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GOP Sen. Rand Paul: We have to talk about cutting Social Security and Medicare. (Original Post) riversedge Apr 5 OP
Hope every Dem candidate uses this clip Raven123 Apr 5 #1
SEE THE WEALTH GAP TigressDem Apr 5 #8
Wow. Include that too! Raven123 Apr 5 #10
That chart says it all--we are in real trouble as the wealth of the richest continues riversedge Apr 5 #16
Can someone explain this chart to me. Farmer-Rick Apr 5 #50
OK, the dark brown at the bottom represents the bottom 50%. patphil Apr 5 #61
Thanks so much. Farmer-Rick Apr 5 #63
Cutting Social Security and medicare comradebillyboy Apr 5 #2
Yeah, keep talking. Joe Biden will take those votes you are giving away. TigressDem Apr 5 #11
Maybe we should talk about drop-kicking Rand into 1929 struggle4progress Apr 5 #3
THIS is what happens when top 10% have almost 70% of the wealth. THEY WANT IT ALL. TigressDem Apr 5 #4
Don't forget all the members of the ruling class in Congress n/t hibbing Apr 5 #59
You might, we dont..... getagrip_already Apr 5 #5
They always put in in some imperative form as if some outside force is compelling them bucolic_frolic Apr 5 #6
No we don't dlk Apr 5 #7
Ruin the country? The country would be ruined with hungry and sick old people Walleye Apr 5 #9
I do believe that many uncaring and rick folk do think the USA as pieces of riversedge Apr 5 #13
The MSM will not report on the GOP's plan to cut our benefits. It's up to all of us to spread the word RAB910 Apr 5 #12
People who vote for these Republicans do so Emile Apr 5 #14
This man is a clown RANDYWILDMAN Apr 5 #15
We'd be better off raising taxes on the rich NanaCat Apr 5 #17
This is standard Republican policy, they just usually try to disguise it better JHB Apr 5 #18
That is true PatSeg Apr 5 #32
Not voters they're after. It's funders. JHB Apr 5 #66
Sadly true PatSeg Apr 5 #69
You might be right, but I can't believe whathehell Apr 5 #71
Hey, dontchaknow, only libs, Democrats and Independents benefit from either or both programs. No Republican.... machoneman Apr 5 #54
Nothing good can come from someone Dave Bowman Apr 5 #19
Keep talking Rand. Next time add why more unpaid for deficit ballooning tax cuts to the wealthiest are needed. Freethinker65 Apr 5 #20
No, we don't @Rand Paul Picaro Apr 5 #21
Exactly this. FalloutShelter Apr 5 #60
Same, same all the time from Vlad's wing. pwb Apr 5 #22
Moonbreeze speaks for me. Baitball Blogger Apr 5 #23
Meanwhile he sucks up taxpayer dollars as a member of Congress. Vinca Apr 5 #24
I think... Mike Nelson Apr 5 #25
Like Seniors who vote Republican are going to support Republicans who want to cut SS and Medicare? ProudMNDemocrat Apr 5 #26
Well, you are wrong sir! He's advocated the same for years now and yes, older R voters STILL keep voting him in! Why? machoneman Apr 5 #55
Every time he "speaks, " I have more and more compassion and understanding for his poor neighbor... hlthe2b Apr 5 #27
Actually, we need to talk more about cutting Sen Rand Paul. marble falls Apr 5 #28
I'm sure his fellow Rs are feeling murderous AkFemDem Apr 5 #29
Nooo...We have to talk about Tossing You outta The Senate. electric_blue68 Apr 5 #30
Okay, Randumb, we'll talk about it.... lastlib Apr 5 #31
Any and all timms139 Apr 5 #33
Please keep talking, Rando... dwking66 Apr 5 #34
Okay Rand edhopper Apr 5 #35
No We Don't, Rand ProfessorGAC Apr 5 #36
No, we have to talk about cutting social insecurity -misanthroptimist Apr 5 #37
There is a reason FDR was elected four times. LisaM Apr 5 #38
First let's look at Traildogbob Apr 5 #39
Not really true OrangeJoe Apr 5 #51
Please proceed, Senator. Martin Eden Apr 5 #40
Ok if linked to quadrupole percentage cuts to his pension IbogaProject Apr 5 #41
We have to talk about putting you out to pasture, Ayn Rand. Aviation Pro Apr 5 #42
keep talking Rand ebbie15644 Apr 5 #43
Lol Lunabell Apr 5 #44
How about you just fuck yourself, Rand Paul? Paladin Apr 5 #45
Is he on the ballot this year? yellowdogintexas Apr 5 #46
So many times people who say they will fix the problem are, well, the problem. twodogsbarking Apr 5 #47
Citizens United empowered these douchebags to say anything at any time cuz NoMoreRepugs Apr 5 #48
OK, you carbuncle on the ass of America Warpy Apr 5 #49
Double the max income subject to the SS tax maxsolomon Apr 5 #52
Keep talking, buddy. Joinfortmill Apr 5 #53
This is the same tune that Trump is singing Larissa Apr 5 #56
FIX IT, DON'T KILL IT! kill greenspuds feeble 1980's cap WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN INDEXED. pansypoo53219 Apr 5 #57
No. We have to talk bout the many ways you can fuck off a die you asshole. Autumn Apr 5 #58
The few ideas they do have literally suck...nt Wounded Bear Apr 5 #62
It's Easy Mr.Bee Apr 5 #64
leaving money in the hands of the top 10% is one of the worst stimulative economic strategies; leaving money in wiggs Apr 5 #65
exactamundo LymphocyteLover Apr 5 #67
How about we cut this idiot out of Congress? onetexan Apr 5 #68
Fck this guy mcar Apr 5 #70
Tell Pauli to take a 50,000 in pay every year. Trueblue1968 Apr 6 #72
yeah, keep talking, fucktard Skittles Apr 6 #73

riversedge

(70,998 posts)
16. That chart says it all--we are in real trouble as the wealth of the richest continues
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 12:15 PM
Apr 5

its upward spiral.

Farmer-Rick

(10,409 posts)
50. Can someone explain this chart to me.
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 02:13 PM
Apr 5

I don't get it.

So if the reddish brown bottom wave represents 50% of the people in the US and then that lighter orange brown wave represents 50 to 90% of people in the US, haven't you now accounted for all the people in the US. Because 50+50=100 and even 50+90=140, now you have exceeded the amount of people at 140% of people.

Or does the lighter color include the bottom 50% already? But if so, then the other layers added in exceed 100%. It's as confusing as a health insurance statement.

patphil

(6,371 posts)
61. OK, the dark brown at the bottom represents the bottom 50%.
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 02:53 PM
Apr 5

The lighter brown represents the segment from 50% to 90%. That's 40% more than the bottom part, for a total of 90%.
The yellow segment represents the next 9%; the part from 90% to 99%.
The pale blue section represents the last, and highest 1% of the people and how much wealth they control.

Now if you read the article, and go down to where it talks about the Distribution of US Household Wealth, you can see that the top .1% of the people hold 14% of the wealth, and the top 1% holds 31% of the wealth (14 + 17 = 31). These numbers are going up, as the rich get richer and control a greater and greater portion of the wealth of the nation.

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/wealth-distribution-in-america/

TigressDem

(5,125 posts)
11. Yeah, keep talking. Joe Biden will take those votes you are giving away.
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 12:10 PM
Apr 5

By flapping your rich entitled mouth about removing the safety nets and sucking out the last few dollars Trump HASN'T stolen from his base and the rest of US.

Make yourself REAL popular with MAGA.

Bid for VP much?

bucolic_frolic

(44,115 posts)
6. They always put in in some imperative form as if some outside force is compelling them
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 12:06 PM
Apr 5

to have this conversation.

dlk

(11,711 posts)
7. No we don't
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 12:06 PM
Apr 5

We need to talk about adequately funding Social Security (eliminating the LLC loophole and raising the tax cap are two excellent options).

We also need to adequately address fraud (especially over billing) in the Medicare system

Rand Paul can take his miserable and miserly self for a hike.

Walleye

(31,585 posts)
9. Ruin the country? The country would be ruined with hungry and sick old people
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 12:09 PM
Apr 5

Some of these assholes think of the United States is a just piece of real estate, and judge our success by how wealthy our wealthy people are

riversedge

(70,998 posts)
13. I do believe that many uncaring and rick folk do think the USA as pieces of
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 12:13 PM
Apr 5

real estate to be traded and made money off of--even when occupied by the less well off, sick or disabled.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,729 posts)
15. This man is a clown
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 12:14 PM
Apr 5

and he represents, only the HUGE money interests that lobby him.

He does not speak for the millions of americans he is supposed to represent


Rand, eliminate the cap on wags for SS and move the f on

JHB

(37,181 posts)
18. This is standard Republican policy, they just usually try to disguise it better
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 12:16 PM
Apr 5

RP must be courting funders again.

PatSeg

(48,464 posts)
32. That is true
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 12:52 PM
Apr 5

They didn't use to just say the quiet part out loud. Now they come right out and say it. What voters do they think they are attracting?

JHB

(37,181 posts)
66. Not voters they're after. It's funders.
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 05:33 PM
Apr 5

Last edited Sat Apr 6, 2024, 06:35 AM - Edit history (1)

The only people who back this are the ones who see Social Security as a massive pot of funds they're not getting a piece of.

machoneman

(4,051 posts)
54. Hey, dontchaknow, only libs, Democrats and Independents benefit from either or both programs. No Republican....
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 02:18 PM
Apr 5

or MAGAT ever needed or benefited from either program. In fact, every one of them has pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, never applied for unemployment, shun Medicare benefits and pay out of their own pockets.

Yep, I heard all this on......wait for it.....Fox News!

Freethinker65

(10,190 posts)
20. Keep talking Rand. Next time add why more unpaid for deficit ballooning tax cuts to the wealthiest are needed.
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 12:17 PM
Apr 5

Picaro

(1,578 posts)
21. No, we don't @Rand Paul
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 12:20 PM
Apr 5

We need to talk about ending the income cap on SS withholding. Then we need to put in a transaction fee on high speed trading and use that to fix Medicare.

Then we need to find some way of getting you out of the Senate.

Traitor. Russian asset.

pwb

(11,497 posts)
22. Same, same all the time from Vlad's wing.
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 12:22 PM
Apr 5

Social Security on your States minimum wage of $7.25 wouldn't pay a car payment. How can someone feel so hateful of their own people?

ProudMNDemocrat

(17,288 posts)
26. Like Seniors who vote Republican are going to support Republicans who want to cut SS and Medicare?
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 12:31 PM
Apr 5

What are you smoking, Randy?

Does he honestly think older voters are going to say. "YEAH! Cut my Social Security and Medicare benefits while you CUT taxes for the Uber rich!"

Democrats and Joe Biden are already going on the offensive about that.

machoneman

(4,051 posts)
55. Well, you are wrong sir! He's advocated the same for years now and yes, older R voters STILL keep voting him in! Why?
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 02:23 PM
Apr 5

Because they would rather own the libs. Stupid, eh? No other rational explanation.

hlthe2b

(103,029 posts)
27. Every time he "speaks, " I have more and more compassion and understanding for his poor neighbor...
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 12:32 PM
Apr 5

(and no, I'm not condoning violence)... But, I CAN understand what drove him to act.

AkFemDem

(1,837 posts)
29. I'm sure his fellow Rs are feeling murderous
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 12:36 PM
Apr 5

You don't bring this up in a major election year I mean, we all know you want to gut it- but you don't say it OUT LOUD in an election year!

lastlib

(23,659 posts)
31. Okay, Randumb, we'll talk about it....
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 12:51 PM
Apr 5

NO!
We're done.

Now STFU and go back to Moscow and kiss Vladdy's ass again.

timms139

(118 posts)
33. Any and all
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 12:52 PM
Apr 5

taxes paid on social security income should be placed back into the fund instead of robbing Peter to pay Paul . If these idiots can't find ways to fund it they should be replaced .

dwking66

(10 posts)
34. Please keep talking, Rando...
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 12:57 PM
Apr 5

It's clear that the ferret living atop Mr. Paul's skull has finally consumed his brain. There are many ways to sustain vital programs like Social Security and Medicare, but they require mega income folks to pay reasonable tax rates. Saying the quiet part out loud - that the GOP has no interest in doing the right thing and is obsessed with starving grandma and grandpa, instead - is another nail in the GOP's coffin.

That's fine with me.

-misanthroptimist

(862 posts)
37. No, we have to talk about cutting social insecurity
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 01:13 PM
Apr 5

A good start would be taxing excessive wealth out of existence. Too few people have too much sway economically, politically, and socially due to being ridiculously wealthy. They add little to nothing to our country.

We might also consider consider not treating human beings as commodities. Increasing wages would be a good way to start that.

A third thing is to get corporations under control.

LisaM

(27,932 posts)
38. There is a reason FDR was elected four times.
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 01:16 PM
Apr 5

Yeah, the rich Republicans hated him. They still do. Good. If FDR was still alive, we would all still be voting to keep him in office.

Traildogbob

(9,098 posts)
39. First let's look at
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 01:18 PM
Apr 5

The cost TAX PAYERS are coughing up for senate, Congress retirees and their spouses. Let’s see that gigantic number. And MOST of those recipients worm their way out of paying taxes, thereby avoiding any contribution to their retirement.
Why is it men with the stupidest hair hate the world.
Buy a fucking wig and stop trying to kill us from your self hate. Same for your idol. The Don.

OrangeJoe

(365 posts)
51. Not really true
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 02:13 PM
Apr 5

First off we clearly can keep Social Security solvent by popping the cap and applying the tax to all income, not just the first $168,000. But the canard that members of Congress have this great retirement system (and spouses, where did that come from?) is just not true. Members of Congress are in the same retirement and health insurance system as every other federal employee. This whole "They get their full salary and medical care for life", came out of the Tea Party and an attempt to attack public employees. Don't fall for it.

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/2015/01/23/fact-check-does-one-term-congress-member-get-full-pension/15648164007/

https://www.opm.gov/retirement-center/fers-information/

IbogaProject

(2,947 posts)
41. Ok if linked to quadrupole percentage cuts to his pension
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 01:30 PM
Apr 5

If he is really all in the cutting Senate pensions should happen first.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,673 posts)
48. Citizens United empowered these douchebags to say anything at any time cuz
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 02:12 PM
Apr 5

the BillionaireBoyzClub will keep throwing money at them to do their bidding.

Larissa

(792 posts)
56. This is the same tune that Trump is singing
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 02:25 PM
Apr 5

Actually, I'd like the GOP to keep singing this tune loud and clear. It's political kamikaze.

Mr.Bee

(209 posts)
64. It's Easy
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 03:08 PM
Apr 5

to cut Social Security and Medicare, freeze the minimum wage for decades, criminalize abortion, cut food assistance, when you are rich and in a class that doesn't depend on any of these programs.
No, it's time to REPEAL the Reagan tax cuts, the Bush tax cuts, and the Trumpf tax scam!
TMBA: Tax Millionaires and Billionaires Again!

wiggs

(7,866 posts)
65. leaving money in the hands of the top 10% is one of the worst stimulative economic strategies; leaving money in
Fri Apr 5, 2024, 03:45 PM
Apr 5

the hands of the 90% below that is one of the best.

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