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highplainsdem

(48,871 posts)
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 10:09 AM Apr 2

Trump just violated the gag order this morning





Text of the tweet below. You'll have to view the tweet to see the video.

Ron Filipkowski
@RonFilipkowski

Trump violates his gag order this morning by posting a clip of Brian Kilmeade repeating the same fake story about a fake social media account supposedly from the judge’s daughter that led to the gag order being extended.
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Trump just violated the gag order this morning (Original Post) highplainsdem Apr 2 OP
It's cilla4progress Apr 2 #1
If Merchan fails to act decisively he loses respect. triron Apr 2 #6
He will just keep violating gag orders until some judge has him locked up. Lonestarblue Apr 2 #2
I have been wondering this to Tree Lady Apr 2 #4
This, of course, is the dilemma all these judges are facing. Ocelot II Apr 2 #12
if it were just u or i. wed be locked up by now and fined . AllaN01Bear Apr 2 #25
I feel the clock started January 20th, 2021. nt Shipwack Apr 2 #38
agreed. AllaN01Bear Apr 2 #40
That's already happening MorbidButterflyTat Apr 2 #19
I feel that way too Tree Lady Apr 2 #67
He should loose all the income. As a normal person with Social Security would. LiberalArkie Apr 2 #24
correct. in the voice of the star trek enterprise tos version.e AllaN01Bear Apr 2 #26
I hope that doesn't happen. He donates all his money to charity. 3Hotdogs Apr 2 #29
He is his only charity. Autumn Apr 2 #53
Exactly TL DENVERPOPS Apr 2 #64
Trouble with that, it only emboldens Trump. triron Apr 2 #73
I agree... Happy Hoosier Apr 2 #5
Let it happen kacekwl Apr 2 #27
They wont be treated like anyone else quakerboy Apr 2 #75
His supportes will do no such thing.... getagrip_already Apr 2 #31
I tend to agree. ShazzieB Apr 2 #71
We have a military, we spend a lot of money on them, they are there to defend the country from foreign and domestic Escurumbele Apr 2 #66
I could not agree more! ShazzieB Apr 2 #72
Trump wants to be arrested.... FalloutShelter Apr 2 #3
Put him in jail and take all devices. triron Apr 2 #7
THIS is the ONLY answer bluestarone Apr 2 #10
100% FalloutShelter Apr 2 #13
And NO special jailhouse accomedations Attilatheblond Apr 2 #11
the next question , ? what about his ss detail. will he be remanded over to the prison gaurds AllaN01Bear Apr 2 #33
He'll still have it for life Polybius Apr 2 #48
I have two thoughts Tree Lady Apr 2 #68
Let the SS figure that out. triron Apr 2 #57
Can't happen Polybius Apr 2 #47
Gitmo is special and count accommodate just fine Deuxcents Apr 2 #79
Exactly. cilla4progress Apr 2 #18
Take ALL devices. calimary Apr 2 #70
No devices are allowed in jail anyway. Straw Man Apr 3 #82
Then Do It ProfessorGAC Apr 2 #9
If we let fear of violence keep us from doing the right thing then they've already won. We stand for nothing. CrispyQ Apr 2 #14
Not only a jail cell, Wednesdays Apr 2 #32
Finally I hear the correct response. triron Apr 2 #74
It's so bizarre birdographer Apr 2 #55
Then, you may have hit on the REAL reason he's not in jail. The PTB won't allow it. jaxexpat Apr 2 #41
Heads he wins; tails we lose. Tansy_Gold Apr 2 #65
Grant his wish orangecrush Apr 2 #62
He'll be arrested any minute now. Emile Apr 2 #8
haha riversedge Apr 2 #15
April Fool's Day ended several hours ago. nt Wednesdays Apr 2 #34
LOL Emile Apr 2 #36
Holding my breath... birdographer Apr 2 #56
Once again, this is a jury trial. Tommy Carcetti Apr 2 #16
That ship has sailed MorbidButterflyTat Apr 2 #21
No self control whatsoever spinbaby Apr 2 #17
Yet another criminal act that will be ignored and go without consequences. lees1975 Apr 2 #20
So far tRump's been failing upward Blue Owl Apr 2 #22
Time to issue the double secret gag order. That'll show him. twodogsbarking Apr 2 #23
Don't worry, all cool - the guard rails are holding. 617Blue Apr 2 #28
The social media account was fake? underpants Apr 2 #30
Put his fat ass in Rikers until the trial. Emile Apr 2 #35
When did jonathon turley have his lobotomy? spanone Apr 2 #37
NOt only should jurors be THOROUGHLY vetted... 3825-87867 Apr 2 #39
Put him on house arrest with no access to social media for a week. boston bean Apr 2 #42
Sure - why not WA-03 Democrat Apr 2 #44
He'll just dictate his posts to someone. chowder66 Apr 2 #51
The path for the judges is not very complicated; just treat the man the same way you would treat anyone else. Chainfire Apr 2 #43
You'd think so... birdographer Apr 2 #59
And that is exactly the reason that I have little hope of justice in the Trump case. Chainfire Apr 2 #69
Why would he care about a fine? S/V Loner Apr 2 #45
"They need to just lock him up, deal with the repercussions, and get on with doing the right thing Ligyron Apr 2 #81
Truth! S/V Loner Apr 3 #84
So jail him until the trial Takket Apr 2 #46
Oh no. Now Trump will get a tongue lashing. Kablooie Apr 2 #49
LOCK HIM UP! CaptainTruth Apr 2 #50
TFG is an idiot to test this judge LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2 #52
Why? What are they actually going to do? quakerboy Apr 2 #76
Why? Nothing happens. triron Apr 2 #77
Its worse than this and way past time ScratchCat Apr 2 #54
And...? Magoo48 Apr 2 #58
Lock his ass up already MustLoveBeagles Apr 2 #60
The judge will just reduce the penalty and give more time to comply Alpeduez21 Apr 2 #61
Dumb and dumber. republianmushroom Apr 2 #63
Nothing happened today. lees1975 Apr 2 #78
If he goes to jail now or if he ends up getting convicted BlueKota Apr 2 #80
And not one fucking thing will happen. OverBurn Apr 3 #83

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
2. He will just keep violating gag orders until some judge has him locked up.
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 10:13 AM
Apr 2

Of course, if he were locked up even for a day, his supporters would likely appear at the jail with many guns to break him out. I wonder if he is trying to get this to happen. He’s the king of stupid stunts.

Tree Lady

(11,412 posts)
4. I have been wondering this to
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 10:20 AM
Apr 2

if he wants to go to jail. Knowing they would put him in a separate room and give him special treatment. That way he doesn't have to worry about campaigning or money, his supporters would donate even more feeling sorry for him.

The news would be ALL about him and nothing else would get talked about. No issues would be discussed it would all be about why he is in jail. Classic diversion.

Ocelot II

(115,496 posts)
12. This, of course, is the dilemma all these judges are facing.
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 10:32 AM
Apr 2

Should he be locked up, which is what would happen if the defendant were almost anybody else, when that would be an enormous distraction and would further fire up the loonier cult members? What else can be done? I recall that Merchan order included the sanction that Trump's team would not be given the names of prospective jurors, which doesn't sound like a big deal but it really is. Knowing your jury pool in advance is crucial to forming a trial strategy, but nobody has a constitutional right to that information, and Trump certainly shouldn't have it because of the very real likelihood that those jurors would be threatened.

Tree Lady

(11,412 posts)
67. I feel that way too
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 01:55 PM
Apr 2

but Trump in jail would 100 times that, the media would be literally frothing at the mouth!

LiberalArkie

(15,703 posts)
24. He should loose all the income. As a normal person with Social Security would.
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 11:06 AM
Apr 2

Both programs prohibit payments to most prisoners.

We will suspend your Social Security benefits if you are confined to a jail, prison or other penal institution for more than 30 continuous days due to a criminal conviction. Although you can’t get monthly Social Security benefits while you are confined, we will continue to pay benefits to your dependent spouse or children as long as they remain eligible.

If you get SSI, we will stop your payments after you are imprisoned for a month.

If you use our prerelease procedure, we may be able to reinstate your benefits starting with the month you are released. SSI recipients who are confined 12 consecutive months or longer, must reapply for SSI and again be approved.

https://faq.ssa.gov/en-US/Topic/article/KA-02549#:~:text=We%20will%20suspend%20your%20Social%20Security%20benefits%20if,30%20continuous%20days%20due%20to%20a%20criminal%20conviction.

3Hotdogs

(12,308 posts)
29. I hope that doesn't happen. He donates all his money to charity.
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 11:14 AM
Apr 2

Right?

He does, doesn't he?

He says he does. He doesn't need the money. He does what he does as a pubic service.

DENVERPOPS

(8,777 posts)
64. Exactly TL
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 01:12 PM
Apr 2

The judges, Prosecutors, etc know that if they do anything to him, it will set off pandemonium across the nation by his Trumphumpers and militia members.....They will immediately elevate him to be a Martyr......

The Republican Politicians may actually hate HIM, but they back him in Public because of what he has done and continues to do.
The Sane Republican politicians have seen what the Republican Party has done to dissenters like Mary Cheney, etc
The Republican politicians love the lifestyle they are living, and will do anything to maintain it........
How else can a nobody or crook run for election, and win, just by repeating Trump's shit over and over.....???????

WASF

Happy Hoosier

(7,175 posts)
5. I agree...
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 10:20 AM
Apr 2

.... if there are no consequences to his constant violations, why would he stop?

And some pissant fine won;t do it either.

kacekwl

(7,008 posts)
27. Let it happen
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 11:10 AM
Apr 2

And have his cult that show up with guns at the jail treated like anyone else who attacks police suffer the consequences. About time they need to see what happens.

quakerboy

(13,914 posts)
75. They wont be treated like anyone else
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 10:19 PM
Apr 2

But that in itself is a lesson that maybe the nation needs to be reminded of. And that law enforcement maybe need a reminder course in. They simp for the republicans so often, and yet it gets them nothing from the maga crowd, when rubber meets road.

getagrip_already

(14,529 posts)
31. His supportes will do no such thing....
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 11:19 AM
Apr 2

They learned their lesson on 1/6.

They will threaten anonymously, and be all over rwnj sites, but they won't be at the jail with guns.

ShazzieB

(16,198 posts)
71. I tend to agree.
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 08:29 PM
Apr 2

A random MAGA lunatic or two might show up, sure, but they'd be dealt with easily. At this point in time, I don't think he has the power to summon a mob the way he did on J6.

He may think (or at least hope) he still has that power, but I believe those days are over. I think it's high time somebody called his bluff.

Escurumbele

(3,364 posts)
66. We have a military, we spend a lot of money on them, they are there to defend the country from foreign and domestic
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 01:45 PM
Apr 2

enemies, so let them come, maybe the Darwin effect can cleanse some of it.

People need to stop worrying about things like that, the USA has a defense system who should and must take care of it.

ShazzieB

(16,198 posts)
72. I could not agree more!
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 08:37 PM
Apr 2

Whatever his fantasies may be about being "rescued" by a mob of loyal supporters, they are just that: fantasies

I say throw him in the slammer, call his freaking bluff, and have a well-armed team ready to deal with any addle-brained cultists who might try anything. That is all.

FalloutShelter

(11,812 posts)
3. Trump wants to be arrested....
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 10:19 AM
Apr 2

Easter is over, the cross is empty, and he is ready to jump on it.
He wants to be a martyr. It would be THE only story for at least a week, and he could raise money off of it and maybe even cause the right to pop off and start killing people.

HE WANTS to go to be arrested.

bluestarone

(16,827 posts)
10. THIS is the ONLY answer
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 10:29 AM
Apr 2

HE will continue to destroy us either way, so yea call his ass in and take away ALL social media, using the law of CYBER STALKING!! Hell it's pretty clear what his goal is!!

Attilatheblond

(2,107 posts)
11. And NO special jailhouse accomedations
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 10:31 AM
Apr 2

Hard bench, regular jail population, no private toilet (gold or otherwise)

Read that he posted, what, over 70 times during the weekend. He has driven his family away and is one lonely, unloved toxic individual. Maybe he thinks being tossed in jail will get him some family attention along with donations from profoundly ignorant people and one or two rich guys who want sway over him.

AllaN01Bear

(17,876 posts)
33. the next question , ? what about his ss detail. will he be remanded over to the prison gaurds
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 11:27 AM
Apr 2

or will he still have his ss detail.?

Tree Lady

(11,412 posts)
68. I have two thoughts
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 02:00 PM
Apr 2

1. Regular jail but alone in cell with cameras 24/7 and SS down the hall in a office starring at those cameras all day.

2. Military prison with same SS in office watching him all day.

Polybius

(15,305 posts)
47. Can't happen
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 11:57 AM
Apr 2

The SS has to be there with him, and he can never be with the regular jail population. He would need a special jail.

calimary

(81,000 posts)
70. Take ALL devices.
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 08:21 PM
Apr 2

And make sure nobody slips him one if he's allowed to have visitors. Which he actually shouldn't be allowed to do. Jail or imprisonment is supposed to be a lesson all by itself.

Straw Man

(6,621 posts)
82. No devices are allowed in jail anyway.
Wed Apr 3, 2024, 01:11 AM
Apr 3

At least not in New York State. I used to teach in state prisons in NY. I would have been fired if I even entered the building with a cellphone, much less tried to get through screening with it.

ProfessorGAC

(64,764 posts)
9. Then Do It
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 10:26 AM
Apr 2

The cult is 100% committed. His "martyrdom" won't get them to 101%.
And, if some nuts get violent, that could turn off R leaning swing voters.
His playing martyr is unlikely to work out the way he thinks. Using "thinks" loosely.

CrispyQ

(36,404 posts)
14. If we let fear of violence keep us from doing the right thing then they've already won. We stand for nothing.
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 10:42 AM
Apr 2

It's disgusting how this guy is getting such preferential treatment in our supposed rule of law nation because he has money & we're apparently afraid of his base. This piece of shit is getting privileged treatment that no one has ever gotten in our country.




This would have been a jail cell for anyone else.

birdographer

(1,292 posts)
55. It's so bizarre
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 12:16 PM
Apr 2

He is the greatest single-person threat the country has ever faced, and he is treated with kid gloves, getting away with more than any American ever has and still be allowed free. It's like all the people with the power to stop him, right and left, have chosen together to do absolutely nothing about him. Meanwhile, American citizens are outraged. To absolutely no effect. America looks stupid to the rest of the world, AGAIN.

jaxexpat

(6,777 posts)
41. Then, you may have hit on the REAL reason he's not in jail. The PTB won't allow it.
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 11:33 AM
Apr 2

After a few days, people will adjust pretty easily to his irrelevance and absence from the front page 24/7. He would lose the election even more profoundly, taking the GOP down into the dead zone of history with him. So, these tools have no choice but to play the hand they already dealt themselves. It's too late and only magical thinking addicts would think otherwise. He's already broke the RNC bank and the big cat donor's boards of directors will frown on throwing good money after bad. The only hole card Trump has is the USSC and they're only good for delay tactics at this or any foreseeable point.
Just how does anyone think will it play out if that crooked court tries to twist reality into a Trump win despite Biden's win by an actual land slide? There could be a bunch of people at the steps of the court walking through barricades and stuff. It's happened before, and for no good reason.

Let's all get clear about a few things; Gore won, Hillary won and Byden won, and will win again, as well.

Tansy_Gold

(17,843 posts)
65. Heads he wins; tails we lose.
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 01:44 PM
Apr 2

So what if he becomes a "martyr"?

If the courts do nothing, if they let him continue to get away with it, someone is almost certain to be seriously hurt or even be killed. The J6 event is evidence of the probability of this happening. He's going to keep egging them on until they do exactly what they did then, or in Charlottesville, or any of the other "incidents." Doing nothing will not stop it. Doing nothing will encourage it, and will further erode what little power the courts still have. Doing nothing is a lose-lose-lose proposition.

If a judge, any judge, takes action and really locks him up, prevents him from doing any more of this, yes, there's a possibility that he'll become a "martyr" and his followers will do something horrible. There's also the possibility that it will finally shut him up, help the judicial system regain some authority and respect, and bring at least a few of the cult followers under control. Doing something MAY stop it. Doing something MAY help.

Isn't "doing something" worth the risk?

Tommy Carcetti

(43,119 posts)
16. Once again, this is a jury trial.
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 10:43 AM
Apr 2

His very first words after issuing the order: "I just was informed that another corrupt New York Judge, Juan Merchan, GAGGED me..."

Keep in mind, unlike the civil fraud trial, this is a jury trial. There will be a pool of potential jurors, and when the presiding judge is labeled by one of the parties as "corrupt," it instantly creates a threat of prejudice where jurors--perhaps even subconsciously--perceive or associate the judge on the case as being "corrupt" and then questioning the legitimacy of the entire proceedings.

In any type of reasonable world, this here should be a violation of the order, right off the bat.

If the order does not already expressly prohibit this behavior, it should immediately be amended to do so.

lees1975

(3,832 posts)
20. Yet another criminal act that will be ignored and go without consequences.
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 10:54 AM
Apr 2

It will take real courage to enforce the law. I haven't seen much of that kind of will in our justice system. They'll keep backing down, making noise and doing nothing.

underpants

(182,530 posts)
30. The social media account was fake?
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 11:15 AM
Apr 2

I’m aware of the BREAKING NEWS source. I figured something had to be rooted in some fact.

3825-87867

(835 posts)
39. NOt only should jurors be THOROUGHLY vetted...
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 11:30 AM
Apr 2

but the friends and acquaintences of any juror should be questioned as to whether they EVER suggested or mentioned supporting trump or Biden. If they did, then they're out.
Give all jurors the same vetting as when we all had to go through a secutiy clearance, check with friends, realatives, neighbors even the garbage men. And...find out which media they watch and how often. It's just that this is much more important than any other clearence test, even National Security...as it has turned out these passed few years.

WA-03 Democrat

(3,034 posts)
44. Sure - why not
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 11:46 AM
Apr 2

Nothing else has worked. Maybe baby steps. Running out of ways to pretend there are any consequences for his illegal actions.

Chainfire

(17,413 posts)
43. The path for the judges is not very complicated; just treat the man the same way you would treat anyone else.
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 11:41 AM
Apr 2

Chainfire

(17,413 posts)
69. And that is exactly the reason that I have little hope of justice in the Trump case.
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 08:08 PM
Apr 2

Justice is for shoplifters, pot sellers, and lawnmower thiefs, not the rich and powerful.

S/V Loner

(8,997 posts)
45. Why would he care about a fine?
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 11:49 AM
Apr 2

The RNC is probably covering it for him. He considers the statements as part of his campaign. It's just a campaign expense.
They need to just lock him up, deal with the repercussions, and get on with doing the right thing before the Nation is in the shitcan.

Ligyron

(7,607 posts)
81. "They need to just lock him up, deal with the repercussions, and get on with doing the right thing
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 11:43 PM
Apr 2

...before the Nation is in the shitcan."

Couldn't possibly agree more. We can't be hostage to stochastic terrorism or outright terrorism of any kind. Up to now only foreign powers have made these kind of threats ... safely separated from reality by oceans.

Bu, but somebody might get muh muh mad and hurt somebody!

Somebody IS going to get hurt because, make no mistake about it, we are in a WAR people. Some of the wealthiest entities on the planet have thrown ungodly sums of money toward brainwashing the poorly educated among us and it's both sad and frightening to see how successful they've been and how many morans there really are.

Still, only the most deluded Trump loving paintball coplayer thinks they have even the slightest chance to win an engagement with The United States of America.

The Proud Boys and 1%'er's leaders were arrested and taken to jail and their little army did nothing about it. They supposedly had a bunch of guns and bombs on Jan 6th which was going to be their day of rage. Did you hear the shit talking and big threats issued in that crowd?Thought they were going to take over the world.

Okay, the mob and their members beat up and even eventually killed a few vastly outnumbered Capital Police. Some of those in the mob were armed, probably felt real cool flashing their gear to others in the crowd, like look what a badass I am. Then, when the National Guard and other law enforcement finally showed up ... they ran for the hills.

A lot of idiots in that crowd even videoed the whole thing for law enforcement and then posted it on social media! Not only incriminating themselves but scores of others who got caught on Candid Camera. They're still getting outed.

They'd have run away a lot sooner had the cavalry showed up like it was a BLM rally but as we now know, Trump and his toadies had done about everything possible to make sure the Capitol Police were the only thing available to try and stop their takeover of the reigns of power, overturn the results of the most fairly run and won election ever and install their orange gawd back in power.

Anyway, those guys, the Proud Bois and 1%er's were suppose to be the best they had ... the ones, among others, who came armed and were going to "Fight for Trump"? Didn't happen. After seeing hundreds of fellow travelers arrested and jailed they didn't answer their Leader's call to come and fight for him in New York or Miami, IN FLORIDA my home state, now packed full of Trump sympathizers unfortunately. Oh, they might fly a Trump Flag, put stickers on their cars, bitch about Hippies down at the VFW and vote for him but that's it. The idea of a civil war being won by the likes of them is absolutely ridiculous. We'd clean their clocks if they, whoever "they" are, actually shows up and tries to start one start one. Even if a small but dedicated group of them with some skills actually "won" one battle by oh idk, say like ... murdering a bunch of unprepared prison personnel. But it wouldn't inspire anyone else and they'd suffer a sad fate. If not sooner, then later.

Citizens like us are in the Majority and we have Righteousness and The Rule of Law on our side and if that's not enough for some people, well, there are much bigger sticks available.


Takket

(21,517 posts)
46. So jail him until the trial
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 11:55 AM
Apr 2

Otherwise it is all just smoke and mirrors. Issuing gag orders won’t stop anything.

ScratchCat

(1,975 posts)
54. Its worse than this and way past time
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 12:10 PM
Apr 2

The picture he shared with Biden tied up is a clear threat of violence against the POTUS considering who it came from. That right there should result in him being arrested and charged with making threats. It's even worse than the "artwork" that Kathie Griffin did, which was clearly in bad taste. Being charged for that would then be a violation of his bond agreement in all four criminal cases. His bonds must be revoked and he must be held without access to the media until trial. There is no other option. It would be "political" NOT to detain him. I'm about done with this administrations "walking upon egg shells" with all things concerning Trump.

Alpeduez21

(1,748 posts)
61. The judge will just reduce the penalty and give more time to comply
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 12:31 PM
Apr 2

Nobody seems to have the conviction it takes to jail a ‘rich’ white man. He should’ve been in jail a long time ago

lees1975

(3,832 posts)
78. Nothing happened today.
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 10:25 PM
Apr 2

Will anything happen tomorrow, other than another defiant social media post violating the gag order again?

Justice doesn't appear to be very consistent in this country, does it?

BlueKota

(1,609 posts)
80. If he goes to jail now or if he ends up getting convicted
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 10:40 PM
Apr 2

in one of the criminal trials(if he finally has to go on trial), some of his freak followers will riot no matter when it happens. So does he get away with everything he did just because everyone is too afraid of what he will do?

Even if we win the election by a landslide do we think he and his mob just going to go away quietly and not cause trouble then too?

At some point someone has to gather the courage to draw a line in the sand and declare enough is enough and confront this head on.

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