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marmar

(79,741 posts)
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 12:51 PM Nov 2012

Marijuana Decriminalization Drops Youth Crime Rates by Stunning 20% in One Year


The Center for Public Integrity / By Susan Ferriss

Marijuana Decriminalization Drops Youth Crime Rates by Stunning 20% in One Year
Arresting and putting low-level juvenile offenders into the criminal-justice system pulls many kids deeper into trouble rather than turning them around.

November 26, 2012 |


Marijuana — it’s one of the primary reasons why California experienced a stunning 20 percent drop in juvenile arrests in just one year, between 2010 and 2011, according to provocative new research.

The San Francisco-based Center on Juvenile & Criminal Justice (CJCJ) recently released a policy briefing with an analysis of arrest data collected by the California Department of Justice’s Criminal Justice Statistics Center. The briefing, “ California Youth Crime Plunges to All-Time Low ,” identifies a new state marijuana decriminalization law that applies to juveniles, not just adults, as the driving force behind the plummeting arrest totals.

After the new pot law went into effect in January 2011, simple marijuana possession arrests of California juveniles fell from 14,991 in 2010 to 5,831 in 2011, a 61 percent difference, the report by CJCJ senior research fellow Mike Males found.

“Arrests for youths for the largest single drug category, marijuana, fell by 9,000 to a level not seen since before the 1980s implementation of the ‘war on drugs,’ ” Males wrote in the report, released in October. ...............(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.alternet.org/marijuana-decriminalization-drops-youth-crime-rates-stunning-20-one-year



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Marijuana Decriminalization Drops Youth Crime Rates by Stunning 20% in One Year (Original Post) marmar Nov 2012 OP
How does the state and corporate fix the psychology of all those prior youths Trillo Nov 2012 #1
I'm not gonna answer your rhetorical question, but Jackpine Radical Nov 2012 #2
Depending on the crime, I would start with expunging their records. Arctic Dave Nov 2012 #3
'mistakes were made' AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #8
If history is an indicator of future behavior, they will come out with an apology and possibly Uncle Joe Nov 2012 #9
Probably the shortest, most concise, yet sobering, post I've seen on the entire issue here. Selatius Nov 2012 #31
"Dysfunctional beliefs regarding the cruelty of life"? Fumesucker Nov 2012 #10
It becomes dysfunctional when any state practices or perpetuates unjust cruelty Uncle Joe Nov 2012 #13
My 17 year old has dysfunctional beliefs and a lousy sense of self, is a chronic pot smoker with no NotThisTime Nov 2012 #19
May your relationship with your 17-year old be healed. Trillo Nov 2012 #28
He's self medicating. Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #33
Du rec. Nt xchrom Nov 2012 #4
But think of the jobs that will be lost RoccoR5955 Nov 2012 #5
I'll give my two cents. freethought Nov 2012 #6
I have another tin foil theory Doctor_J Nov 2012 #12
+100. and the whole dysfunctional oppositional culture the PTB sell to youth as commodified HiPointDem Nov 2012 #30
$100.00 "ticket" for less than an ounce?! meti57b Nov 2012 #7
My jury experience Doctor_J Nov 2012 #11
[SERIOUSLY]=> Nobody wants their kids to do weed... 6502 Nov 2012 #14
"You weeders" marmar Nov 2012 #15
People don't want their kids smoking tobacco NYC Liberal Nov 2012 #17
"You weeders"? Half the population supports legalization. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2012 #20
you drunks crack me up frylock Nov 2012 #21
Are u series11? geckosfeet Nov 2012 #23
[Seriously]=> You need to get a fucking grip... SomethingFishy Nov 2012 #25
Wow. Just wow. MrSlayer Nov 2012 #26
facts can be inconvenient. uncle ray Nov 2012 #32
Welcome to DU. Le Taz Hot Nov 2012 #34
I'm still not a decrim supporter, not even over the status quo. leftlibdem420 Nov 2012 #16
Decriminalizing pot is the answer lark Nov 2012 #18
Not so sure. I prefer some form of control on my controled substances. geckosfeet Nov 2012 #22
You're joking right. Look how much money disney makes, are they hiding from criminals? Sirveri Nov 2012 #29
I am not sure I get your point. geckosfeet Nov 2012 #36
Theft is a reality for all businesses, legal or not, that means it's not a variable in the equation. Sirveri Nov 2012 #37
You need to google Amendment #64 Caretha Nov 2012 #35
IMO Mr Dixon Nov 2012 #24
I think WA is about to see an increase in juvenile arrests liberal_at_heart Nov 2012 #27
A lot of these prevented arrests would have been for youths selling to adults. slampoet Nov 2012 #38

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
1. How does the state and corporate fix the psychology of all those prior youths
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:09 PM
Nov 2012

that were criminalized in the past and are now adults with dysfunctional beliefs regarding the cruelty of life? How might the state and private penal lobbyists repair the now-broken families? How?

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
2. I'm not gonna answer your rhetorical question, but
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:16 PM
Nov 2012

sometimes the best you can do is to stop inflicting needless misery.

That said, the problem I'd start worrying about is what the DEA & penal industry are going to do to end the misery they'll be experiencing in their pocketbooks and inflated, fascist egos. I doubt they'll take this lying down.

When decency and humanity collide with money, money has a tendency to win.

 

Arctic Dave

(13,812 posts)
3. Depending on the crime, I would start with expunging their records.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:19 PM
Nov 2012

And as strange it seems, maybe an add campaign stating how in the past the law was less then fair.

Uncle Joe

(65,137 posts)
9. If history is an indicator of future behavior, they will come out with an apology and possibly
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 02:04 PM
Nov 2012

reparations; (long shot) in 30-60 years when most of that generation has died off, surviving numbers are low enough not to pinch the budget and ardent drug warriors are either dead and/or no longer taken seriously.

Selatius

(20,441 posts)
31. Probably the shortest, most concise, yet sobering, post I've seen on the entire issue here.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:59 AM
Nov 2012

It took decades for the United States to apologize to Japanese Americans for their internment during World War 2. That's one example off the top of my head.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
10. "Dysfunctional beliefs regarding the cruelty of life"?
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 02:05 PM
Nov 2012

I don't see those beliefs as being dysfunctional at all, life is indeed cruel, often deliberately so.

Uncle Joe

(65,137 posts)
13. It becomes dysfunctional when any state practices or perpetuates unjust cruelty
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 02:15 PM
Nov 2012

against its' own people.

In the long term this can only lead to societal dysfunction, I also believe the longer it takes to correct itself, the more severe the consequences.

No doubt life is cruel but representative government (We the people) shouldn't go out of its' way to be so, ideally "general welfare" being the goal.

The same can be said for families, abusive parents and/or spouses create dysfunctional families only serving to perpetuate cruelty and injustice.

NotThisTime

(3,657 posts)
19. My 17 year old has dysfunctional beliefs and a lousy sense of self, is a chronic pot smoker with no
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 03:18 PM
Nov 2012

criminal history. I have some theories, but one of the things that would have helped him was for his friends parents to stop smoking pot with him and to suggest going to a counselor instead. Those parents are much cooler than we are so who does he listen to? This is a kid who could have done anything, been anything, instead since his pot use started he has flushed school down the toilet and doesn't much give a damn what he does. Laws don't allow for us to do a damn thing about his mental health or drug use.

De-criminalize pot use for kids? Sure, but arrest the parents giving it to them.

Trillo

(9,154 posts)
28. May your relationship with your 17-year old be healed.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 07:04 PM
Nov 2012

If you can't figure out a way to heal that relationship, 17 years of age becomes 50 years of bitterness faster than you might think. May your feelings about your son find healing sooner rather than later.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
33. He's self medicating.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 08:57 AM
Nov 2012

He's in pain, is self medicating and yet you're blaming his friends' parents who smoke pot with him? I've got news for you, he'd be ingesting with or without the parents. There's something else going on here and I doubt your denial and scapegoating is a solution to the problem.

And just for the record, no, I don't think people should be ingesting anything mind-altering with under-aged persons.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
5. But think of the jobs that will be lost
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:31 PM
Nov 2012

because there will be fewer police needed, fewer jails, fewer probation officers. What will they do?

freethought

(2,461 posts)
6. I'll give my two cents.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:41 PM
Nov 2012

Could it be that in legalizing marijuana you take away its "forbidden" or illegal mystique that intrigues young kids in the first place. It's that quality that can draw teens and young adults to it, as they see it as being "cool". Take that quality away and it's no longer cool.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
12. I have another tin foil theory
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 02:15 PM
Nov 2012

If pot was legal, the demand for oxy would drop like a rock, and Big Pharma would lose a lot of money.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
30. +100. and the whole dysfunctional oppositional culture the PTB sell to youth as commodified
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:55 AM
Nov 2012

'rebellion'. it leads nowhere.

meti57b

(3,584 posts)
7. $100.00 "ticket" for less than an ounce?!
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 01:51 PM
Nov 2012

Hey, that $100.00 prolly doesn't cover the expenses of "ticketing" .... so why don't we just make it legal. ..... in my lifetime! I promise not to stop drinking beer!

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
11. My jury experience
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 02:11 PM
Nov 2012

I was summoned a couple years ago and the case that came up was a 19-yr-old Latina snagged for possession of 2 joints. When they asked if I had any opinions that might preclude me from being fair, I said, "I think prosecuting young people for simple possession is the biggest waste of my tax dollars I can think of, except the wars in the ME." I was excused and haven't been summoned since.

6502

(256 posts)
14. [SERIOUSLY]=> Nobody wants their kids to do weed...
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 02:36 PM
Nov 2012

... and you weeders who would support it are such a small minority that your numbers are statistically insignificant.
(That's a fancy way of saying you're not worth counting. You don't matter.)

NYC Liberal

(20,453 posts)
17. People don't want their kids smoking tobacco
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 03:01 PM
Nov 2012

but we don't throw people in jail for years with a permanent felony conviction on their record for it b

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
20. "You weeders"? Half the population supports legalization.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 03:19 PM
Nov 2012

Now, I'm gonna go get all weeded up on pot. Or is it potted up on weed? I'll have to ask Steve Doucey.

SomethingFishy

(4,876 posts)
25. [Seriously]=> You need to get a fucking grip...
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 05:01 PM
Nov 2012

We "WEEDERS" just voted in LEGAL WEED in Colorado.

Yes we voted. In Colorado. And Washington. And we won. But our numbers are too insignificant to be counted...

Tell me Mr 6502, how is it that we won a MAJORITY OF THE VOTE if our numbers are so "statistically insignificant"?

 

MrSlayer

(22,143 posts)
26. Wow. Just wow.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 05:18 PM
Nov 2012

Weeders "doing" weed.

You really have no idea why this sounds so ridiculous, do you?

uncle ray

(3,360 posts)
32. facts can be inconvenient.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 05:36 AM
Nov 2012

Amendment 64 passed in colorado with 55% of voters supporting it. just how popular is pot? Colorado Springs' Gazette recently had this to say: &quot Amendment 64) garnered more votes than any presidential, gubernatorial or U.S. Senate candidate has ever received in Colorado."

i believe that is what they call a mandate.

 

leftlibdem420

(256 posts)
16. I'm still not a decrim supporter, not even over the status quo.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 02:40 PM
Nov 2012

As long as one has to buy marijuana from hucksters and criminals, it will not solve the problem of marijuana being a gateway drug (as unlike alcohol and caffeine, one must purchase them from people who sell dangerous hard drugs) and marijuana being a tool for funding organized crime and other undesirable things. The legalization of marijuana and of other soft drugs and the creation of viable, above-ground networks of distribution and production are the only ways to solve these problems.

lark

(26,081 posts)
18. Decriminalizing pot is the answer
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 03:18 PM
Nov 2012

not making it corporately funded. Let the people grow it, take away the profit motive and the criminals will go away as well.

Of course, I'd be OK buying it at the corner store too, maybe government won't fight it so hard if they get a piece of it too?

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
22. Not so sure. I prefer some form of control on my controled substances.
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 03:43 PM
Nov 2012

At least some kind of regulation for pesticides etc. This is my biggest gripe with street mj - you never know if or how it has been treated.

As far a the idyllic scenario of the friendly neighborhood mj grower, how do long do you think that will last once the thugs and gangs find out how much money is to be made? Instead of hiding from law enforcement you will be hiding from criminals.

I say let the out of work tobacco farmers get to work!

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
29. You're joking right. Look how much money disney makes, are they hiding from criminals?
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 03:31 AM
Nov 2012

People breaking into your business and stealing your stuff can happen, the difference is that if you're legal you can call the cops. They'll still try to rob you legal or not though.

geckosfeet

(9,644 posts)
36. I am not sure I get your point.
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 11:36 AM
Nov 2012

There are a lot people making money off of pirated video and music. But Disney is a huge corporate enterprise. I don't see how that compares with small growers. And I don't see how public safety can be protected without some kind of regulation.

Sirveri

(4,517 posts)
37. Theft is a reality for all businesses, legal or not, that means it's not a variable in the equation.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 06:25 AM
Nov 2012

Would people be more likely to steal from a business because it's legal when it previously was not... Probably not, and when they're legal they can at least get some support from Law Enforcement.

Thieves will steal stuff, the legality of the business they're robbing doesn't factor too much into the equation. Shoplift pot from the pot store, shoplift clothing from the clothing store, either way it'll happen.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
35. You need to google Amendment #64
Tue Nov 27, 2012, 09:03 AM
Nov 2012

in Colorado. The amendment lays out how MJ can be produced/distributed & sold. It's not just a "here it's legal now - do as you will". They have modeled it after alcohol laws, and have steps to set up the bureaucracy for licensing, taxing, etc.

slampoet

(5,032 posts)
38. A lot of these prevented arrests would have been for youths selling to adults.
Wed Nov 28, 2012, 08:25 AM
Nov 2012

People seem to forget that a LOT of kids get into dealing pot because there is a large amount of adults who buy it from them.

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