Almost 50,000 Wisconsin voters just told Biden to stop the Gaza war. Will he listen?

[Lonestarblue]

Ignoring the message that swing voters are sending is dangerous. US policy for arming Israel must change. I don’t think these voters are protesting the existence of Israel. They are protesting Israel’s decimation of Gaza and its murders and deliberate starvation of innocent Palestinians, and now humanitarian aid workers, and the US role enabling Israel. Not a good look. I hope Biden’s advisers are paying attention.

We all know that Trump would be a worse alternative since he would just tell Bibi to do whatever he wants so long as he reserved waterfront property in Gaza for a Trump development. But I think these protest voters are registering their belief that our policy is wrong and needs to change. How that will play out in November is anyone’s guess at this moment, but if nothing changes and Israel has murdered many thousands more Palestinians, the result for Biden will be a lot of no votes.

Edited to add link and info:

“This Tuesday, more than 48,000 people defied cold, rainy weather to register protest votes in the Wisconsin Democratic primary against the Biden administration’s unrelenting support for Israel’s war on Gaza.

In 2020, Biden defeated Trump in Wisconsin by an excruciatingly narrow margin of victory of about 21,000 votes. As of Wednesday afternoon, Wisconsin’s “uninstructed” vote tally – the equivalent of the “uncommitted” campaign that Arab Americans launched in Michigan – was 48,093 votes, more than twice Biden’s 2020 win margin.”

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/apr/04/wisconsin-democrats-biden-stop-gaza-war

[LiberalFighter]

1. Not much in the way of details.

[Lonestarblue]

3. Sorry--not enough coffee this morning! I just added some details and a link to the article.

[emulatorloo]

56. Yeah, AFAIK there was no option on the ballot that said "Biden Must Stop The Gaza War."

So op-ed writer is making a lot of ass-umptions.

[Ocelot II]

2. So just exactly how is he going to do that, since he's the president of the US,

not the president of Israel?

[Redleg]

4. Don't you know that only Democratic presidents have agency?

People seem to expect democratic presidents to be able to achieve miracles even in the face of constraints and opposing politicians.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

6. He's going to propose a ceasefire, which Hamas will reject

And these idiots will blame Biden.

[PufPuf23]

35. Hamas will reject grounds for ceasefire because Israel will only accept

a ceasefire 100% on Israel's terms, some of which cannot be achieved or measured (like 100% return of hostages). There is the assumption that Hamas has command and control in Gaza and that is a joke.

POTUS Biden is doing what he can to dampen the attack on Gaza (and the illegal West Bank settlements) and to avoid a wider regional war. Israel under current leadership is using the USA for cover.

[Irish_Dem]

8. I know, it is ridiculous.

Israel is a sovereign nation and it will do what it wants to do.

[elocs]

36. Good, then they can do without any arms & weapons from the U.S. then. n/t

[edisdead]

38. So you are ok with them being wiped off the planet.

Iran will destroy them.

[Coventina]

39. I'm coming to the conclusion that many DUers want to see the death of the only liberal democracy

in the Middle East.

It's pretty shocking.

[Big Blue Marble]

70. What you describe is our ideal of Israel,

not what is has become. It is not at all acting as a democracy when the government
is run by a corrupt PM who is attempting to weaken the courts to stay out of jail and holds power by aligning with two far right-wing fascists who are brutalizing the
Palestinians. And that is just the beginning of the ways, the current
leadership is destroying what was a democracy at least for the Israelis.

[TwilightZone]

10. Magic wand

I also find it interesting to see it referred to as the "Gaza war". It's more accurately referred to as the Israel-Hamas war, but Hamas' role is often ignored, usually intentionally. Hamas isn't even mentioned in the article.

[Oopsie Daisy]

11. Interesting, isn't it?

Thanks for pointing that out to us.

[lapucelle]

51. That's the Al Jazeera framing. Democracy Now! is even worse: "Israel's War on Gaza". N/T

[emulatorloo]

57. Fwiw the op-ed writer also writes for The Intercept and Jacobin, so not surprised at questionable

assertions and framing.

[Big Blue Marble]

71. As most see the destruction of every aspect of Gazan life and read the stories

of how a million children lives are being destroyed by starvation, trauma, and carnage. They know that this is a war on Gaza not just Hamas. No one has
forgotten how horrible the war crimes that Hamas committed were.

IDF's conduct of this war has totally changed the narrative of how it
all plays out. Most of us do not like our ally intentionally starving
and displacing over 2 million people to flush out the last remaining Hamas
fighters, especially with our complicity. And we will speak up.

[agingdem]

12. Exactly..

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Biden is not Israel's shadow president ...he can send Secretary Blinkin to advise and act as a go-between, qualify the dollar amount of military aid, express his frustration with the direction of the war, but Biden cannot free the hostages and pull a cease-fire out of the air...and like it or not, there are always innocent casualties of war…and while the angels among us volunteer to feed the starving, they are still in the middle of a brutal war and the risk of aid workers losing their lives is massive..

As an aside...when the US invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, where was the outcry for a cease-fire?….where was the outrage at the loss of innocent lives?…what is forgotten in the hysteria of the anti-Israel protesters is the one given..Hamas is a terrorist organization, a terrorist organization that perpetrated an unprovoked war, beheading, raping, dismembering, torturing, setting on fire, slaughtering, and kidnapping Israeli citizens...a terrorist organization determined to wipe the Jews from the face of the earth...Hamas is not the victim

[PatSeg]

31. True, Hamas is not the victim

And no one that I've seen on DU has claimed that they are. The outcry on DU has been about innocent civilians whether they are Jewish, Palestinian, or aid workers from around the world. We can oppose a right-wing authoritarian leader like Netanyahu and brutal Hamas terrorists at the same time.

I agree that there is nothing Biden can do, though I think many would like to see him publicly take a more definitive stand. He knows more about foreign policy than I do, so I am hopeful he is working behind the scenes to help end this horrific war.

As for Afghanistan and Iraq, I do remember many of us on the left being outraged by Bush and Cheney's wars, the loss of innocent lives, and the use of black sites and torture. And of course, we were right.

[brooklynite]

85. Point to some outcry here about Jewish innocent civilians.

[democratsruletheday]

41. Exactly Ocelot....this thread is BS

and so is the argument that he can pull Israel's strings like a puppet master. Just not true.

[riversedge]

54. That was my first thought: HOW???

[kelly1mm]

76. Or the President of the government of Gaza. They could end this war within 24 hours

by releasing (probably the bodies of) the hostages, turning over the perpetrators and masterminds of 10/7. and having the Hamas leadership go into 'retirement' in Qatar or some other welcoming country.

That is actually my preferred outcome .....

[lindysalsagal]

88. I'm really getting tired of people blaming the ancient middle-eastern wars on Joe Biden.

Seriously, don't people know this started with the Persians in like the year 2000 BC?

The over-simplification of the gaza incident isn't helping anyone, including the gazans.

I don't know what the solution is, but it sure ain't giving the 2024 election to Dementia J Trump.

[shrike3]

5. How is it possible they know the votes were all to end the Gaza War?

I'm sure a lot of them were. But since ballots are kept private, no one knows what every motivation was.

[Johnny2X2X]

7. Hmm? Stop the war?

It's almost like another country is at war, a country of which Joe Biden is not the president of.

[Stuckinthebush]

50. Right?

I don’t understand this line of thinking.

[Irish_Dem]

9. Biden blamed for what another country does.

Very successful Putin propaganda.

Americans have fallen for it.

[Oopsie Daisy]

13. And some rogue politicians, too... apparently.

And I see where at least three of them are likely to lose their own primaries to more loyal mainstream Democrats who actually support Joe Biden, his administration, and the Democratic party platform.

[Irish_Dem]

17. They are not rogue. The GOP is the party of Putin.

[PufPuf23]

40. Can you explain to me why AIPAC donates to more GOP than Democratic members of Congress?

POTUS Biden has repeatedly called for a Gaza ceasefire.

[lapucelle]

53. ...

[PufPuf23]

58. You already posted that chart without explanation or link in response to same question in another thread.

I noted there that was not referring to the amount of money but how many Representatives received donations from AIPAC; that was aware that Democratic Reps received more money but more GOP Reps in number, many MAGA or insurrection adjacent, received AIPAC donations.

Here is your answer there:

52. Yes, I know you posted information about numbers. Percent-based data puts numbers in perspective

Reply to PufPuf23 (Reply #51)
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 11:09 AM

You can find the chart at OpenSecrets.org.

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/american-israel-public-affairs-cmte/recipients?id=D000046963

https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/american-israel-public-affairs-cmte/totals?id=D000046963

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18839096

Still have not answered my question, "Can you explain to me why AIPAC donates to more GOP than Democratic members of Congress?"

[lapucelle]

61. Yes, I know. And you helpfully reposted the links that support my claim.

Do you have links to support yours?

[PufPuf23]

66. Yes, the link you just provided and you omitted from your post. More GOP in Congress received

money from AIPAC but less overall and less per pol.

Please answer my question of why AIPAC gives money to more GOP members of Congress than Democratic members of Congress?

Do you not read what you post? The link you supplied supports my claim, not yours.

Number of Recipients in Congress that receive money from AIPAC.

76 Democrats
92 GOP
1 Independent

House Recipients
more info

Party # of Members Average Contribution Total Contributions
Democrats 68 $41,168 $2,799,472
Republicans 85 $17,915 $1,522,776
Independents 0 $0 $0
All Parties 153 $28,249 $4,322,248
The US House of Representatives has 435 members

Senate Recipients
imore info

Party # of Members Average Contribution Total Contributions
Democrats 8 $210,551 $1,684,414
Republicans 7 $139,739 $978,179
Independents 1 $3,206 $51,300
All Parties 16 $169,618 $2,713,893
The US Senate has 100 members

from: https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/american-israel-public-affairs-cmte/recipients?id=D000046963 (that you provided and where the chart you posted is from).

[lapucelle]

68. Is there a point to this?

The efforts on *social media* and by astroturfed pro-Hamas marchers to demonize AIPAC in an attempt to divide Democrats are clearly not working, despite the money tech-bro billionaire Neville Roy Singham is funneling to his anti-Biden movement through the Goldman Sachs "Philanthropy Fund".



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The American Multimillionaire Marxists Funding Pro-Palestinian Rage

Neville Roy Singham and his wife Jodie Evans are China propagandists—and a primary source of the fury exploding on our streets

https://www.thefp.com/p/american-marxists-funding-pro-palestinian-rage

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The Influence Watch page on The People's Forum:

Funding

In 2019, The People’s Forum received $12 million through the Goldman Sachs Philanthropy Fund, a donor-advised fund provider. This was not the first time the Forum received a hefty sum in this manner: it was given $4,400,000 in 2018 and $2,500,000 in 2017 through the Philanthropy Fund.

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/the-peoples-forum/

[PufPuf23]

69. I asked the simple question of why does AIPAC give more money to more GOP than Democratic members of Congress,

while acknowledging that more AIPAC money goes to Democratic members.

AIPAC gives more money to more GOP members of Congress than Democratic members of Congress is a fact; that AIPAC gives more money to Democratic members is also a fact. The fact is clear in the links you provided on multiple occasions and then mislead others in your posts and lack of initial lack of link in two separate threads.

You do not answer my question (4X) but deflect and mis-represented what was at the link you provided on several occasions.

Think I am more in line with current goals and rhetoric of POTUS Biden, Senator Schumer, SOS Blinken, and other Democratic leaders that support a humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza.

What you posted has nothing to do with my question. Rather it is attack on my question without giving an answer and deliberate misdirection saying question was an attack on Democratic unity.

I am not pro-Hamas and do not support the demonstrations. Had not observed signs at demonstrations specific to Democrats and AIPAC (because do not watch the demonstrations as disagree with premise and find them disturbing and astroturf).

[lapucelle]

72. Sorry, that doesn't work on me.

But given that it seems *Very, Very Important*, perhaps you should contact them directly.

[PufPuf23]

73. Why did you post a conclusion with no link and then with a link that you misrepresented

and then did this misrepresentation in a second thread?

Would not have made it an issue myself except you answered my post (then posts) repeatedly and posted links saying I was wrong when you misrepresented what was at the link you posted.

I asked a simple question.

Why does AIPAC donate to more GOP than Democratic members of Congress?

A second question following your line of thought is, "Does this support POTUS Biden or the Democratic Party?"

[lapucelle]

74. What are you even talking about at this point?

[brooklynite]

86. Simple: More Republicans support the policies AIPAC advocates for.

Is that unexpected?

[PufPuf23]

89. Not surprising at all that the GOP aligns with the right wing in Israel.

The sole reason got in exchange with the other poster is what looks like multiple attempts to deny the fact that AIPAC donates to more GOP, many MAGA adjacent, than Democratic members of Congress.

Do not understand why the poster felt necessary to repeatedly cite a link and misrepresent what was at the link to obscure that fact followed by rudeness and dismissal.

[brooklynite]

91. Personally I find the comparison irrelevant

AIPAC supports a large number of Democrats including House leadership members.

[PufPuf23]

93. AIPAC supports more GOP members than Democratic members of Congress but gives more money to Democrats.

What bothers me is that a prolific DU poster felt the need to misrepresent on multiple occasions the facts and what was at the site they offered for evidence.

Not that impressed that AIPAC donates to so many MAGA and insurrection adjacent GOP.

Not impressed with Netanyahu and the right ward lean of the current Israeli government.

[agingdem]

32. Hama is very good at playing the victim..

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when in fact the Palestinians support Hamas and serve as human shields...Hamas stockpiles weapons in tunnels under hospitals/schools/mosques and in homes...Hamas diverts humanitarian aid (food/medical supplies/cash) into their own pockets and then blames Israel because Gazans are poor, starving, and without medical supplies.. Hama's PR "machine" works 24/7 exploiting anti-Israel sentiment...accusing Israel of Hamas fuck-ups and when proven false they cry "but what about the dead children?"...and it works.

[Coventina]

33. Heck, some DUers have fallen for it. n/t

[Walleye]

14. Frustrated at this, what do they think is motivating Joe Biden

Nobody feels the grief and loss of the death more than he does. Do they think he’s in it for the money? Why are they blaming him? We’ve had international treaties with Israel for as long as I can remember.

[sarisataka]

19. I have seen posts here

talking about US politicians bought and paid for servants of Israel. They do not name these politicians but perhaps some may think Biden is among them. I have seen him called a genocide supporter.

[Coventina]

34. I have as well. Shockingly, those posts are allowed here, apparently. n/t

[PufPuf23]

42. POTUS Biden is for a humanitarian ceasefire in Gaza.

Think it is a reasonable question to ask why AIPAC donates to more GOP (many MAGA) than Democratic members of Congress?

POTUS Biden is far cry from "Genocide Joe". Senator Schumer has also called for a ceasefire on humanitarian grounds.

Those are my Democratic leaders.

[Lonestarblue]

20. They are blaming him because the US is arming Israel and enabling the continuation of the war.

Some people seem to think that Biden can do nothing to stop Israel, and it’s true that he cannot force a change in their government. But he can stop supporting Israel in the UN, stop sending weapons, and make it clear publicly that he does not support Netanyahu’s indiscriminate killing. He can immediately recognize Palestine as a country and begin appointing a coalition of interested parties to formulate plans for a future state. He can also announce a coalition formed to create plans for rebuilding Gaza fr Palestinians, not Israeli settlers. He can do this while reiterating Israel’s right to exist but also that Palestinians have the same right to a state.

Will these changes be enough to convince Israelis that Netanyahu is causing huge problems fr their country and needs to go? I don’t know, but I do believe that sending more weapons to Israel is wrong, and Biden can definitely stop that.

After the Oct. 7 attack, Israel had the world’s sympathy. Today it has the world’s anger and hatred. As Israel’s strongest ally and the one arming their attacks, the US also is suffering that anger and hatred.

[lees1975]

24. Please get yourself informed.

Biden has already changed US UN policy regarding Israel, and abstained from a security council vote as a result of the shift. Pay attention. Biden cannot stop sending weapons, that's a congressional appropriation. Trump was impeached for doing that to Ukraine. He has made it clear, publicly, that he does not support the indiscriminate killing of people in Gaza, more than once. He has been one of the most vocal advocates, insisting on the two state solution which includes a sovereign, independent Palestinian state in Gaza. He has continuously supported this. He would have to get aid to Gaza through a Republican house, so Democrats who want to stay home, or vote third party because of this issue are only defeating what the US will do for Gaza if Biden is re-elected.

[DLCWIdem]

26. While I agree that Biden can't stop the war unilaterally

Because he isn't the PM of Isreal, there is a lot he can do. He has not changed his policy about the military aid and making it conditional. I know he is making moves to slowly change the foreign policy, but perhaps making moves is not enough. While I agree changing the policy should be slow he has got to come out. With those food kitchen workers being attacked that would have been the perfect opportunity. I was quite critical about Biden's lack of response and inability to criticize Isreal. Especially when Netanyahu's response was that is what happens in war.

[lees1975]

43. He cannot change that policy, it's a congressional appropriation.

Have you not been paying attention? He has criticized, and warned Netanyahu. They withheld a key UN security council vote, and the result of that was that Netanyahu cancelled his trip to the US. He can't reverse congressional budget appropriations. That's an extreme view that's not going to happen, even if he had a Democratic congress and could talk them into supporting it. But he doesn't have that, so it''s off the table and not a reasonable request.

Of course, what's completely lacking in this argument is the fact that Hamas attacked, and murdered, 1,500 Israelis, in peaceful venues, including their homes, including women and children, on October 7, and the Israeli response has been to root Hamas out of Gaza. Did you complain about US policy toward Israel prior to now? Did you complain about the blank check Israel has received from the US during the Bush and Trump administrations? Of Trump's antagonistic moves toward the Palestinians by moving the American embassy into Jerusalem? Do you think that playing politics with the vote will make things better for the Palestinians or are you just buying into a trendy, left wing, progressive political line?

Somehow this Republican fantasy that the United States can just snap its fingers and it's allies do what we want seems to have affected Democrats as well. The American President does not have the kind of power that Trump thinks it does, or that Biden's critics apparently think it does. This President is a statesman, with a lot of political experience. He supports a two state solution that recognizes independent, sovereign Palestinian territory in both Gaza and the West Bank, and the withdrawal of Israeli settlements there. Let him do his job, and he will. Turn this into a single issue vote, and under Trump, the US will supply all the bombs to Israel necessary to level Gaza to the ground, so that Jared Kushner can build his resorts on the beach and drill for the oil that is there.

[DLCWIdem]

49. According to WP he can stop that aid

A article written by John Huston in the WP says that he can stop the aid. I have previously posted this article and linked it. So I am not going to bother to do it now.

I think you are doing a disservice to the people who are concerned about this policy and this might prove to be a failing in the long run. By trying to mimumize the concern to a "far right fantasy" you may be setting Biden up to failure. Far from being "a far right fantasy" most people who are concerned are to the left and progressive. And increasingly more people in the middle are becoming concerned. It is not just from the fringe concern. Be careful about turning these people away by belittling them. It will be to Biden's detriment if he ignores this issues.

We know that Hamas attacked first and left 1200 Isreali's dead but the IDF has now killed 30,000 Palestinians. With the IDF not allowing aid in then killing the WK aid workers many think its overkill.

[BlueKota]

82. Republicans in Congress already are trying to

rebuke President Biden for merely suggesting a cease fire. Could you imagine how they would react if he would even suggest cutting off military and monetary aid to Israel entirely?

He is doing everything he can to help end the carnage but he is not miracle worker. It's fine for all the arm chair diplomacy experts to demand he do this, that, and the other thing, but overlook the obstacles there are to him doing it.

All this criticism of President Biden is only doing one thing, helping the dictator want to be Trump, which in the end will not only make the situation they want fixed worse, but bring the U.S. down with it.

[Demsrule86]

64. There is nothing this year in the budget...that which was passed before, I am not sure

Biden could stop it if he wanted. Biden is not the president of Israel.

[ananda]

15. He might listen now.

Hopefully.

[Cha]

45. "Listen" to what? Pres Biden has been Listening..

the one issue voters should get informed.

Pres Biden is NOT in charge of sending money or bombs to Israel. Congress is.

And, PJB is NOT in Charge of Israel "Stopping the War".

That's between Israel and the Fucking Butchers of Hamas.

But the Fascist Fucks in America are Very Satisfied that Pres Biden is being Blamed.

[lees1975]

16. Be reasonable and talk sense on this issue.

Let's talk what's reasonable and sensible here. Are you really going to stay home, or vote for a third party, or for Trump, instead of Biden, and expect that's going to resolve the Gaza war? If you are going to single-issue vote the Gaza War, which Biden did not start, and over which he has very little control, including stopping funding to Israel, and help Trump get elected, then you are a blithering, stupid, idiot.

[All Mixed Up]

18. How do we know those 50,000 voted to tell him to stop the war?

[emulatorloo]

59. Exactly. Op-ed writer makes a lot of ass-umptions.

[jimfields33]

84. What else could it be?

[All Mixed Up]

90. A million different things.

It could be 10,000 Jews who are disappointed with his handling of the war and that he doesn't support Israel even more + Democrats who aren't happy about inflation + who knows why?

Plenty of people aren't focused 100% on what's happening in Gaza.

[jimfields33]

92. That's true. Good point on the focus (or lack of) on Gaza.

[David__77]

21. Stop the flow of weapons.

The US cannot enforce a ceasefire. The US can withhold weapons.

[betsuni]

22. Told. Will he listen. Ignoring. Enabling. Are they paying attention.

Because Democrats must be constantly scolded, threatened, told what to do.

Otherwise they sit around watching Netflix and eating potato chips all day, eh? Yet at the same time they're corrupt neoliberal imperialist warmongering genociders who only think about money. Can't be both. People really should pick one caricature and stick with it.

[lindysalsagal]

23. You think Joe Biden runs Israel? Really? tell the Israeli's that.

[Mountainguy]

25. So does that mean 511k voters

Tell him to keep supporting Israel?

[BlueKota]

27. I will never understand why some people think

the way to stop a horrific situation is with a potentially even more horrific solution? How does that make sense? If Trump wins and the House and the Senate both end up Republican too, that's not going to save the people of Gaza. Republicans basically hate everyone who is not white, Christian, or a male.

How does anyone think they will do anything but threaten Muslims, Jews, and a whole bunch of other ethnic or cultural minorities even more?

I agree the U.S. should stop weapons sales to Isreal, but that has an even lesser chance of happening under a Trump dictatorship than it does under President Biden. People can find other ways to advocate to their representatives, but need to stop short of activities that aid Trump, like advising people not to vote for President Biden or other Democrats.

[Scrivener7]

28. He can't stop that war. But he can spearhead an end to

us funding and arming it.

Republicans won't allow that,but he should try anyway.

[JI7]

29. What a fucking joke these scumbags are

If they were serious thai would put some focus on the attacks in Israel and the hostages still being held. Those terrorists are the government of Gaza.

I can understand wanting Israel and the US to make changes but not when you want to deny the attacks on Israel which continue even now .

And they attack the US President but say nothing about the govt in Gaza.

[JustAnotherGen]

30. ITA On Clancy's statement here

But only after the hostages are turned over by the kidnapper terrorists.

Example - Omer Neutra who was born in NYC a month after 9/11. Israeli American serving his dual citizenship military.

My husband was excused from the Service Registration as a green card holder when he applied for his citizenship - as he served under mandatory service in Italy.

Omer has citizenship in one country which has selective service (the USA) and one which has mandatory (Israel).

If the ONLY way forward for the political leadership in Gaza is to eliminate the state of Israel and kill every single Jew . . . then they can hand him over to the USA.

That serves their desire to remove at least one Israeli from the land their charter (Hamas and their father - the Muslim Brotherhood) demands be removed.

How difficult is that?

Off to see the total number of votes. I suspect many Democratic Party members are all for ending this war triggered by an atrocious terrorist attack by a Governing body (Hamas) -

But with the same caveat I have. I want every single hostage or their corpse released. And Hamas is full of shit if they tell us they don't know where they are.

Do the Hamas thing and torture/murder any Gazan or West Banker who refuses to tell them where that hostage is.

They are great at inflicting pain on human beings to get them to bow down to their dominance - they can inflict some pain on their own.

Clancy thinks that Biden is “way out of step with both his own party and Americans generally”. Sixty-eight percent of likely voters under 45, regardless of party, said they support a permanent ceasefire in Gaza, while 77% of Democrats support it, according to a February survey by Data for Progress. Even a majority of Republicans favor a ceasefire, according to an Institute for Social Policy and Understanding poll of religious groups in February.

[edisdead]

37. Uhhhh.... HOW?

How does Biden stop a war that we are not involved in?

[Bettie]

44. Unfortunately, Netanyahu and his right wing supporters

have very obviously decided on a course of action.

I don't think there is anything that will deter them from it.

But, we should stop sending them money or munitions.

[Cha]

46. The Fascist Fucks in America are Very Satisfied That

Pres Biden is being Blamed.

the one issue voters should get informed.

Pres Biden is NOT in charge of sending money or bombs to Israel. Congress is.

And, PJB is NOT in Charge of Israel "Stopping the War".

That's between Israel and the Fucking Butchers of Hamas.

[Cha]

47. Pres Biden has been "Listening" So that's a False

Premise and Accusation..

[Demsrule86]

48. If Biden doesn't immediately end the war than Israelis should not vote for him again...

Oh wait, Biden is not the president of Israel. There is only so much he can do.

[DFW]

52. I hope not

An American president doesn‘t give orders to other countries. Even Putin doesn‘t seem to be having an easy time of it, even hhe country he wants to order around id next door.

[emulatorloo]

55. FYI, not a news article. It is an Op-ed by a guy who writes for The Intercept and Jacobin, not a reporter.

He is making a lot of assumptions about those uninstructed votes as there was no actual choice on the ballot that said “Biden Must Stop The Gaza War.”

I am not sure all uninstructed votes were about Gaza.

[lapucelle]

62. A Milwaukee newspaper is calling it "The Uninstructed Delegation".

Who says irony is dead.

[emulatorloo]

63. ...

[LiberalFighter]

60. What would be useful is a breakdown by county for those votes.

I tried a day or two ago and couldn't get anything. Wisconsin conduct their elections differently. Instead of the county conducting all elections within the county. Each community or township conduct them.

[da svenster]

65. let's look at the numbers

i'll try to temper my tangential writing style and stick with the information in front of me, and the story that isn't getting covered.

here are some numbers:
88.6% vs 79.2%

that's the percentage of the party vote that the candidates got - biden vs trump.

but here are some more interesting numbers. these are all approximations

and just for clarity: k == thousand (kilo); m == million (mega)

1.15m

that's approximately how many ballots were cast in the two parties. i ignored other parties.

577k vs 573k

this is the number of dem vs repub votes. pretty damned close.

476k vs 512k

these are the number of votes for each top line candidate. by my guesstimation, that's almost a 36000 vote difference.

now, here is the real kicker:
65k vs 97k

this is the number of votes biden "lost" vs trump. trump lost over 20% to biden's under 12%

the MSM is making this sound like a disaster for biden when:
* he got significantly more votes (36k)
* he lost significantly fewer votes than trump

i recognize that this doesn't elicit the panic that they want to sell (to keep yer eyes glued to the screen while doomscrolling on yer phone) but this was a clear biden win.

[Hekate]

67. Magic wand time!

[lees1975]

75. Over 120,000 told Trump they don't want him as the GOP nominee.

So if we're doing the math, that means Biden has gained 70,000 votes over Trump since 2020 in Wisconsin.

[Freethinker65]

77. I hope Biden doesn't make foreign policy decisions and tailor negotiations based upon a group of protesters.

Then there is also the fact that Biden can't stop the war all by himself anyway.

[betsuni]

80. Used to be called pandering and used to be bad. Now I guess it's fine to only

think about approval ratings and polls and winning elections instead of doing the job (and the only country the president has some control over with Congress in the U.S., duh, what are people thinking, it's nuts).

Everybody's suddenly a foreign policy expert without a shred of doubt they're right about everything because their feelings make them moral and right so they don't have to listen -- foreign policy experts and the Biden administration know nothing. Feelings over facts.

[kelly1mm]

78. By that 'logic' did over 90% of Democratic Wisconsin voters just tell PRESIDENT Biden to continue the Gaza war? nt

[NoMoreRepugs]

79. JoeB doesn't control the price of gas or the Israeli government - the

purity tests for Democrats are beyond ridiculous.

[betsuni]

81. +1

[BlueKota]

83. Some old sayings are trite, but some are true.

One that is true especially in regards to a situation like this is, "don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good."

[Goodheart]

87. That's a bit disingenuous. Joe Biden certainly COULD bring enormous pressure onto Israel.

I love Joe Biden, don't get me wrong... but he has been amazingly tone deaf when it comes to Gaza and it's hurting his popularity, no question.

Biden to Netanyahu: "WE HEREBY STOP FUNDING YOUR BOMBS UPON THE HEADS OF CIVILIANS. "

How easy that would be.