Jon Stewart is Lost

[angrychair]

Or just doesn't get it anymore. His making light of Trump's re-posting of the threatening image is equally bizarre and disappointing.
Instead of directing his comments towards Trump, he decided to belittle Biden and attack the media and all but ignore Trump or make little of it.

That the @thedailyshow posted it thinking it was something to showcase, just makes the point that maybe The Daily Show should just be cancelled.

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[NewHendoLib]

1. Stewart lost me with that big "let's all get along" shindig he did in DC

Somehow, he seems naive.

[betsuni]

7. Writer Steve Almond's take on that:

"The event amounted to a goofy variety show, capped by one of Stewart's earnest homilies. Americans are a decent people, he insisted, capable of making 'reasonable compromises.' As proof, he showed a video of cars merging in the Holland Tunnel: 'Oh my God, is that an NRA sticker on your car, is that an Obama sticker on your car? Well, that's okay. You go and then I'll go. Sure, at some point there will be a selfish jerk who zips up the shoulder and cuts in at the last minute. But that individual is rare and he is scorned and not hired as a TV analyst.'

"Almost everything about this riff was baloney. His side kick Colbert was living proof that networks hire so many selfish jerks as to create a cottage industry of parodic jerks. The maestros of conservative talk radio, an industry born of consumer rage, had, in fact, taken possession of the Republican Party, with aims on our national discourse. In Stewart's formulation, the problem wasn't us noble citizens. It was villainous pundits and politicians. ... Stewart had convinced more than 200,000 Americans to crowd the National Mall on the eve of a pivotal election, with millions more watching at home. To what end had he mobilized these citizens? Voter registration? Phone banking? Door-to-door canvasing? No, self-congratulation."

The People are innocent and nice and good, blame both sides media and political establishment corrupt bad elites.

[UTUSN]

17. Me, too!

[Charging Triceratops]

32. He lost me then, too!

I expected fire and brimstone. I got lukewarm decaf coffee. Stewart is a pompous corporate stooge; always was.

[ecstatic]

2. he's always been like this

Didn't he bash President Obama all the time too?

[angrychair]

3. Not like this

And not when so much is on the line

[Cha]

4. How damn Dense does he have to be to

be like what you described?

What was it he got so much Pushback on the first time he was on Monday nights? I seem to remember some non apology or something like that I read on DU.

Oh yeah.. the age thing and Rob Reiner Tweeted the best Reply to That. Which I do no have now because the journals are down.

Those who do this kind of thing Do Not Give a Shit about America and Democracy.

[Mordred]

5. He used it to set up

his point that AI was a far bigger danger used both politically and to society as a whole.

[Xolodno]

6. I liked his last show, thought his monologue was funny.

I think many here take things a bit too seriously and expect him to be a news pundit on the left who just happens to do comedy. I mean C'mon, its Comedy Central and he's never claimed to be any sort of serious journalist, the opposite to be exact.

And his interview with the FTC Chair Lina Khan, he pointed out that he wanted to interview her for his podcast. Apple vetoed and prohibited him from doing so. That's the real eye opener. A flagrant dumb joke is not.

And I know, I should expect incoming in 3...2...1...

[KS Toronado]

19. INCOMING!

I'll stand with you, he's a comedian first, news pundit second. He was making fun of journalists who said it
was disturbing, I wasn't a bit disturbed seeing it. One would need to be directly behind it for it to look even
remotely real, off to the side a little bit and you know it's bullshit.

Plus if someone could kidnap the President away from the Secret Service it would be broadcast 24/7 on all
airwaves, plus how stupid would kidnappers be to parade around their prize for everyone to see? Follow
me to my hideout where I'm gonna write my ransom note and please don't call the cops on me.

Much to do about nothing except news media types who believe people would believe it and be disturbed.

...

[Traildogbob]

29. Ditto

[Silent Type]

8. I kind of agree with Stewart if he said the following, which I think he did say.

“If you think that's really Joe Biden tied up in the back of that pickup truck, you may not have the mental acuity to be operating a motor vehicle.”

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trump is still a POS, and I’m sure Stewart knew his comments would result in a ruckus.

[angrychair]

12. No one thinks that

It was about TFG posting an image of the current person in office being harmed.

He choose to use his time to make light of the incident and attack the press and to essentially give TFG a complete pass on the while thing.

I'm tired of people like Stewart protecting trump by normalizing what he does.
I have heard Stewart make dramatic and relentless attacks on Biden and his age and intelligence yet he barely ever even mentions trump. Guess Stewart wants those rich people tax cuts.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

15. Remember what happened to Kathy Griffin?

Who thought that was real? She still got banned from usual TV gigs.

[colorado_ufo]

23. First time I have seen that, although I certainly heard about it.

Pretty much turned my stomach, especially because there are people who actually have died that way, including American citizens. Bottom line, it just wasn't funny. Poor judgment.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

53. I think these images show us something important

.... How perception warps our shock tolerance. Griffin's prank isn't funny, Neither is an image of Biden hogtied. But clearly they both struck a nerve.

I've always thought TSF's typical rhetoric so disgusting, that when he tries to be serious and responsible, I can't buy it for a second. Mainly I try to avoid hearing his voice. It is a trigger. And brings out the worst in our collective humanity, including shock images. And of course the pump has been primed by the likes of Alex Jones and Steve Banon. They want us at each other's throats. And I guess we are. Jon Stewart seems unable to see that..

[colorado_ufo]

59. Well said.

And perceptive.

[SleeplessinSoCal]

62. Thank you. Wish it wasn't the case.

I hope with every fiber that the likes of Jones and Bannon are exposed for the damage done because of their money making schemes.

[Earth-shine]

21. There was a time when such a thing would get you a visit from the secret service.

It happened to one of my great uncles something like 80 or 90 years ago.

He wrote a letter threatening the president. (I don't remember which one.) He got a visit.

Surely that picture of Biden tied up is worth a thousand words.

:

This is the first time I've seen the Kathy Griffin picture shown above. Wow! That's a bit much.

[Bucky]

9. I think the Biden image speaks for itself. I thought his take on it was funny.

He's definitely not lost. Magats hold everyone else in contempt, which leads to their ridiculous use of the tailgate decal. It shows how flaky they are. I don't need Stewart to boil with outrage over every idiotic thing some Magoid does somewhere around the country.

Enjoy the comedy. His show is funny.

[angrychair]

11. It's wasn't some random magat

That image was re-posted by TFG.
Yet Stewart used it to attack the press, take a couple of swipes at Biden and one minor comment about trump to the effect of "yea, he shouldn't have done that"
He trys to imply people are thinking that is really Biden. No one thinks that. The outrage is about TFG re-posting an image of violence against the current person in office.
That's the outrage. That's what the jokes should be about. Not making jokes at the expense of Biden who Stewart obviously hates.

[muriel_volestrangler]

34. What were the couple of swipes at Biden? The clip you posted cut out before then

No, I can in no way see that Stewart "obviously hates" Biden. He was obviously supportive of his State of the Union speech, for instance.

[Bucky]

58. Yes, re-posted. The image was made by some rando

Seriously, this little dorky whack-off moment doesn't add to the net hostility (or frivolousness) residing among the untelligencia.

You can't let yourself get provoked so easily. You'll burn out. We need you in October and November

[Sky Jewels]

10. I've long gotten a "rich arrogant white man" vibe

from him. He’s above it all. Reality won’t harm him. He’s in his safe bubble.

He has the luxury of looking down on everyone else and scolding them for not being as chill as he is.

Plus, any man who hates cats SUCKS.

[Doc Sportello]

26. Nailed it for me

Plus I never found him to be funny. He had great contributors like Colbert and Black, then he would react with a lot of mugging that was supposed to be funny.

[Fichefinder]

13. We used to see pictures of dead American soldiers being put in body bags on the nightly news

His point was to ridicule those who would not show the image because they were afraid their audience would faint at the sight of what was obviously a picture on a tailgate.
His point was that by self censoring we create an.echo chamber.

[flvegan]

14. Actually watched the clip, disagree. My opinion?

Attack the media? Yes, and well done. Belittle Biden? Didn't see that. Isn't the whole spectacle that the orange clown pulls from his dipshit followers, these braindead masses, making fun of (or bringing light to the danger of) Trump?

My take away from that clip is just how shit our media is (looking at you too, MSNBC), and honestly just how stupid and reactionary far too many folks are that are too caught up in their own tribalism (from the comments section of the clip).

But I also still have an intact sense of humor, and I've not been overrun by the constant need to be outraged by anything that doesn't feed and agree with my perception. That's just a general statement, not a reflection on the OP, and these are just my reflective thoughts. Don't get it twisted, alert squad.

[UTUSN]

16. I lost him years ago when he made Third Way moves

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getting Crossfire cancelled, making nice with O'Reilly and Beck

[SleeplessinSoCal]

18. I don't know a lot about Stewart.

I know he thinks big picture, heard he has friends in his hometown who love TSF, understands high finance (because his brother?), craves an audience cheering for him. He may be trying to stay alive.

[flying-skeleton]

20. You're way off base

Sheesh..... Relax.

[Mountainguy]

22. I watched the clip

and it was funny. Reminded me of when I watched him in college.

He was making a point about how ridiculous the coverage of that was, and he was right. Most people would look at that and say "So what?" So when the media covers it like that then how can they cover it when Trump does things that actually need to be covered seriously. It's the boy who cried wolf.

[Trueblue1968]

24. I Dont like him much anymore. All he seems to do is bash president Biden.

[Chakaconcarne]

25. Daily show should be cancelled?

and we wonder why such a progressive show takes shots at progressives.

[brooklynite]

27. Are you willing to accept any jokes targeted at the left?

[SocialDemocrat61]

38. Yes, if they are fair and based on truth

but not based on lies and GOP talking points.

[Think. Again.]

28. I watched the clip and it was clear to me...

....that he was making fun of (comedian, remember?) the news media who seem to over-react to the tailgate sticker itself, acting as though it was too gruesome to be shown on air.

[angrychair]

30. The point was not the point

That mattered. It was the TFG re-posting that image. That was the point. 99.9% of us would never even know anything about it but for TFG re-posting it. That was the real issue.

My issue with Stewart is, especially when it comes to Biden, he always seems to come down in a way to never blame TFG and always, even if subtle, to take swipes at Biden.
Tired of Stewart giving Trump a pass on everything.

Since he has been back I have yet to hear Stewart make an unequivocal, clear and obvious dig at TFG without watering it down by also taking swipes at Biden or someone else as well.
Like when Leslie Jones was hosting the show the other day, on multiple occasions, made unapologetic and clear condemnation of TFG. So have others. Stewart, as far as I can tell, has not.

[Think. Again.]

33. Cool, but he never did any of what you're complaining about...

...in that bit.

He made fun of the news media for being ridiculous about the sticker.

[angrychair]

41. The point still stands

He joked about it it as if it wasn't that big of a deal. He attacked the media for being overly dramatic (my only criticism was they were being overly dramatic about the wrong thing) and his only comment about trump was a dismissive "yea, he shouldn't have done it" but otherwise had zero criticism for Trump over the while things.

[Think. Again.]

46. Yes, his joke was about how silly the news media was being about the sticker...

...you're correct, he didn't go into any other aspect of anything, just made a joke for his comedy show about how overly dramatic the news shows were being about showing the sticker.

[angrychair]

47. Yes

but the point was the stir up was not about the decal itself but TFG re-posting the image of the current person in office being hogtied and kidnapped.
Stewart just glossed over that point completely and made it about the news media then what it should have been about.

I'm over the news media, with few exceptions, giving TFG a pass or normalizing it by ignoring it.

[Think. Again.]

48. Correct, Stewart, a comedian, did a joke about the news programs.

It seems people think he had some kind of obligation to do something else.

[angrychair]

49. No, that excuse doesn't hold water

Anymore. That excuse worked when it was first playing along side with The Man Show and Crank Yankers but the show evolved in the public perception and in public discourse.
In the past the shows interviews and commentary has been cited by everyone from news shows to Congress. It has been held up as having some of the best public commentary on current events on any show, of any kind, in all of TV land.
Stewart himself has long shed the label as "simple comedian" as he has been a guest of many news shows and non stand up related speaking engagements, as a community activist/advocate for first responders and veterans and when he took on the show at AppleTV that, while funny at times, was not a comedy show.
Weather Stewart accepts it or not, his opinions carry significant weight and influence in political discourse and just saying whatever he wants and shielding himself from responsibility with "I'm just a comedian" is no longer valid

[Think. Again.]

50. I don't understand what you're talking about...

I don't watch television.

But I do know that yes, Jon Stewart is a television comedian, and he was doing comedy on the comedy television show "The Daily Show" when he made a joke about how the news programs handled the truck sticker.

[shrike3]

31. Trump posting the image is egging on his followers. Or at least putting their fantasies on display.

Which is why it is serious.

We had a plot to kidnap the governor of Michigan a few years ago, did we not?

[Sympthsical]

36. He's making fun of the hysteria

And he's right. Between the decal and the bloodbath, I keep wondering if people really are going to try to keep things at Full 11 for the next eight months. That's a sure recipe to burn everyone out - particularly voters.

And it also weirdly normalizes Trump. Dangerously, in my mind. Because every time some bit of nothing gets ramped up to It's The Worst Thing That's Happened In The History of Ever, regular people who don't live and breathe partisan politics are going to glance over and see it's not the Apocalypse people are screaming about. And that's when they tune out.

And once people tune out, they're less likely to pay attention to the really dangerous things Trump does. It gets melted down into Trump being Trump.

"The people on TV are screaming about Trump!"
"They're always screaming about Trump."
"True. *changes channel*"

[Renew Deal]

37. How did he belittle Biden?

A specific example would be helpful.

[SocialDemocrat61]

42. Ok

[Renew Deal]

60. What did he say specifically?

[angrychair]

43. The very way he talked about the incident

The overall vibe and message from Stewart that TFG re-posting an image of the current office holder being kidnapped and hogtied was not that big a deal (Stewart literally only says, almost offhandedly, "yea, sure, TFG shouldn't have done that&quot .
Any past president doing that, hell if Biden did the exact same thing for TFG, it would end all hope of being president, immediately.
From my perspective he is dismissive of it because it's Biden. That is the rub for me.

[SocialDemocrat61]

39. He's been lost for years

Like when he trashed Acorn for days based on James O'Keefe's edited videos.
And when he went on Colbert and pushed a debunked, racist theory on the origin of covid.
And when he said on his podcast that anyone who believes that the Russians interfered in the 16 election is delusional.
And when he brought Thomas E. Mann and Norman Ornstein to belittle them for their analysis that Republicans were responsible for government disfunction.
The list can go on and on. Stewart can be funny at times. The problem is that he thinks he's smarter than everyone else and hides behind the "I'm just a comedian" BS to shield himself from criticism.

[Mz Pip]

40. If anything

Stewart seemed to be mocking the media who refused to show the image because they thought it was too upsetting. Good grief, the media needs to show everyone what Trump uses to inflame his supporters. Maybe it will shake more people into the reality of how low Trump and his followers will go.

[Nanjeanne]

44. I still enjoy him. Miss his Apple Show. I guess I'm easy - I like to laugh.

[New Breed Leader]

45. yeah, fuck Jon Stewart forever

[Elessar Zappa]

51. Disagree.

I like his program. And he doesn’t work for the. Biden campaign, he’s a comedian. Nobody’s off limits unless they go like Chapelle and descend into punching downward.

[Lunabell]

52. How did he become so "both sideristic?"

And lame. I think during his time off he read too Qanon bullshit on the internet. Next thing you know, he'll be antivaxxing.

[agingdem]

54. He lost me long before he and Apple TV parted ways..

I found him smug, self righteous, and preachy...Jon Stewart returning to The Daily Show is like a 1980's rock star on a comeback tour attempting to sing his old hits when his voice is gone...

[B.See]

55. I dunno.. Maher syndrome?

though the latter SEEMS at least to have backed off the both-siderisms of late.

Anyway, helluva time for fence sitting, methinks.

[agingdem]

56. Irrelevance is a bitch!

[Hassler]

57. As KO said about his Bothsider Biden too old

Stewart is also too old, over the hill, past his sell by day... Just like Andrea Mitchell, Maureen Dowd and all the other Biden is too old critics.

[BlueTsunami2018]

61. I thought he was right.

The way the talking heads were building it up and acting like it was some kind of harrowing image that was unsafe to view was ludicrous.

It’s right to mock that.