Threatening a President is a violation of bail conditions

[deminks]

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BREAKING: Trump is out on bail in 4 criminal cases. He posted a photo of the president bound, gagged, and shot. Threatening a president is a federal crime and also a violation of bail release conditions. Time for courts to act.

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Not free speech, not campaign speech, not a joke. A federal crime, a violation of bail. Enough is enough.

[Emile]

1. Arrest the pos and keep him locked up until

his trials begin.

[SergeStorms]

11. And shove one of his....

stupid bibles in his mouth to keep him quiet. 😤

[SledDriver]

46. Would be curious to see which delay tactics he employs while sitting in jail

How many appeals of appeals will he file then? Just gonna sit in a cell waiting for the SCOTUS to rule?

[spanone]

2. The justice system has deemed trmp above the law

or so it appears.

[chicoescuela]

48. 1000% right, nothing is going to happen to tsf

[Voltaire2]

3. While disqualifying in a normal society

this does not qualify as a criminal offense.

[Hope22]

7. I feel like someone else should try it...

…and see where it gets them.

[Voltaire2]

20. The kidnapped Biden decal is available online

and has been for years.

[Hope22]

36. At this point we are talking about a threat made to the actual president...

By a person who is deranged and has successfully called his followers from across the country to attack and and dismantle the official election process of the US government. People were killed, millions of damage was caused and quite possibly a fatal blow to our democracy has been dealt. This guy is all out of free passes. Bumper stickers are NOT official written directives to the brain washed masses. We need to be done with excuses as to why the SS will not deal with this real threat. If their hands are tied then Biden is most certainly not safe. No more f-ing excuses. The average Joe would get a visit were the threats of this magnitude!

[Voltaire2]

49. So the truck owner with that decal on it

is not breaking the law, but Trump liking a picture of that guy’s truck is?

[Hope22]

61. I'll take Joyce's word for it...

https://joycevance.substack.com/p/we-need-to-talk-about-this

[Roy Rolling]

75. Manufactured Image

Whoever mass-produced the image so that some ne’er-do-well plastered it on a pickup truck is culpable.

Making profit from the image needs to be rectified immediately.

[bullimiami]

33. But violating bail conditions is a much lower bar.

It doesn’t require a new crime.

[Voltaire2]

50. his bail conditions prohibit his liking

a picture of a truck with the ‘kidnapped Biden’ decal?

I did not know that.

[Shipwack]

74. Try telling that to the agents that investigated Kathy Griffin. nt

[Emile]

4. Under 18 U.S. Code § 871, threatening the President is a Class E felony.

The maximum sentence is 5 years in federal prison, a $250,000 fine, 3 years of supervised release, and a $100 special assessment.

[Voltaire2]

10. It has to be an explicit threat.

Not some shitty innuendo.

[Emile]

13. Trump stated clearly and in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt

by posting a video of the president depicting him tied up, shot in the head and lying on his side. Tump is regularly inciting political violence to the point where some people don't even consider it a crime anymore.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

14. This subliminal message has been transmitted...

If this is not taken as a threat, what then does it constitute?

[Voltaire2]

18. whatever it constitutes it does not constitute

a knowing and credible explicit threat.
“For instance, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit held that a threat was knowingly made if the speaker comprehended the meaning of the words uttered by him or her. It was willingly made if, in addition to comprehending the words' meaning, the speaker voluntarily and intentionally uttered them as a declaration of apparent determination to carry them into execution.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threatening_the_president_of_the_United_States

He carefully avoids the ‘willing’ part by not stating that he is going to kidnap Biden. There is no crime here.

[onenote]

31. Correct.

Posting the video, which briefly shows a truck with the offensive image on it, doesn't come close to constituting a "threat". Moreover, the photo that shows Trump giving a thumb's up in front of screen grab of the image on the truck, wasn't created by or posted by Trump. As far as I can tell, Medias Touch created that to encourage clicks.

[triron]

34. This is legal mumbo jumbo.

A reason why democracy is in so much danger.

[Voltaire2]

47. I don't really know what that means, but there is a

conflict between 1st amendment rights and laws against ‘making threats’ that is generally resolved by requiring the threat to be explicit and credible. Defining ‘explicit and credible’ is of course difficult and frequently subjective, perhaps this is where your ‘mumbo-jumbo’ is?

[paleotn]

38. That's the tricky part. What is and what isn't and where's the line.

[thesquanderer]

51. but OTOH, Kathy Griffin got a visit from the FBI for posing with a severed Trump head. (nt)

[Voltaire2]

55. And they determined no credible threat.

She was charged with nothing.

[thesquanderer]

57. Yes, but I wouldn't mind seeing the FBI show up at Trump's doorstep. (Again.)

Plus Trump's rabid following make his provocations more of a threat. He needs to read his Spiderman and learn that with great power comes great responsibility.

[Voltaire2]

58. I agree with that.

[3Hotdogs]

5. It was a joke. Don'tja get it? It was the biggliest, funniest joke that was ever joked.

Fukkin' lib'tards.

[dchill]

23. Freeze Peach!

[2naSalit]

6. AMEN to that!

[Dorn]

8. Of course DT can threaten Biden, DT is rich and has different laws.

Grow up and accept that if you or I did it we'd be arrested, we are vessels. DT isn't and won't be punished.

[AllaN01Bear]

15. the just us system.

[Zeitghost]

69. It's the same standard for everyone

The decals he liked on social media are available on the internet for sale, people publicly display them all the time and nobody is in jail.

Presidents have been hung in effigy during every administration. There are plenty of other examples of similar imagery I'm sure we have all seen. And it's all protected political speech.

[Patton French]

9. Not holding my breath.... NT

[AllaN01Bear]

12. violation of law.

[Autumn]

16. Unless you happen to be Donald Trump. The courts will do nothing about it.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

17. There is a place in HELL for people like TSF.

Take him seriously of suffer at your own peril.

For his cult members are STUPID enough to carry out such orders. I mean so much as Jan 6th crying out "HANG MIKE PENCE" with a noose was not specific enough, I do not know what is.

[triron]

35. Where is our Genie?

[birdographer]

19. Ha ha good one

"Time for the courts to act." Yeah, wasn't that a year ago or so? And a month after that? And then the next month? And then last month? And last week?

If the courts "acted," he would have been jailed a long time ago. Good joke, Weissmann.

[KS Toronado]

21. Can we take the video tsf posted and superimpose tsf's head on it instead of Biden's

and spread it like wildfire on social media? What's FQX gonna say....Liberals stole a video?

[Justice matters.]

39. We can, but you and I, we would get arrested, tried, convicted and jailed.

But not the criminal-defendant-hitler2 wannabe rapist. Never.

The Just Us system... What a country!

If "something bad" happens, let's hope those who could have done something and chose to do nothing will have troubles finding sleep each night.

[Voltaire2]

53. Nonsense. The kidnapped Biden truck decal

has been available online for years and nobody has been charged with a crime, because it isn’t criminal. It does not constitute a credible threat.

[onenote]

54. Is that what happened to Kathy Griffin?

Hyperbole seems to be the order of the day.

[Zeitghost]

70. No you wouldn't

People have displayed countless images, props, memes and other forms of similar expressions about every president and nobody goes to jail.

Google Trump hung in effigy or Bush hung in effigy and you will find plenty of examples.

It is protected political speech.

[benfranklin1776]

22. Damn right.

I remember when a man in a bar was arrested for an idle comment in a bar during Dumbya’s maladministration referring to a “burning bush” and received 37 months in prison. And he wasn’t out on bail for crimes against the American people and leading an insurrection against the subject of his threat!!

https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2002/12/15/15510741.php

This is far worse and most assuredly is an overt threat and should be treated as such, with severity. Judge Walton is correct-it’s time for the judicial system to step up and treat him as it would anyone else similarly situated. 🤬😡

[Farmer-Rick]

24. Stochastic Terrorism

Painted on a truck tailgate and amplified in a video posted by the stinking Nazi.

How devious.

[Baitball Blogger]

25. He's breaking us slowly. Preparing us to accept his dictatorship.

This is why those crazy white men that don't believe in personal responsibility love him.

[bigtree]

30. I don't think he's breaking us at all

...he's still facing two-multi-felony federal indictments.

We're not. See how that works?

[triron]

37. Or doesn't.

[Harmony Starshine]

62. Most Democrats don't cave that easily

Just sayin

[liberal N proud]

26. In a normal world, he would be in jail already

But we have long departed from normal

[dlk]

27. Lock him up

Especially because of his mob connections. His kid glove treatment has gone too far.

[sop]

28. "Time for courts to act."

Oh, please.

[jaxexpat]

29. Trump will probably slide on this because sane people trust civilization more than they fear the mob.

In an odd way, this is about faith and its antithesis expressed in Trump's behavior. Democrats have faith in democratic principles. Faith that in a democratic republic the laws of the people are just and enduring but evolving. They understand each generation of voters represents an investment based on that faith, a trust given to them by past generations on behalf of future generations. It is difficult to imagine a cult of personality commanding the Democratic party.

Trump is consumed by self-interest to extents few have ever witnessed. That's the reason MAGA's consumption with Trump is so alien to us. Those MAGA folks don't understand what they're seeing. They've never even considered the possibility of such a creature. They've little to no imagination beyond their gullibly suggestible fantasies. Trump knows he has these people where he wants them, where he can use them. He may not appreciate of even understand the downside of that equation as their numbers dwindle. He will fail miserably because that's all he knows how to do. We may have faith in that.

[NJCher]

41. It appears to be a quagmire that we must work ourselves out of

Faith that in a democratic republic the laws of the people are just and enduring but evolving.

++So if Voltaire is correct and there is no crime here, then the law needs to evolve to cover these situations.

I think in the case of TSF, these things were never imagined because we've (meaning the U.S.) never had a mentally ill person in such a position before.

We have laws to cover abusive behavior in other situations, like abusive spouses. One can get a protection order from a judge if that occurs.

We don't have anything like that for candidates for an office, but as we see one entire party decline in levels of intelligence, maturity, and decency, it appears this will be necessary.

The problem is: there are enough of them in power to prevent it!

I think this is truly a dilemma unforeseen by the founding fathers and this is one area where our government is vastly deficient, deficient to the point where it is threatening to the entire structure.

I do, however, appreciate your last paragraph and agree there is hope that we can dig ourselves out of this quagmire.

[jaxexpat]

52. It will be up to the voters to rectify the situation.

Through their ballots, hopefully, but I could not rule out the need for other means if MAGA and friends refuse to accept the will of the majority. So far, the rules have been sorely bent by these shameless people with some assistance from the DOJ. Though interpretation of the constitution over time has insulated the AG, somewhat, from the executive, I sincerely hope the military is not similarly "double minded". Their constitutional relationship to the executive is clear, they are "other ranks" whereas the executive is CIC.

[Martin68]

40. Lock. Him. Up.

[Silent Type]

42. If folks are going to get all excited everytime the POS trump does something like this, it's going to be a long 8 months

to election.

It won't gain us one vote, nor will they lock trump up for this kind of junk.

[Zilli]

43. with every attack that results in zero consequences

I am clobbered with the blatant truth that this man is so far above the law that there is a daily demonstration of his godhood. His vitriol is normalized by MSM and there are no limits to his depravity.

[dlk]

44. What doesn't get discussed often enough is that Trump is mobbed up

The death threats against those Trump sees as his enemies aren't given enough attention. To successfully prosecute this monster/mobster, plans should have been made at the outset about how and where to incarcerate him. It can be done, but it takes planning ahead. Trump will only continue ramping up his dangerous and threatening behavior until he's behind bars, minus a phone to post with.

[flying_wahini]

45. Not gonna happen. Trump is outside of any repercussions, don't you know?

The judicial system is gonna give him another chance. After all they don’t want to start a MAGA war.

[Turbineguy]

56. I wonder if being in jail would affect

his delay, delay, delay tactic.

[BWdem4life]

59. Stroke out already, you...

I don't know the rest

[republianmushroom]

60. "Time for courts to act", your joking.

The name is trump, donald trump. Laws for donald trump are enforced differently than those for
other citizens.

[bdamomma]

63. I think

we need a big presence in the streets. This is like a boiling pot just waiting to blow.

[Xavier Breath]

64. For mere mortals I'm sure it is. n/t

[Hikerchick57]

65. Totally, the FBI should be knocking on his door. This is just obscene!

[Gore1FL]

66. "Revoke Trump's Bail" is a nice short slogan for a bumper sticker. nt

[malaise]

67. It is way past time to

Lock him up

That is all

[orangecrush]

68. Wake me up

When he is arrested and jailed.

[Dave Bowman]

72. At the pace this is going, when you wake up...

We'll all be driving flying cars.

[orangecrush]

73. As a kid

They told me I'd have my Jetson car by 2000.

We know how that turned out.

[Seinan Sensei]

71. Would it be illegal to dox the POS who put that decal on his truck?

[LetMyPeopleVote]

76. Revoke TFG's bail

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[LetMyPeopleVote]

77. "The U.S. Secret Service released a statement saying it "does not confirm or comment on matters of protective intelligen

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