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Jilly_in_VA

(14,371 posts)
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 04:54 PM Apr 2024

Videos show Chicago police fired nearly 100 shots over 41 seconds during fatal traffic stop

Plainclothes Chicago police officers fired nearly 100 gunshots over 41 seconds during a traffic stop that left one man dead and one officer injured, according to graphic video footage a police oversight agency released Tuesday.

Five officers from a tactical unit who were in an unmarked police vehicle surrounded an SUV last month driven by Dexter Reed, allegedly for failing to wear a seatbelt. Video shows the 26-year-old Black man briefly lowering a window and then raising it and refusing to exit the vehicle as more officers arrived, yelled commands and drew weapons.

The Civilian Office of Police Accountability said preliminary evidence showed Reed fired first, injuring an officer in the Humboldt Park neighborhood on the city’s West Side. Then four officers returned fire, shooting 96 rounds.

The gunshots continued even after “Reed exited his vehicle and fell to the ground,” COPA said in releasing the body-worn camera footage, 911 calls and police reports.

https://apnews.com/article/dexter-reed-chicago-police-shooting-0529419b830040e41bff495f1b8f0313

I wasn't aware that failure to wear a seatbelt was a capital offense.

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Videos show Chicago police fired nearly 100 shots over 41 seconds during fatal traffic stop (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Apr 2024 OP
"I wasn't aware that failure to wear a seatbelt was a capital offense." It's not EX500rider Apr 2024 #1
They didn't shoot him because he didn't wear a seatbelt. Ace Rothstein Apr 2024 #2
Money is on the line. Frasier Balzov Apr 2024 #5
Pro tip- if pulled over for not wearing a seat belt sarisataka Apr 2024 #3
Many angles from body worn cameras available here. Frasier Balzov Apr 2024 #4
I watched one of the videos there TexasDem69 Apr 2024 #13
Wearing a seatbelt is not a capital offense, but I'm guessing shooting at officers might be? Chakaconcarne Apr 2024 #6
I Wasn't Aware... ProfessorGAC Apr 2024 #7
Officers will continue to shoot until the threat is unable to respond EX500rider Apr 2024 #8
How Do They Know When That Is? ProfessorGAC Apr 2024 #9
And the same it applies to anyone saying it it's too many EX500rider Apr 2024 #11
What was the appropriate number sarisataka Apr 2024 #10
None ProfessorGAC Apr 2024 #18
How about don't break the law and you won't get pulled over EX500rider Apr 2024 #23
like this guy! do what you're told! ret5hd Apr 2024 #26
Bet your life on it? Easterncedar Apr 2024 #27
Actually as a general rule is absolutely correct EX500rider Apr 2024 #32
"The police arrest almost a million people a month" That is a disturbing stat in itself. Lochloosa Apr 2024 #101
actually gone down some since last time I looked EX500rider Apr 2024 #102
and this guy! you'll be ok! ret5hd Apr 2024 #28
Spelling error in your post title... Shipwack Apr 2024 #65
Having watched 100's of police dash cam & body cam footage on YouTube... EX500rider Apr 2024 #68
So they had no clue on his race but somehow knew he was not wearing a seatbelt? Celerity Apr 2024 #95
Did I say in most cases or did I say in this case? EX500rider Apr 2024 #99
We could discuss the validity of traffic stops sarisataka Apr 2024 #25
I'm going to venture to say that there were a few minutes (at least) omitted from the start Igel Apr 2024 #30
How many gunshots do you think are a proportionate response? TexasDem69 Apr 2024 #12
Less Than 19 Each ProfessorGAC Apr 2024 #14
I can't believe anyone is trying to blame the police TexasDem69 Apr 2024 #15
Quote Me Please ProfessorGAC Apr 2024 #19
Sorry, not trying to put words in your mouth TexasDem69 Apr 2024 #20
Well it really depends on when Reed last discharged his weapon. harumph Apr 2024 #24
With cops, if they give you 1, you're probably getting the whole magazine dumped at you. Like potato chips - can't eat 1 SoFlaBro Apr 2024 #29
Yes it turns out they are fond of going home alive EX500rider Apr 2024 #33
Lol, how many gunshots are they supposed to allow the guy to take? ExciteBike66 Apr 2024 #103
Don't shoot at cops? ripcord Apr 2024 #16
The guy decided to shoot at police officers rollin74 Apr 2024 #17
Thank goodness for the ninety-sixth shot or who knows what else he might have done. Torchlight Apr 2024 #21
If the preliminary evidence is correct that Reed fired first, then the main thing wrong here... Silent3 Apr 2024 #22
Maybe? TexasDem69 Apr 2024 #31
when? maybe when... ret5hd Apr 2024 #34
The one video I watched TexasDem69 Apr 2024 #35
Those cops must be ex-IDF ! DemocraticPatriot Apr 2024 #36
My first thought MorbidButterflyTat Apr 2024 #92
A pretextual stop started it all. FTP. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2024 #37
If you can write a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt then they have to stop you to write it EX500rider Apr 2024 #38
They don't, actually. Cops mail tickets all the time, such as for running a red light, which one could argue is much WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2024 #39
So what's the worry then about the stop, criminals might get caught? EX500rider Apr 2024 #40
It's a pretextual stop. Cops use them for speculative investigations, and they serve as a little Fourth Amendment WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2024 #41
Quite easy to avoid EX500rider Apr 2024 #45
Lol wearing your seatbelt doesn't prevent you from being pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt. That's the point. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2024 #48
Even if that was true EX500rider Apr 2024 #50
even if what were true WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2024 #52
Your supposition that they make up seat belt violations EX500rider Apr 2024 #53
They make up all sorts of things. That's the issue that -- WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2024 #60
Sure just link to a study showing the percentage of traffic stops that are made up violations EX500rider Apr 2024 #62
lol it's not quantified because it's legal. The system relies on it to do its work WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2024 #64
The system of arresting people with 5 outstanding warrants & illegal firearms who try to commit murder or another system EX500rider Apr 2024 #66
There were no warrants. He was on pretrial release and had been in court a few days before. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2024 #69
Someone else in the thread said he had warrants, what I found was: EX500rider Apr 2024 #71
They showed up in plainclothes in an unmarked car. For all he knew, they weren't cops. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2024 #76
Except for the blue flashing lights on the SUV & jackets that said POLICE? EX500rider Apr 2024 #77
Except for those. Whoever was trying to open the door was in total plainclothes. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2024 #82
A unmarked white SUV that has blue flashing lights EX500rider Apr 2024 #83
To bring it back home, my argument is that a man might still be alive and other people and their families might not have WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2024 #84
And mine is that if he hadn't tried to murder (and did wound one) officers, they wouldn't have shot back at him EX500rider Apr 2024 #85
I'd definitely like to see more about the stop. Makes no sense that an unmarked police care would stop someone for Silent Type Apr 2024 #79
It is true, we know that uponit7771 Apr 2024 #111
Sure, just link to a study showing how many traffic stops are for made up reasons..or it's just your opinion IMO EX500rider Apr 2024 #112
I noticed you left out the black people part, gas lighting is rude uponit7771 Apr 2024 #115
What "black people part"? EX500rider Apr 2024 #117
The part where black people are disproportionately racially profiled by police, you already know this uponit7771 Apr 2024 #118
BTW, You knew this before you started this context of post(link) uponit7771 Apr 2024 #116
Really, I knew about Chicago police policies? How exactly did I know & how would u know if i did? psychic? EX500rider Apr 2024 #119
You know about racial disparities in policing, convince me or yourself you don't know ...go ahead uponit7771 Apr 2024 #120
Oddly Ontheboundry Apr 2024 #78
So you didn't pull out a firearm & try to kill the officer...maybe that's a better way to go..huh EX500rider Apr 2024 #80
I should not have laughed at this Ontheboundry Apr 2024 #87
... A HERETIC I AM Apr 2024 #43
Something untrue in that statement you'd like to point out EX500rider Apr 2024 #44
A lot of people on here... DemocratInPa Apr 2024 #108
My skin color does not afford me to give the police in America the benefit of the doubt like this uponit7771 Apr 2024 #110
there was a time onethatcares Apr 2024 #42
They only do that for a felony stop EX500rider Apr 2024 #46
the words onethatcares Apr 2024 #47
Sounds like they have that backwards EX500rider Apr 2024 #51
This you? MorbidButterflyTat Apr 2024 #91
Pretty sure I said in most cases not all cases if you notice EX500rider Apr 2024 #98
police normally give those types of commands rollin74 Apr 2024 #49
ok, I give up onethatcares Apr 2024 #54
I don't know that they were rollin74 Apr 2024 #59
from the OP onethatcares Apr 2024 #73
Somehow your post left out kacekwl Apr 2024 #55
Are you sure one officer fired 50 rounds EX500rider Apr 2024 #56
Thats what was kacekwl Apr 2024 #61
Seems unlikely that one officer did that many reloads, I'll see when the cam footage gets made into a coherent vid EX500rider Apr 2024 #67
I did a breakdown from the bodycam footage further down in the thread, post#109, nobody fired even close to 50 rounds EX500rider Apr 2024 #121
in one of the videos I watched an officer told... rollin74 Apr 2024 #63
"I wasn't aware that failure to wear a seatbelt was a capital offense." Aparently if one is black, it is ... marble falls Apr 2024 #57
Perhaps you should watch the video? EX500rider Apr 2024 #74
The cop looks like a thug in the image I saw ecstatic Apr 2024 #89
Three or four of the officers in the video are wearing vests that say police or jackets that say police EX500rider Apr 2024 #90
"99% of what cops say after murdering someone is a lie." Jedi Guy Apr 2024 #93
It's not. ForgedCrank Apr 2024 #58
I understand the dead man shot first but I feel the number of shots does reveal NoSheep Apr 2024 #70
How many shots would have been acceptable? sarisataka Apr 2024 #72
"how zealous they were to kill" More like very zealous not to get killed EX500rider Apr 2024 #75
They were just taking traffic safety seriously. Chainfire Apr 2024 #81
Scarred enid602 Apr 2024 #86
"How do you explain this to your kids?" Jedi Guy Apr 2024 #94
If no bystanders were killed it's a friggin miracle. MorbidButterflyTat Apr 2024 #97
That's so unfair. Terrible ecstatic Apr 2024 #88
This is disgusting MorbidButterflyTat Apr 2024 #96
JFC DemocratInPa Apr 2024 #104
Where are you getting that he fired 11 shots? asm128 Apr 2024 #106
There are videos out there.. DemocratInPa Apr 2024 #107
Reed's family and others are questioning police version of shooting. sop Apr 2024 #100
+1, my skin color doesn't afford me to give the cops the benefit of the doubt uponit7771 Apr 2024 #114
Seatbelts maryland native Apr 2024 #105
Here's every officers body cams EX500rider Apr 2024 #109
It is quite easy to tell sarisataka Apr 2024 #113
Like the flashing blue lights on the police explorer or the POLICE tac vests or jackets 4 of them were wearing EX500rider Apr 2024 #122

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
1. "I wasn't aware that failure to wear a seatbelt was a capital offense." It's not
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 04:58 PM
Apr 2024

It can get you pulled over as in this case and then if you pull a gun and fire at the police as in this case they will shoot back, turns out trying to actively kill the police will not just subject you to getting a ticket but return fire.

Ace Rothstein

(3,373 posts)
2. They didn't shoot him because he didn't wear a seatbelt.
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 05:00 PM
Apr 2024

Although an excessive number of shots were fired, they were fired because he shot at the cops first. Why the dishonest statement about being shot over a seatbelt?

sarisataka

(22,695 posts)
3. Pro tip- if pulled over for not wearing a seat belt
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 05:05 PM
Apr 2024

don't start shooting at police. They will shoot back.

 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
13. I watched one of the videos there
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 06:53 PM
Apr 2024

Be warned they are graphic (at least the one I watched was)

ProfessorGAC

(76,706 posts)
7. I Wasn't Aware...
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 05:56 PM
Apr 2024

...that cops could decide sentences for the court, either.
There is no clearer description of disproportionate response than 5 cops firing 96 rounds over one gunshot. (Assuming for a second thar Reed truly did fire first.)
Also, 5 tac officers pulling a guy over for a seatbelt violation? What the heck is that?

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
8. Officers will continue to shoot until the threat is unable to respond
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 05:59 PM
Apr 2024

If you shoot someone twice and then they turn and put a bullet through your head you messed up.

ProfessorGAC

(76,706 posts)
9. How Do They Know When That Is?
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 06:05 PM
Apr 2024

They don't.
What you offer seems a weak excuse, not a good reason.

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
11. And the same it applies to anyone saying it it's too many
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 06:11 PM
Apr 2024

How do you know that?
Many people dying of mortal wounds can still pull the trigger.

ProfessorGAC

(76,706 posts)
18. None
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 07:17 PM
Apr 2024

First, don't have a tac team pulling people over for traffic violations.
No traffic stop, no confrontation.
I'm not excusing the guy making the first move. But, there's no first move with no stop.
Second, if they always feel like they should be ready for a full response because of fear for their own safety, setting up situations where they may be afraid is inherently counterproductive.
Finally, as stats show police deaths and injury makes them well down the list of dangerous jobs, taking the same approach of minimizing risk instead of maximizing response seems the most logical solution. Quit creating situations that risk their own safety.
If we find out there was a kidnapping victim in the trunk, I would likely change my view.
But, the disproportionate response started when an tac team pulled someone over for a seatbelt failure.

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
23. How about don't break the law and you won't get pulled over
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 07:57 PM
Apr 2024

And then don't shoot at the police and they won't shoot at you.
Seems like the police were correct to be worried about their safety during this stop

Easterncedar

(6,267 posts)
27. Bet your life on it?
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 08:35 PM
Apr 2024

“ don't shoot at the police and they won't shoot at you.”

Not wanting to argue about this particular case, but as a general rule, I don’t think that’s a reliably true statement.

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
32. Actually as a general rule is absolutely correct
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 10:02 PM
Apr 2024

The police arrest almost a million people a month are you saying most of them get shot at for no reason or do most of them end up safely in jail with no bullet wounds?

Lochloosa

(16,735 posts)
101. "The police arrest almost a million people a month" That is a disturbing stat in itself.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 09:03 AM
Apr 2024

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
102. actually gone down some since last time I looked
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 09:16 AM
Apr 2024

In 2022 it was around 600,000 a month.

But that's out of 333,000,000 people.

Shipwack

(3,065 posts)
65. Spelling error in your post title...
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 01:11 PM
Apr 2024
23. How about don't break the lawdrive while being black and you won't get pulled over


Fixed it for you.

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
68. Having watched 100's of police dash cam & body cam footage on YouTube...
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 01:31 PM
Apr 2024

....in most cases the officer has no idea the race of the person till they get up to the window.

Have a legal car & obey the traffic regulations is the best way not to get pulled over.

Celerity

(54,408 posts)
95. So they had no clue on his race but somehow knew he was not wearing a seatbelt?
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 10:27 PM
Apr 2024

In theory it is possible, but my cop bullshit detector is starting to twitch.

sarisataka

(22,695 posts)
25. We could discuss the validity of traffic stops
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 08:28 PM
Apr 2024

But let's go from where your objection began-
"There is no clearer description of disproportionate response than 5 cops firing 96 rounds over one gunshot"

The stop had occurred and the suspect fired, something the civilian oversight board agrees. How many shots should the police have fired?

Igel

(37,535 posts)
30. I'm going to venture to say that there were a few minutes (at least) omitted from the start
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 08:48 PM
Apr 2024

of the video.

Don't know what, but the start already shows a fair amount of escalation

 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
15. I can't believe anyone is trying to blame the police
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 07:01 PM
Apr 2024

For shooting back at someone who shot first. There’s no proportionality rule in a situation where someone tries to kill you.

ProfessorGAC

(76,706 posts)
19. Quote Me Please
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 07:22 PM
Apr 2024

If you're going to accuse me of having an opinion, please show where I'm blaming them.
The guy could have started it, but 95 shots from 5 guys is my issue.
Not responding, but what I consider an overreaction.
As it's clear you can't have a two sided discussion without putting words in my mouth, there's no point in either of us continuing this.
I'm always willing to disagree, agreeably. Fabricating what I said makes this not one of those sort of exchanges.

 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
20. Sorry, not trying to put words in your mouth
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 07:42 PM
Apr 2024

I just disagree that we can conclude the police overreacted because they fired X amount of shots.

harumph

(3,278 posts)
24. Well it really depends on when Reed last discharged his weapon.
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 08:26 PM
Apr 2024

If he he shot only once and they proceeded to empty their firearms, that is something a reasonable person will likely find excessive. I'm assuming more than a few rounds entered the vehicle cabin very quickly. Maybe fire 20 or so and then pause to assess if Reed is still reponding. Problem comes in with risking injury to non-involved parties/bystanders. Sounds like the cops just lost their shit.

SoFlaBro

(3,790 posts)
29. With cops, if they give you 1, you're probably getting the whole magazine dumped at you. Like potato chips - can't eat 1
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 08:42 PM
Apr 2024

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
33. Yes it turns out they are fond of going home alive
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 10:09 PM
Apr 2024

And you can shoot a person once and they still have tons of time to put a bullet between your eyes.

There are videos of suspects returning fire after being shot multiple times.

It's a case of too many is better than not enough.

ExciteBike66

(2,700 posts)
103. Lol, how many gunshots are they supposed to allow the guy to take?
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 09:26 AM
Apr 2024

Does he get three freebies before they can return fire?

rollin74

(2,301 posts)
17. The guy decided to shoot at police officers
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 07:16 PM
Apr 2024

the end result of his actions are neither surprising nor unjustified

Torchlight

(6,830 posts)
21. Thank goodness for the ninety-sixth shot or who knows what else he might have done.
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 07:47 PM
Apr 2024

And my suggestion to LEO is that if takes ninety-six, maybe try something a little bit more... efficient.

(that was sarcasm in case Statler or Waldorf are uyp to their old tricks)

 

Silent3

(15,909 posts)
22. If the preliminary evidence is correct that Reed fired first, then the main thing wrong here...
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 07:49 PM
Apr 2024

...is that the police are endangering too many other people, apart from the guy who pulled a gun on them, by raining down so much gunfire in response to a single shooter.

 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
31. Maybe?
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 09:56 PM
Apr 2024

But sounds like a lot of second guessing. I just don’t think it’s as easy as folks think. It seems defensible to say stop shooting when you’re sure the person who shot at you is incapacitated but not before. But if you’re one of the police in that situation how do you know when that is?

ret5hd

(22,502 posts)
34. when? maybe when...
Tue Apr 9, 2024, 10:13 PM
Apr 2024

they could add him to a pot of hamburger helper without using the meat grinder and when they could use the car to shred the extra cheese.

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
38. If you can write a ticket for not wearing a seatbelt then they have to stop you to write it
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 09:00 AM
Apr 2024

Or you could just wear your seatbelt and not carry guns and shoot at cops.

I have no problem with people who get stopped for minor violations and it turns out they have warrants or are wanted murderers or car thieves, oh no criminals got in trouble, the horror!
But they deserve to be free to continue living a life of crime!

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,955 posts)
39. They don't, actually. Cops mail tickets all the time, such as for running a red light, which one could argue is much
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 09:07 AM
Apr 2024

more dangerous to others than not wearing a seat belt.

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
40. So what's the worry then about the stop, criminals might get caught?
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 09:27 AM
Apr 2024

I don't understand the objection plus they need to write the ticket to the person not wearing the seat belt not the owner of the car.

The red light camera gets a picture of the person behind the wheel which you can argue in court if it's not you.

And if you have a licence, registration and insurance and are polite you'll most likely just get a warning.

Pull out a gun and start shooting and you're more likely to get terminal lead poisoning.

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,955 posts)
41. It's a pretextual stop. Cops use them for speculative investigations, and they serve as a little Fourth Amendment
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 09:34 AM
Apr 2024

loophole. They're applied disproportionately to Black people and create opportunities for heightened conflict, from greater mistrust in a community at best to killing people on the street at the worst.

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
45. Quite easy to avoid
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 10:16 AM
Apr 2024

Wear your seatbelt. have a unexpired registration, don't over tint your windows and don't commit any traffic infractions and you will not get pulled over

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,955 posts)
48. Lol wearing your seatbelt doesn't prevent you from being pulled over for not wearing a seatbelt. That's the point.
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 10:26 AM
Apr 2024

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
50. Even if that was true
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 11:02 AM
Apr 2024

How about don't have five warrants and carry an illegal firearm and then try to murder the police officer?

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,955 posts)
60. They make up all sorts of things. That's the issue that --
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 12:36 PM
Apr 2024

wait, I get it now. You're someone who believes cops don't lie?

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
62. Sure just link to a study showing the percentage of traffic stops that are made up violations
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 12:42 PM
Apr 2024

Otherwise it is just supposition.

Wait I get it now you're one of those people that think the cops are the bad guys and the criminals are just poor little lambs being picked on

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
66. The system of arresting people with 5 outstanding warrants & illegal firearms who try to commit murder or another system
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 01:26 PM
Apr 2024

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,955 posts)
69. There were no warrants. He was on pretrial release and had been in court a few days before.
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 01:49 PM
Apr 2024

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
71. Someone else in the thread said he had warrants, what I found was:
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 02:08 PM
Apr 2024
He was facing several gun-related charges that were pending when he was killed.
https://blockclubchicago.org/2024/04/09/police-shot-at-dexter-reed-96-times-in-41-seconds-during-deadly-shootout-watchdog-graphic-video/

Seems like getting a ticket for the seatbelt was a better idea but I guess he was afraid they would search him and find the gun & he would get more charges. Still seems better then initiating a shootout with multiple officers to me.

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
77. Except for the blue flashing lights on the SUV & jackets that said POLICE?
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 03:39 PM
Apr 2024

Plainly visible on the video

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,955 posts)
82. Except for those. Whoever was trying to open the door was in total plainclothes.
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 03:55 PM
Apr 2024

So taking this all at face value, we've got a so-called tactical unit, in plainclothes and an unmarked car, pulling people over so they can ticket seat-belt violators.

v

As I say, FTP.

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
83. A unmarked white SUV that has blue flashing lights
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 04:06 PM
Apr 2024

Is the argument here he really didn't know they were the police? Then why did he pull over?

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,955 posts)
84. To bring it back home, my argument is that a man might still be alive and other people and their families might not have
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 04:09 PM
Apr 2024

to come to terms with themselves as killers if this tactical unit hadn't decided to make a pretextual stop.

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
85. And mine is that if he hadn't tried to murder (and did wound one) officers, they wouldn't have shot back at him
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 04:11 PM
Apr 2024
 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
79. I'd definitely like to see more about the stop. Makes no sense that an unmarked police care would stop someone for
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 03:43 PM
Apr 2024

a seat belt violation, unless they were just wanting to harass some poor guy. Now if they stopped him for something else that is legitimate, there might be some explanation besides the obvious.

The number of shots fired is outrageous, especially in an area like that. But I can see a bunch of psyched up police cutting loose. Hope they are disciplined just for that.

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
112. Sure, just link to a study showing how many traffic stops are for made up reasons..or it's just your opinion IMO
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 03:24 PM
Apr 2024

Not saying it does not happen ever but to say it is common will require some proof

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
118. The part where black people are disproportionately racially profiled by police, you already know this
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 03:33 PM
Apr 2024

And no, please cannot tell who's driving the car by running license plates

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
119. Really, I knew about Chicago police policies? How exactly did I know & how would u know if i did? psychic?
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 03:34 PM
Apr 2024

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
120. You know about racial disparities in policing, convince me or yourself you don't know ...go ahead
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 03:36 PM
Apr 2024

Ontheboundry

(306 posts)
78. Oddly
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 03:41 PM
Apr 2024

I have. Two way dashcam. I got pulled over by Tennessee hwp. I had a black hoodie on, and as he drove by he said he couldn't see a seat-belt. I actually believed him. As he wrote the the ticket, I showed him the video and he ripped it up and sent me on my way.

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
80. So you didn't pull out a firearm & try to kill the officer...maybe that's a better way to go..huh
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 03:47 PM
Apr 2024

Ontheboundry

(306 posts)
87. I should not have laughed at this
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 07:03 PM
Apr 2024

But I did. And I'm not white and this was super Appalachia area (I'm from this area also, so I have the accent ). I even admitted I could see the mistake he made

A HERETIC I AM

(24,876 posts)
43. ...
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 10:06 AM
Apr 2024
And if you have a licence, (sic) registration and insurance and are polite you'll most likely just get a warning.

Pull out a gun and start shooting and you're more likely to get terminal lead poisoning.




uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
110. My skin color does not afford me to give the police in America the benefit of the doubt like this
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 03:20 PM
Apr 2024

onethatcares

(16,992 posts)
42. there was a time
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 10:02 AM
Apr 2024

In Sister MaryUglies 4th grade class we were taught that only repressive regimes like those in Russian communist countries would have GBU and KGB agents pull up next to a person in unmarked vans while wearing face coverings to conceal their identities. My how times have changed.

The number of shots really isn't the problem here, I wonder why they didn't use that bullhorn thingy to say, "Driver, place your hands out the window and open the door with your left (or right) hand. Driver exit the vehicle and place your hands on the roof of the vehicle, driver walk backwards to the sound of my voice"

Jeez, there were 5 leos in the van,

I don't know, I really don't but that's just my thoughts

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
46. They only do that for a felony stop
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 10:17 AM
Apr 2024

This was supposed to be a ticket for a seatbelt violation I'm guessing he had warrants

onethatcares

(16,992 posts)
47. the words
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 10:25 AM
Apr 2024

"During a traffic stop for felony warrants 5 Chicago police officers fired a total of 96 bullets when it was discovered the driver was not wearing a seapbelt as prescribed by Illinois law"

Now that makes sense in all ways.

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
51. Sounds like they have that backwards
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 11:06 AM
Apr 2024

They wouldn't pull you over on a felony warrant stop for the seatbelt, they will pull you over for the warrants, more likely they discovered the warrants after they pulled him over

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,512 posts)
91. This you?
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 09:45 PM
Apr 2024

EX500rider (10,737 posts)

68. Having watched 100's of police dash cam & body cam footage on YouTube...

....in most cases the officer has no idea the race of the person till they get up to the window.


They don't know the person's race, but they know he has warrants?

rollin74

(2,301 posts)
49. police normally give those types of commands
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 10:27 AM
Apr 2024

during felony or “high risk” traffic stops. It sounds like this stop was for a minor violation.

Unfortunately, the driver turned out to be armed and then proceeded to fire at officers.

onethatcares

(16,992 posts)
54. ok, I give up
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 11:36 AM
Apr 2024

5 leos in an unmarked vehicle pull a person over for a minor violation. the driver turns out to be a criminal with a gun and he starts shooting so they return fire. Makes perfectly good sense to me now.

Why are 5 undercover officers of the law riding around in one vehicle looking for traffic violations? I don't get that part of it but then again

rollin74

(2,301 posts)
59. I don't know that they were
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 12:14 PM
Apr 2024

“riding around looking for traffic violations”

I am also unaware of any limit on how many officers are allowed to ride in one vehicle. My guess is that there is no such limitation.

onethatcares

(16,992 posts)
73. from the OP
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 02:38 PM
Apr 2024

"Five officers from a tactical unit who were in an unmarked police vehicle surrounded an SUV last month driven by Dexter Reed, allegedly for failing to wear a seatbelt. Video shows the 26-year-old Black man briefly lowering a window and then raising it and refusing to exit the vehicle as more officers arrived, yelled commands and drew weapons. "

My hope is that the leos were wearing their seatbelts too.

kacekwl

(9,147 posts)
55. Somehow your post left out
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 11:40 AM
Apr 2024

the offender shot 1st at the police. Obviously an honest mistake. This was a totally justified shooting in my opinion. The police officer who fired 50 some shots himself needs to be retrained and put on desk duty until he can control himself. It doesn't matter why he was stopped. I've been stopped for no seat belt but my windows were not tinted and did not have a gun I was willing to use so I got a warning and got home just fine.

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
56. Are you sure one officer fired 50 rounds
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 11:43 AM
Apr 2024

You're saying he did up to four magazine reloads during the shoot?

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
67. Seems unlikely that one officer did that many reloads, I'll see when the cam footage gets made into a coherent vid
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 01:28 PM
Apr 2024

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
121. I did a breakdown from the bodycam footage further down in the thread, post#109, nobody fired even close to 50 rounds
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 04:14 PM
Apr 2024

As far as I could tell:

Looks like:
Officer 1- fires a few rounds, maybe 7 to 9 (little hard to say though because his gun is out of frame most the time)
Officer 2- 17r, 1 reload, no shots out of the reload
Officer 3-17r, 1 reload then 9r out of the fresh mag for 26r total
Officer 4- 17r, 1 reload, no shots out of reload
Officer 5- gets shot, fires 0

rollin74

(2,301 posts)
63. in one of the videos I watched an officer told...
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 12:50 PM
Apr 2024

a supervisor “all of us were shooting”

marble falls

(71,926 posts)
57. "I wasn't aware that failure to wear a seatbelt was a capital offense." Aparently if one is black, it is ...
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 11:56 AM
Apr 2024

... IF I were armed and a random car forced a stop on me with six screaming maniacs not dressed as law enforcement, not identifing themselves as law enforcement, trying to force my doors open, pointing weapons at me - I'd be shooting back. I will bet the cops in their adrenaline pumped excitement fired first.

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
74. Perhaps you should watch the video?
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 02:52 PM
Apr 2024
"... and a random car" You mean white police SUV with blue flashing lights?


"not dressed as law enforcement" You mean except for the plainly visible jackets some had on with POLICE on them?

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
89. The cop looks like a thug in the image I saw
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 07:27 PM
Apr 2024

Wearing a baseball cap, pointing a gun. Are you kidding?

99% of what cops say after murdering someone is a lie.

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
90. Three or four of the officers in the video are wearing vests that say police or jackets that say police
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 08:26 PM
Apr 2024

The SUV was a typical Ford Explorer with a spotlight and flashing blue lights, he knew they were cops

Jedi Guy

(3,477 posts)
93. "99% of what cops say after murdering someone is a lie."
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 10:10 PM
Apr 2024

98% of statistics on the internet are made up.

Less flippantly, surely you can cite some actual, real statistics to back up that claim, right? It is, after all, a pretty extraordinary claim. I'm sure you wouldn't make such a claim without having solid evidence to back it up.

ForgedCrank

(3,096 posts)
58. It's not.
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 12:06 PM
Apr 2024

"I wasn't aware that failure to wear a seatbelt was a capital offense."

It's not.
This person was on pretrial release already for a felony gun charge. He was pulled over for a seat belt violation, and due to his history, it was a high risk stop. Then, the genius decided to pull a gun out. This tends to make the police pretty nervous, especially if you have a history of being a felon with firearm charges. It is also said that he fired at the police before they started shooting at him, but I don't think that final fact is verified or not.

NoSheep

(8,343 posts)
70. I understand the dead man shot first but I feel the number of shots does reveal
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 02:05 PM
Apr 2024

how zealous they were to kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill
kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill and that is a very real problem.

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
75. "how zealous they were to kill" More like very zealous not to get killed
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 02:58 PM
Apr 2024

They keep returning fire till the armed assailant is unable to return fire, when that is is very hard to determine during a gunfight, so more rounds and you live is better then less rounds and the subject put a round through your head as he was bleeding out

enid602

(9,686 posts)
86. Scarred
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 04:29 PM
Apr 2024

I’d hate to be the parents living in the house in front of the shootout. How do you explain this to your kids?

Jedi Guy

(3,477 posts)
94. "How do you explain this to your kids?"
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 10:14 PM
Apr 2024

"You see, children, if you get pulled over by the police, it's generally inadvisable to pull out a gun and start shooting at them. If you do that, odds are very good you're going to get shot."

Pretty easy to explain, as it turns out. Weird.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,512 posts)
97. If no bystanders were killed it's a friggin miracle.
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 10:51 PM
Apr 2024

Not just the kids will be scarred. Who wouldn't be? Just reading about crap like this over and over makes me sick. Obviously some cops feel entitled t o murder whoever suits them then claim, he shot first.

George Floyd's murder's been forgotten apparently. Cuz cops always tell the truth.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
88. That's so unfair. Terrible
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 07:19 PM
Apr 2024

Plainclothes cops should not be allowed to accost people and expect obedience. Disgusting.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,512 posts)
96. This is disgusting
Wed Apr 10, 2024, 10:29 PM
Apr 2024

But I'm sure the officers were terrified and it was only luck that five of them were able to take him out. Poor babies!



 

DemocratInPa

(743 posts)
104. JFC
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 09:32 AM
Apr 2024

He fired 11 times at officers.. What do you want them to do, get killed?

Why do we hate the police so much? Seriously.. Are we now rooting for criminal to win?

asm128

(245 posts)
106. Where are you getting that he fired 11 shots?
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 10:25 AM
Apr 2024

The articles posted say nothing like that. Further, there is a question of whether he shot first. And just because the police say he "shot first" definitely doesn't make it true.

 

DemocratInPa

(743 posts)
107. There are videos out there..
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 02:21 PM
Apr 2024

He def 100% shot first.. Please stop this narrative that the police are ALWAYS in the wrong.

sop

(18,621 posts)
100. Reed's family and others are questioning police version of shooting.
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 08:29 AM
Apr 2024

Last edited Thu Apr 11, 2024, 09:01 AM - Edit history (1)

"Body cam footage released Tuesday of a traffic stop in Chicago gone horrifically wrong is calling into question the official story told by police on the scene. Five plainclothed Chicago police swarmed 26-year-old Dexter Reed’s car on March 21, pumping 96 shots into his vehicle after Reed apparently fired at officers. However, the officers’ body cam footage tells a very confusing story."

"For instance, why did it take five plainclothed officers in tactical vests with guns drawn jumping out of an unmarked car to swarm a vehicle for a seatbelt violation? Why were officers shouting at Reed right from the start? Why did the officers from across the street feel the need to empty their weapons and then reload? And did Reed really shoot first? After reviewing the video, it’s unclear both to us and to other news outlets, like CNN. Reed’s family also find the entire situation confusing:"

https://jalopnik.com/police-fire-96-times-at-driver-after-pulling-him-over-f-1851400666

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/09/us/dexter-reed-chicago-police-shooting-video/index.html

maryland native

(53 posts)
105. Seatbelts
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 10:19 AM
Apr 2024

The body camera video is hard to watch but also revealing.

Note that in videos of the police chasing down the car, the officers in the police car are getting tossed about inside.

One is hanging on to the headrest in front of him.

You can clearly see that right front is NOT belted in.....

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
109. Here's every officers body cams
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 03:17 PM
Apr 2024
&rco=1

Little hard to tell but looks more like around 70 rounds fired?

Looks like:
Officer 1- fires a few rounds, maybe 7 to 9 (little hard to say though because his gun is out of frame most the time)
Officer 2- 17r, 1 reload, no shots out of the reload
Officer 3-17r, 1 reload then 9r out of the fresh mag for 26r total
Officer 4- 17r, 1 reload, no shots out of reload
Officer 5- gets shot, fires 0

sarisataka

(22,695 posts)
113. It is quite easy to tell
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 03:26 PM
Apr 2024

who has watched none of the bodycams. Many of the questions asked are clearly answered in the videos.

EX500rider

(12,583 posts)
122. Like the flashing blue lights on the police explorer or the POLICE tac vests or jackets 4 of them were wearing
Thu Apr 11, 2024, 05:23 PM
Apr 2024

Or why so many rounds were fired, they shot some, the car jerked forward, they fired some more, the car moved again, he got out and ran to the back of the car, they shot some more.
If he did not want them to keep shooting, throwing his gun out the window and putting both his hands out the window would have been a good start.

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