Palestinians Want April Vote on Full United Nations Membership

[David__77]

KONTAN.CO.ID - UNITED NATIONS, April 1 (Reuters) - The Palestinian Authority wants the United Nations Security Council to vote this month to make it a full member of the world body, the Palestinian U.N. envoy told Reuters on Monday, a move that can be blocked by Israel's ally the United States.

Riyad Mansour, who has permanent observer status in the U.N., made the Palestinian plans public as the war between Israel and Palestinian Hamas militants in Gaza nears a six-month milestone and Israel is expanding settlements in the occupied West Bank.
Mansour told Reuters that the aim was for the

Security Council to decide at an April 18 ministerial meeting on the Middle East, but that a vote had yet to be scheduled. He said a 2011 Palestinian application for full membership was still pending because the 15-member council never took a formal decision.

"The intention is to put the application to a vote in the Security Council this month," he added.

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https://amp.kontan.co.id/news/palestinians-want-april-vote-on-full-united-nations-membership

[claudette]

1. Here's

hoping!!

[RandySF]

2. The same U.N.

that asked Saudi Arabia to chair an organization on women’s rights.

[David__77]

3. And the same UN that demanded Russia withdraw from Ukraine. What's your point?

[montanacowboy]

4. Good!

this is a good thing

[sarisataka]

5. Will there be any requirements

For the PA to hold internationally monitored elections before full membership? I believe it has been a while since Palestinians have had a chance to vote for their leaders.

[David__77]

6. Would you support their membership application if they did?

[sarisataka]

10. Yes I would

Full membership is a two way street. There would be encouragement for dialog rather than terrorism as statecraft.

[David__77]

11. I can understand that.

[malaise]

7. K & R

Yes

[no_hypocrisy]

8. Present and past U.S. administrations have advocated for

a two-state solution of both Israel and Palestine.

Would this measure pass if the U.S. abstained?

[David__77]

9. Yes it will pass if the US abstains.

It would probably be a brilliant political move (domestically) to abstain, actually.

[ripcord]

12. Not while a significant portion of their territory is controlled by terrorists

And the rest is under a government who hasn't had elections in 18 years.

[former9thward]

13. How many UN nations recognize Palestine as a nation?

How many have embassies in "Palestine" and where do they have them?

[David__77]

14. Info

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_relations_of_the_State_of_Palestine

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_diplomatic_missions_in_Palestine

[former9thward]

17. Maybe you should look at your links.

Those are not official recognition of a nation of Palestine. Your link even lists Israel as one of the nations. They are a list of nations which have talking relations with the Palestinian Authority.

[David__77]

18. It is about diplomatic recognition of the State of Palestine.

[former9thward]

26. You are saying Israel has diplomatic recognition of Palestine?

Israel is one of the nations you list.

[David__77]

30. Israel absolutely has relations with State of Palestine.

While negating the right of the people of East Jerusalem, West Bank, and Gaza to sovereignty.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Palestine_relations

[former9thward]

31. Israel does not recognize Palestine as a separate nation.

Yet, you are trying to imply that it does.

[David__77]

32. They do not think they should have sovereignty and should remain subjects, yes.

[Celerity]

21. We (Sweden) recognized Palestine as a sovereign nation state on 30 October 2014

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We have an embassy there, and they have one here in Stockholm.

I hope this passes in the UN.

Btw

One of our (Swedish) major 20th century diplomats, and a key UN negotiator in the 1948 peace talks, Folke Bernadotte, was assassinated by the paramilitary Zionist terrorist group Lehi aka the Stern Gang (who morphed into part of Likud later) whilst pursuing his official UN duties in Jerusalem, September 1948. Yitzhak Shamir, one of the leaders of the terrorist thug Stern Gang, served 2 terms as Israeli Prime Minister under the Likud banner.

Folke Bernadotte was famous for negotiating the release of around 31,000 Danish Jews and non-Jewish prisoners from the Nazi German Theresienstadt (present day Czech Republic) concentration camp in 1945.

Hell of a way to be repaid.

[edhopper]

15. With Hamas representing them?

[David__77]

19. It would upgrade the existing State of Palestine representation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_General_Assembly_resolution_67/19

[edhopper]

20. That doesn't answer

My question.

[David__77]

22. More info on State of Palestine.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine

Abbas, who is of Fateh party, is State of Palestine president.

[ripcord]

23. And who has been President since 2005 which is the last time they held elections

I would say they have abused their power and at this point are illegitimate.

[LeftInTX]

24. Hamas sees them as illegitimate. I much prefer the PA any day over Hamas

But, they haven't held elections because Hamas would run them off.

Last time Palestinians were polled the PA were at about 5%. They are extremely unpopular for whatever reason. But I believe it is because the PA recognizes Israel and a few other things.

[edhopper]

25. Hamas is they ruling Party in Gaza

would they represent Palestine in the UN.
Would it only be the PA and no one from Hamas?

[Voltaire2]

27. Probably not, but as an independent nation they can choose their own representatives.

[David__77]

29. There is this thing called sovereignty.

[LeftInTX]

16. Will Hamas buy into this?

They don't like the PA at all.
Hamas does not want a two-state solution.

I'm all for it, if the PA supports it. However, the PA has been marginalized. Heck Hamas considered Arafat a sell-out.

I'm afraid this is another "not going anywhere" proposal. I hope it does pass. I feel it will bring peace if the Palestinians are somehow united. I feel autonomy will help them, but they need to agree somewhat on it. Hamas likes the martyrdom roll too much.