Black US Flag

[maptap22]

My neighbor is flying an all black US flag. Looks like it is a "no quarter" flag. Should I be worried? I did not think he was a trumper but looks like this is an alt-right thing right now. ??
I am a veteran and I get really upset when people fly these altered US flags - it seems very disrespectful.
This same neighbor wanted to buy my deceased husbands truck a few years back...now I am sooooo glad that I said no.

[maptap22]

4. No where in my post did I say he did not have the right.

[jimfields33]

29. Call the cops. At least he'll be on the radar.

How many times after an event do we hear from neighbors, “ he was quiet and kept to himself.” Don’t be a statistic.

[aeromanKC]

46. Cops? Wouldn't be surprised if he's one of them.

Today's cops have turned into a fascist organization with MAGA leanings

[jimfields33]

71. Still call. It's for her own good.

[marble falls]

73. Got a problem with free speech? There's no law against a black flag, RW poser's or an anarchist's ...

... they can carry any flag they want. I encourage them. I want to know who and where they are.

[Polybius]

88. That's horrible advice

Call the cops for a neighbor flying a black flag? It's not the Nazi flag. Even if it were, there's nothing they can do.

[niyad]

14. What flavour pizza do you prefer?

[GoneOffShore]

43. Ah, I see what you did there.

I still have that graphic and use it on Quora all the time.

[niyad]

67. I see that that one lasted about as long as I thought it would.

I do love pizza delivery!

[Lulu KC]

91. I don't get this reference

But I'm starting to recognize when you use it and I'm thinking the same thing! A little freaky.

[Brother Buzz]

92. .

[Lulu KC]

93. Yes!

Thank you. I had to do a search but found it. Very handy. Comic relief prevails!

[Brother Buzz]

94. I often post it post-mortem for clarification

[ms liberty]

32. Read your US Flag Code.

Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay.

[BobTheSubgenius]

90. I want to slap that Flag Code into every one of those MAGIDIOTS that think wearing the flag is so patriotic.

I am not sure just how disrespecting the flag is patriotic, but I am as sure as I can be that they have no answer for that, either.

[lildDemz]

39. Look it up.

What does the flag stand for? Seems to be connected to white supremacy. Should I be worried?

[edisdead]

41. Seriously?

People have the right to say all sorts of things that should send red flags up and have you on notice.

[blm]

2. I have a couple in my neighborhood, too.

Yes - it means they will show no mercy.

[rampartc]

26. it means they have no intention of losing in november

and the election is just this century's excuse for political violence.

"it is god's will"

[WhiskeyGrinder]

3. Worried about what?

[Emile]

5. The alt-right fly these flags to show their

willingness to use violence to get their way.

[Think. Again.]

10. Absolutely no one should 'accept' threats of violence as simply a viewpoint.

[Emile]

11. As a veteran I'm offended. I have no interest

in comforting a traitor.

[JustAnotherGen]

15. No -

Within the Democratic Party we Democratics have disagreements which we solve through discussion, debate, and compromise.

Not violence or threats of violence. That flag has come to be known as a "No Quarter For The Enemy" flag.

Guess what? You are their enemy - through no fault of your own.

They've shown us they can believe absurdities - and those who believe the absurd will commit atrocities. Voltaire got it right. We saw it on January 6th - and more recently - the violent attack against Mr. Pelosi.

[maptap22]

16. Absolutely NOT. I do NOT accept someone's viewpoint if they are racist,

homophobic, misogynist, anti-everything I believe in. No no no.

And if he is flying this flag that stands for all the hate that the alt-right spews then he has labelled himself and quite proudly.

[LuckyCharms]

17. No. There's plenty of people and viewpoints I don't accept.

[Torchlight]

18. Sounds serious

Good luck

[WhiskeyGrinder]

19. "As democrats arent we supposed to be accepting of all people and viewpoints?"

Lol fuck no

[niyad]

20. So, according to you, I, as a Democrat and woman, should embrace

those fucking, woman- hating, misogynist assholes who want to deny my autonomy, and threaten me with murder for exercising my autonomy? The list is endless.

Enjoy your, no doubt brief, stay.

[Niagara]

21. Democratic

[2naSalit]

30. A...

Tattletale sign, 'eh?

[Niagara]

38. Yep!

[Aristus]

54. Yep.

The sign may as well be in flashing neon letters.

[MontanaMama]

86. Indeed.

It’s always a tell.

[Tree-Hugger]

22. LOL...no

You do realize that MAGAts believe quite a few different groups of people don't deserve to exist, don't you? Why would a normal person accept that viewpoint?

[rampartc]

27. it really sets us up as losers

i don't want to win by violence or deceit.

but they can not be allowed to win by such means. again.

[Tanuki]

35. "We" democrats lol. Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay.

🍕🍕🍕🍕

[waddirum]

42. Eff that noise

I don’t accept fascist nazi viewpoints.

[edisdead]

44. Oh now I see. Enjoy your stay here.

[PatSeg]

45. What a truly strange thing to say

The poster was just expressing concern that the neighbor might be a possible threat. That said, before a person commits an act of violence, there are often warning signs and hopefully observant people notice.

I would be concerned if someone like that lived next door to me. In recent years, we've seen what disturbed people are capable of and I wouldn't take that lightly.

[RandomNumbers]

51. Um, no. Where'd you get that? I don't accept the viewpoint that some people are "less than".

That is a HARD STOP.

When I took a VERY BRIEF excursion into the meaning of the flag via the google, I found very quickly that it means "no mercy" will be given to "the enemy". Who is "the enemy"? And in what sense does a citizen of the U.S. get to choose when "no mercy" will be given?

We have a system of LAWS and COURTS. People taking the law into their own hands is half the problem of violence in this country.

Does someone raising this flag really believe there will come a time here, when they can carry out the meaning of that flag, and not face the justice system themselves, presumably for murder?

(and yes I realize, such a time already existed in this country. Most of us don't need to look up "lynching".)

[HAB911]

6. IMO it's an abomination

but I don't think you have anything to worry about. Your neighbor probably thinks he's a patriot and police supporter. However I would not confront them about it.

[rampartc]

31. they all"self identify" as patriots and christians.

who support the constitution and protect southern womanhood. just ask one.

of course, they also believe trump weighs 215 pounds and owns americ's nuclear secrets. can you remind me of why we can't reprogram these guys like "clockwork orange?"

[Aristus]

56. Because that would make us the bad guys.

Alex was a horrible human being. But forcing him through conditioned response to do good robbed him of his human right to make choices.

In the end, literally, Alex chose to give up his life of crime and be a better person.

We have no hope of making MAGAts into better people. But we can make the right choice at the ballot box, and render them irrelevant.

[brush]

7. At lease you now know where he stands. He's the last neighbor to seek help from.

Best to be wary of him.

[Think. Again.]

9. For my safety's sake...

...I assume that anyone flying this black flag are announcing their intention to be violent when they believe the time has come to physically fight for trump, a decision to be made by them based on his inuendo (such as creating a bloodbath if he loses) or outright statements (such as "fight like hell" on Jan 6th.).

I do not take that warning lightly, as incompetent as they may be, if they armed they can be extremely dangerous.

[mountain grammy]

12. It's creepy and yes the sentiment behind these

Symbols is violence. It’s also desecration of the flag in my opinion. I can understand your worries about this.

[Farmer-Rick]

13. It's another way for the cowards to appear tough

They like to think it means they are all so tough ready for a fight to the death. But it's all bark and no bite.

It's been around at least since 2021. I see them all the time and none of the fools I've seen who fly them have done anything more than mouth off to like minded Stinking Nazi lovers.

As this guy put it in 2021: "The all-black American flags being flown by so-called local patriots apparently means “no quarter given” and may even imply a willingness to use (lethal) violence against perceived enemies, essentially any non-Trumper who threatens their washed out, retrograde vision of what the U.S. is supposed to look like, how they believe democracy is supposed to function, or what they think freedom is."

https://www.phillyburbs.com/story/opinion/2021/10/27/mychalejko-why-your-neighbor-flying-all-black-american-flag/8565341002/

[PatSeg]

37. "It's all bark and no bite"

Yes, this is true in the majority of cases, but often the most dangerous people among us are described by neighbors as, "I was shocked as he was always so quiet and polite". At least in this case, he is advertising who he is so maybe he is just trying to appear tough. Meanwhile, I understand why any neighbor might be concerned.

[Farmer-Rick]

52. Yeah, it's always best

To be cautious with these idiots who support the stinking Nazi. I think all of them, not just the ones with black flags displayed around them, are crazy. And crazy people are unpredictable.

[PatSeg]

63. Yes, there is something about them

that just isn't right and now they can be a part of a group of like-minded people, which makes them more likely to be dangerous. They've found their tribe of crazies, people who have their back and confirm their violent tendencies.

[marble falls]

23. Could be an anarchist. I want RWers all flying the flags they want. I want to know where they all are.

[niyad]

70. There is a house that I pass frequently that had the gadsden flag and

the let's go brandon ( with the FU Biden inclusion), and now has a t#### 2024 banner on his fence. I sent him a note when I saw the first banners, thanking him. I said it was very thoughtful of him to let the neighbors know where the traitors live. Not that it would influence him in any way, just wanted him to know not everyone agrees with him, especially in this bluer section of town.

[marble falls]

74. That's good! Part of the reason they feel so enabled is because we've become a silent majority. We need to let ...

... them know we're here and we push back.

[NoMoreRepugs]

24. Jerkoffs like this can't afford a flashy sports car so flying an I'M A

TOUGH GUY flag is their penis extender.

[2naSalit]

40. Yup...

Weenie-waving is the way they show their strength, see it all the time. Have some black flaggers next door. They are currently on a campaign to get the young black man, who recently moved in next to them, kicked out of his housing like they did to me last summer. Thinks I'm not white. They recently claimed the Black guy has been stealing packages off the front porch and she has it on her Ring camera, I think she's making it up. That whore has no problem accosting me on my doorstep when she feels the urge.

Best to watch your back around them, they are advertising their sense of inadequacy and aim to prove it when the opportunity arises. Some see themselves as self-appointed authorities of something, do beware.

[niyad]

68. Exactly!

[J_William_Ryan]

25. "As democrats, aren't we supposed to be accepting of all people and viewpoints?"

Yes.

We’re also supposed to speak out against and denounce the right’s advocacy of intimidation, lawlessness, and violence.

[niyad]

77. Actually, we do NOT have to accept the views of those who want to kill

us, and to destroy our democracy.

[Lulu KC]

28. I'm creeped out by the one you-know-who flag in the neighborhood

This one would take it to another level.

[lark]

33. One of the guys about 1/2 mile from the house was flying a black American flag for about a year.

He lost 2 jobs during that year (we could tell by the loss of the company trucks) and the black flag is no longer flying. We are glad we don't have to walk by that every day anymore and wonder if his Boogaloo Bois ways got him in trouble and now he's learned something? He's still a weirdo and exercises in his front yard with his top off even when it's cool.

[birdographer]

34. I'd arrange to be somewhere else

when voting day in November rolls around... Because his lord and savior is going to lose. Again.

[ebne90]

36. talk to him then...

Tell him why it bothers you (which I totally get..). He may surprise you.
If not.. now you know to stay away from him.

[2naSalit]

48. Know what they say about your feelings?

[Hope22]

53. Ummm...no

From what I’ve read this can be a ‘warning’ that this person is prepared to use violence to defend a point of view. People who disrespect the flag can not be reasoned with. They are the only humans on the earth. The rest are potential targets. What it breaks down to is this person has all of the rights. If a neighbor were to put up a flag or sign of a different philosophy they could be subject to retaliation. Our political signs for a presidential candidate were shot at a week after they burned another to the ground. Hence we keep our choices to ourselves void having a bullet through the house. That’s the way bullying works.

[Think. Again.]

55. I do NOT recommend confronting him, even politely...

...he has put out a clear indication that he intends to use violence against others, do not endanger yourself

[niyad]

75. What flavour pizza do you prefer?

[hunter]

47. Your neighbor is simply too timid to fly a Nazi swastika.

Gently remind them that the Nazis lost, and that Confederate flags are for losers too.

They'll not-so-subtly start talking about their guns, of course, but they probably won't shoot you.

[Think. Again.]

57. I disagree, do NOT put youself in danger.

[niyad]

76. Absolutely NOT!!! It is f'n dangerous to attempt to interact with those

who self-identify as violent and crazy!

[hunter]

101. I have a knife scar on my arm that reminds me that it's not always a good idea...

... to say the first thing that pops into my head, especially to people who self-identify as violent and crazy.

I've been directly threatened by people holding guns too.

So maybe I ought to know better.

When I was a kid I witnessed my mom in full berserker mode a few times. I once saw her grab a gun out of some fool's hands, expertly unload it, and smash it against a nearby boulder.

Years later she told me that we are pacifists in our family by necessity, not by any natural inclination.

From my personal experiences as a young man I found this to be true.

There are, of course more subtle ways to express one's disapproval of flags flown by hypocrites and cowards -- just about anything that demonstrates you're not a member of their club and you won't be intimidated.

We all need to push back against bullies as best we are able, loudly or quietly. Every little bit helps.

[SocialDemocrat61]

49. Buy a bigger rainbow pride flag

and start flying it.

[mucifer]

59. Someone got murdered doing that. It's very scary these days.

https://apnews.com/article/pride-flag-store-shooting-california-b2bd4f89e992356f35d2101cdf665acb

It's horrible.

I'm not saying don't fly a Rainbow Flag.

I'm just saying I am very worried about our future and our safety. I know that is what they want, our fear.

[maptap22]

66. Yes I remember that.

And it happened in CA…I’m in FL. 😳

[Celerity]

80. California Pride Flag Suspected Killer Had Hateful Online Presence

https://www.advocate.com/crime/california-pride-killer-online-history



A suspected gunman, who police say shot a Southern California business owner for displaying a Pride flag supporting the LGBTQ+ community, had an extensive social media presence rife with anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric and violent imagery.

Travis Ikeguchi allegedly fired upon 66-year-old Laura “Lauri” Ann Carleton on Friday after going on a homophobic tirade as he railed against her boutique’s display of a Pride flag, a San Bernadino County Sherriff’s spokesperson said during a Monday press conference.

Once he had killed the owner of Mag.Pi, Ikeguchi fled and was promptly embroiled in an altercation with police. After exchanging shots with responding police officers, Ikeguchi was killed. His extensive online presence included bigoted language towards the LGBTQ+ community, according to police officials.

The Advocate found that an X — formerly known as Twitter — account that seems to match Ikeguchi posted anti-LGBTQ+ bigotry incessantly and was highly opposed to abortion. There has been no confirmation of Ikeguchi’s identity on social media pages, but an X account with his full name was created in 2015.

snip

Laura Carleton’s killer was the son of a decorated police officer

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/travis-ikeguchi-father-laura-carleton-b2397538.html

[Farmer-Rick]

61. Oh yes, this

My neighbor use to fly a Confederate flag. Their house sits behind my house about half a mile away. So I flew the rainbow flag on my chicken coop. No one but them and I could see it.

When they took theirs down, I took mine down. They don't fly it anymore.

[progressoid]

100. A friend of ours did this.

Neighbor across the street bought a big new Trump flag so she and her husband decided to get a rainbow flag. Now they also put signs in their yard just to piss him off.

[oldmanlynn]

50. Just dont let this weak threat cause us to not VOTE

I think they are weak. Some will commit violence but most will not and will remember the jan 6 maga insurrectionist that are in jail.

Dont be afraid to vote

[maptap22]

62. I check my voter registration on a monthly basis.

No one will keep me from voting. PS I’m in Florida. 😞

[Efilroft Sul]

58. This is why I encourage people to walk their neighborhood streets to make note of where the crazies live.

Weather's getting warmer, and we all could use the exercise. It's as good excuse as any to do recon.

[CrispyQ]

60. Hang an American flag in your window upside down.

But seriously, don't. In a sane world you could do that but in today's world it wouldn't be safe.

Be safe.

[TeamProg]

64. The other neighbors probably think he's a weirdo, too. nt

[Celerity]

65. An all-black American flag, with stars and stripes mainly visible through variations in material and shading. "No

quarter shall be given” is the black flag’s traditional message—and in the context of the building drumbeat of right-wing “civil war” talk, a deeply ominous one. People flying them are essentially signaling that they’re prepared to kill their liberal neighbors.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/10/13/2057922/-Black-American-flags-at-right-wing-protests-on-front-porches-vow-no-quarter-against-liberals

[LuckyCharms]

69. Keep your distance. Don't engage. Be wary.

Your safety is most important.

[Qutzupalotl]

72. Our foreign adversaries love that we are flying half a dozen different flags

designed to undermine our real flag. It encourages society to splinter into factions who hate the others. The implication is that those who fly these want society restructured to give power to some at the expense of others.

So the black flag means a sociopath lives there, someone who hates ordinary citizens around him. The one with the blue line shows it's someone who values cops over ordinary citizens. (After Uvalde, this was mocked with a thin yellow line.) Red for first responders. Fine, but why not just make a sign that says, “I love first responders”? You know the answer. These are all coming from a fascist mindset, so they bastardize our national flag to attempt to give their hate legitimacy.

It would not surprise me to learn that even if these sprouted up here organically, the ideas behind them were boosted by our adversaries to build a bandwagon effect, to hasten our society's collapse. They certainly have boosted the hate that fuels all of them.

They are all hideous, fascist abominations and should be rejected by all true patriots, especially those who have served their country and taken an oath against exactly this manipulation.

[Hope22]

81. I'm so old I remember when altering the American flag was considered desecration.

Oh my god the hippies let the flag touch the ground at some point……call the cops. Now the cops have their own version of the flag. The US flag has been taken from the average citizen and is now propped in the bed of puck up trucks across the country. There is no flag to fly to represent respect for the Constitution and a country governed by the rule of law! Liberty and justice for all…well that has certainly gone by the wayside.

[Xavier Breath]

78. I just don't get all of the get-in-their-face advice being given.

If you live near a nutjob, but they are breaking no laws, then there's nothing you can do. Most people, I feel, assume you're a right-thinking person like them unless they see evidence to the contrary. So, don't give them any,. That means no big-ass Biden flag or anything of that nature, and certainly no lecturing to them or trying to convince them of the error of their ways. Nope, just keep your distance from them and let them just go on assuming that you're a solid citizen just like them. That way, if the day ever comes that they do snap, then hopefully you won't be a target.

[Hope22]

84. But isn't it interesting that the aggressors are free to express themselves while others are sent into hiding.

They only see their flags and think that is the norm. Losing an election becomes unbelievable because ‘all they saw were TSF flags’i agree not to poke the bear but it makes me angry at the same time.

[Xavier Breath]

85. I agree, it's frustrating. n/t

[Sugarcoated]

79. Maga is a terrorist organization

[Mysterian]

82. Fly a proper USA flag

Let them know there are patriots in the neighborhood.

[happybird]

83. My neighbor down the road has been flying one since Joe won the election

I figure if we have a zombie apocalypse, I’ll head over there when I run out of supplies. They are probably preppers along with being complete morons. I see the flags as cosplay for the yard. Anyone who is legit isn’t going to be flying a flag to announce it.

[gulliver]

87. If you have a HOA, maybe check the bylaws.

It may be necessary to amend them to disallow flying flags other than, say, national and state flags. People who do things like this hurt property values and stink up their neighborhoods. Most flags, other than the national and state flags, are displayed by the lost and drowning.

[Hekate]

99. I tried complaining to my HOA about the Let's Go Brandon light display on the Trumpistas'...

…back slope, several years ago. The determination was that there was nothing specific in the regulations to deal with this obnoxious neighbor, and it did not look like there was anything specific in county or city regs. However, if someone was sufficiently offended, they could hire their own lawyer (and spend their own money) . It might be worth noting that among our neighbors is a married couple who are both District Attorneys, so yes, their opinion was solicited.

The Trumpista finally stopped flying his collection of nasty flags for the time being,

[brewens]

89. I have an ex-Marine buddy that I used to fish and float rivers with a lot. Coming around a bend on the lower

Snake River in Idaho one day, this asshat has his big jet boat beached and the huge American flag on the back of the boat was hanging in the water. My buddy Murtz gave him some shit about it but went easy because the guy had his wife and kids there. He said he would have went full-on R. Lee Armey on his as if it was just a couple guys! LOL

[Emile]

95. I have a right-wing neighbor who flies the flag

at night without a light shining on it. I always thought that was against the rules too.

[DoBW]

96. fly you own flag

don't give him power

[vercetti2021]

97. Have a gun ready

Reason I do when I fly my trans flag in June. For these like its clear what they'll do to us. Be ready to defend yourself

[Hekate]

98. Those have been around for years, are extremely obnoxious, & nothing new. Available on Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/Jetlifee-American-Embroidered-Grommets-Protection/dp/B07ZVT898R/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?

They are part of a collection of disfigured and dishonored flags favored by the Alt-Right movement. And yes, they are disturbing and disgusting.

[DemocraticPatriot]

102. The 'no quarter' flag was traditionally red (omg, what a coincidence)

as flown by Mexican President, General and Dictator, Santa Anna in his siege of the Alamo,
I believe it was solid red....


Whatever a black US flag means, it probably isn't good... but it is not the recognized symbol for 'no quarter'

(a few on our side might have flown the U.S. flag upside down, when our country was totally controlled by Republicans---
the upside-down flag is recognized as signaling extreme distress....)