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CousinIT

(9,539 posts)
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 02:50 PM Mar 2024

Judge Luttig: "The Nation is witnessing the determined delegitimization of both its Federal and State judiciaries..."

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1773757449939419341.html




The Nation is witnessing the determined delegitimization of both its Federal and State judiciaries and the systematic dismantling of its system of justice and Rule of Law by a single man – the former President of the United States.

In the months ahead, the former president can only be expected to ramp up his unprecedented efforts to delegitimize the courts of the United States, the nation’s state courts, and America’s system of justice, through his vicious, disgraceful, and unforgiveable attacks and threats on the Federal and State Judiciaries and the individual Judges of these courts.

Never in American history has any person, let alone a President of the United States, leveled such threatening attacks against the federal and state courts and federal and state judicial officers of the kind the former president has leveled continually now for years.

But suffice it to say, never in history has any person leveled such attacks and been met with such passivity, acquiescence, and submissiveness by the nation.

It is a regrettable commentary on our times that a lone federal judge, The Honorable Judge Reggie B. Walton -- because no one whose responsibility it is to do so has had the courage and the will -- would finally be left no choice but, himself, to express on national television the profound concerns of the entire Federal and State Judiciaries over Donald Trump’s contemptible attacks on the federal and state courts, the judges of these courts and their families, and the other participants in the judicial process.

It is the responsibility of the Supreme Court of the United States in the first instance to protect the federal courts, the federal judges, and all participants in the justice system from the reprehensible spectacle of the former president's inexcusable, threatening attacks, just as it is the responsibility of the respective State Supreme Courts in the first instance to protect their courts and their state judges from the same.

Ultimately, however, it is the responsibility of the entire nation to protect its courts and judges, its Constitution, its Rule of Law, and America's Democracy from vicious attack, threat, undermine, and deliberate delegitimization at the hands of anyone so determined.




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Judge Luttig: "The Nation is witnessing the determined delegitimization of both its Federal and State judiciaries..." (Original Post) CousinIT Mar 2024 OP
Conservatism built this. czarjak Mar 2024 #1
Really? elleng Mar 2024 #15
From the bottom up the definition looks more like this: markodochartaigh Mar 2024 #17
Yes, really. This is what the hatred, criminal actions and general contempt of government from Conservatives hadEnuf Mar 2024 #18
They are not conservatives, elleng Mar 2024 #26
I was going to say this, but you beat me to it. They are radicals! flashman13 Mar 2024 #33
Thank you, flashman13. elleng Mar 2024 #35
When were Conservatives really not radical? hadEnuf Mar 2024 #41
Please tell me this is snark wolfie001 Mar 2024 #22
FASCISM is the culprit. magicarpet Mar 2024 #23
Thank you. elleng Mar 2024 #25
Question? Bakerboy17 Mar 2024 #38
Oh no djt does not give a sweet hoot about Jesus, the Bible, religion, or churches. magicarpet Mar 2024 #40
Opposition/Resistance czarjak Mar 2024 #42
Republicans built this dlk Mar 2024 #45
We all know what is happening, everyone is talking about it, the legal system needs to act. Blah, blah, blah Escurumbele Mar 2024 #50
So much for "The courts will hold" SledDriver Mar 2024 #2
The courts will not hold. People have to VOTE. CousinIT Mar 2024 #4
And we also need to be prepared for when the votes don't hold either. hadEnuf Mar 2024 #19
Enemies MOMFUDSKI Mar 2024 #3
By mobsters, crooks malaise Mar 2024 #5
Yup, republianmushroom Mar 2024 #6
The judges are enabling Trump to dismantle the court system. Irish_Dem Mar 2024 #7
True. Too many of them are. L. Leo and Trump / MAGA are delegitimizing courts but... CousinIT Mar 2024 #8
Yes the judges are enabling a dangerous sociopath. Irish_Dem Mar 2024 #9
So is the f*cking media. GOP, judicial system, media... CousinIT Mar 2024 #10
Yes this is the reality. Irish_Dem Mar 2024 #12
Milton Mayer, "They Thought They Were Free" markodochartaigh Mar 2024 #21
The German people knew the Jews were being gassed and cremated. Irish_Dem Mar 2024 #34
But think of the financial benefits the judges get LiberalArkie Mar 2024 #29
Over and under the table. Irish_Dem Mar 2024 #31
+1 dalton99a Mar 2024 #46
This won't stop if Biden wins the election. But, if he loses, all will be lost. Earth-shine Mar 2024 #11
He's wrong. Grins Mar 2024 #13
Judge Luttig's point in my understanding after listening to him on many occasions cayugafalls Mar 2024 #47
Indeed, Trump is the carefully chosen front man/diversion for the efforts to change US Attilatheblond Mar 2024 #48
The courts haven't done themselves any favors in that regard. cloudbase Mar 2024 #14
Luttig is correct: Trump represents the greatest threat to the Constitution in the nation's history. Kid Berwyn Mar 2024 #16
I would say that SCOTUS has played a huge part in this RainCaster Mar 2024 #20
KnR Hekate Mar 2024 #24
Do not give Trump too much credit. Yes, he is using what has been built Scalded Nun Mar 2024 #27
Yes McConnell is the architect - tip toeing in the backdoor magicarpet Mar 2024 #30
The battle is between would-be plutocrats and the rest of us. Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2024 #28
It's the whole Republican Party and it's fascist oligarch owners. tRump is not doing this alone. diane in sf Mar 2024 #32
the rs are doing ths to service only him. the just us system. rich mans court. AllaN01Bear Mar 2024 #36
Also voting and elections n/t hibbing Mar 2024 #37
Lets see- Who is the one judge who is not receiving these threats, bombast, and intimidation? NBachers Mar 2024 #39
His glorious defense attorney, Aileen Cannon. n/t CousinIT Mar 2024 #44
One of the greatest minds of this century. cayugafalls Mar 2024 #43
I wish we could have a jurist of the caliber of Mr Luttig on the USSC. malthaussen Mar 2024 #49
Nicolle Wallace presents a groundbreaking MSNBC segment, featuring Judge Reggie Walton's CNN interview LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2024 #51
"dismantling of its system of justice and Rule of Law by a single man - the former President of the United States" BlueWaveNeverEnd Mar 2024 #52

elleng

(133,260 posts)
15. Really?
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 03:56 PM
Mar 2024

noun
1.
commitment to traditional values and ideas with opposition to change or innovation.
"proponents of theological conservatism"
2.
the holding of political views that favor free enterprise, private ownership, and socially traditional ideas.


I do not think so, AT ALL.

markodochartaigh

(1,455 posts)
17. From the bottom up the definition looks more like this:
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 04:21 PM
Mar 2024

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.”

https://slate.com/business/2022/06/wilhoits-law-conservatives-frank-wilhoit.html

hadEnuf

(2,429 posts)
18. Yes, really. This is what the hatred, criminal actions and general contempt of government from Conservatives
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 04:24 PM
Mar 2024

has brought us to.

Quoting a dictionary definition doesn't change that.

elleng

(133,260 posts)
26. They are not conservatives,
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 04:44 PM
Mar 2024

Last edited Fri Mar 29, 2024, 05:20 PM - Edit history (1)

and 'conservatism' is not the correct term.

They are radicals.

flashman13

(822 posts)
33. I was going to say this, but you beat me to it. They are radicals!
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 05:17 PM
Mar 2024

They bear no resemblance to conservatives. These radicals think, for some totally unknown reasons, that they are first class citizens and are entitled to run "real America". All of the rest of us are at best second class citizens and we must bend the knee to the "real Americans". The radicals see everything in terms of good and evil. Of course they are good and everyone else is evil. Under those conditions their side can be the only side; compromise is heretical. It is this idea that compromise is evil that has rendered the House of Representative completely dysfunctional.

To make our country work we need both conservatives and liberals. Just remember, there are a great many conservatives that are good people and if we all join together we can make the country a place where we can all pursue our vision of happiness.

hadEnuf

(2,429 posts)
41. When were Conservatives really not radical?
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 06:40 PM
Mar 2024

Before they were trying to sink Medicare and the War on Poverty? Before they filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act? Before they tried to stop Social Security in 1935? Before the stock market crash? Before the Gilded Age?

It became a free-for-all with Trump, but Conservatives have always been trying screw average Americans.

Trump has been a dream come true for Conservatives. That's why they keep kissing up to the slimeball even though he's certifiable.

magicarpet

(15,000 posts)
23. FASCISM is the culprit.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 04:39 PM
Mar 2024

We allowed it to take a strong foothold and ignored it thinking the better angels would eventually prevail.

But the result is we permitted FASCISM to become normalized and woven into the fabric of our society.

Now the monster wants to devour our democracy then swap it out for their version of a Christofascist Theocracy and hyper-capitalism with their chosen dictator/Messiah running the show.

Bakerboy17

(17 posts)
38. Question?
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 05:55 PM
Mar 2024

While I agree with your statement I wonder if anyone truly thinks that their dictator/messiah will rule as a Christofascist Theocrat?

magicarpet

(15,000 posts)
40. Oh no djt does not give a sweet hoot about Jesus, the Bible, religion, or churches.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 06:29 PM
Mar 2024

The only thing wants from the Jesus gang is their votes so he can consolidate enough votes at the ballot box. So then he can seize power and become a ruthless despot with the ability to plunder and pilfer the nation's treasure in his endless quest for self enrichment.

czarjak

(11,795 posts)
42. Opposition/Resistance
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 06:54 PM
Mar 2024

Call it anything you want, change is here, change with the changes or go down with the ship. Conservatism.

Escurumbele

(3,488 posts)
50. We all know what is happening, everyone is talking about it, the legal system needs to act. Blah, blah, blah
Sat Mar 30, 2024, 02:47 PM
Mar 2024

only makes everyone angrier and gives more strength to the buffoon, the media needs to push the judges to act. The guy is testing, nothing happens? then he goes even further, nothing happens? he pushes more...When is the justice system going to put the SOB behind bars?

The guy on the pick-up with Biden gagged, bound and maybe dead should be made accountable, and the SOB must go to jail for posting it, we all know he is encouraging some crazy nut to go after Biden, Michael Cohen has been describing how the SOB talks to his crazies, he has explained it, why are judges afraid to do the right thing? Put him in jail and all this will stop. That the violent followers will, maybe, start some violence? OK, we spend a lot of money on our military, so lets get our ROI back using the military to stop those clowns.

Irish_Dem

(52,675 posts)
7. The judges are enabling Trump to dismantle the court system.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 03:09 PM
Mar 2024

All they have to do is treat Trump like the rest of us get treated in the legal system.

CousinIT

(9,539 posts)
8. True. Too many of them are. L. Leo and Trump / MAGA are delegitimizing courts but...
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 03:20 PM
Mar 2024

....that isn't all. The courts and judges/justices are delegitimizing THEMSELVES too.

The goddamned USSC should NOT have taken Trump's immunity case, overturned ROE and they should NOT have taken the abortion drug cases.

And then there's the inexplicable actions of the NY appeals court on Trump's fraud case and Aileen Cannon who is essentially Trump's legal bouncer, not a judge.

MAGAts and their billionaire extremists are doing the appointing and putsching them onto the courts, then the judges and justices they appointed are doing the rest.

The goddamned USSC is ALREADY packed. Democrats need to UNPACK it with expansion, term limits and strict ethics rules. THEY HAVE TO BE MADE TO ANSWER TO SOMEBODY. They can whine about "being delegitimized" but THEY'RE DOING IT TO THEMSELVES!!!

They need to stop the billionaire-funded amicus brief train of cases designed to end up in their laps or at least stop taking the goddamned things and they need to stop playing legal bouncers to Donald Trump. BUT they won't. Because all of that is why they were put there and they know it.

Irish_Dem

(52,675 posts)
9. Yes the judges are enabling a dangerous sociopath.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 03:22 PM
Mar 2024

And allowing democracy to be destroyed.

A total disgrace.

CousinIT

(9,539 posts)
10. So is the f*cking media. GOP, judicial system, media...
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 03:40 PM
Mar 2024

...he has an entire political party, most of the judiciary, and most of the damn media helping.

WE have ... OURSELVES. Against all of it.

And IDIOTS want to not vote, vote 3rd party, or write in someone. They think they're smart and cute. JUST WAIT until they have no more voting rights AT ALL, no human rights, no civil rights, no Social Security, no Medicare, no ACA or other insurance or healthcare because only billionaires can afford it. No clean air, water or soil and no regulations in regards to that or safe drugs even if they could afford them.

They have NO CLUE.

MY ENTIRE FAMILY will not vote Biden. They will vote TRUMP (or not vote, or vote for Kennedy, No Labels or Ben Carson or someone)

ALL OF THEM are living on Social Security. "Oh they'll never get rid of thaaaat!" is the refrain.

Sure. That's what they said about Roe v Wade too.

They're making a LOT of dangerous assumptions. They're amazingly fucking stupid. And they damn sure will not listen to ME - the only Democrat in the family. I'm the stupidest one among them in their opinions.

Irish_Dem

(52,675 posts)
12. Yes this is the reality.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 03:46 PM
Mar 2024

If Trump is installed again, the GOP fascists will have all three branches of government.
And the media, along with support of the world's autocrats.
And a big chunk of the American people.

I always wondered how the German people let Hitler come to power.
Now I know.

markodochartaigh

(1,455 posts)
21. Milton Mayer, "They Thought They Were Free"
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 04:33 PM
Mar 2024

But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That’s the difficulty. If the last and worst act of the whole regime had come immediately after the first and smallest, thousands, yes, millions would have been sufficiently shocked—if, let us say, the gassing of the Jews in ’43 had come immediately after the ‘German Firm’ stickers on the windows of non-Jewish shops in ’33. But of course this isn’t the way it happens. In between come all the hundreds of little steps, some of them imperceptible, each of them preparing you not to be shocked by the next. Step C is not so much worse than Step B, and, if you did not make a stand at Step B, why should you at Step C? And so on to Step D."

I just hope that the "one great shocking occasion" for the US may have been the Republicans biting off more than they could chew by scuttling Roe v Wade so soon.

Irish_Dem

(52,675 posts)
34. The German people knew the Jews were being gassed and cremated.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 05:20 PM
Mar 2024

The towns where the concentration camps were located had non stop smoke and flakes
of human skin all over the town around the clock.

But yes the steps leading to it are both shocking and incremental.
We have become used to the GOP and Trump crimes and rule violations.
Their acting out in aggressive ways. We become hardened to it.

But yes I am hoping they have gone too far and people will fight back.

We don't know the end of the story yet.

Grins

(7,467 posts)
13. He's wrong.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 03:50 PM
Mar 2024

Where he wrote of "the systematic dismantling of its system of justice and Rule of Law by a single man...."

it's the dismantling of its system of justice and Rule of Law by a single PARTY. You can see this happening by conservatives going back 70-years. Luttig, as a conservative, has to know that.

cayugafalls

(5,735 posts)
47. Judge Luttig's point in my understanding after listening to him on many occasions
Sat Mar 30, 2024, 11:51 AM
Mar 2024

and reading his articles, is that turdumpkin and his minions have done in a few short years what the rethugs have been trying to do for over 70 years.

The last 7 years of complete lawlessness by the orange thing and the obvious avoidance of any justice for it's criminals acts, coupled with it's daily diatribes' that the judicial system is rigged and corrupt, have almost completely and singlehandedly dismantled the trust in the judicial system.

I agree that it was waning, but turdumpkin and the rethugs sped it up with judicial placements, manipulation of the SC and the Shadow Gov of turdumpkin.

This one orange thing has given the rethugs the voice they lacked. The orange thing has made them visible.

Attilatheblond

(2,911 posts)
48. Indeed, Trump is the carefully chosen front man/diversion for the efforts to change US
Sat Mar 30, 2024, 12:06 PM
Mar 2024

Putin isn't the only one who figured how easy it was to manipulate and lead TSF to where they wanted to go. America has Oligarchs too.There are a lot of 'Merchant Princes' who have obscene amount of resources and no national ties. THEY are the problem.

Trump is the magicians assistant, doing gyrations to keep our eyes on him and not the trickery of those fooling us into believing our eyes instead of our minds.
Hell, even TSF thinks he's in charge. His handlers are masterful.

cloudbase

(5,570 posts)
14. The courts haven't done themselves any favors in that regard.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 03:55 PM
Mar 2024

Start with Bush v. Gore and move on from there.

Kid Berwyn

(16,139 posts)
16. Luttig is correct: Trump represents the greatest threat to the Constitution in the nation's history.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 04:00 PM
Mar 2024
But suffice it to say, never in history has any person leveled such attacks and been met with such passivity, acquiescence, and submissiveness by the nation.

Shame on all who sit back and watch, as well as on the orange traitor and ALL of his supporters.

RainCaster

(11,091 posts)
20. I would say that SCOTUS has played a huge part in this
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 04:31 PM
Mar 2024

If not for the ethical rot occurring inside our Supreme Court, TSF would be in jail right now and NY would be selling many properties of his. The RNC would be arguing about which has-been Trump sycophant would make a better candidate.

Scalded Nun

(1,282 posts)
27. Do not give Trump too much credit. Yes, he is using what has been built
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 04:46 PM
Mar 2024

But Mitch McConnell built this house of legal perversion, and if given the opportunity, will continue adding to it, brick by brick.

magicarpet

(15,000 posts)
30. Yes McConnell is the architect - tip toeing in the backdoor
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 05:02 PM
Mar 2024

.... to quietly dump Fascism into our courts - to thank those who made him filthy rich.

Quid pro quo & fuck American Democracy for the cherished shekles.

Hermit-The-Prog

(35,026 posts)
28. The battle is between would-be plutocrats and the rest of us.
Fri Mar 29, 2024, 04:53 PM
Mar 2024

Filthy rich sociopaths have consolidated media outlets, propangandized voters, installed their trained tools into strategic offices, and distorted the functioning of various parts of government -- at all levels -- to protect and enrich themselves instead of most of the governed populace.

cayugafalls

(5,735 posts)
43. One of the greatest minds of this century.
Sat Mar 30, 2024, 11:03 AM
Mar 2024

Judge Luttig’s statements should be a clarion call to all judges across the country.

I hope it resonates and is heeded.

malthaussen

(17,403 posts)
49. I wish we could have a jurist of the caliber of Mr Luttig on the USSC.
Sat Mar 30, 2024, 01:00 PM
Mar 2024

Yeah, he's a conservative, but these days, that makes him positively liberal.

-- Mal

BlueWaveNeverEnd

(8,762 posts)
52. "dismantling of its system of justice and Rule of Law by a single man - the former President of the United States"
Sat Mar 30, 2024, 08:04 PM
Mar 2024

yep

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