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BREAKING: Trump is out on bail in 4 criminal cases. He posted a photo of the president bound, gagged, and shot. Threatening a president is a federal crime and also a violation of bail release conditions. Time for courts to act.
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Not free speech, not campaign speech, not a joke. A federal crime, a violation of bail. Enough is enough.
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Emile
(24,310 posts)his trials begin.
SergeStorms
(19,217 posts)stupid bibles in his mouth to keep him quiet. 😤
Hiawatha Pete
(1,831 posts)SledDriver
(2,062 posts)How many appeals of appeals will he file then? Just gonna sit in a cell waiting for the SCOTUS to rule?
spanone
(136,254 posts)or so it appears.
chicoescuela
(1,067 posts)Voltaire2
(13,728 posts)this does not qualify as a criminal offense.
Hope22
(2,003 posts)and see where it gets them.
Voltaire2
(13,728 posts)and has been for years.
Hope22
(2,003 posts)By a person who is deranged and has successfully called his followers from across the country to attack and and dismantle the official election process of the US government. People were killed, millions of damage was caused and quite possibly a fatal blow to our democracy has been dealt. This guy is all out of free passes. Bumper stickers are NOT official written directives to the brain washed masses. We need to be done with excuses as to why the SS will not deal with this real threat. If their hands are tied then Biden is most certainly not safe. No more f-ing excuses. The average Joe would get a visit were the threats of this magnitude!
Voltaire2
(13,728 posts)is not breaking the law, but Trump liking a picture of that guys truck is?
Hope22
(2,003 posts)Roy Rolling
(6,984 posts)Whoever mass-produced the image so that some neer-do-well plastered it on a pickup truck is culpable.
Making profit from the image needs to be rectified immediately.
bullimiami
(13,209 posts)It doesnt require a new crime.
Voltaire2
(13,728 posts)a picture of a truck with the kidnapped Biden decal?
I did not know that.
Shipwack
(2,231 posts)Emile
(24,310 posts)The maximum sentence is 5 years in federal prison, a $250,000 fine, 3 years of supervised release, and a $100 special assessment.
Voltaire2
(13,728 posts)Not some shitty innuendo.
Emile
(24,310 posts)by posting a video of the president depicting him tied up, shot in the head and lying on his side. Tump is regularly inciting political violence to the point where some people don't even consider it a crime anymore.
ProudMNDemocrat
(17,283 posts)If this is not taken as a threat, what then does it constitute?
Voltaire2
(13,728 posts)a knowing and credible explicit threat.
For instance, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit held that a threat was knowingly made if the speaker comprehended the meaning of the words uttered by him or her. It was willingly made if, in addition to comprehending the words' meaning, the speaker voluntarily and intentionally uttered them as a declaration of apparent determination to carry them into execution.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threatening_the_president_of_the_United_States
He carefully avoids the willing part by not stating that he is going to kidnap Biden. There is no crime here.
onenote
(43,265 posts)Posting the video, which briefly shows a truck with the offensive image on it, doesn't come close to constituting a "threat". Moreover, the photo that shows Trump giving a thumb's up in front of screen grab of the image on the truck, wasn't created by or posted by Trump. As far as I can tell, Medias Touch created that to encourage clicks.
triron
(22,111 posts)A reason why democracy is in so much danger.
Voltaire2
(13,728 posts)conflict between 1st amendment rights and laws against making threats that is generally resolved by requiring the threat to be explicit and credible. Defining explicit and credible is of course difficult and frequently subjective, perhaps this is where your mumbo-jumbo is?
paleotn
(18,173 posts)thesquanderer
(12,058 posts)Voltaire2
(13,728 posts)She was charged with nothing.
thesquanderer
(12,058 posts)Plus Trump's rabid following make his provocations more of a threat. He needs to read his Spiderman and learn that with great power comes great responsibility.
Voltaire2
(13,728 posts)3Hotdogs
(12,686 posts)Fukkin' lib'tards.
dchill
(38,744 posts)2naSalit
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Dorn
(535 posts)Grow up and accept that if you or I did it we'd be arrested, we are vessels. DT isn't and won't be punished.
AllaN01Bear
(19,986 posts)Zeitghost
(3,975 posts)The decals he liked on social media are available on the internet for sale, people publicly display them all the time and nobody is in jail.
Presidents have been hung in effigy during every administration. There are plenty of other examples of similar imagery I'm sure we have all seen. And it's all protected political speech.
Patton French
(831 posts)AllaN01Bear
(19,986 posts)Autumn
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ProudMNDemocrat
(17,283 posts)Take him seriously of suffer at your own peril.
For his cult members are STUPID enough to carry out such orders. I mean so much as Jan 6th crying out "HANG MIKE PENCE" with a noose was not specific enough, I do not know what is.
triron
(22,111 posts)birdographer
(1,460 posts)"Time for the courts to act." Yeah, wasn't that a year ago or so? And a month after that? And then the next month? And then last month? And last week?
If the courts "acted," he would have been jailed a long time ago. Good joke, Weissmann.
KS Toronado
(17,892 posts)and spread it like wildfire on social media? What's FQX gonna say....Liberals stole a video?
Justice matters.
(7,007 posts)But not the criminal-defendant-hitler2 wannabe rapist. Never.
The Just Us system... What a country!
If "something bad" happens, let's hope those who could have done something and chose to do nothing will have troubles finding sleep each night.
Voltaire2
(13,728 posts)has been available online for years and nobody has been charged with a crime, because it isnt criminal. It does not constitute a credible threat.
onenote
(43,265 posts)Hyperbole seems to be the order of the day.
Zeitghost
(3,975 posts)People have displayed countless images, props, memes and other forms of similar expressions about every president and nobody goes to jail.
Google Trump hung in effigy or Bush hung in effigy and you will find plenty of examples.
It is protected political speech.
benfranklin1776
(6,483 posts)I remember when a man in a bar was arrested for an idle comment in a bar during Dumbyas maladministration referring to a burning bush and received 37 months in prison. And he wasnt out on bail for crimes against the American people and leading an insurrection against the subject of his threat!!
https://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2002/12/15/15510741.php
This is far worse and most assuredly is an overt threat and should be treated as such, with severity. Judge Walton is correct-its time for the judicial system to step up and treat him as it would anyone else similarly situated. 🤬😡
Farmer-Rick
(10,400 posts)Painted on a truck tailgate and amplified in a video posted by the stinking Nazi.
How devious.
Baitball Blogger
(46,958 posts)This is why those crazy white men that don't believe in personal responsibility love him.
bigtree
(86,318 posts)...he's still facing two-multi-felony federal indictments.
We're not. See how that works?
triron
(22,111 posts)Harmony Starshine
(12 posts)Just sayin
liberal N proud
(60,421 posts)But we have long departed from normal
dlk
(11,709 posts)Especially because of his mob connections. His kid glove treatment has gone too far.
sop
(10,637 posts)Oh, please.
jaxexpat
(7,062 posts)In an odd way, this is about faith and its antithesis expressed in Trump's behavior. Democrats have faith in democratic principles. Faith that in a democratic republic the laws of the people are just and enduring but evolving. They understand each generation of voters represents an investment based on that faith, a trust given to them by past generations on behalf of future generations. It is difficult to imagine a cult of personality commanding the Democratic party.
Trump is consumed by self-interest to extents few have ever witnessed. That's the reason MAGA's consumption with Trump is so alien to us. Those MAGA folks don't understand what they're seeing. They've never even considered the possibility of such a creature. They've little to no imagination beyond their gullibly suggestible fantasies. Trump knows he has these people where he wants them, where he can use them. He may not appreciate of even understand the downside of that equation as their numbers dwindle. He will fail miserably because that's all he knows how to do. We may have faith in that.
NJCher
(36,122 posts)++So if Voltaire is correct and there is no crime here, then the law needs to evolve to cover these situations.
I think in the case of TSF, these things were never imagined because we've (meaning the U.S.) never had a mentally ill person in such a position before.
We have laws to cover abusive behavior in other situations, like abusive spouses. One can get a protection order from a judge if that occurs.
We don't have anything like that for candidates for an office, but as we see one entire party decline in levels of intelligence, maturity, and decency, it appears this will be necessary.
The problem is: there are enough of them in power to prevent it!
I think this is truly a dilemma unforeseen by the founding fathers and this is one area where our government is vastly deficient, deficient to the point where it is threatening to the entire structure.
I do, however, appreciate your last paragraph and agree there is hope that we can dig ourselves out of this quagmire.
jaxexpat
(7,062 posts)Through their ballots, hopefully, but I could not rule out the need for other means if MAGA and friends refuse to accept the will of the majority. So far, the rules have been sorely bent by these shameless people with some assistance from the DOJ. Though interpretation of the constitution over time has insulated the AG, somewhat, from the executive, I sincerely hope the military is not similarly "double minded". Their constitutional relationship to the executive is clear, they are "other ranks" whereas the executive is CIC.
Martin68
(23,459 posts)Silent Type
(3,544 posts)to election.
It won't gain us one vote, nor will they lock trump up for this kind of junk.
Zilli
(200 posts)I am clobbered with the blatant truth that this man is so far above the law that there is a daily demonstration of his godhood. His vitriol is normalized by MSM and there are no limits to his depravity.
dlk
(11,709 posts)The death threats against those Trump sees as his enemies aren't given enough attention. To successfully prosecute this monster/mobster, plans should have been made at the outset about how and where to incarcerate him. It can be done, but it takes planning ahead. Trump will only continue ramping up his dangerous and threatening behavior until he's behind bars, minus a phone to post with.
flying_wahini
(6,876 posts)The judicial system is gonna give him another chance. After all they dont want to start a MAGA war.
Turbineguy
(37,571 posts)his delay, delay, delay tactic.
BWdem4life
(1,807 posts)I don't know the rest
republianmushroom
(14,697 posts)The name is trump, donald trump. Laws for donald trump are enforced differently than those for
other citizens.
bdamomma
(64,144 posts)we need a big presence in the streets. This is like a boiling pot just waiting to blow.
Xavier Breath
(3,816 posts)Hikerchick57
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Gore1FL
(21,252 posts)malaise
(270,797 posts)Lock him up
That is all
orangecrush
(19,900 posts)When he is arrested and jailed.
Dave Bowman
(2,088 posts)We'll all be driving flying cars.
orangecrush
(19,900 posts)They told me I'd have my Jetson car by 2000.
We know how that turned out.