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BlueKota

(2,147 posts)
Thu Apr 4, 2024, 11:58 AM Apr 4

Very Few People here in WNY are talking about the Middle East

in terms of the election. The main things are the old chestnut, taxes are too high 🙄, the NY bail reform law, and whether it's contributing to more crimes, and oddly enough electric vehicles.

Even the lady who takes me to appointments and to get groceries, and told me she's a registered Democrat is mad about EVs. She says both she and her fiancé think our electric grids are already over whelmed by the high levels of consumption and EVs will just tax them to the breaking point. That it will also end up hurting the environment if more power stations get built to increase the capacity, and that the efforts to develop better alternatives are being forgotten. I have heard Republicans complaining about EVs too. I admit I am clueless about the subject, just observing it's a talking point.

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Very Few People here in WNY are talking about the Middle East (Original Post) BlueKota Apr 4 OP
Yeah, NY State has very high taxes... Think. Again. Apr 4 #1
In the state crime overall its down but Rochester crime is still pretty BlueKota Apr 4 #5
Where is WNY? Jersey Devil Apr 4 #2
Monroe County(Rochester), Ontario County, Yates County etc. BlueKota Apr 4 #3
lol, thanks Jersey Devil Apr 4 #9
LOL BlueKota Apr 4 #11
Thats cute.... getagrip_already Apr 5 #30
Anything north of the Bronx is upstate Danmel Apr 5 #55
Those are central Retrograde Apr 4 #13
Not surprised the people around here are confused. 🤣🤣🤣 BlueKota Apr 4 #16
As a native New York City man, I can tell you that anything outside of the 5 boroughs, Long Island, and Westchester ... Earth-shine Apr 4 #19
I talked with one of my millennial kids yesterday. yardwork Apr 4 #4
I hope he is right too. BlueKota Apr 4 #6
I think he's wrong. All Mixed Up Apr 4 #7
If it's all your friend group talks about, I question their level of political awareness. yardwork Apr 4 #8
Question their political awareness all you want. It doesn't make it less true. All Mixed Up Apr 4 #10
I disagree with several things you state as fact. yardwork Apr 4 #14
Has Biden put any conditions on money & arms? All Mixed Up Apr 4 #17
"Biden" can't put conditions on (most) money and arms. That's a patently untrue myth of the Left. sir pball Apr 5 #31
So, wait, now Biden is lying? All Mixed Up Apr 5 #33
Your little article there says itself he's not actually done anything yet. sir pball Apr 5 #35
So he's making empty threats? All Mixed Up Apr 5 #36
Not empty at all, just not as toothed as you believe. sir pball Apr 5 #40
So empty. You said it. He can't set conditions. All Mixed Up Apr 5 #48
You need to address the issue if you want to rebut it, kid. sir pball Apr 5 #56
Keep movin those goalposts. All Mixed Up Apr 5 #57
One topic voters are boring, depressing, and infuriating, no matter what side they're on DFW Apr 5 #28
Wish I could Rec this a thousand times. yardwork Apr 5 #43
Sounds like they are "complicit" in electing racist, homophobic, anti-women Republicans then. emulatorloo Apr 5 #39
Of course. Many don't care. All Mixed Up Apr 5 #49
As I said, it is their right to put Trump in the White House. Bibi will appreciate it. emulatorloo Apr 5 #53
I think so too. All Mixed Up Apr 5 #54
I work with people in your age group and they don't talk about it. Kaleva Apr 5 #45
You may consider not wasting your time with them Kaleva Apr 5 #46
I enjoy my friends. All Mixed Up Apr 5 #47
They give you happiness! Kaleva Apr 5 #50
I was talking to my husband today about just how much impact the Israel-Hamas war will have shrike3 Apr 4 #21
That's the question. yardwork Apr 5 #26
I can't imagine anyone not finding this horrific. shrike3 Apr 5 #42
Even if it was possible for Biden to pull all aid - which it's not, Congress controls that - it would be horrific. yardwork Apr 5 #44
I think the issue, in regards to its usage as an American political prop, Torchlight Apr 4 #12
I hope so. It's been clear since Oct 7 that outside actors are pushing this to divide Democrats. yardwork Apr 4 #15
Not just Netanyahu's cabinet, internal to the USA is AIPAC. PufPuf23 Apr 4 #20
... lapucelle Apr 5 #22
AIPAC gave more money to Democratic members but gave money to more individual GOP representatives PufPuf23 Apr 5 #51
Yes, I know you posted information about numbers. Percent-based data puts numbers in perspective lapucelle Apr 5 #52
Interesting how AIPAC was conflated with Russia, China, and Netanyahu's right wing cabinet. lapucelle Apr 5 #23
In 2022 AIPAC endorsed 109 Rethug traitors who refused to certify Biden, almost of whom still push the Big Lie Celerity Apr 6 #60
I've already scrolled through the giant picture. Not impressed, but thanks for sharing. lapucelle Apr 6 #61
Neville Roy Singham and Jodie Evans are funding the pro-Hamas outrage via the Goldman Sachs "Foundation". lapucelle Apr 5 #24
Jodie Evans's Code Pink is behind the protests at Speaker Emerita Pelosi's home. lapucelle Apr 5 #25
You brought the receipts! yardwork Apr 5 #27
I have more. Third party booster Democracy Now! is connected via Amy Goodman. lapucelle Apr 5 #29
So, their version of the "future of the left" is to reelect Trump? yardwork Apr 5 #34
The triple H axis of resistance? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 5 #37
The Houthis just sentenced 9 men to death by crucifixion and stoning for "sodomy", lapucelle Apr 5 #38
Thanks for posting this. emulatorloo Apr 5 #41
Most WNYers in my world MorbidButterflyTat Apr 4 #18
And claudette Apr 5 #32
Anti EV propaganda is working I see... JCMach1 Apr 5 #58
Unfortunately yes BlueKota Apr 6 #59

BlueKota

(2,147 posts)
5. In the state crime overall its down but Rochester crime is still pretty
Thu Apr 4, 2024, 12:16 PM
Apr 4

bad. There are constantly breaking news alerts about car theft, gang fights, drive by shootings, and murders. Local officials requested FBI assistance in trying to combat it, and lots of city and county initiatives passed, plus not for profit efforts, but they've hardly put a dent in it.

Danmel

(4,975 posts)
55. Anything north of the Bronx is upstate
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 04:52 PM
Apr 5

Anything west of the Hudson is flyover country, lol.
I'm from Brooklyn!

Retrograde

(10,238 posts)
13. Those are central
Thu Apr 4, 2024, 01:31 PM
Apr 4

WNY is Erie, Niagara, Orleans, Gennrsee, Allegheny, Wyoming, Cattaraugus and Chautauqua counties, per this native of Buffalo.

Or as my sister calls it, the upper west side

And they do complain about taxes and “those people “

BlueKota

(2,147 posts)
16. Not surprised the people around here are confused. 🤣🤣🤣
Thu Apr 4, 2024, 02:15 PM
Apr 4

They've argued in Canandaigua for many, many years whether it's nickname should be the Chosen Spot or the Chosen Place. Canandaigua roughly means a place chosen for settlement in the language of the Iroquois.

I once suggested we should just call it stolen property, but that didn't go over very well.

 

Earth-shine

(4,044 posts)
19. As a native New York City man, I can tell you that anything outside of the 5 boroughs, Long Island, and Westchester ...
Thu Apr 4, 2024, 04:01 PM
Apr 4

is called "upstate." We do not differentiate between East and West.

yardwork

(62,044 posts)
4. I talked with one of my millennial kids yesterday.
Thu Apr 4, 2024, 12:11 PM
Apr 4

He's very progressive and politically aware. He told me he's feeling cautiously optimistic that Biden will win because he perceives a drop in the effectiveness of Trump's shtick.

I asked about the anti-Biden pro-Palestinian protesters and he said that his impression is that they're loud but not that numerous.

I hope he's right. I know there are anti-Biden protest votes in the primaries but will they not support Biden in the GE? There's a lot of time between now and November.

 

All Mixed Up

(597 posts)
7. I think he's wrong.
Thu Apr 4, 2024, 12:21 PM
Apr 4

They're definitely numerous. I'm probably close to his age and it's pretty much all my group talks about.

Some are still going to vote Biden. A good number aren't going to vote at all or will toss their vote third party because they see Biden complicit in what Israel is doing.

A couple months ago, it was definitely easier to explain why the US was doing what they're doing but it's becoming increasingly more difficult and I've definitely seen an uptick in frustration with people I know who supported Biden in 2020.

Honestly, I think Biden needs to do a better job communicating why he's doing what he's doing.

yardwork

(62,044 posts)
8. If it's all your friend group talks about, I question their level of political awareness.
Thu Apr 4, 2024, 12:34 PM
Apr 4

My sons and their friends are fighting long-time battles on a lot of fronts. They would probably say that climate change and affordable housing are the biggest challenges.

They generally stay annoyed and pissed off with the Democratic Party but recognize that the Republicans are far worse and that Trump is hopeless.

They won't throw their votes away in 2024 anymore than they did in 2020 or 2016. However, too many people DID throw their votes away in 2016. This is a very dangerous time.

 

All Mixed Up

(597 posts)
10. Question their political awareness all you want. It doesn't make it less true.
Thu Apr 4, 2024, 12:57 PM
Apr 4

In 2022, the main issue was abortion rights. That's still discussed but absolutely what is happening in Gaza takes up most the political conversation and Biden is losing support because of it.

At the end of the day, Biden is losing on this issue. I just don't get why so many people refuse to think it's not a problem. You can dismiss it all you want but it's clear a decent enough amount of voters are okay throwing their support behind a non-viable option and Biden has to do something to win those voters back.

As I said, I think he needs to communicate better why he's fine supporting Israel unconditionally. That's the biggest problem. Many of these people see Biden as not caring about the thousands dying in Gaza right now.

I don't agree with them but I'm not the one who's running for president so despite all I can say on the matter, and I have, at the end of the day, the ball is in Biden's court on how to handle this messaging. Right now? I think he's struggling.

yardwork

(62,044 posts)
14. I disagree with several things you state as fact.
Thu Apr 4, 2024, 01:54 PM
Apr 4

Number one, Biden is not "unconditionally" supporting Israel. Far from it.

Number two, I think Biden has communicated well about this, but maybe your friends haven't heard it. Or they just aren't persuaded.

People who are one-topic voters are, by definition, not particularly politically aware.

Finally, I'm not saying it's not a problem. Low-information, one-topic voters are a huge problem for any democracy. As I said, this is a very dangerous time.

 

All Mixed Up

(597 posts)
17. Has Biden put any conditions on money & arms?
Thu Apr 4, 2024, 02:37 PM
Apr 4

We've heard he might possibly in the future but the answer is no. No he hasn't. That's unconditional support.

And as for your second point, tbh if he was communicating well, this issue wouldn't dog him and he likely wouldn't be losing right now.

sir pball

(4,820 posts)
31. "Biden" can't put conditions on (most) money and arms. That's a patently untrue myth of the Left.
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 09:12 AM
Apr 5

The support going to Israel has been Congressionally approved. Biden has zero legal ability to stop or even put conditions on it, besides asking Congress to rescind or conditionalize it. That's a falsehood I would expect good Dems/liberals/Progressives/&c, whom I expect to be better informed than the regressives, to be aware of.

Matter of fact, withholding approved aid for Ukraine was one of the charges Trump faced, under the Budget and Impoundment Control Act.

sir pball

(4,820 posts)
35. Your little article there says itself he's not actually done anything yet.
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 10:29 AM
Apr 5

He's "threatened" to. He ain't done jack shit yet; if (and hopefully when) he does, all he can do without Congress is modify the guidelines for future aid. He. Cannot. Unilaterally. Cancel. Aid. That. Has. Been. Approved.

This is not an "out of pocket" claim by me – SCOTUS has held that "the Act requires the Administrator to allot the full sums authorized to be appropriated"; IOW the President is required to carry out the full objectives or scope of programs for which budget authority is provided by the United States Congress.

Why do you feel it was within Trump's purview to withhold Congresionally-approved Ukraine aid? You're arguing for the exact same exercise of power by Biden, you cannot believe one is OK but the other is wrong.

sir pball

(4,820 posts)
40. Not empty at all, just not as toothed as you believe.
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 11:10 AM
Apr 5

The Executive has fairly broad power to set terms and conditions for allocating aid, such as the laws that prevent huma rights violators from receiving aid. Or vetoing Congress' aid bill, though that would be…inadvisable at this juncture.

Once Congress has decided on the aid and passed the bill, though, he's pretty much powerless. End of story.

 

All Mixed Up

(597 posts)
48. So empty. You said it. He can't set conditions.
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 12:55 PM
Apr 5

What's funny is that this whole argument started with my comment on how Biden has looked ineffective on Israel with a lot of younger voters and in trying to defend him, you've made Biden look even weaker and more ineffective.

Good job.

Fortunately, you're wrong.

And I'll point out that Biden has already bypassed congress to send weapons to Israel:

https://apnews.com/article/israel-arms-transfer-congressional-oversight-biden-4de7597913abe75429f9ef48ace9bd88
The amendment, which has the backing from the chairmen of the Senate Foreign Relations, Armed Services and Intelligence committees, comes after Biden went around lawmakers twice in December to send more than $250 million of weaponry to Israel. Bypassing Congress with emergency determinations for arms sales is an unusual step that has in past administrations been met with resistance from lawmakers who normally have a period of at least 15 to 30 days to weigh in on proposed weapons transfers and, in some cases, block them.

sir pball

(4,820 posts)
56. You need to address the issue if you want to rebut it, kid.
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 08:04 PM
Apr 5

Biden unilaterally sending aid has nothing to do with any of what I've said. The President has a good bit of flexibility in spending, this is a fairly well-established principle. He can also absolutely set limits on what aid Congress can consider, from using laws that prohibit aiding countries that impede humanitarian aid, to stripping Israel's favored status and invoking export restrictions ,to even designating them a terrorist state (ha ha ha).

But that's not what you mean, of course…you want him to somehow block aid that's already been approved, to undo what has been done. That simply CANNOT happen — when Congress has gone through the process and passed a bill allocating money for something, be it weapons sales, humanitarian aid, womens' scholarships, or anything else — the Executive must spend the money when and how Congress has dictated. No questions, no whatabouts…it's an order, full stop. If Congress passed a bill giving Israel 1500 M1 tanks and the supplies to run them, he'd have to do it.

I am absolutely right when I say the President can't unilaterally withold money, this is absolutely settled law…see my prior references. And with that, I'm done here. You clearly have some incorrect ideas about the President's power and authority, and won't brook any information to the contrary.

So, good day to you, sir (or ma'am or Colonel, it's a figure of speech).

 

All Mixed Up

(597 posts)
57. Keep movin those goalposts.
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 08:57 PM
Apr 5

He literally circumvented congress to send weapons (arms, which I mentioned in my very first post). Twice. But in your convoluted, confused logic, he has no control over what is and isn't sent to Israel. YOU SAID THAT. You said he has no control over it and yet he unilaterally sent arms TWICE without conditions and he didn't have to. Those are the facts.

This is what you said:

31. "Biden" can't put conditions on (most) money and arms. That's a patently untrue myth of the Left.


He could have because he sent the weapons unilaterally. He literally didn't have to send those weapons twice (billions of dollars worth) and yet he did. Or he could have put conditions on those weapons. He did not.

Again, you paint the picture of a weak and ineffective president. Just admit you were wrong and move on. It's not hard.

DFW

(54,908 posts)
28. One topic voters are boring, depressing, and infuriating, no matter what side they're on
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 08:54 AM
Apr 5

The God Squad who would extinguish abortion rights, no matter what the woman’s condition is, or the Gaza obsessed who ignore posts like that crying Ukrainian girl who lost her foot or South Sudan villages that have been wiped from the face of the earth, but need to post twenty times a day about Gaza and nothing else.

We won’t win the election by being a one trick pony of a party, and nor will they.

emulatorloo

(44,385 posts)
39. Sounds like they are "complicit" in electing racist, homophobic, anti-women Republicans then.
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 11:03 AM
Apr 5

Which is their right of course.

 

All Mixed Up

(597 posts)
49. Of course. Many don't care.
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 01:00 PM
Apr 5

I'm not sure why some of you guys think this is a gotcha statement. A good amount of these people understand that Trump very well could win. In fact, many in my group fully expect he will.

I've tried throwing out every warning I can muster but it falls on deaf ears.

I can't even use the threat of Roe because we live in a state where abortion was made illegal.

They are very disappointed with Biden on Israel. Maybe his tougher stance can win them back but I legit had a friend tell me it would be hypocritical of her to vote solely on her own rights when she feels the guy she is voting for in that scenario is complicit in a genocide that violates human rights.

emulatorloo

(44,385 posts)
53. As I said, it is their right to put Trump in the White House. Bibi will appreciate it.
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 02:15 PM
Apr 5

I’m optimistic though, I believe Biden admin will get more relief to Gaza and there will be a ceasefire before the election.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218837699

Appreciate your efforts to talk them down. Thanks for posting.

 

All Mixed Up

(597 posts)
54. I think so too.
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 04:47 PM
Apr 5

It's also early yet and they have paid Trump zero attention. My hope is that when they reengage with the election and see that Trump's rhetoric is even worse than in 2020 and 2016, they will reconsider.

Kaleva

(36,594 posts)
46. You may consider not wasting your time with them
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 12:10 PM
Apr 5

Give them a nook and a box of diapers and call it a day. Spend your time doing something more constructive!

shrike3

(4,098 posts)
21. I was talking to my husband today about just how much impact the Israel-Hamas war will have
Thu Apr 4, 2024, 06:37 PM
Apr 4

on the election. We're not sure how much the war, while horrific, will ultimately have on voters.

yardwork

(62,044 posts)
26. That's the question.
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 08:45 AM
Apr 5

I think everybody agrees that the whole thing is horrific and I think there's very little support for Netanyahu in the U.S.

The question is whether Democrats will be persuaded to vote against Biden because of it. While many Democrats want Biden to take a harder line, the efforts to equate Israel's war with Hamas with wars that the U.S. started is falling flat.

shrike3

(4,098 posts)
42. I can't imagine anyone not finding this horrific.
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 11:21 AM
Apr 5

But no, it is not Vietnam or even the Iraq war. And I'm not convinced it all would end if we pulled all aid.

yardwork

(62,044 posts)
44. Even if it was possible for Biden to pull all aid - which it's not, Congress controls that - it would be horrific.
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 11:59 AM
Apr 5

If the U.S. suddenly stopped supporting Israel - a nation we helped create in 1948 - none of our allies would trust us again. NATO would collapse. Israel would be annihilated - and in their last breath would probably release nukes - and Armageddon would be unleashed. The fundies and Putin think that would be terrific. The rest of us would not, at all.

Torchlight

(3,676 posts)
12. I think the issue, in regards to its usage as an American political prop,
Thu Apr 4, 2024, 01:24 PM
Apr 4

will hit its crescendo long before the general election.

At this point, I'm thinking a few bad-faith actors are becoming more and more instrumental and effective in subtly manipulating sincere forms of protest containing sincere messages into sideshows, diluting relevant, honest concerns already in place with a manufactured and conscious division, and at the expense of unity within the party.

I think by the end of June (all things being equal), the thing will have run its course for the majority who are not directly affected by it, and by Sept. and Oct. will be little more than yesterday's jam.

yardwork

(62,044 posts)
15. I hope so. It's been clear since Oct 7 that outside actors are pushing this to divide Democrats.
Thu Apr 4, 2024, 01:57 PM
Apr 4

It's clear that Russia and probably China are funding and orchestrating propaganda campaigns. Netanyahu's cabinet is not helping at all, either.

It's a big mess, a very difficult situation that I believe was planned to explode just in time to influence the U.S. elections.

PufPuf23

(8,955 posts)
20. Not just Netanyahu's cabinet, internal to the USA is AIPAC.
Thu Apr 4, 2024, 04:39 PM
Apr 4

AIPAC has donated to more GOP than Democrats in Congress.

PufPuf23

(8,955 posts)
51. AIPAC gave more money to Democratic members but gave money to more individual GOP representatives
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 02:00 PM
Apr 5

just as I posted. Made earlier posts about AIPAC noting that more GOP received money less money in total but Democratic members of Congress received far more per pol. What find hard to grasp is how many GOP MAGA/insurrection adjacent GOP received AIPAC donations.

Be nice to provide the link to the chart especially if shows detail of specific representatives. Know that detail is available because I posted it months ago at DU.

Was called antisemitic and that did not get that AIPAC was the American-Israel PAC.

Celerity

(44,526 posts)
60. In 2022 AIPAC endorsed 109 Rethug traitors who refused to certify Biden, almost of whom still push the Big Lie
Sat Apr 6, 2024, 10:17 AM
Apr 6

Including the christofash Speaker of the House Mike Johnson, Gym Jordan, ultra MAGAt Elise Stefanik, Kevin McCarthy, the crazed gunhumper Greg Steube, Ronny 'Trump's drunk Dr Feelgood' Jackson, Joe 'you lie!' Wilson, John 'I am a racist, climate change denying MAGAt, but look!, Henry Cuellar campaigns and fundraises for me so it's all good' Carter, Troy Nehls, etc etc)

Why pro-Israel lobby group Aipac is backing election deniers and extremist Republicans

Among those candidates endorsed by Aipac is the New York congresswoman Elise Stefanik, a Trump loyalist whose home town newspaper criticised her for “despicable” advertising and “hateful rhetoric” that promoted the racist and antisemitic “great replacement theory”, claiming the US is being flooded with immigrants to outvote white people. The Times Union accused Stefanik of “fear-based political tactics”.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/18/pro-israel-lobby-group-aipac-midterms-election-deniers-and-extremist-republicans



The US’s largest pro-Israel lobby group is backing dozens of racists, homophobes and election deniers running for Congress next month because they have pledged to defend Israel against stiffening criticism of its oppression of the Palestinians. The powerful American Israel Public Affairs Committee (Aipac) has justified endorsing Republicans with extremist views, including members of Congress with ties to white supremacist groups and representatives who attempted to block Joe Biden’s election victory, on the grounds that the singular issue of support for Israel trumps other considerations.

But Aipac’s support for rightwing politicians has privately embarrassed some Democrats also endorsed by the powerful group and drawn accusations from more moderate pro-Israel organisations that it is attempting to stifle legitimate criticism of hardline Israeli policies. Logan Bayroff, a spokesman for J Street, a group campaigning for Washington to take a stronger stand to end the occupation of Palestinian territories, accused Aipac of attempting to impose a narrow definition of what it is to be pro-Israel amid shifting views in Democratic ranks.

“Their actions have made clear that they view pro-Israel, pro-peace progressive Democrats as threats – and Trumpist Republicans as allies. That worldview could not be more out of touch with the vast majority of American Jews,” he said. “Aipac may hope to silence and intimidate political leaders who believe that settlement expansion, endless conflict and permanent occupation are harmful to Israel, the Palestinian people and US interests. Ultimately, however, these common-sense views are too popular, widespread and important to be suppressed, and will continue to gain strength within American politics and among the American Jewish community.”

Aipac’s backing of extreme rightwing Republicans follows its $27m advertising campaign during the Democratic primaries to defeat candidates who spoke up for Palestinian rights, mostly with attacks over issues that had nothing to do with Israel. The campaign is part of push by more hawkish pro-Israel groups to shore up support in Congress in the face of rising advocacy for the Palestinian cause within the Democratic party and erosion of approval for Israeli actions among American Jews, particularly younger people.

snip


Updated list:

https://jstreet.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/AIPAC-Endorsee-List-042022.pdf

AIPAC endorsees that voted against certifying the 2020 presidential election results

Robert Aderholt (AL-04)
Jerry Carl (AL-01)
Barry Moore (AL-02)
Gary Palmer (AL-06)
Mike Rogers (AL-03)
Andy Biggs (AZ-05)

Debbie Lesko (AZ-08)
David Schweikert (AZ-01)
Rick Crawford (AK-01)
Ken Calvert (CA-41)
Mike Garcia (CA-27)
Darrell Issa (CA-48)
Doug LaMalfa (CA-01)
Kevin McCarthy (CA-20)
Jay Obernolte (CA-23)
Doug Lamborn (CO-05)
Kat Cammack (FL-03)
Mario Diaz-Balart (FL-25)
Byron Donalds (FL-19)
Neal Dunn (FL-02)
Scott Franklin (FL-15)
Carlos Gimenez (FL-26)
Brian Mast (FL-18)
Bill Posey (FL-08)
John Rutherford (FL-04)
Greg Steube (FL-17)
Daniel Webster (FL-11)
Rick Allen (GA-12)
Buddy Carter (GA-01)
Ross Fulcher (ID-01)
Mike Bost (IL-12)
Jim Baird (IN-04)
Jim Banks (IN-03)
Greg Pence (IN-06)

Ron Estes (KS-04)
Jake LaTurner (KS-02)
Tracey Mann (KS-01)
Hal Rogers (KY-05)
John Kennedy (LA-Sen)

Garret Graves (LA-06)
Clay Higgins (LA-03)
Mike Johnson (LA-04)
Steve Scalise (LA-01)

Andy Harris (MD-01)
Jack Bergman (MI-01)
Lisa McClain (MI-09)
Tim Walberg (MI-05)
Michelle Fischbach (MN-07)
Michael Guest (MS-03)
Trent Kelly (MS-01)
Steven Palazzo (MS-04)
Sam Graves (MO-06)
Blaine Luetkemeyer (MO-03)
Jason Smith (MO-08)
Matt Rosendale (MT-02)
Adrian Smith (NE-03)
Jeff Van Drew (NJ-02)
Yvette Herrell (NM-02)
Chris Jacobs (NY-24)
Nicole Malliotakis (NY-11)
Elise Stefanik (NY-21)
Dan Bishop (NC-08)
Virginia Foxx (NC-05)
Richard Hudson (NC-09)
Greg Murphy (NC-03)
David Rouzer (NC-07)
Steve Chabot (OH-01)
Bill Johnson (OH-06)
Jim Jordan (OH-04)
Stephanie Bice (OK-05)
Tom Cole (OK-04)
Kevin Hern (OK-01)
Mike Kelly (PA-16)
Dan Meuser (PA-09)
Scott Perry (PA-10)
Guy Reschenthaler (PA-14)
Lloyd Smucker (PA-11)
G.T. Thompson (PA-15)
Jeff Duncan (SC-03)
Ralph Norman (SC-05)
Tom Rice (SC-07)
William Timmons (SC-04)
Joe Wilson (SC-02)
Tim Burchett (TN-02)

Scott DesJarlais (TN-04)
Chuck Fleischmann (TN-03)
Mark Green (TN-07)
Diana Harshbarger (TN-01)
David Kustoff (TN-08)
John Rose (TN-06)
Jodey Arrington (TX-19)
Brian Babin (TX-36)
Michael Burgess (TX-26)
John Carter (TX-31)
Michael Cloud (TX-27)
Lance Gooden (TX-05)
Ronny Jackson (TX-13)
Troy Nehls (TX-22)

August Pfluger (TX-11)
Pete Sessions (TX-17)
Beth Van Duyne (TX-24)
Randy Weber (TX-14)
Roger Williams (TX-25)
Chris Stewart (UT-02)
Ben Cline (VA-06)
Morgan Griffith (VA-09)
Rob Wittman (VA-01)
Scott Fitzgerald (WI-05)
Carol Miller (WV-01)

lapucelle

(18,658 posts)
24. Neville Roy Singham and Jodie Evans are funding the pro-Hamas outrage via the Goldman Sachs "Foundation".
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 08:17 AM
Apr 5
The American Multimillionaire Marxists Funding Pro-Palestinian Rage

Neville Roy Singham and his wife Jodie Evans are China propagandists—and a primary source of the fury exploding on our streets

https://www.thefp.com/p/american-marxists-funding-pro-palestinian-rage

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A Global Web of Chinese Propaganda Leads to a U.S. Tech Mogul

The Times unraveled a financial network that stretches from Chicago to Shanghai and uses American nonprofits to push Chinese talking points worldwide.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/world/europe/neville-roy-singham-china-propaganda.html

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Businessman Neville Roy Singham quietly sponsors an initiative opposing US assistance to Kyiv

https://www.intelligenceonline.com/corporate-intelligence/2022/11/11/businessman-neville-roy-singham-quietly-sponsors-an-initiative-opposing-us-assistance-to-kyiv,109863896-art

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The Big Business of Uyghur Genocide Denial

A New Lines investigation reveals a network of charities funneling millions into left-wing platforms that take Beijing’s side on the genocide allegations — and they’re all connected to an American tech magnate.

https://newlinesmag.com/reportage/the-big-business-of-uyghur-genocide-denial/

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"The People's Forum" is organizing and conducting anti-Israel protests across the country.



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Singham and Evans launder their funding of pro-Hamas, anti-Israel, anti-Biden "protests" through the Goldman Sachs Philanthropy Fund which distributes "charitable donations" at the direct request of donors.

The Influence Watch page on The People's Forum:

Funding

In 2019, The People’s Forum received $12 million through the Goldman Sachs Philanthropy Fund, a donor-advised fund provider. This was not the first time the Forum received a hefty sum in this manner: it was given $4,400,000 in 2018 and $2,500,000 in 2017 through the Philanthropy Fund.

https://www.influencewatch.org/non-profit/the-peoples-forum/

lapucelle

(18,658 posts)
25. Jodie Evans's Code Pink is behind the protests at Speaker Emerita Pelosi's home.
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 08:41 AM
Apr 5

Pelosi protester faces felony charges over Gaza cease-fire demonstration

An activist affiliated with the anti-war group Code Pink is facing felony charges for causing damage around Speaker Emerita Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco residence during a Feb. 11 demonstration.

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Last month, Code Pink circulated a video showing Pelosi telling a Code Pink protester, “Go back to China, where your headquarters is.”

Pelosi was referring to a New York Times investigation that revealed extensive ties between Code Pink’s co-founder, Jodie Evans, and groups promoting the agenda of the Chinese Communist Party.

That exchange took place on Oct. 29, coinciding with the one-year anniversary of the attack on Pelosi’s husband, Paul Pelosi, which left him hospitalized with severe injuries. The attacker, David DePape, told investigators he sought to hold Nancy Pelosi hostage.

https://sfstandard.com/2024/02/16/nancy-pelosi-cease-fire-protests-san-francisco-code-pink/

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According to a Code Pink blog post, the purpose of the October 29 protest was to "briefly hold Pelosi hostage."

A Code Pink spokesperson called the timing of the action to hold Speaker Emerita Pelosi hostage -- the one year anniversary of the hammer assault on Paul Pelosi by an assailant seeking to hold Nancy Pelosi hostage -- was an "unfortunate coincidence".

https://sfstandard.com/2024/02/16/nancy-pelosi-cease-fire-protests-san-francisco-code-pink/

lapucelle

(18,658 posts)
29. I have more. Third party booster Democracy Now! is connected via Amy Goodman.
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 08:54 AM
Apr 5
In 2017, Mr. Singham married Jodie Evans, a former Democratic political adviser and the co-founder of Code Pink. The wedding, in Jamaica, was a “Who’s Who” of progressivism. Photos from the event show Amy Goodman, host of “Democracy Theocracy Now!”; Ben Cohen, co-founder of Ben & Jerry’s ice cream; and V, the playwright formerly known as Eve Ensler, who wrote “The Vagina Monologues.”

It was also a working event. The invitation described a panel discussion called “The Future of the Left.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/05/world/europe/neville-roy-singham-china-propaganda.html

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It's a cozy little circle, with Goodman's hyper-lucrative, third-party-amplifying "news" outlet stoking pro-terrorist, anti-Israel, anti-US messaging.

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yardwork

(62,044 posts)
34. So, their version of the "future of the left" is to reelect Trump?
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 09:39 AM
Apr 5

Still following the "Trump will bring the glorious revolution" script, and anyway, even if he doesn't, we'll make buckets of money.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(109,432 posts)
37. The triple H axis of resistance?
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 10:46 AM
Apr 5

Sounds like one of those who thought Stalin was building a workers' paradise when he was murdering his own people.

lapucelle

(18,658 posts)
38. The Houthis just sentenced 9 men to death by crucifixion and stoning for "sodomy",
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 10:55 AM
Apr 5

and Democracy Now! is busy boosting them as some sort of heroic resistance movement.

smh

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