen-is-imminent-639267

----------------------------------------------------

In August 2020 of an estimated 100 or so remaining Yemen Jews, 42 have migrated to UAE and the rest would also leave. On November 10, 2020, the U.S. State Department called for the immediate and unconditional release of Levi Salem Musa Marhabi. A press statement said Marhabi has been wrongfully detained by the Houthi militia for four years, despite a court ordering his release in September 2019. In December 2020 an Israeli Rabbi visited the Yemenite Jews who escaped to the UAE.

On 28 March 2021, 13 Jews were forced by the Houthis to leave Yemen;less than 10 Jews still resided in Yemen. According to one report there are six Jews left in Yemen: one woman; her brother; 3 others, and Levi Salem Marhabi (who has been imprisoned for helping smuggle a Torah scroll out of Yemen).

The Jerusalem Post reported that the remaining Jewish population in Yemen consists of four elderly Jews, ending the continuous presence of a community that dated back to antiquity. In December 2021 the Jews of Yemen received Hanukkah kits. In March 2022 the United Nations reported there is just one Jew in Yemen (Levi Salem Marhabi).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yemenite_Jews

----------------------------------------------------

History of the Jews of Yemen

The history of the Jews in Yemen spans millennia, encompassing many challenging and prosperous periods. Read on to explore and unravel the captivating narrative of Yemenite Jews, tracing their journey through time, and learn about an ancient Jewish community that survived all odds and came home.

The Last Jew in Yemen

A lone Jewish person remains in Yemen, down from seven in February, according to a new United Nations report about the treatment of religious minorities in conflict zones. (Gabby Deutch, Jewish Insider March 14, 2022)

In the early 20th century, Jews in Yemen numbered over 50,000; today, there is one Jew left. There are reportedly a handful of “hidden Jews” in Yemen who have converted to Islam but secretly practice Judaism.


=================================================

Supporter of theocratic ethnic cleansing last night in NYC.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
23. Interesting....
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:06 AM
Mar 2024

...kinda like being pro-"ultra-rightwing" netanyahu (Hillary Clinton's words).

JI7

(93,080 posts)
25. Netanyahu doesn't call to remove Muslims from Israel
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:14 AM
Mar 2024

Israel has 20 percent Muslims. So no , it's not the same as Nentanyahu .

JI7

(93,080 posts)
33. He has never done anything to force them out the way all the Muslim nations did with the Jews
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:34 AM
Mar 2024

lapucelle

(20,925 posts)
31. What are you talking about? There are 1,900,000 Palestinian citizens of Israel.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:24 AM
Mar 2024

Sorry, but "Quick, look over here!" doesn't work on me, especially when the actual facts render the analogy meaningless.





lapucelle

(20,925 posts)
43. So you concede that the protestors have nothing to do with a "left leaning mindset".
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:52 AM
Mar 2024

Good to know.

Cha

(316,186 posts)
75. Yeah, the "Deflection" isn't WORKING.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 02:30 PM
Mar 2024

Thanks for your Participation in this Thread! Priceless!

LeftInTX

(34,008 posts)
50. They have their own presidential candidate from the Party of Socialism and Liberation
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 12:16 PM
Mar 2024

They are not Democrats.


?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
54. i didn't realize that those protesters were actually....
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 01:08 PM
Mar 2024

...all a group from a different political party.

I guess it's no different than if it were a bunch of republicans crashing a Democratic party fundraiser.

But I really don't think that none of all pro-Palestine protesters are Democrats, in fact I personally know Democrats who have protested for Palestine.

LeftInTX

(34,008 posts)
56. At Biden events?
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 01:12 PM
Mar 2024

It's one thing to protest, but "shouting Genocide Joe" and protesting at Democratic Party events are clearly attempts to undermine the election of Democratic candidates.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
58. But you just said they were all from a different political party.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 01:15 PM
Mar 2024

...so of course they are in opposition to the Democratic party.

LeftInTX

(34,008 posts)
60. They infiltrate Democratic party events too. They're sneaky.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 01:21 PM
Mar 2024

People think they're just protesters, but if you look at their signs, it will say "Party for Socialism and Liberation".

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
63. Well then they aren't really a threat to Biden...
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 01:26 PM
Mar 2024

...if they belong to a different party and therefore can't be threatening to take away Democratic votes from him.

Voltaire2

(15,377 posts)
112. That is a false statement.
Sat Mar 30, 2024, 06:37 AM
Mar 2024

See for example the uncommitted votes in the Michigan primary.

yardwork

(68,782 posts)
12. Please feel free to suggest that to the anti-Biden protesters.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 09:12 AM
Mar 2024

They sure aren't helping.

lapucelle

(20,925 posts)
17. Wait...what? The anti-Biden, anti-Israel, pro-Yemen protestors are Democrats?
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 09:29 AM
Mar 2024

Why don't they ever show up to protest Republicans?





 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
19. I don't know who else they protest...
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 09:48 AM
Mar 2024

...but I know a lot of people here on DU are against both the left and the right, so I imagine there are other people who can multi-task too.

lapucelle

(20,925 posts)
27. They also protest AOC.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:18 AM
Mar 2024

As for people on DU being "against both the left and the right", folks here are pro-Democratic Party. Democrats don't take kindly to slurring President Biden as "Genocide Joe" or accusing AOC of being a "Booster for Genocide Joe".







 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
40. Here, on DU.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:41 AM
Mar 2024

Have you never read a post denigrating the right, and then another from the same poster denigrating Progressives?

lapucelle

(20,925 posts)
38. No one here has ever called AOC a "genocide booster".
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:40 AM
Mar 2024

Most people understand the distinction between disagreeing with someone on policy and/or methods and outright slander.

"Hillary says Netanyahu is right wing" and "People on here 'smear' AOC"


are hardly on point, but by all means, keep reaching.



betsuni

(28,604 posts)
30. "I know a lot of people here on DU are against both the left the right" -- what does that mean?
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:23 AM
Mar 2024
 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
32. That I have read different posts from the same posters....
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:30 AM
Mar 2024

....some of which vilify the rightwing and some the leftwing.

betsuni

(28,604 posts)
111. As this is a forum for supporters of the Democratic Party, any baseless accusations against
Sat Mar 30, 2024, 03:24 AM
Mar 2024

Democrats or votes against Biden administration policies, wherever they come from, are not welcome.

If you'd give examples of supposed "different posts from the same posters ... some of which vilify the rightwing and some the leftwing" -- just paraphrasing without names or linking -- it would be clearer what you mean about DUers, Democrats ... *whispers* centrists ... third way ... conservadems ... wealthy elites ... centrists ...

 

All Mixed Up

(597 posts)
24. These people don't want cooling lmao
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:12 AM
Mar 2024

What a weird post defending these assholes.


?t=2C_sM7_tBLiJPzGL5JjAXA&s=19


?t=BRaikeSDOj32eoXHqGq-lw&s=19


?t=u_SIPOKgw0BkXqD-ZjGiLQ&s=19

Maybe you should tell these losers to cool it?
 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
26. I wasn't defending them....
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:17 AM
Mar 2024

...and I don't know or speak to any of these losers other than what they might read here on DU.

 

All Mixed Up

(597 posts)
39. Keep defending them.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:41 AM
Mar 2024

You've not said one critical thing about how these people reacted last night and instead decided to criticize those who called em out.

BuT iM nOt DeFeNdInG tHeM

lmao

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
41. I've never said anything critical about you either...
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:44 AM
Mar 2024

...does that mean I am automatically defending any and all of your positions?

 

All Mixed Up

(597 posts)
44. If a post was specifically attacking me and you said what you said the exact same way? Yes.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:54 AM
Mar 2024

You're defending their actions by suggesting they shouldn't be criticized for the vile things they did at that event last night. It's that simple.

If you came on here and told us all we should "cool" our attacks on Trump, yes I'd take that as defending him.

Being passive to these idiots is absolutely defending their actions.

Look up passive defending.

 

All Mixed Up

(597 posts)
51. I did. You don't think we should criticize those who attack Biden supporters on the streets.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 12:17 PM
Mar 2024
 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
57. My post didn't say that...
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 01:12 PM
Mar 2024

...my post said we should cool down on the divisive rhetoric within the Left.

Please stop saying I said things that I did not say.

 

All Mixed Up

(597 posts)
85. There was nothing divisive about the OP's post.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 05:00 PM
Mar 2024

They didn't even attack the protesters - just thanked 'em.

I don't see the need to cozy up and defend people who call women kikes for attending a Biden rally.

 

All Mixed Up

(597 posts)
88. Think.Again.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 07:49 PM
Mar 2024

Here's the post you replied to:



Your initial reply:



And now this reply:



Show me in the post where it's all that divisive?

I just find it funny you put more energy into defending people who call Democrats kikes than you do admitting these people are probably not worthy of our support. Maybe you agree with them?

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
89. First...
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 08:12 PM
Mar 2024

...I think it is very clear that the OP is divisive.

Second... I haven't defended anybody.

Third... Neither the OP nor I even allude to anyone calling anyone else anything.

Please stop falsely accusing me of things I did not do.

 

All Mixed Up

(597 posts)
92. Nothing divisive about calling out protesters who call Biden Genocide Joe...
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 09:20 PM
Mar 2024

...or call his supporters kikes. The fact you continue to defend their action speaks volumes.

Nothing in the OP was divisive. You know what is? Attacking Biden supporters trying to peacefully go to an event with slurs and misogynistic language. That's far more divisive than making a joke about these clearly non-Biden supporters who have no problem slinging awful slurs at Biden.

But keep defending that.

sarisataka

(22,183 posts)
46. I, for one, will not "cool"
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 11:30 AM
Mar 2024

and tolerate racism, misogyny, anti-immigration, etc. just because and election is coming. I won't even tolerate antisemitism.

I am not the one threatening to take my ball and let Trump win the election. I will vote for Biden despite any differences I may have with him. Perhaps you should direct your advice to "cool" to those who are willing to put the country at risk if they don't get their way.

Big Blue Marble

(5,661 posts)
52. When did anti-war protests become a bad thing?
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 12:44 PM
Mar 2024

Many of us here have been anti-war protesters in previous wars. This is confusing to me.
Is the First Amendment not operative any more?

And when did DU became so anti-protestors?


LeftInTX

(34,008 posts)
59. When they are staged by candidates in other political parties
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 01:18 PM
Mar 2024

Do we support GOP protesters at Biden event? Why should we support Party of Socialism and Liberation's presidential candidate, Claudia de la Cruz at Biden's event?





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These events are clearly electioneering if they involve a political party.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(131,885 posts)
62. I remember my 2004 County Democratic caucus was crashed by the Lyndon LaRouche clowns
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 01:25 PM
Mar 2024

They were well behaved compared to the Socialism and Liberation party.

Big Blue Marble

(5,661 posts)
91. Your agreement contradicts the First Amendment. .
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 09:17 PM
Mar 2024

The Constitution is still in effect, thank god

People still have the right to protest even when you disagree with their cause.
In fact the more you disagree, the more important is the protection.

LeftInTX

(34,008 posts)
96. The purpose of Democratic Underground is to support and elect Democrats
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 11:15 PM
Mar 2024

Do you support the "Genocide Joe" people? People who support Putin and want to undermine the election?

Big Blue Marble

(5,661 posts)
101. I support the Constitution
Sat Mar 30, 2024, 12:25 AM
Mar 2024

and the right to protest. Isn't that why we are dedicated to supporting and electing
Democrats to protect our Constitutional Rights.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
98. When did endless ranting rather than dialogue become a good thing?
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 11:41 PM
Mar 2024

The protestors in question refuse to actually engage with their targets. I've seen t personally.

Big Blue Marble

(5,661 posts)
99. As I recall there was not any dialogue at the '68 protests
Sat Mar 30, 2024, 12:19 AM
Mar 2024

at the Chicago Democratic Convention or on the college campuses either.

The point of protests are to be disruptive.

SoFlaBro

(3,730 posts)
103. It turns many many people away from their cause. At first I was willing to listen, now, I am not.
Sat Mar 30, 2024, 12:34 AM
Mar 2024

SoFlaBro

(3,730 posts)
109. I heard about oppression and pain and struggle. Then I heard about black women being assaulted and the N-word.
Sat Mar 30, 2024, 02:36 AM
Mar 2024

Then I shut down.

Big Blue Marble

(5,661 posts)
108. Actually, the anti-war protests of the 60' changed changed history
Sat Mar 30, 2024, 12:57 AM
Mar 2024

and woke a lot of people up to failure of the Viet Nam War.

People have the right to protest; do you agree.

sarisataka

(22,183 posts)
53. If the antiwar protestors are not any of the things I listed
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 12:54 PM
Mar 2024

and are not threatening to campaign against Biden or stay home I would have no issue with them

lapucelle

(20,925 posts)
64. They're not "anti-war protestors". They're pro-Houthi, anti-AOC, anti-Biden protestors.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 01:27 PM
Mar 2024

If they were anti-war protestors, they would be protesting against Hamas which has turned down ceasefire after ceasefire.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
66. The OP I responded to says...
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 01:38 PM
Mar 2024

"I'd like to thank all the Gaza protesters...

…who apparently contributed $5-10,000 to the Biden-Harris campaign to buy tickets for the “Three Presidents” event so they could interrupt President Bide talking about Israel-Gaza to rant incoherently.

That describes people protesting the war in Gaza.

I don't know what is you are responding to.

lapucelle

(20,925 posts)
67. You were not responding to the OP.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 02:00 PM
Mar 2024

You were responding to a poster.

And even if you were responding to the OP, it makes no mention of anti-war protestors as your highlights so helpfully illustrate.

It was President Biden who was "talking about Israel-Gaza" and the protestors who were "ranting incoherently".

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
68. you do realize that responses are directly...
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 02:10 PM
Mar 2024

...linked to what they are responding to, right?

If so, you can see that my post was in direct response to the OP.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
73. I consider your attempt to take a response of mine to another post......
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 02:27 PM
Mar 2024

and pretend it is the post I originally made, to be a bad faith move on your part.

lapucelle

(20,925 posts)
78. Sorry, that's not going to work.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 02:57 PM
Mar 2024

The "anti-war protestors claim" I responded to was made in the sub-thread I was responding in.

Your initial post to the OP said nothing about "anti-war protests". It did, however, characterize the pro-Houthti, anti-Biden protests as "intra-Party division and bickering", as if it were Democrats ranting about "Genocide Joe" and slandering AOC as a "genocide booster".



Cha

(316,186 posts)
77. No.. The fucking Protesters Need to "Cool theirr Rhetoric"
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 02:51 PM
Mar 2024
“F*cking murderous k*ke.”
“F*cking die.”
“Keep it moving b*tch.”

These are antisemitic, misogynist thugs and they’ve had free rein for too long.


 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
79. As you probably know...
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 03:09 PM
Mar 2024

...those are not the people we are specifically discussing, as presented in the OP.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
82. If the Democratic party presents itself as anti-protester...
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 03:19 PM
Mar 2024

...we might as well change our name to "the republican party".

MistakenLamb

(791 posts)
115. and they aren't the ones using anti semitic slurs and wishing Trump back into power like these pro Hamas supporters are
Sat Mar 30, 2024, 09:42 AM
Mar 2024

they are no different than the MAGA types who wish for the complete destruction of America and the Democratic Party.

lapucelle

(20,925 posts)
65. From Neville Roy Singham and Jodie Evans.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 01:32 PM
Mar 2024

Pro-China, pro-Putin billionaire tech bro money laundered through the Goldman Sachs "Foundation".

See post 11.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218819256#post11

lapucelle

(20,925 posts)
84. Speaker Emerita Pelosi has their number.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 03:57 PM
Mar 2024
Pelosi protester faces felony charges over Gaza cease-fire demonstration

An activist affiliated with the anti-war group Code Pink is facing felony charges for causing damage around Speaker Emerita Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco residence during a Feb. 11 demonstration.

snip============================

Last month, Code Pink circulated a video showing Pelosi telling a Code Pink protester, “Go back to China, where your headquarters is.”

Pelosi was referring to a New York Times investigation that revealed extensive ties between Code Pink’s co-founder, Jodie Evans, and groups promoting the agenda of the Chinese Communist Party.


That exchange took place on Oct. 29, coinciding with the one-year anniversary of the attack on Pelosi’s husband, Paul Pelosi, which left him hospitalized with severe injuries. The attacker, David DePape, told investigators he sought to hold Nancy Pelosi hostage.

https://sfstandard.com/2024/02/16/nancy-pelosi-cease-fire-protests-san-francisco-code-pink/

=====================


According to a Code Pink blog post, the purpose of the October 29 protest was to "briefly hold Pelosi hostage."

A Code Pink spokesperson called the timing of the action to hold Speaker Emerita Pelosi hostage -- the one year anniversary of the hammer assault on Paul Pelosi by an assailant seeking to hold Nancy Pelosi hostage -- was an "unfortunate coincidence".

https://sfstandard.com/2024/02/16/nancy-pelosi-cease-fire-protests-san-francisco-code-pink/

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
72. They can keep their shitty money. 5 or 10k doesn't
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 02:23 PM
Mar 2024

even begin to offset the damage they seek to cause.

Fuck the Hamas Superfriends.

Deminpenn

(17,236 posts)
87. Over half of Americans now oppose
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 05:37 PM
Mar 2024

what is happening in Gaza. Like it or not, those protestors are having an effect. And not just on public opinion, but on the Biden administration policy, too.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(131,885 posts)
90. Barely over half
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 08:20 PM
Mar 2024

Probably within the margin of error.

And it's more due to the news they read not a bunch of loud mouth antisemitic virtue signalers,

Big Blue Marble

(5,661 posts)
93. The recent Gallop Poll tallied 65%
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 09:20 PM
Mar 2024

At this point, I question anyone who is still supporting the killing of over 14000 children
and starving a million kids. And so does most of the world. Protesting these war crimes
is an act of courage.

LeftInTX

(34,008 posts)
97. Nope, Biden just sent over billions of dollars of weapons yesterday.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 11:16 PM
Mar 2024


U.S. signs off on more bombs, warplanes for Israel


Despite a widening rift with the Israeli government, the Biden administration continues to authorize the transfer of 2,000-pound bombs and other weapons


The Biden administration in recent days quietly authorized the transfer of billions of dollars in bombs and fighter jets to Israel despite Washington’s concerns about an anticipated military offensive in southern Gaza that could threaten the lives of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian civilians.

The new arms packages include more than 1,800 MK84 2,000-pound bombs and 500 MK82 500-pound bombs, according to Pentagon and State Department officials familiar with the matter. The 2,000-pound bombs have been linked to previous mass-casualty events throughout Israel’s military campaign in Gaza. These officials, like some others, spoke to The Washington Post on the condition of anonymity because recent authorizations have not been disclosed publicly.

The development underscores that while rifts have emerged between the United States and Israel over the war’s conduct, the Biden administration views weapons transfers as off-limits when considering how to influence the actions of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

“We have continued to support Israel’s right to defend itself,” said a White House official. “Conditioning aid has not been our policy.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2024/03/29/us-weapons-israel-gaza-war/

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