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Coventina

(29,716 posts)
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 05:32 PM Apr 2024

Shakira's sons hated 'Barbie' because it was 'emasculating,' she says

Shakira graces the cover of Allure magazine and holds nothing back when asked about her thoughts on “Barbie,” the Greta Gerwig-directed blockbuster that topped the 2023 box office with $1.4 billion worldwide and earned eight Oscar nominations, including best picture.

The music icon said she somewhat agreed with her two sons who strongly disliked “Barbie,” suggesting that it was a piece of pop culture that robbed “men of their possibility to be men.”

“My sons absolutely hated it,” Shakira said. “They felt that it was emasculating. And I agree, to a certain extent. I’m raising two boys. I want ’em to feel powerful too [while] respecting women. I like pop culture when it attempts to empower women without robbing men of their possibility to be men, to also protect and provide. I believe in giving women all the tools and the trust that we can do it all without losing our essence, without losing our femininity.”

“I think that men have a purpose in society and women have another purpose as well,” the singer added. “We complement each other, and that complement should not be lost.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/shakiras-sons-hated-barbie-was-emasculating-says-rcna145891

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Sounds like Shakira did a shit job of raising her sons if their manhood is threatened by a movie about a doll.
It also sounds like Shakira is doubling down on gender roles, and that's just patriarchal bullshit.
Glad to say I was never a fan.

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Shakira's sons hated 'Barbie' because it was 'emasculating,' she says (Original Post) Coventina Apr 2024 OP
I watched the last thirty minutes of "Barbie". Aristus Apr 2024 #1
So, what happened? DFW Apr 2024 #60
Tell me you didn't watch Barbie without telling me you didn't watch Barbie. Initech Apr 2024 #2
Sounds like she is raising some very self-entitled, privileged, and resentful sons... hlthe2b Apr 2024 #3
Shakira noooooooooo WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2024 #4
Perhaps this has to do with today's date Jose Garcia Apr 2024 #5
If it doesn't, it should. nilram Apr 2024 #7
Says the women who "put her career on hold" for her husband. Lunabell Apr 2024 #6
If that is how she feels why is she a singer? Apparently one I would think would offend her sons too. LiberalFighter Apr 2024 #8
Waahh....I hate when people make fun of patriarchy! JenniferJuniper Apr 2024 #9
Haven't seen it yet. But I've never found anything about empowered women "emasculating" unblock Apr 2024 #10
I must have missed when the movie police forced people to go see Barbie. tanyev Apr 2024 #11
Not surprised FrankBooth Apr 2024 #12
The movie stereotyped almost all men into "Kens" tinrobot Apr 2024 #13
It didn't really carry through on the "Change the Constitution" premise maxsolomon Apr 2024 #28
It's just a movie sarisataka Apr 2024 #14
I guess the movie made them feel like they weren't "kenough". dawg Apr 2024 #15
Wow. Do her kids even understand what that means Mad_Machine76 Apr 2024 #16
No because they're only 11 and 9 LeftInTX Apr 2024 #39
Whatever. Goodheart Apr 2024 #17
It was a great commercial for selling Barbie dolls ThreeNoSeep Apr 2024 #18
is that even a word? AllaN01Bear Apr 2024 #19
Yes. But is there a female equivalent? nolabear Apr 2024 #33
thanks for yr information. AllaN01Bear Apr 2024 #40
Wow. Disappointing though have never known anything about her views. n/t OneGrassRoot Apr 2024 #20
I'm so old that I have no idea who this person is. I had to look her up on Google * Oopsie Daisy Apr 2024 #21
A lot of people are doubling down on gender roles. Igel Apr 2024 #22
None of my boys felt that way Bettie Apr 2024 #23
Her boys are only 11 and 9. My boys would have killed me at that age. LeftInTX Apr 2024 #37
Why? Curious Bettie Apr 2024 #43
Mine were into Transformers, Power Rangers and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles LeftInTX Apr 2024 #44
Mine did Pokmon, Star Wars, Bettie Apr 2024 #46
Yeah mine were also into Star Wars and Star Trek pretty big. Also they liked action flicks. LeftInTX Apr 2024 #48
Ah...I see, not the subject matter per se Bettie Apr 2024 #52
ken has always been barbie's castrated accesory nt msongs Apr 2024 #24
Emasculated? Ken has no genitals. You can't get more emasculated than that! SouthernDem4ever Apr 2024 #25
😂😂 Traildogbob Apr 2024 #26
Barbie doesn't have genitals either Bettie Apr 2024 #47
They're a match made at the plastics factory. SouthernDem4ever Apr 2024 #63
Yes, yes they are Bettie Apr 2024 #64
Shake 'em, don't break 'em, Shakira! OAITW r.2.0 Apr 2024 #27
Um, Aren't Her Kids Pre-Teens? ProfessorGAC Apr 2024 #29
What a bunch of whiny WhiteTara Apr 2024 #30
Boy it sucks to be white and male these days, suffering for the sins of every white father who ever was elias7 Apr 2024 #31
You forgot the sarcasm thingy after "it sucks to be white and male niyad Apr 2024 #62
The movie was not made for Shikra's sons Botany Apr 2024 #32
I think it was also made for men (or boys) who want to see things from a woman's point of view Silent3 Apr 2024 #42
Sounds like she missed an opportunity mzmolly Apr 2024 #34
Masculinity/femininity are manufactured concept constantly shifting and changing LizBeth Apr 2024 #35
Here's the original article. Her boys are only 11 and 9. It's a beauty magazine. LeftInTX Apr 2024 #36
If a movie DiverDave Apr 2024 #38
Every time I see the name Shakira True Dough Apr 2024 #41
That's not what I think. LuvLoogie Apr 2024 #55
What bullshit! Who cares what she or her now emasculated sons think. Really? Crawl back under rock. machoneman Apr 2024 #45
Her boys are 11 and 9. I'd be shocked if they knew what emasculating even meant lmao All Mixed Up Apr 2024 #49
I'm sorry, but what have we become? hamsterjill Apr 2024 #50
Sounds like a loudmouth blowhard putting her own words into the mouths RockRaven Apr 2024 #51
Who? niyad Apr 2024 #53
Shakira LuvLoogie Apr 2024 #56
I like Shakira. Great tunes. Great entertainer. LuvLoogie Apr 2024 #54
I do too. I think what she said is being blown up. It was part of a very, very long interview with Allure magazine. LeftInTX Apr 2024 #57
She apparently now lives in Miami, after being in Barcelona GoneOffShore Apr 2024 #59
How can a movie make you feel like you've had your manhood stripped away? Iggo Apr 2024 #58
Apparently Ryan Gosling didn't lose his masculinity tavernier Apr 2024 #61

Aristus

(72,165 posts)
1. I watched the last thirty minutes of "Barbie".
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 05:34 PM
Apr 2024

So I guess I'm only one-quarter emasculated.

DFW

(60,169 posts)
60. So, what happened?
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 06:16 AM
Apr 2024

I fell asleep about halfway through, and before I could watch it again, the plane landed.

Initech

(108,728 posts)
2. Tell me you didn't watch Barbie without telling me you didn't watch Barbie.
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 05:36 PM
Apr 2024

I watched it and highly enjoyed it. It was funny when it needed to be funny and serious when it needed to be serious.

hlthe2b

(113,916 posts)
3. Sounds like she is raising some very self-entitled, privileged, and resentful sons...
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 05:39 PM
Apr 2024

At what point will they become the modern equivalent of "incels"? (and will she care?)

 

Lunabell

(7,309 posts)
6. Says the women who "put her career on hold" for her husband.
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 05:44 PM
Apr 2024

Her opinions are worthless, in my opinion. Another successful woman who puts herself behind her man instead of walking side by side.

LiberalFighter

(53,544 posts)
8. If that is how she feels why is she a singer? Apparently one I would think would offend her sons too.
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 05:48 PM
Apr 2024

If they feel that way about the movie.

unblock

(56,193 posts)
10. Haven't seen it yet. But I've never found anything about empowered women "emasculating"
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 05:52 PM
Apr 2024

I mean I really find it a bizarre reaction. I love strong, confident women. "Emasculated" is close to the opposite of my reaction to that.

How insecure in yourself do you need to be to feel threatened in your manhood by women making decisions, having a career, making money, and you know, being an actual person.

Never mind feeling threatened by a fiction movie about a doll....

tinrobot

(12,060 posts)
13. The movie stereotyped almost all men into "Kens"
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 05:55 PM
Apr 2024

Nearly every man in that movie fit the stereotype of a "Ken" who was vain, had zero self awareness, and did nothing but watch sports and play video games.

Well, except for Alan, who was made into a joke for being less macho and somewhat self-aware.

Perhaps Shalkira's kids are more like Alan - kind and self-aware rather than self-centered and patriarchal.

maxsolomon

(38,694 posts)
28. It didn't really carry through on the "Change the Constitution" premise
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 06:57 PM
Apr 2024

The Kens, who only lived to be the Barbies' boyfriends, try to take over Barbieland and establish a Patriarchy. In the end, the Barbies triumph and keep Barbieland as it was: a Matriarchy. Not exactly a vision of radical equality, but it was kind of quickly dispensed with to get to the "Kenough" scene and the maudlin Rhea Perlman message scene.

All of the "man-bashing" was pretty funny, though. There was a Stephen Malkmus joke for all the Gen X Indie Rockers. LIke 1/1,000 viewers were going to get that one.

LeftInTX

(34,248 posts)
39. No because they're only 11 and 9
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 08:19 PM
Apr 2024

The statement was party of a long interview she gave for a beauty magazine.

ThreeNoSeep

(305 posts)
18. It was a great commercial for selling Barbie dolls
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 06:03 PM
Apr 2024

I enjoyed it, but it was not that great, and haven't felt a need to see it again. Emasculating? meh.

nolabear

(43,850 posts)
33. Yes. But is there a female equivalent?
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 07:43 PM
Apr 2024

Taken literally it’s castration but they mean damaging to their masculine image or sense of self. But seriously, I can’t think of an equal term for us women. Maybe because we don’t have that fantasy of it being so important, or maybe because it’s a little like the fish complaining about the water.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
21. I'm so old that I have no idea who this person is. I had to look her up on Google *
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 06:19 PM
Apr 2024

* I guess there's a reason why I've never heard of her.

Bettie

(19,684 posts)
23. None of my boys felt that way
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 06:23 PM
Apr 2024

and I have three of them, two in their twenties and one who is 15.

Bettie

(19,684 posts)
43. Why? Curious
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 09:11 PM
Apr 2024

To be fair, my boys weren't sports kids.....they were theater and band kids from the very beginning.

Bettie

(19,684 posts)
46. Mine did Pokmon, Star Wars,
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 09:18 PM
Apr 2024

and Legos.

And a lot of pretending to be dogs, cats, or horses....that was an odd phase.

LeftInTX

(34,248 posts)
48. Yeah mine were also into Star Wars and Star Trek pretty big. Also they liked action flicks.
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 09:37 PM
Apr 2024

Michael Jackson, How it's Made, Airplane, spaghetti westerns. They would not have wanted to see a Barbie movie.

TBH, they didn't watch much TV, but they would have killed me if I took them to see Barbie.

Bettie

(19,684 posts)
52. Ah...I see, not the subject matter per se
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 11:01 PM
Apr 2024

just the "girly" aspect of it.

Mine just loved movies, any kind, just like me.

I had a teacher in a media class in college described herself as a "narrative junkie" and it fits me and my three boys quite well...if there's a story to be heard or told, we're there!

We all write, my oldest runs D&D games, we watch TV and movies....we're "story people".

Traildogbob

(13,016 posts)
26. 😂😂
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 06:54 PM
Apr 2024

Very observant. Men live booty shanking and grinding while feeling not adequate for a women that does it so well, for lots of cash.
Not condemning, she is talented and can sing while running non stop. But she loves the control of the men she performs to.

ProfessorGAC

(76,676 posts)
29. Um, Aren't Her Kids Pre-Teens?
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 07:02 PM
Apr 2024

How could they be emasculated when they're not old enough to be "masculated" yet?
She sounds like a kook using words & concepts she doesn't really understand.

elias7

(4,229 posts)
31. Boy it sucks to be white and male these days, suffering for the sins of every white father who ever was
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 07:11 PM
Apr 2024

I think blaming Shakira for doing a “shit job” raising her sons is quite a strong opinion about someone you don’t know. She says she wants her boys to feel powerful while respecting women. Nothing wrong with that. It is a movie about a doll, but as you know, it is of course more than that, so I feel you’re being a bit condescending and patriarchal in your attitudes. And don’t tell me that you’re a women and can’t be patriarchal, lest someone accuse you of doubling down on gender roles.

niyad

(132,321 posts)
62. You forgot the sarcasm thingy after "it sucks to be white and male
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 06:10 PM
Apr 2024

these days", yes? If not, please do enlighten us about how white males are suffering. Are their reproductive rights being taken away? Are they unable to receive all the proper health care they need? Are they at high risk for rape? Is there talk about repealing their right to vote? Are they being threatened with being murdered for committing adultery? Are they being told by their churches to submit to authority? Are they being paid less than others for the same work? Are they doing double/triple duty as wage earners, child caregivers, and housekeepers? Are they in the minority in lead and speaking roles in movies and tekevision? Are they in the extreme minority as ceo's and senior management? Are they in the minority in law enforcement?

Please, do enlighten us.

 

Silent3

(15,909 posts)
42. I think it was also made for men (or boys) who want to see things from a woman's point of view
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 08:49 PM
Apr 2024

It shouldn't bother males of any age, at least if they're smart enough to know the movie is deliberately playing on stereotypes to make a point. Some boys might need a little parental guidance to better understand what's going, of course.

LizBeth

(11,222 posts)
35. Masculinity/femininity are manufactured concept constantly shifting and changing
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 08:08 PM
Apr 2024

thru out history. They are not innate, or part of our DNA make up. Totally manifest by our (societies) whim. Men are capable of being a nurturer, women are able to be competitive. No one is the protector. That is a cape given to men when the majority of time they do not protective in life but get to wear the badge none the less. Statistically if a woman is being harassed in public it is another woman that interferes and not a man. The men tend to stand around and watch because of bro code. So that is silliness stating men are protectors. As far as the providers, most homes has two working adults both bring in income.

Now the whole emasculation thing has not made sense to me since I was literally a child. I heard often enough be sure not to emasculate a man. And normally that is with words. In what world is masculinity defined as strength but to weak and vulnerable by a mere word from a woman. Totally becomes unmanned. That makes absolutely no sense. Or that he is not allowed the illusion of leader, protect and provider even when facts do not hold that up. And that is a desirable interpretation of being emasculate? Yet I hear men almost boost about a womans ability to be emasculated. That is just embarrassing to me.

LeftInTX

(34,248 posts)
36. Here's the original article. Her boys are only 11 and 9. It's a beauty magazine.
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 08:10 PM
Apr 2024

About seven months later, Shakira and Cardi B are recording a music video together where they play the daughters of Artemis hunting down centaurs—“centaurs with six-packs,” she specifies—on a planet where women rule. The two artists have just wrapped the shoot for “Puntería x Cardi B,” the first song on the album. It was filmed here in Miami. She mentions that hottie, erm, actor Lucien Laviscount flew in from Paris to play the centaur she conquers. “The centaurs, they're in ecstasy,” she says, obviously very pleased with how the production went. “Because on this planet, the men are happy to be dominated by women.”

Shakira hails from an entirely different planet. She was born to a Lebanese father and a native Colombian mother and raised in a country where beauty pageants are a big deal. “My idol was Wonder Woman. I think I was drawn to her because she had black hair like mine, but also because she was a symbol of empowerment and strength in a decade where women were not playing the most important roles. I remember my mom stopped working at some point. She stopped wearing miniskirts, and the length of her skirts got longer because my dad said so.”


https://www.allure.com/story/shakira-cover

Beauty magazines pad articles with fluff....
Heck, Allure said Shakira was from a "different planet"..LOL
I think people are reading too much into this....
Her boys hated the Barbie movie. They are 11 and 9. Sorry, but when my boys were that age, they would have killed me if I took them to a Barbie movie.

Here is the newest video that Shakira and Cardi B are promoting

&list=RDSHnDwYgGKkY&start_radio=1&rv=ro4c51AX650&ab_channel=shakiraVEVO

DiverDave

(5,245 posts)
38. If a movie
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 08:18 PM
Apr 2024

Makes them feel less of a man, I suspect it wasn't the content.
It was a MOVIE, fiction.
I gotta ask my guys if a movie, about a child's toy made them feel that way.
I'm gonna say, with 100% certainty, that they will no. And why would I ask such a dumb question.

machoneman

(4,128 posts)
45. What bullshit! Who cares what she or her now emasculated sons think. Really? Crawl back under rock.
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 09:14 PM
Apr 2024

Good Gawd, does anyone care what she thinks? Anyone?

hamsterjill

(17,570 posts)
50. I'm sorry, but what have we become?
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 10:18 PM
Apr 2024

It is a movie. It is for entertainment. You watch it and you move on.

If two young boys are being raised in a home where seeing one movie makes them feel emasculated, I would wonder why.

RockRaven

(19,340 posts)
51. Sounds like a loudmouth blowhard putting her own words into the mouths
Mon Apr 1, 2024, 10:25 PM
Apr 2024

of her children, which is as cowardly as it is stupid.

LuvLoogie

(8,810 posts)
54. I like Shakira. Great tunes. Great entertainer.
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 01:14 AM
Apr 2024

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LeftInTX

(34,248 posts)
57. I do too. I think what she said is being blown up. It was part of a very, very long interview with Allure magazine.
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 01:50 AM
Apr 2024

I don't think she even lives in the US.

tavernier

(14,443 posts)
61. Apparently Ryan Gosling didn't lose his masculinity
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 08:02 AM
Apr 2024

accepting the role of Ken. He is the hottest ticket in Hollywood since costarring in THAT movie. ❤️

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