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Day 1
My first glimpse of Royal Caribbeans Icon of the Seas, from the window of an approaching Miami cab, brings on a feeling of vertigo, nausea, amazement, and distress. I shut my eyes in defense, as my brain tells my optical nerve to try again.
The ship makes no sense, vertically or horizontally. It makes no sense on sea, or on land, or in outer space. It looks like a hodgepodge of domes and minarets, tubes and canopies, like Istanbul had it been designed by idiots. Vibrant, oversignifying colors are stacked upon other such colors, decks perched over still more decks; the only comfort is a row of lifeboats ringing its perimeter. There is no imposed order, no cogent thought, and, for those who do not harbor a totalitarian sense of gigantomania, no visual mercy. This is the biggest cruise ship ever built, and I have been tasked with witnessing its inaugural voyage.
Author embarks on their first cruise-ship voyage has been a staple of American essay writing for almost three decades, beginning with David Foster Wallaces A Supposedly Fun Thing Ill Never Do Again, which was first published in 1996 under the title Shipping Out. Since then, many admirable writers have widened and diversified the genre. Usually the essayist commissioned to take to the sea is in their first or second flush of youth and is ready to sharpen their wit against the hull of the offending vessel. I am 51, old and tired, having seen much of the world as a former travel journalist, and mostly what I do in both life and prose is shrug while muttering to my imaginary dachshund, This too shall pass. But the Icon of the Seas will not countenance a shrug. The Icon of the Seas is the Linda Loman of cruise ships, exclaiming that attention must be paid. And here I am in late January with my one piece of luggage and useless gray winter jacket and passport, zipping through the Port of Miami en route to the gangway that will separate me from the bulk of North America for more than seven days, ready to pay it in full.
The aforementioned gangway opens up directly onto a thriving mall (I will soon learn it is imperiously called the Royal Promenade), presently filled with yapping passengers beneath a ceiling studded with balloons ready to drop. Crew members from every part of the global South, as well as a few Balkans, are shepherding us along while pressing flutes of champagne into our hands. By a humming Starbucks, I drink as many of these as I can and prepare to find my cabin. I show my blue Suite Sky SeaPass Card (more on this later, much more) to a smiling woman from the Philippines, and she tells me to go aft. Which is where, now? As someone who has rarely sailed on a vessel grander than the Staten Island Ferry, I am confused. It turns out that the aft is the stern of the ship, or, for those of us who dont know what a stern or an aft are, its ass. The nose of the ship, responsible for separating the waves before it, is also called a bow, and is marked for passengers as the fwd, or forward. The part of the contemporary sailing vessel where the malls are clustered is called the midship. I trust that you have enjoyed this nautical lesson.
*snip*
Drum
(10,678 posts)Sympthsical
(10,969 posts)Biophilic
(6,551 posts)I have a couple of friends who swear by them, but even when they are telling me their stories they don't sound like fun. Good thing I've never had a yearning to cruise. A million or so years ago, ok 1965, I crossed the North Atlantic on the S.S. Rotterdam (the old ship). That was fun, I was a student amongst students and young people off on the start of an adventure. I suspect the it was about the same size as the life boats of the Icon.
edhopper
(37,367 posts)is just wrong.
I have been on many cruises in many parts of the world. Norway, Alaska, South Africa, the Baltic, even Antarctica.
They have all been on much smaller ships going to great places. NEVER drunken party boats in the Caribbean.
There are places that a cruise is the best way to see.
This ship is an anomaly, not the norm.
cilla4progress
(26,525 posts)We are going on their ocean cruise around G Britain this fall.
We aren't stereotypical "cruise types," so hope we like it!
*limited to 950 passengers, no one under 18, no waterslides, casinos, etc.
edhopper
(37,367 posts)they usually don't charge for the excursions. And a cruise like this will be mostly port days with little sea time. And on those sea days you will probably sail past some great scenery.
Everything you heard about Caribbean Party cruises are the opposite of this.
I take it it's this cruise
https://www.vikingcruises.com/oceans/cruise-destinations/baltic/british-isles-explorer/index.html?startLocation=bergen&endLocation=london&year=2024#search/sfym=2024-9&sftcm=british-isles-explorer
Looks wonderful. And starting in Bergan! Wonderful little city. Make sure you go early for some side trips to the fjords.
cilla4progress
(26,525 posts)Will look into this!
CTyankee
(68,198 posts)We're leaving from Nice and going to ports in North Africa. We'll be flying back from Lisbon.
Our first trip was wonderful. The food was exquisite. Our ship companions were interesting, well educated and well traveled folks. We had love of music, art and wonderful cuisine in common. Nobody was drunk, loud and/or obnoxious.
edhopper
(37,367 posts)we just did South Africa last Dec-Jan.
And I love Lisbon, what a great city. Hopefully you are staying there a bit before coming home. You have to have the Paste Da Nata pastries.
CTyankee
(68,198 posts)My first trip there was with a group of women we called "The Six Broads Abroad." We were going to support a mutual friend who had lost her husband several months earlier in a freak accident. It was memorable for the camaraderie of several women "of a certain age" that just had to somehow take breaths together...
Hekate
(100,133 posts)chia
(2,817 posts)The excess, the waste, are nauseating. The work lives of the staff are overwhelming, I talked with many who assisted me, learning their names, where they were from, what their lives were like. They told me who was waiting for them at home, after their 6 months was up. I don't know if they're happy for the money to send home, or if they feel as exploited as they seem to be, to me. But I tried to show them that I saw them, and appreciated them, they weren't someone to look past unless I needed something.
The excess, the consumerism, the frantic and hyper feeling all the time, 24 hours a day... it was exhausting. It was like Americanism in funhouse mirrors, on one of those tilt-a-whirls at the county fair.
The only upside: it was a cruise to Alaska, and I saw ocean and icebergs and glaciers that I'd never have seen otherwise. So there's that.
qwlauren35
(6,309 posts)But I prefer a bus tour. I like to read, so being on the bus doesn't bother me. But there is more excursion than bus, and that's my preference. I'm on the boat for the excursions, not for the boat. Last time I went on a cruise, I read between excursions. The boat offered little of interest. If the stage entertainment was midday, that would have been better for me. I'm not a night person.
I would like to see the Western Caribbean, so that might be a cruise I would take, but mainly, I want to see Puerto Rico and Martinique, so hopper planes might be better.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,876 posts)on one of the lines that has ships with no more than 1000 passengers. Preferably fewer than 500.
I have no desire to go to sea on a fully booked, ocean going version of the Las Vegas MGM Grand.
This outfit has ships with less than 200 guests;
https://us.ponant.com/
Warpy
(114,614 posts)Friends who have taken river cruises in Europe have enjoyed them greatly--lots of variety,as local cuisines change from port to port, smaller boats with fewer people. The cruises were short on glitz, so the Vegas crowd wouldn't like them much.
He should have realized his luck on getting that inner stateroom suite, staring at all that damn water gets old fast. I know about that, I lived on coastal New England. In addition, those sea view cabins are cantilevered out over the hull, something that would probably make me never want to look out of one of those windows.
I think the only way to survive one of those Vegas showship cruises surrounded by Middle America is hammered, and I can't drink alcohol and I'd get busted for my stash of edibles in Florida.. No happy, peppy overcrowded cruise ships for me.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,876 posts)Getting edibles on board might be a problem! Not to mention having to pass the inevitable random drug screen when I get back to work!
I wish I could look forward to the days when I wouldn't have to worry about such things, but alas, I'll have to drive till I drop dead! I've spent pretty much every dollar I've ever made and there is no inheritance waiting for me.
The best I can hope for is a decent salary on a reduced workload that pays the bills and the majority of the Health Insurance and a Social Security stipend to help with the holidays and all the rest.
But come hell or high water, I'm going to do an Antarctic/Drake Passage journey, if it's the last thing (literally) I do.
I'll rack up the $100K plus of available credit I have and eat a bullet when they come to collect!
Delphinus
(12,522 posts)this seems more my style - thanks for the link!
edhopper
(37,367 posts)truly spectacular scenery that can only bee seen from a ship.
A HERETIC I AM
(24,876 posts)The link for Ponant line I put up above as well as others offer voyages into the Fjords that are really appealing.
I love the idea of a small ship with less than 100 guests. And I'm more than willing to spend $1500 a day or more for the experience.
edhopper
(37,367 posts)small ships, more casual and less expensive than the high end lines.
Their Norway cruise is good.
CTyankee
(68,198 posts)ProudMNDemocrat
(20,895 posts)Was just the right size of a ship for a 21 day voyage. Loved it.
15 decks. We were on the 10th Deck with the Fitness Club, the main Dining Room just above us. Comfortable cabin with a king bed, virtual window, decent sized bathroom for showering and washing a few things to hang dry, I learned my way around before we left the port at Seattle.
A lovely voyage with stops along the way to the Hawaiian Islands, Fiji, Vanautu, New Caledonia, then Sydney Harbor. The on ship movies, entertainment, the food, mini-golf, mini-shopping mall on the 4th deck, etc., were amazing. Watching outdoor movies at night on the Pool Deck was like being at the Drive-In while at sea. The evening sunsets over water were some of the most beautiful I had ever seen.
My husband has no desire to travel by ship again. But I am game.
snowybirdie
(6,684 posts)Hilarious and so true. Used to like cruising but ships got too big and crowded and too full of diseases. This captures just why we don't anymore.
surfered
(13,456 posts)Venice, Barcelona, Tahiti, Grand Cayman and Amsterdam have banned these large vessels from their city centers. Other cities have reduced the daily number of cruise ships.
Lonestarblue
(13,477 posts)No way would I ever board such a ship. Ive been on a few cruises Ive enjoyed, but they had fewer than 300 passengers (riverboats). Thats enough for me.
GenThePerservering
(3,367 posts)sure.
The article is as turgid as the cruise and a bit of a tryhard, so I guess it's OK, but who the heck doesn't know bow from stern in anything, and calls the stern the "ass".
shrike3
(5,370 posts)Take him on a cruise. (I have no intention of making him hate me, full disclosure.)
muriel_volestrangler
(106,201 posts)https://www.cruiseandferry.net/articles/royal-caribbean-unveils-new-entertainment-for-icon-of-the-seas
I really thought that could have been authorly exaggeration.
Delphinus
(12,522 posts)reading that so much as I am not someone who will likely ever go on a cruise.
localroger
(3,782 posts)That was an actual ship, with a modest capacity of 550 passengers, and little to distinguish it at a distance from any other small ocean-going vessel meant to carry people as opposed to freight. It had amenities like a movie theater, weight room, and several bars, but all were small and actually kind of cozy. The weight room and one of the bars were on the roof of the main cabin, reached by an asphalt walkway from the nearest steel stairway. One could go up there and simply be alone and look at the incredibly dark and starry night sky. There was a casino, also tiny. The shore excursions were not too expensive, not hard to access, and quite a bit of fun. But it was as big as it needed to be and once it was decommissioned and gone I knew I would never want to go on one of the giant barges that were being made to carry multi-thousands of passengers. Because the Capri had been designed as a ship first and a cruise vessel second it had nooks and crannies where one could simply watch the ocean glide by without people parading by all the time. They simply don't run boats like that any more because they aren't profitable enough.
nini
(16,830 posts)This guy touched on just about everything that is wrong with cruising these days, including those disgusting new ships.
FakeNoose
(41,622 posts)Ummm, no thanks! However the author of this story is Gary Shteyngart, a very worthwhile read!

electric_blue68
(26,856 posts)Pluvious
(5,394 posts)Great snarky writing, with a veiled subtlety
10,000 people for 18 lifeboats
LOL
marybourg
(13,640 posts)Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)That's her advice.
Her firm represents RC cruise lines.
Rapes and assault and injury are common on every cruise.
Then, there's the corona viruses.
And the extreme pollution.
I won't go on.
CTyankee
(68,198 posts)We are elderly, therefore vulnerable. We felt utterly safe and we're thrilled with Atlas Cruises. Our Mediterranean voyage was uplifting, relaxing and just wonderful. We used a travel agent who obtained tickets to museums for me in Barcelona and special needs for help with all aspects of our ship and land visits.
We are sailing with them again later this month, from Nice to North Africa, back to Spain and leaving for home from Lisbon. Our agent has provided guides and special visits to museums for me.
cilla4progress
(26,525 posts)have you ever traveled with Viking?
Sorry if you've already shared this and I am not recalling!
CTyankee
(68,198 posts)It rained day after day and the rivers got too high for the ship to pass under the bridges. We then had buses to take us to the towns we missed and were refunded $500 per passenger. I was VERY unhappy with that arrangement, but what can you do?
cilla4progress
(26,525 posts)Thanks.
CTyankee
(68,198 posts)For seniors who want a learning experience. I took several trips to Europe with them. Always had interesting, nice, and well educated seniors on our trips.
cilla4progress
(26,525 posts)Sounds like the trip was a bust, though.
CTyankee
(68,198 posts)But the $500 was something, at least. There are just some things you can't predict ahead of time. If you feel you can't handle that sort of thing perhaps you shouldn't travel. Stuff happens
cilla4progress
(26,525 posts)Kind of the essence of adventure. Lacking predictability.
We traveled to Scotland last Spring with a Rick Steves tour. We disappointingly contracted our first bout of covid a couple days in - likely on the flight. We came home immediately. They refunded us $200 each for each missed day.
We have now picked ourselves up, dusted ourselves off, and are doing this Viking ocean voyage this Fall. Double-masking on the flight over!
CTyankee
(68,198 posts)get.
cilla4progress
(26,525 posts)The last one (5th?) a few weeks before our trip!
No one was masked in the airports, and despite all our previous caution, we got a false sense of security.
Ocelot II
(130,516 posts)I've read some of Shteyngart's other writings - he's a very funny guy, and this is a brilliant description of the sort of "adventure" you couldn't pay me enough to undertake.
Gotta read the whole thing - a truly hilarious description of one of the lower circles of Hell.
mike_c
(37,051 posts)She tells me I would hate it.