Hamas Rejects Ceasefire

[TheProle]

Hamas rejected the latest ceasefire proposal on Monday, according to senior officials in the terror organization as reported by multiple news outlets.

“We reject the latest Israeli proposals that the Egyptian side informed us of. The politburo met today and decided this,” Ali Baraka, who is responsible for the Hamas’s foreign relations, told Reuters.

Another Hamas official, Mahmoud Mardawi, told the same to the Quds News Network on Monday.

Earlier on Monday, another Hamas official, whom Reuters didn’t name, told the news agency that “there is no change in the position of the occupation [Israel] and therefore, there is nothing new in the Cairo talks,” and that “there is no progress yet.”

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/hamas-says-gaza-truce-talks-remain-deadlocked-despite-reports-progress-2024-04-08/

[TheKentuckian]

1. Okay, well, bye then. Forever.

[TwilightZone]

2. I'm sure this is somehow Biden's fault.

Yes, I'm being sarcastic. He can put pressure on Israel, certainly, (and has) but do we also expect him to be able to sway or control the decisions made by a terrorist organization? Seems a tad unrealistic.

[speak easy]

11. I think you forgot

Joe Biden is also the Commander In Chief of Hamas, Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad and Iran.

[jimfields33]

3. Now everyone should remember and stop blaming Israel.

Israel was ready to have a ceasefire but humas said NO!!!!!!!

[Mossfern]

5. Somehow someone

will blame Israel for this in someway.

[jimfields33]

6. Frustrating!

[DemocraticPatriot]

18. HAMAS is WRONG, and Israel is RIGHT--- in this instance.

Credit where credit is due....

It seems that Hamas will not 'give peace a chance' either, when the ball was in their court---
but I have never been any fan of them. I only weep for the Palestinian people who will pay the price

[Cha]

29. Yes.. HAMAS Does Not Give a SHIT About the Palestinian People.

Where are the Protestors out in the Streets Against them?!

Too busy Attacking Jewish Students and Businesses.

[EX500rider]

4. "We are ready to the fight to the last of our citizens while we hide out in Qatar!"

[maxsolomon]

7. They are still demanding that Israel end the war:

...a Palestinian official close to mediation efforts told Reuters that deadlock continued over Israel's refusal to end the war, withdraw forces from Gaza, allow all civilians to return to their homes and lift a 17-year-old blockade to allow speedy reconstruction of the coastal enclave.
These steps took precedence over Israel's prime demand for a release of hostages in exchange for Palestinians held in Israeli prisons, said the official, speaking on condition of anonymity.
"Regarding the exchange of prisoners, Hamas was and is willing to be more flexible, but there is no flexibility over our...main demands," he said.

They don't want a ceasefire. They want an armistice. They want to remain in control.

[Xolodno]

14. Of course.

All other options mean they lose control of Gaza and, although not right away, but the Palestinian Authority retakes control. In fact, the PA is already preparing for that eventuality. And given how they were burned by Hamas before, they won't make the same mistake twice. They will be outlawed along with any other violent groups.

It may plunge them into a sort of civil war, but the PA will get all the arms, resources, etc. this time around to defeat them. And Hamas knows that as well.

The hostages are literally their last bargaining chip after a very bad gamble. Irony, both Bibi and Hamas never wanted the PA to be viable, but in their hubris, they severely miscalculated.

[Mossfern]

8. Will there be marches of tens of thousands of people

demanding a cease fire from Hamas?
I doubt it.
There must have been so many pro-Palestinian protesters duped into supporting Hamas.
I wonder if they've realized that.

[Silent3]

9. By being the more reasonable party of the two, Israel is who people look to for a cease-fire

No one expects Hamas to ever be reasonable, so, fairly or not, that puts the pressure to occasionally be reasonable on Israel.

[Mossfern]

10. So then

reward for bad behavior.
I don't think that's ever been a good strategy.

[TheKentuckian]

16. And "reasonable" is defined as whatever Hamas demands?

There seems to be no other definition on offer and that isn't reasonable.

Israel already was reasonable and agreed to a ceasefire that Hamas broke and has presented and accepted multiple proposals.

The calls for ceasefires are irrational and also damn dishonest because Hamas firing is fine and dandy by the howlers so motherfuck a ceasefire.

It is appropriate and perfectly reasonable for the raping, murdering, mutilating hostage takers to surrender unconditionally or the war should and must continue until they do or are utterly defeated.

[Silent3]

17. I'm not arguing against how horrible Hamas is, what I'm saying is who is going to organize an anti-Hamas rally?

There are anti-Israel protests because people believe there’s a glimmer of a chance a protest might make a difference.

But no one, no matter how much they despise Hamas, is going to waste their time holding an anti-Hamas rally. Everyone knows that, at the very least, that won’t make a whit of difference, and worse, might only encourage Hamas, who would bask in the criticism.

The point is you can’t look at all of the protests going on and decide people, overall, must be more anti-Israeli and more pro-Hamas because practically no one is protesting against Hamas.

[DemocraticPatriot]

19. The HAMAS military is a terrorist group, not a government....

and are thus by definition immune to 'protest'.

Our only hope for reason is with the Israeli government.

I agree with your points.

[TheKentuckian]

20. I didn't mention a rally but motherfuck a pro Hama/Jew haring mob

[Silent3]

21. The same dynamic applies, however

Whether it's antisemitic trash like you're describing, or people with a legitimate beef purely against Israeli policies and assholes like Netanyahu, you're not going to find counter-balancing anti-Hamas protests (or mobs) because anyone who is anti-Hamas isn't going to waste their time that way.

You can't read into this situation that there's more support for Hamas than for Israel, and you can't sensibly counter these protests with, "Why don't you get out there and demand Hamas ceases fire!?"

It's ironically a back-handed compliment (even from the those who are viciously antisemitic, and who intend nothing positive) that Israeli is at least counted as someone who might listen, who might feel shame or remorse. Hamas in written off as impossibly unreachable and uncaring.

[TheKentuckian]

23. I only can read it as hatred and opportunism to Israel and that in FAVOR

of the retrograde trash because that is exactly the dynamic.

It is crystal clear and no amount of spin or gaslighting can make up be down. Gravity is still in effect.

[Silent3]

26. Read it as you like, but I'm not sure you understand the laws of "gravity"

How about you spell out what you think people — all people, specific people — should be doing and saying regarding Israel and Hamas.

I think we can agree without it needing to be said that clearly antisemitic mobs are trash. People who harass anyone who is Jewish as if they are responsible for Israeli policy are trash. But then again, like Hamas, trash will be trash and probably not much any we say will reform such people.

Beyond that, what are you expecting and/or hoping for? The same people who are protesting against Israel to switch to protesting against Hamas instead? To protest against Israel and Hamas in equal measure?

Are you expecting people who aren’t protesting publicly right now, but who are more quietly assigning the lion’s share of the blame for the current Palestinian conflict to Hamas, to get out there in the streets and do some loud and angry anti-Hamas protesting?

[LeftInTX]

22. One time Hamas kidnapped an Israeli soldier. They had him for four years.

Then, Israel agreed to exchange 1,000 Palestinian prisoners for their one hostage. (Go figure. I think it's stupid)
Yahya Sinwar was one of the prisoners that Israel released. Anyway, Hamas thinks that they're going to get 1,000 prisoners released for each hostage.

[Cha]

25. Yeah, Will they get their fucking Priorities Straight and

demand a Cease Fire from HAMAS?!

They didn't the last time on December 20, 2023 that Israel Offered an Humanitarian CeaseFire.

LcabdkeL

[sarisataka]

12. So Israel hasn't offered to surrender?

The US is putting pressure on Israel; who is pressuring Hamas to accept peace?

[maxsolomon]

15. One presumes Qatar, Jordan, Egypt.

But the only party with juice is Iran.

[Cha]

24. Wonder how the Palestinians Feel ABout this

latest Dictum from the Senior Official of the Hamas Propaganda Machine.

[rictofen]

27. Morning kick

[Cha]

28. Thank You!

[Cha]

30. Kick TY