World Central Kitchen workers killed by IDF.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

Link to tweet

Jose Andres has done amazing work in Ukraine, Haiti, Gaza, etc

https://wck.org/



This is a tragedy.

[LoisB]

1. Oh, man. This is a tough one to swallow.

[Celerity]

53. Working X link, DU software doesn't display x.com urls, twitter.com needs to replace x.com in them when posting here

Link to tweet

[womanofthehills]

126. Especially since they coordinated route with IDF & killed an American too

“Haaretz reported that the convoy of vehicles, which had coordinated its route through a demilitarized zone with the Israel Defense Forces, was hit three times in succession until the aid workers were all killed. After the first strike, survivors reportedly sought shelter in the other vehicles which were then targeted.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/world-central-kitchen-says-u-113228149.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja2dvLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKeUX_qtmh8WrqxlnZZ-8IeDB11-Im7BNda1xrkK17LwOqVyhyQVVw5DF4wnfqqceDF6ouxMNRdZemBFpSV9isQii5ijcQF5NZgob9g6tUk51_czR_YEobLx7TnKEilyCigwvTqEYxRfHtD5ByUD35UdlM9CIIWX8ADhLSnnO-nj

[Think. Again.]

2. Israel, under rightwing netanyahu, has lost all integrity forever.

[orthoclad]

14. We're arming a fascist killer.

Child abusers were often abused as children. Maybe nations do this, too.

[womanofthehills]

64. Like 1,800 - two thousand lb bombs that can demolish an entire street

“The Washington Post is reporting the Biden administration has recently authorized the transfer of billions of dollars in bombs and fighter jets to Israel. The arms package includes more than 1,800 MK-84 2,000-pound bombs, which can be used to level entire city blocks. The U.S. is also sending 500 MK-82 500-pound bombs and 25 F-35 fighter jets.”
https://www.democracynow.org/2024/4/1/headlines/biden_admin_authorizes_billions_of_dollars_in_new_bombs_fighter_jets_for_israel

[orthoclad]

69. Isn't that more than we're sending Ukraine?

Did Jared spread some money around? Bonesaw and Bibi are tight, aren't they?

25 F-35s!

xrist, we haven't even sent Ukraine F-16s yet.

Radio Free Europe: "Report: Ukraine May Get F-16s By July, But Only 6 Out Of 45"

[OrangeJoe]

161. Campaign contributions

Israelhas F-35s because their friends give millions in campaign contributions to both sides of the aisle. It's not really that complicated.

[OrangeJoe]

162. Campaign contributions

Israel has F-35s because their friends give millions in campaign contributions to both sides of the aisle. It's not really that complicated.

[DemocraticPatriot]

145. 'Nice work', IDF.... outstanding.... really....

it almost looks deliberate.....


I'm done with supporting Israel with our tax dollars.
They can carry their own water from now, AFAIC

[DENVERPOPS]

148. Netanyahu

has been thrown out of office many times for corruption, and he continues to get back in.

You can be sure he is sending texts to Trump along with Putin: Wouldn't it be great if you could do this??????

[uponit7771]

156. +1, this was a message and not a mistake

[ratchiweenie]

3. Those bastards.

[underpants]

4. Jesus

[mzmolly]

5. Horrible

beyond words.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

6. The nationalities of the workers killed by the IDF are Polish, Australian, Irish, and British

Waiting on official reports but it's being said that they were on their way to inspect a port. The footage shows that they were clearly marked as humanitarian workers.

[womanofthehills]

131. They had cleared their path with IDF reports say

Plus

Who were the World Central Kitchen workers killed in Gaza?

“The victims were British, Polish, Australian, Palestinian and also included a dual US-Canadian citizen, WCK said.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68711282?at_ptr_name=facebook_page&at_link_id=E1213E1E-F0FB-11EE-9AA0-6D3E8161DE7E&at_link_origin=BBC_News&at_campaign_type=owned&at_format=link&at_bbc_team=editorial&at_campaign=Social_Flow&at_link_type=web_link&at_medium=social

[MontanaMama]

7. Oh jeez.

This is terrible.

[Brenda]

8. Can we call IDF terrorists now? nt

[TheRickles]

10. Good point. So much horrific stuff attributed to them lately, it's hard to see how Israel ever regains legitimacy.

[JT45242]

97. Semantics but these would be war criminals

Terrorists are by definition not part of a recognized government that target population for fear.

Military as part of the government are governed by the laws of war, so technically these are war crimes.

[TheRickles]

113. Good point. Thanks.

[OrangeJoe]

142. OhhOhh I know that one!

Campaign contributions baby. Any more questions?

[soldierant]

170. Germany did, but it took

a complete repudiation of Naziism put into law and enforced. And it still took a lot of time. Similarly, Italy and Japan have legitimacy now I have said and will keep saying that Bibi is not the same as the state of Israel - butit the people allow him to stay in power or kick him out but allow him to return, - they may force me to change that message.

[TexasDem69]

13. No

But you can call Hamas terrorists. These individuals would be alive if Hamas hadn’t attacked Israel on 10/7 and killed, raped and murdered over 1,000 people. Place the blame where it properly lies, at the feet of Hamas and their supporters.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

17. This narrative is dead.

The world now see's what's really going on.

[TexasDem69]

21. It's dead to Hamas apologists

Or anti-semites. Otherwise it is a simple fact.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

25. No one is apologizing for Hamas.

Your narrative is dead and history will reflect poorly on Israel's actions and the one's who cheered it on.

[TexasDem69]

30. That's complete bullshit

Anyone trying to shift blame to IDF for the deaths occurring in this war started by Hamas atrocities is a Hamas apologist. Despite the cries of “genocide” there is none, there’s simply war waged in response to Hamas’ attacks. I haven’t seen a single post on this website that explains how IDF is supposed to avoid civilian deaths and at the same time fight a war in a small geographic area with Hamas embedded in homes, hospitals and schools. The closest are those who say IDF should just withdraw and leave Hamas intact, to commit further atrocities another day.

[colorado_ufo]

50. Has any progress been made to eliminate

Hamas? Has the current strategy been effective? Does Israel have any other plans for defense against Hamas?

[Autumn]

99. Good question. The current strategy seems to be bomb a building, kill a lot of innocent civilians

and maybe get a Hamas member or two. Or none. Who cares. Sounds pretty much like something the Trumps would come up with.

[womanofthehills]

133. Dead increased to 7 since this video - incl an American

?si=M5G6UJ-Hu7Jig6ko

[Old Crank]

52. Question.

I think we can agree that the attack by Hamas was an atrocity.
Does that give Israel blanket coverage for any atrocity that they may do?
If so is there any limit to their response?

I think there are limits.

[PatSeg]

56. I agree

But lately whenever anyone criticizes Netanyahu and the IDF, they are accused of being Hamas apologists. I haven't seen anyone here defend Hamas. Their atrocities do not excuse those of the IDF.

I don't see why that is so hard for a few people to understand.

[TexasDem69]

68. You are equating deaths in war

With deaths caused by Hamas’ terrorism. Those things are not alike.

https://time.com/6565186/october-7-hamas-attack-footage-film/

[PatSeg]

73. No, I am not

I'm sorry you cannot see what so much of the world is seeing.

[OrangeJoe]

163. He can see it

Like most apologists for war crimes and apartheid he can see the difference, he just doesn't want to.

[PatSeg]

168. Yes, I believe you're right

Such apologists have been with us forever, always dismissing the deaths of innocent lives as "part of war" as if war is an acceptable answer to the world's problems. Whereas the truth is warfare is the worst solution and could be the cause of our extinction. If we don't evolve, we may no longer exist.

No parent wants their children to be collateral damage for the ambitions of power hungry leaders.

[PatSeg]

74. Dupe

[MorbidButterflyTat]

92. They are ALL just as DEAD

JFC!

[iemanja]

172. So Israel is fighting a war against itself?

Is that your claim? There aren't two sides in the war? Seems to me that you are the one dismissing the deaths of the many thousands killed by the IDF simply because Israel is allowed a standing army while Palestine is not. Would you support raising a standing army for Palestine so that they didn't use asymmetrical warfare?

I hear lots of empty talking points here.

[Mossfern]

104. I criticise Netanyahu all the time - yet no one has accused me of supporting Hamas

The IDF are soldiers - they don't dictate strategy or policy.

[PatSeg]

107. Unfortunately, I've seen a lot of it lately

Though I believe it is only a handful of people doing it. The other comments I've seen are, "This is war and people die in war" as an excuse for the many indiscriminate deaths.

[PatSeg]

57. Dupe

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[Old Crank]

95. Good intellgent reply.

Care to flesh that out a bit.

[PatSeg]

100. Whenever I'm on my laptop lately,

most of my comments get duplicated. It doesn't happened on my PC. I know it happens to some people when they are on their phones as well. It especially happened a lot last night. I think your comment pretty much said it all.

Duplicate of this comment:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18828912

[Orrex]

75. Quite a few on DU have given Israel a blank check with no expiration date

To them, literally any atrocity that Netanyahu or the IDF commits is 100% the fault of Hamas, no matter how increasingly nonsensical that argument becomes.

Next up, I predict that I will be accused of being pro-Hamas or an antisemite, as has happened more than a few times previously.

[PatSeg]

77. That seems to be the pattern unfortunately

[PatSeg]

78. Dupe

[obamanut2012]

112. Inlcuding in this thread

I have been accused of that as well, for being against the ethnic cleansing in Gaza, and for being against Bibi and his Government, who are fascists.

[Orrex]

118. Yep.

A common tactic is to answer any comment with “so you want Israel to be driven into the sea?”

I’ve received that zinger in response to my suggestion that starving thousands of Palestinian children is not the path to peace.

[GiqueCee]

60. The IDF pulled the triggers.

There have been too many of these incidents.

[OrangeJoe]

143. Here's an idea

Don't repeatedly target cars with a World Kitchen logo on their roof.

[uponit7771]

158. +1, this was a message not a mistake there were too many safeguards bypassed.

[Avalon Sparks]

152. Nah

The claim that Hamas is responsible not only for its own atrocities but also every atrocity committed by Israel has to be one the most disingenuous and morally bankrupt talking points of this whole horrific episode.

[Autumn]

164. This A million times this!

[Celerity]

67. Typical false equivalency of trying to tar and feather any criticism of Israel as automatically pro Hamas/antisemitic.

Fail fail fail.

This rehash of a strategy rooted in simple repetition of one-way only slanted agitprop somehow coming good (and never doing so) is so played out, so tired, so ineffective.

It's a broken record playing songs of futility as the global reputation of Israel follows that of the barbarous Hamas, together locked in a hateful embrace of mutual death, spiralling in ignominy down the drain of world opinion and human rights.

[SunImp]

149. These same people will be crying about Muslim, Arab Americans & independent this November if the Fascists win

[OrangeJoe]

160. AIPAC talking point

Ol'Tex sounds like a paid shill for AIPAC. He sticks to the script and dutifully repeats all of AIPAC's talking points.

[Orrex]

72. When you immediately play the "you're pro-Hamas or antisemite" card, you forfeit all credibility.

Either you truly believe that the matter is as simple as that, in which case your understanding is so grossly inadequate as to be unreachable in this forum, or else you don't believe that it's so simple, and you're laying the accusation as a means of deflection.

[obamanut2012]

111. So, anyone against Bibi and the IDF are pro Hamas/antisemitic

lolz

Give me a damned break.

[TexasDem69]

22. You really think IDF are the terrorists?

Do you think Hamas is a bunch of freedom fighters? Here’s a hint—they aren’t, and Hamas is responsible for these deaths. Quit trying to shift blame.

https://time.com/6565186/october-7-hamas-attack-footage-film/

[ForgoTheConsequence]

29. IDF is a tool of a far right fascist regime.

The same regime that propped up Hamas because they didn't want a secular liberal government for the Palestinians.

[TexasDem69]

33. So Israel is to blame for Hamas' terrorism?

That seems far-fetched

[ForgoTheConsequence]

37. Israel is partially to blame for the stranglehold Hamas has on Gaza.

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

[orthoclad]

63. Israel has spawned generations of terrorists

with their brutality and yes, genocide, over many years. The Israeli right-wing created an open air concentration camp, which bred brutal terrorists.

It wasn't necessary. Carter almost succeeded in ending the cycle of bloodshed and oppression. But trauma spawns trauma, and "Remember Gaza!" will echo for decades and decades, like "Remember The Alamo!".

[yagotme]

120. What concentration camp is that?

The Israeli right-wing created an open air concentration camp,

[Ponietz]

154. Do yourself a favor -- reread and ponder comment #72

If you can’t understand it you are unreachable on this board.

[David__77]

40. It is absolutely a racist and fascist government.

[Aussie105]

31. They are both to blame.

So is anyone who thinks more violence is a solution to a violent problem.

HAMAS - murdering bastards.
IDF - murdering bastards.

I don't see a difference.

[OrangeJoe]

144. One big difference

We're giving one side billions of dollars in weapons so they are killing in our name.

[Big Blue Marble]

47. Do you think that the IDF has brought horror to Gaza for the last six months? N/T

[TexasDem69]

65. War is always horrific

I can’t think of any happy war. Do you think that war is Hamas’ fault?

[Big Blue Marble]

66. Israel is responsible for how they conduct the war.

They are committing war crimes and that is not fault of Hamas who also
committed war crimes.

[Avalon Sparks]

153. War?

This is not a war. This is the pure definition of ethnic cleansing.

[BunnyMcGee]

146. Go join IDF then. Get your wiggles out.

[Avalon Sparks]

155. Oh the private screening 45min film...

a private screening? there are thousands of videos of innocent dead/dying Palestinians and the barbaric acts of the IDF all over social media, but they can't show us the same amount of "violence" there allegedly is to the public?

An entire country is left to beg on the Internet in order to survive. If the history books of the future don't talk about this as one of the biggest shames in our existence as a species we have truly failed.

[CatWoman]

28. hmmmm

in lieu of a time warp machine, can't the blame simply go where it belongs?

[Aussie105]

35. Sure.

If you want to play the Blame Game.
But it doesn't solve anything, just locks things in as they are now.

Others want to play the Solution Game.

See a difference? I hope you do.

[CatWoman]

39. so calling out the people who actually shot those workers is playing the "blame game"??

I should go back to school.

[Autumn]

98. Keep harping that canard. This is all on Israel. Time to quit appeasing that psyco

Netanyahu and his IDF.

[Mossfern]

101. The *response* is on Israel

but the instigation of this war is on Hamas.

I am absolutely sure that there are no Israelis celebrating the deaths of these relief workers.

Can you say the same for the Gazans who celebrated the torture, mutilation immolation and murder of innocents and children in Israel?

War is horrible and the deaths of the relief workers and innocents in Gaza is tragic - it would be all so wonderful if Hamas would remove the eradication of Israel and the death of ALL Jews from their charter, surrender and return the hostages. Hamas has had several months to do that - they refuse.

Hamas has stated that they will not return the hostages unless Israel withdraws so that Hamas can re-arm and attack again - you have no problem with that?

[Autumn]

108. You be sure of anything you wish, I'm sure Israel is commenting war crimes.

Good luck. Hamas is evil lost it's # 1spot 12 thousand dead children ago.

[obamanut2012]

114. "I am absolutely sure that there are no Israelis celebrating the deaths of these relief workers. "

Oh, I am quite sure you are mistaken. There absolutely are some who are. Why in the world would you think there wouldn't be?

[Mossfern]

134. Well, since I can't prove a negative

Can you provide an example of Israelis celebrating the death of the relief workers?
You said "There absolutely are some who are."

[Ms. Toad]

119. He made me do it

Is no more a valid defense to Netanyahu's grossly disproportionate response to Hamas than it is sibling retaliation, spousal battery, or rape

[yagotme]

121. Hamas, and others here, have used that excuse for Oct 7.

Saying Hamas attacked because Israel "made them do it". It seems that they feel it's a valid response for them, sooo...

[Ms. Toad]

122. Did I suggest it was a valid response for Hamas? n/t

[yagotme]

123. No, but it wasn't included, so I did. nt

[Ms. Toad]

125. Your post seemed to imply the opposite -

That since Hamas was allowed to use it as an excuse Israel should be, too.

[yagotme]

128. I was getting the impression that you thought that Israel's use of the excuse wasn't proper.

I pointed out that Hamas has used it, too. If Israel's use is improper, therefore, Hamas' use is, also.

[DemocraticPatriot]

147. They would also be alive if the IDF hadn't bombed them.

The October 7th "get out of jail free" card has run its course by now.

Yes, Hamas are terrorists. The IDF is running a close second.

[uponit7771]

157. Any nation can defend themselves without turning into what they're fighting against.

[Butterflylady]

9. There is absolutely no need for this.

It is nothing but pure evil.

[orthoclad]

11. The IDF trains US police forces

Wonder why we have so many cops killing innocent people?

[Shipwack]

76. I remember reading about this...

If I recall correctly, the author said there were two philosophies in the realm of law enforcement. There was the British model, and the Israeli model.

In the British model, the police are guardians and protectors. People around them are the ones they have the charge to protect.

In the Israeli model, the police are warriors. Every person around them is a potential enemy. They have to be hyper-vigilant to protect themselves, and self preservation is job one.

I don't know how accurate that is, but it makes sense to me. Policing in the US needs a major overhaul, but that's unlikely to occur since policing is handled at the local level. The powers that be are quite happy with the current situation.

[orthoclad]

82. We certainly train police as warriors,

at least outside of gated oligarch havens. Then they do the "guardian and protector" schtick. Like the cops who did the valet service for the rich father of a teenage killer (recent thread here).

Here's just the first link from a quick search.

With Whom are Many U.S. Police Departments Training? With a Chronic Human Rights Violator – Israel

TOPSHOT - Baltimore County Sheriffs officers gather after Baltimore Officer Caesar Goodson Jr. was acquitted of all charges in his murder trial for the death of Freddie Gray at the Mitchell Court House June 23, 2016 in Baltimore, Maryland. Goodson, who drove the van in which Freddie Gray, a young African American, was transported before he died was acquitted of all charges including second degree murder and manslaughter. / AFP / Brendan Smialowski (Photo credit should read BRENDAN SMIALOWSKI/AFP/Getty Images)
...
Baltimore law enforcement officials, along with hundreds of others from Florida, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, California, Arizona, Connecticut, New York, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Georgia, Washington state as well as the DC Capitol police have all traveled to Israel for training. Thousands of others have received training from Israeli officials here in the U.S.

Many of these trips are taxpayer funded while others are privately funded.

https://www.amnestyusa.org/updates/with-whom-are-many-u-s-police-departments-training-with-a-chronic-human-rights-violator-israel/

[Voltaire2]

102. The 'British model' has two modes.

The 'domestic mode', and the 'colonial mode'. The latter mode is as brutal as any other authoritarian regime.

[PufPuf23]

81. The IDF trained and equipped Rios Montt in Guatemala.

Guatemala's poor record on human rights and the refusal of General Ríos Montt to call immediately for new elections prevented the Reagan administration from restoring US aid to Guatemala, which would have required the consent of the US Congress.[48] The Reagan administration did continue the sale of helicopter parts to the Guatemalan military, even though a then-secret 1983 CIA cable noted a rise in "suspect right-wing violence" and an increasing number of bodies "appearing in ditches and gullies."[49]

Israel, which had been supplying arms to Guatemala since 1974, continued its aid provisions during Ríos Montt's government. The cooperation did not just involve hardware but also included providing intelligence and operational training, carried out both in Israel and Guatemala. In 1982, Ríos Montt told ABC News that his success was due to the fact that "our soldiers were trained by Israelis." There was not much outcry in Israel at the time about its involvement in Guatemala, though the support for Ríos Montt was no secret. According to journalist Victor Perera, in 1985, at a cemetery in Chichicastenango, relatives of a man killed by the military told him that "in church they tell us that divine justice is on the side of the poor; but the fact of the matter is, it is the military who get the Israeli guns."[50]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efra%C3%ADn_R%C3%ADos_Montt

[orthoclad]

85. The Israeli defense industry was cozy with apartheid South Africa, too

https://www.haaretz.com/2013-12-10/ty-article/how-apartheid-saved-israels-defense-industry/0000017f-e3b7-d568-ad7f-f3ff053a0000

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/feb/07/southafrica.israel

No wonder the IDF is training US police on how to patrol communities of color.

I really don't understand this.

A long time ago I read that late-19th century Zionists were considering Texas as a refuge. I wish they had done that, and that the US/Texas had opened its arms to refugees from Nazism.

[PufPuf23]

86. There is more than one flavor of Zionists in 20th century Israel. nt

[orthoclad]

88. Very true. It's tricky

to walk the line between antifascism and antizionism. Many pitfalls.

I still wish they had picked Texas, and the US had welcomed refugees instead of turning them away.

[lostnfound]

12. He wasn't there, was he?? You aren't implying that he was injured, are you? Nt

[ForgoTheConsequence]

15. Come again?

I was praising his work. I never said Jose Andres was killed, I said workers from WCK. There was no implication.

[Brenda]

23. It's an attempt to deflect from the real problem., Forgo nt

[ForgoTheConsequence]

32. TY I didn't get what they were hinting at.

I suppose it's easier to just muddy the waters when you can't defend the indefensible.

[Brenda]

38. Just trying to "get your back" dude cuz it's right! nt

[sheshe2]

62. I have seen people on the internet...

I have seen people on the internet both defending and saying the initial murder, burnt bodies, rape and beheading on October 7th never happened that way.

They have themselves defended the indefensible.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

175. I've seen a lot of stupid stuff online.

Not sure what that has to do with anything.

[lostnfound]

174. Relieved

Sorry if that sounded like an accusation. I was just really alarmed , wondering if I’d missed news of his death. I’m relieved that he wasn’t present, but it’s horrifying to see the faces of those who were killed.

[Iggo]

16. See what you made me do?

[Voltaire2]

103. Indeed. It is full on Abuser Logic.

[LauraInLA]

18. This is terrible. As WCKitchen said, aid workers should never be targets. Aaand now a confirmation.

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I will wait for a report from a neutral party, rather than Hamas’ press office.

Now Netanyahu has taken responsibility, so we now for certain.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

20. Very few neutral parties are there.

And the ones that are have been targeted.

[Beastly Boy]

49. A piss poor reason to trust the Hamas health ministry reports.

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The workers’ car was hit by an Israeli strike just after crossing from northern Gaza after helping deliver aid that had arrived hours earlier on a ship from Cyprus, Mahmoud Thabet, a paramedic from the Palestinian Red Crescent who was on the team that brought the bodies to the hospital, told The Associated Press. The source of fire could not be independently confirmed and the Israeli military did not respond to requests for comment."

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israeli-strike-kills-4-foreign-aid-workers-palestinian-driver-after-delivering-food-gaza-medical-officials-say

One paramedic official who was not a witness to the strike, told the Associated Press. And the media explodes with knee-jerk accusations against Israel.

If waiting for sources other than a paramedic who didn't actually see what happened to confirm what happened is evil, call me evil.

[Voltaire2]

124. Ok Evil, the IDF apparently misread Hummus

for Hamas, so they had to kill everyone. War is messy, eh?

[Beastly Boy]

166. What is this nonsense supposed to even mean?

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How is waiting for confirmation related to your (sarcastic?) off topic remark?

Snark requires certain skills to come off as snark rather than juvenile taunts (no offense to juveniles). Keep practicing.

[muriel_volestrangler]

94. Did you just call World Central Kitchen's twitter account "Hamas' press office"???

For Fuck's Sake.

[obamanut2012]

115. Yes, they did -- what the hell

[LauraInLA]

139. They quoted the Hamas press office. They don't know what happened yet -- just that it's awful.

[LauraInLA]

140. No, I did not. WCKitchen said there are reports -- and those reports are from the Hamas regime press office.

You notice WCKitchen isn’t assigning blame, because they don’t yet know what happened. Just that it’s terrible. And I’d assume it might be a war crime.

[Stinky The Clown]

24. When do we stop supporting Trumpenyahoo?Not Israel. Trumpenyahoo.

[malaise]

26. A tragedy and a

War crime
Enough of this madness

[Warpy]

27. Xitter sucks. Reuter's has a better story

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-airstrike-gaza-kills-foreign-aid-workers-hamas-run-media-office-says-2024-04-01/

It was an airstrike, no one on the ground seeing it or hearing it coming. That doesn't help. Yes, working in a war zone is dangerous, but apparently they'd been communicating their location to the IDF frequently.

Israel seems determined to squander every bit of good will it ever had.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

34. I only posted the Twitter because it was the official WCK statement.

Thank you for posting this article.

[Warpy]

48. I like WCK, it appeals to my foodie and do gooder selves

and I grumbled because I thought they deserved more than Xitter would allow them.

We'll see if Israel bounces out one of their AF higher ups over this. It should never have happened.

[LauraInLA]

141. Thank you for this updated story!

[Seinan Sensei]

36. Say their names, Bibi

[David__77]

41. This is consistent with Israel's war strategy.

[RockRaven]

42. When people show you who they are, believe them.

[democrank]

43. Just plain awful

Tragic, heartbreaking.

[pandr32]

44. Oh no!

[MFM008]

45. There is a time for

A cease fire though.
Netanyahu can't afford to stop the war otherwise he'll go to jail.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

46. This is what I'm afraid Trump will do if he's elected.

[ShazzieB]

58. Oh, he will.

Either that, or he'll just sit on the sidelines and cheer while Bibi does whatever the hell he wants.

[Ping Tung]

51. Humanitarians are now considered a threat to humanity and should be murdered.

Humanitarians were trying to feed starving people which disrupted the heroic war crimes and had to be eliminated, removed, executed, or any other metaphor for murder.

Sleep well Bibi and the bombers. Mission accomplished.

[Think. Again.]

55. I know this shouldn't be necessary...

...but here, you can borrow this...

[hlthe2b]

54. This is beyond tragedy...

And I will leave the thread-- lest the few who seem to conflate any (and all) criticism of Netanyahu and IDF's conduct of this war as equating to the support of Hamas arrive to attack those of us merely expressing our sadness at this. I absolutely cannot take that right now.

[obamanut2012]

116. It is happening in this thread

Appalling, isn't it?

[sybylla]

138. I block them all.

I refuse to have conversations with people who make assumptions and judgments without evidence first, second, third, ad infinitum.

Even if this topic is their only irrational one, it really discredits their thoughts on everything else and I have no interest in engaging with them.

[IcyPeas]

59. ... included citizens of Poland, Australia and Britain, as well as one Palestinian,

Those killed in the incident in central Gaza's Deir al-Balah included citizens of Poland, Australia and Britain, as well as one Palestinian, a spokesperson for the media office said.

from the Reuters article posted above

This was a gut punch. These volunteers are true humanitarians.

[regnaD kciN]

61. "ThEy WeRe BeInG uSeD aS hUmAn ShIeLdS!!!"

[Voltaire2]

129. We BombeD HiroshimA!! War kill peOple!

[canetoad]

70. Being reported here in Oz

Young woman killed.

https://www.theage.com.au/world/middle-east/a-tragedy-australian-aid-worker-reportedly-killed-in-gaza-20240402-p5fgp5.html

Friends and colleagues have paid tribute to Australian aid worker Zomi Frankcom after she died in an apparent Israeli air strike while providing food assistance in Gaza.

The Israeli military said it was investigating reports that four foreign aid workers had been killed in Gaza, while Prime Minister Anthony Albanese said the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade was making enquiries into the incident.

Frankcom’s LinkedIn page says she worked for World Central Kitchen – the Washington-based charity founded by star chef Jose Andres – since 2019, having previously spent eight years in various roles with Commonwealth Bank in Sydney.

World Central Kitchen board member Robert Egger said in a Facebook post: “Sending love, sorrow and solidarity to my brothers and sisters at World Central Kitchen.

[leftstreet]

71. DURec

[Takket]

79. horrible... would like to know more info about the circumstances of this strike.....

but no matter what, it is a tragedy. WCK are absolute HEROES. This is so sad.

[OldSWODog]

80. the straw...

...that broke the back...I've tried very hard to support Israel in this mess (remembering the initial Hamas atrocity), but this cinches it...Israel has needlessly forfeited any goodwill the world might have for a people badly treated in the past...now, Israel has earned pariah status equivalent to that of the Third Reich, South Africa under apartheid, Russia in Ukraine and other governments (including ours vis a vis indigenous peoples)...I rend my shirt; I have no words for this...OSD

[madaboutharry]

87. To be clear, on the basis of a statement coming from Hamas without any investigation

or determination of the facts concerning deaths occurring from fire on an aid vehicle, you suddenly decide on a dime that Israel is the equivalent of The Third Reich, South Africa under apartheid, Russia in Ukraine, the treatment of Native Americans, and I suppose all other horrors and atrocities in the history of all mankind. Before just now you tried very hard to support Israel? Yeah sure.

[Cattledog]

106. Israel admitted they committed the strike.

“Unfortunately, there was a tragic incident in which our forces unintentionally hit innocent people in the Gaza Strip,” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said on Tuesday.

[madaboutharry]

109. You completely missed my point.

My comment was not about who was responsible for the strike. My comment was that regardless of the facts and in the absence of information as to what led to the strike, the member claims that this one tragic incident has caused them to liken the IDF and Israel to the worst monsters in the history of mankind.

[Autumn]

132. Hamas are worst monsters in the history of mankind? Really. I disagree.

There have been many monsters in the history of mankind. Hitler and his Nazis. Alexander the Great. Genghis Khan. Stalin. many more.

[obamanut2012]

117. You are accusing Jose Andres of being a liar and Hamas agent

This attacking of the convoy is a war crime.

[Voltaire2]

130. Self delete, is it still broken?

[chowmama]

83. I've left this subject alone so far

But for God's sake, this isn't an episode of Perry Mason. Just deciding one side is wrong doesn't make the other side right. You can be against IDF's actions and also not be anti-Semitic or pro-Hamas.

Netanyahu has actually managed to lose Israel the moral high ground. And given the horror that Hamas committed, I would have sworn that was impossible to do.

You don't level hospitals. You don't kill aid workers and neutral observers on purpose. You don't tell the people who live in an area to go to a particular place and, once they are there, bomb the shit out of them. You don't wait till starving people are lined up for food and mow them down. All of this is wrong on every possible level.

Hamas is monstrous - literally monsters. I want all of them, up to the highest echelons, to stand trial and face consequences for what they did. And I want Netanyahu and his bunch to have the same.

There are times I wish I was any other species than human.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

84. Most moral army in the world. So they say.

[LeftInTX]

150. I know it's sarcasm, but it's total BS. Most moral army? Maybe the award goes to the Salvation Army

Or maybe it doesn't
I'm ducking cuz I'll take flack for the Salvation Army. All I know is the Salvation Army doesn't kill people. I know they're anti-LBGT...but hey is there really such as thing as a "moral army" much less, the "most moral army in the world"?

[wiggs]

89. We donate to WCK. Now I want to volunteer. nt

[ForgoTheConsequence]

90. Statement from Jose Andres:

Chef José Andrés 🕊️🥘🍳
@chefjoseandres
Today
@WCKitchen
lost several of our sisters and brothers in an IDF air strike in Gaza. I am heartbroken and grieving for their families and friends and our whole WCK family. These are people…angels…I served alongside in Ukraine, Gaza, Turkey, Morocco, Bahamas, Indonesia. They are not faceless…they are not nameless. The Israeli government needs to stop this indiscriminate killing. It needs to stop restricting humanitarian aid, stop killing civilians and aid workers, and stop using food as a weapon. No more innocent lives lost. Peace starts with our shared humanity. It needs to start now.

[David__77]

91. Thanks for posting.

[Voltaire2]

127. Obviously Chef Andres is an agent of Hamas.

And an anti-Semite for deliberately putting his food convoy in the path of legitimate IDF bombing runs.

Do I need this: ?

[MorbidButterflyTat]

93. This is heartbreaking

and evil. There is NO excuse for this horror the world is being forced to witness.

Jose Andres and World Central Kitchen volunteers are heroes. They feed people who need help all over the world because they care about others and have the guts to do something productive! And risk their lives doing it. They don't take sides, FFS!

It would be nice to have ONE thread where people are allowed to grieve the needless horrific losses without finger pointing and name calling and debating whose deaths are worse. Enough! Show a modicum of respect, please.

[hatrack]

96. WCK now confiming seven of their staffers were killed

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/4/1/2232893/-Israel-drone-kills-five-World-Central-Kitchen-aid-workers?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=trending&pm_medium=web

[TheRickles]

105. To those defending the IDF's "strategy" here, wouldn't it therefore be an appropriate response to Hamas' initial attack

if the IDF leveled every building in Gaza because it might house terrorists, and killed every single Gazan because they might be a terrorist or terrorist sympathizer? The line has to be drawn somewhere....

[David__77]

110. That is the logic of the assertion that Israel isn't responsible for actions of its armed forces.

[TomDaisy]

135. This is how you make sure no one dares bring in aid of any kind

[uponit7771]

159. +1, this was a message not a mistake there were too many safeguards not adhered to

[TomDaisy]

136. there is no horrific new low they will not stoop to

[greatauntoftriplets]

137. Jose Andres must be devastated.

Is it time yet for WCK and Andres to win the Nobel Peace Prize?

[TeamProg]

165. It's not so much of a "war" as a massacre.

I didn’t see any Palestinian soldiers firing back on the IDF during that food drop massacre video, did you?

DID ANYONE SEE PALESTINIAN SOLDIERS FIRING BACK? You know, like in an actual WAR?

It’s NOT a fucking “war"

.

[COL Mustard]

167. I made a donation

Because of this.

[DemocratInPa]

169. Why is Biden standing by Israel so much??

He is losing so much voter support on this.

[OrangeJoe]

171. $$AIPAC$$

AIPAC is the most powerful lobby in Washington DC. Now that doesn't mean friends of Israel control the world or any of that anti-semitic Nazi horseshit. But AIPAC is unique among lobby/pressure groups because it can direct so much money against anyone running for office who questions Israel. Other groups have lots of cash, too. For example, the NRA on the right and pro-choice groups on the left. But each of these have equally financed groups countering them. There is no money to be had for standing up to Israel or opposing giving them billions in military aid and providing political coverage in both the press and at the UN.

Now for the first time there is actual electoral opposition to the blank check usually given to Israel, but it still isn't enough. On the right they just double down in their support and chortle at the box Democrats find themselves. The left is in a real dilemma because wealthy supporters of Israel are one of the few deep pocket groups that support liberals while the young activists are appalled at what is going on there.

I was a Senate staffer and personally witnessed how they operated and heard elected members gripe about it. But as they say, money is the Mother's Milk of politics. After Citizens United opened the floodgates to untraceable millions for influence peddling it was truly game over.

Check out the tale of Congressman Andy Levin. A Democrat from a long line of Michigan liberals, a rabbi and self declared Zionist. His mistake was in sponsoring legislation that would have restricted US dollars going for the illegal settlements Israel builds on the West Bank. BOOM! AIPAC came down on him like a ton of bricks, primarying him and sending him on his way. If you don't realize what a strong message that sent to every member of Congress; that AIPAC will shiv one of their own if they dare step out of line, then you don't know how things really work.

[TexasDem69]

173. On October 7, 2023

Hamas attacked Israel. Hamas didn’t attack military installations but intentionally targeted civilians.

- Reports indicate about 1,200 were killed. Of course, many of those were citizens of other countries, like the U.S.
- 364 civilians were killed at a concert. Gunned down while trying to hide in trees, cars or wherever they thought the terrorists might not find them. At least 40 others at the concert were taken hostage. Many women were raped. Shani Louk, a young woman attending the concert, was kidnapped, raped and murdered by Hamas, then her body was thrown in the back of a truck and paraded around Gaza to the cheers of its citizens, some of whom abused her corpse. There are many similar stories. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2023/10/the-story-of-11-families-who-were-victims-of-hamas.html
- Many Israeli civilians were butchered in their homes with bullets, fire or knives. This story discusses a family of 5, who had moved to Israel from Boston, found dead in their beds. https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-attacks-funerals-76ddd26c80c6c4662987c0dd708d6707
- Hamas’ cowards raped and sexually mutilated 100s of women. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violence_in_the_7_October_attack_on_Israel
- Hamas still holds at least 200 hostages it kidnapped on 10/7, some of whom are infants. Numerous reports confirm that Hamas routinely rapes the female hostages. https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2024/03/31/hamas-hostage-crisis-amid-war-gaza/73131624007/

After all this occurred, Israel invaded Gaza in an attempt to eliminate Hamas so that it could not kidnap, murder and rape civilians in the future. Like all cowards, Hamas didn’t want to face justice, so it hid in Gaza’s homes, hospitals and schools. During this conflict, many civilians undoubtedly have died. And others were killed while trying to assist the civilians caught in the crossfire. But let’s be clear—Israel is not intentionally targeting civilians. It isn’t attacking concerts, or raping women and parading their bodies in trucks, or going into homes and targeting families at dinner or in their beds.

Sorry for the lengthy post, but there is no equivalence between the attacks by Hamas—which explicitly states its GOAL is to kill all Jews—and the war being waged by Israel. You’re too smart not to know this.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

176. Their government has lost all benefit of the doubt and goodwill.

Remember how Bush turned 9/11 goodwill into millions of dead Iraqi's thus turning the world against us? It's happening to Israel and you're one of the last on a sinking ship.