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edhopper

(37,375 posts)
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 09:10 AM Mar 2024

The best discription of Joe Lieberman I have read

From Duncan Black, aka Atrios.

Joe Lieberman Is Dead
I make exceptions for the young, usually, but if you make it to 80+ you got the full trip and had plenty of chances to express regrets, or not, so I feel no problem with assessing the life of people who were quite proud of themselves.

He was a bad and dishonest person who delighted in making other people suffer for petty or grotesque reasons, all while basking the glow of praise from a political press who treated him as The Last Good Man In Washington.

Embrace being bad, don't wrap it in sanctimonious smug and demand people you deserve it.

The reaction of Official Washington to someone daring to offer a primary challenge to him was extremely telling. They loved their Joe.
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The best discription of Joe Lieberman I have read (Original Post) edhopper Mar 2024 OP
He always struck me as polite, dead-eyed and souless. marble falls Mar 2024 #1
The insurance companies, the credit card companies, and ghe pharmaceutical companies,... magicarpet Mar 2024 #2
Lieberman: a corrupt and craven piece of crap who did Sky Jewels Mar 2024 #3
There's a pretty annoying piece from Jon V. Last on The Bulwark about Holy Joe 617Blue Mar 2024 #4
Loserman died from a fall. Who pushed him? Hassler Mar 2024 #5
He jumped. Aristus Mar 2024 #6
Ned Lamont who primaried JL is now the Gov of Connecticut. Cha Mar 2024 #7
I Will Go To My Grave Believing He Cost Al Gore The Presidency ChoppinBroccoli Mar 2024 #8
He did not help edhopper Mar 2024 #10
Interesting Bucky Mar 2024 #14
The difference between a Gore Presidency and the Bush one edhopper Mar 2024 #15
But Consider This...... ChoppinBroccoli Mar 2024 #16
I would take the trade off edhopper Mar 2024 #18
I've nothing good to say.nt oasis Mar 2024 #9
I do MurrayDelph Mar 2024 #11
Is it telling that, despite dying from a suspicious fall... Bucky Mar 2024 #12
Well edhopper Mar 2024 #13
ouch! BlueWaveNeverEnd Mar 2024 #17

magicarpet

(18,519 posts)
2. The insurance companies, the credit card companies, and ghe pharmaceutical companies,...
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 09:42 AM
Mar 2024

.... and their lobbyists just loved him to no end.

Lieberman was a Democratic Party turncoat who was vindictive if things did not go his way.

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
3. Lieberman: a corrupt and craven piece of crap who did
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:36 AM
Mar 2024

untold harm to this country and the world. He won’t be missed.

617Blue

(2,473 posts)
4. There's a pretty annoying piece from Jon V. Last on The Bulwark about Holy Joe
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 10:49 AM
Mar 2024

I like JVL and he truly is a Biden admirer but his piece on The Bulwark about how poor Holy Joe was abandoned by the Dems yadda yadda is nauseating. At some point Holy Joe decided that owning the libs was his mission in life. There was no principal behind his politics. He was a Jew working in the service of a Republican Party whose base consists of literal Nazis. Lieberman wasn't stupid, he knew what he was doing.

https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/why-do-all-the-roads-of-crazy-town



Cha

(319,100 posts)
7. Ned Lamont who primaried JL is now the Gov of Connecticut.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 09:02 PM
Mar 2024

I just googled and there are headlines saying "Lieberman was remembered as a man of integrity and conviction"".

I rarely do this but

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,900 posts)
8. I Will Go To My Grave Believing He Cost Al Gore The Presidency
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 11:54 PM
Mar 2024

I believe a better choice of running mate would have given Gore an insurmountable lead, and kept the Supreme Court out of it altogether. I always believed Gephardt would have been the better choice. He would have delivered the labor/union vote, and possibly won him Missouri. I also believe anti-semitism played a part in it too.

edhopper

(37,375 posts)
10. He did not help
Sat Mar 30, 2024, 09:49 AM
Mar 2024

not one bit. I did not think at the time, and still do not, that Clinton's behavior was a weight on Gore. Leiberman was a sheild Gore did not need.

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
14. Interesting
Sat Mar 30, 2024, 11:14 AM
Mar 2024

If you look at the numbers, Al Gore might have won the electoral college if he'd gone with Jean Shaheen (who was on the short list) as his VP candidate. Or Mary Landrieu or Douglas Wilder.

Of course we'd be living in a very different world now, since Gore probably wouldn't have dropped the ball on 9/11 warnings, just like Clinton didn't on the warnings for the millennial plot, which put our security forces on high alert, which led to the arrest on the Canadian border. Different Supreme Court too.

Damn, Lieberman was a curse.

edhopper

(37,375 posts)
15. The difference between a Gore Presidency and the Bush one
Sat Mar 30, 2024, 03:31 PM
Mar 2024

could never be underestimated. A completely different country. Just as Hilary and TSF.

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,900 posts)
16. But Consider This......
Sat Mar 30, 2024, 11:25 PM
Mar 2024

Without the disaster that was the George W. Bush term, do we get an Obama Presidency? Eventually, I'm sure (he was too good to keep out of the White House), but probably not as early as 2008. So if you're looking for a silver lining.

Just like if Hillary had defeated Trump in 2016, Joe Biden probably would have never become President. And his first term has been one of the most consequential Presidencies of my lifetime.

edhopper

(37,375 posts)
18. I would take the trade off
Sun Mar 31, 2024, 10:47 AM
Mar 2024

no Bush, no 9/11, no Iraq War, no Afghanistan, better response to Katrina, no Economic collapse caused by no regulation of financial industry. Outside of the ACA, most of Obama's term was fixing what Bush broke.
And no Trump...the list is too long.

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
12. Is it telling that, despite dying from a suspicious fall...
Sat Mar 30, 2024, 10:53 AM
Mar 2024

... absolutely no one is offering any crazy conspiracy theories about his death?

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